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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Sasuke wasn't always absolutely horrible to Sakura, you know. I will never deny that Sasuke has done very disgusting things to her, because he has. It's just that sometimes it seems that you people around here can't bring yourselves to acknowledge any good qualities or good things that Sasuke, or say Hinata, have done. Sasuke considered Sakura an important bond and was willing to sacrifice himself to save her (the fight against Gaara). Once he did compliment her without any gain to himself just because he noticed that she was feeling down (the beginning of the chuunin exam). There is no way around these. This is what happened. you may feel that his later actions have tainted this little goodness. That's fine but you can't still say that Sasuke always looked down on Sakura. That's simply not true. You will just make yourselves look silly because it is possible for anyone to go and actually read the manga, and the part one where Sasuke and Sakura have most of their interaction.

I know that with Sasuke, but at the same time, let's face it, he has, even early on, only thought of himself. Like when he didn't care about Sakura worrying her head off about him thanks to the Curse Mark Orochimaru put on him. After all, if he did, he would have resigned rather than just wanting to prove himself and validate his existence.

And I can acknowledge things about him that're good. I mean, after all, he's starting to realize the truth about Itachi, even if he still hates hte Leaf. Besides, it wasn't ever really confirmed if Sasuke only did that to get what he wanted, considering his ego, even back then. If he really was concerned, he mighta said something else, y'know? And it's not bias. It's just observations of his character.

[Haaky]

Something else I have noticed: you keep saying that NH has no development yet keep insisting that every single moment they interact is either fanservice, trolling or character, not pairing, development. How can you notice the hints to possible NH if you insist on dismissing them all?

I couldn't agree more on this. NH has gotten alot of development ever since Hinata confessed. Whilst NaruSaku development has been close to zero ever since Sakura
"confessed" and got saved from Sasuke by Naruto.

Edited by Haaky, 27 December 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I know that with Sasuke, but at the same time, let's face it, he has, even early on, only thought of himself. Like when he didn't care about Sakura worrying her head off about him thanks to the Curse Mark Orochimaru put on him. After all, if he did, he would have resigned rather than just wanting to prove himself and validate his existence.

And I can acknowledge things about him that're good. I mean, after all, he's starting to realize the truth about Itachi, even if he still hates hte Leaf. Besides, it wasn't ever really confirmed if Sasuke only did that to get what he wanted, considering his ego, even back then. If he really was concerned, he mighta said something else, y'know? And it's not bias. It's just observations of his character.

Yes. It is so very selfish to want to sacrifice oneself for your friends. Hinata and Sasuke, you selfish selfish children. Yes, Sasuke can be very self-centered and dismissive of others incl. Sakura but that doesn't invalidate all those instances where he behaved himself very well.

Said something else when?

[kirabook]

Hinata has had development until now, or rather, her character was reasserted over and over. We didn't really see her grow at all, she always seemed to have a 1 track mind and only cared about Naruto all throughout part 2. At least in this chapter she mentioned everyone else.

On the other hand, until the more recent chapters (and when Hinata sacrificed herself the first time), I don't believe there was any NH building at all (minus way back in part 1 during the chuunin exams, which was still just mostly Hinata) Other than this chapter, any other "NH" interactions continue to just be one sided Hinata. Now, if Kishi continues with chapters like this most recent one, then NH is definitely on the way to being built up and can have a more equal standing compared to NS.

Edited by kirabook, 27 December 2012 - 06:09 PM.

[Weltall]

Something else I have noticed: you keep saying that NH has no development yet keep insisting that every single moment they interact is either fanservice, trolling or character, not pairing, development. How can you notice the hints to possible NH if you insist on dismissing them all?

In any other stories I woud tell you the pairing is canon but this is Naruto and I'm used to Kishi's troll and bad writing.
About SS, altough the other 2 are awful SS takes the cake it was bad in part 1 it's even worse in part 2 and no matter how hard you try you won't convince me there's anything salvageable in this relationship it's abusive and makes no sense.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I couldn't agree more on this. NH has gotten alot of development ever since Hinata confessed. Whilst NaruSaku development has been close to zero ever since Sakura
"confessed" and got saved from Sasuke by Naruto.

Yeah. When is even the last time we actually saw Naruto think about Sakura in the manga when she wasn't around? It would, if I'm not badly mistaken, be somewhere when Naruto talked to his mother. Has he thought of her since? As in "Man, I miss Sakura!" Or something like that. They haven't been interacting, haven't really been thinking about each other. Couple that with ch 540 and the recent NH moments...

Weltall, I wouldn't even dream on trying to convince you. I know full well myself how problematic SS can be and understand if someone doesn't want to ship it. If someone says smt plainly not canon, I might correct them, but that's about it.

Kirabook, well, that's really it, isn't it? If the problem is lack of development, then the fix is simple development. If we lack Naruto-->Hinata, then Kishi must write moments where we see Naruto appreciating Hinata. Maybe this chapter 615 will be the start of that, like you said.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 27 December 2012 - 06:14 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Yeah. When is even the last time we actually saw Naruto think about Sakura in the manga when she wasn't around? It would, if I'm not badly mistaken, be somewhere when Naruto talked to his mother. Has he thought of her since? As in "Man, I miss Sakura!" Or something like that. They haven't been interacting, haven't really been thinking about each other. Couple that with ch 540 and the recent NH moments...

Why do we need to be reminded about his feelings for sakura? He already said it 100 times during the 470 chapters.

[kirabook]

In a normal world where people are able to remember things on a longer scale, it might not be needed to repeat a fact over and over, but with media like manga and tv shows and whatnot, the general public needs to be reminded of things constantly or it will fade into oblivion. Plenty of real life examples of such.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Why do we need to be reminded about his feelings for sakura? He already said it 100 times during the 470 chapters.

Because moments of Naruto thinking Sakura and his love for her give Kishi an opportunity to show the readers that Naruto hasn't moved on from Sakura.

[T XD]

Yeah. When is even the last time we actually saw Naruto think about Sakura in the manga when she wasn't around? It would, if I'm not badly mistaken, be somewhere when Naruto talked to his mother. Has he thought of her since? As in "Man, I miss Sakura!" Or something like that. They haven't been interacting, haven't really been thinking about each other. Couple that with ch 540 and the recent NH moments...

Weltall, I wouldn't even dream on trying to convince you. I know full well myself how problematic SS can be and understand if someone doesn't want to ship it. If someone says smt plainly not canon, I might correct them, but that's about it.

It doesn't have to be from Naruto to say " I love Sakura" all the time or thinking about her when he's beside her or away from her. That's not something to be called a reason.
We saw many times Naruto saying and showing his affection about Sakura. He doesn't need to make a melody from it.

[PhenixElite]

Because moments of Naruto thinking Sakura and his love for her give Kishi an opportunity to show the readers that Naruto hasn't moved on from Sakura.

Yeah but you also dont show a person changing the feeling offscreen right? So theres no need to remind as long as theres no sign of change.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Yeah but you also dont show a person changing the feeling offscreen right? So theres no need to remind as long as theres no sign of change.

Depends. If Kishi wants Naruto to move on from Sakura to Hinata, not mentioning Naruto's feelings for S for hundred plus chapters might be a good way to start that transition. He can always build on that.

[Weltall]

Because moments of Naruto thinking Sakura and his love for her give Kishi an opportunity to show the readers that Naruto hasn't moved on from Sakura.

Like Sakura ? not thinking about Sasuke during the majority of part 2 and then suddenly she loves him so much. It should be clear by now if someone changes his feelings it will be on panel.
Too much Naruto for me in one day, gonna take a rest.

[Haaky]

Yeah. When is even the last time we actually saw Naruto think about Sakura in the manga when she wasn't around? It would, if I'm not badly mistaken, be somewhere when Naruto talked to his mother. Has he thought of her since? As in "Man, I miss Sakura!" Or something like that. They haven't been interacting, haven't really been thinking about each other. Couple that with ch 540 and the recent NH moments...
I agree on this....

Weltall, I wouldn't even dream on trying to convince you. I know full well myself how problematic SS can be and understand if someone doesn't want to ship it. If someone says smt plainly not canon, I might correct them, but that's about it.

Kirabook, well, that's really it, isn't it? If the problem is lack of development, then the fix is simple development. If we lack Naruto-->Hinata, then Kishi must write moments where we see Naruto appreciating Hinata. Maybe this chapter 615 will be the start of that, like you said.

When it comes to SasuSaku I am going to be completely irrational and just say
"That would be stupid!" And that's kinda how much I would like to discuss SS. No matter what
happens at this point, SS would always be stupid in my heart.

Why do we need to be reminded about his feelings for sakura? He already said it 100 times during the 470 chapters.

We need to be reminded because he just grabbed Hinatas hand in a romantical way. That's why. And please don't even go saying, "Oh well, it wasn't romantical. He was just supporting a friend blah blah" Comon, please don't even go there. If it was Sakuras hand he grabbed you would be celibrating NaruSaku Cannon right now.

[PhenixElite]

When it comes to SasuSaku I am going to be completely irrational and just say
"That would be stupid!" And that's kinda how much I would like to discuss SS. No matter what
happens at this point, SS would always be stupid in my heart.



We need to be reminded because he just grabbed Hinatas hand in a romantical way. That's why. And please don't even go saying, "Oh well, it wasn't romantical. He was just supporting a friend blah blah" Comon, please don't even go there. If it was Sakuras hand he grabbed you would be celibrating NaruSaku Cannon right now.

Yeah maybe we need to be reminded now during this arc. But before that scene there was no need for it. So who says that there wont be such a reminder like in pain arc? We dont know it by now.
So no need to come to any rushed conclusions.

TO edit: Also if you dont like to hear it, but i havent seen any romantic sign from naruto, like blushing and co. If he took sakuras hand it would have been romantic, because hes already shown to be in love with her.

Edited by PhenixElite, 27 December 2012 - 06:39 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

It doesn't have to be from Naruto to say " I love Sakura" all the time or thinking about her when he's beside her or away from her. That's not something to be called a reason.
We saw many times Naruto saying and showing his affection about Sakura. He doesn't need to make a melody from it.

Exactly. Naruto's shown how he feels for Sakura plenty of times, and he knows why he loves her; because she's a lot like him. Even others have noticed this too when they don't want to; like Tenzo or Kakashi.

[T XD]

Exactly. Naruto's shown how he feels for Sakura plenty of times, and he knows why he loves her; because she's a lot like him. Even others have noticed this too when they don't want to; like Tenzo or Kakashi.

What I'm really surprised and upset about is that, you see people saying yesterday that Naruto loves Sakura which all the people who read the manga knows that.
Then a damn one chapter that comes the next day with Naruto holding the hand of Hinata, shift their mind to say " he probably has something for Hinata and he doesn't love Sakura anymore like the way he do" or " NH is canon", out of the blue.
This reaction of functioning that lead to this result that I'm seeing is

Edited by T XD, 27 December 2012 - 08:04 PM.

[Haaky]

What I'm really surprised and upset about is that, you see people saying yesterday that Naruto loves Sakura which all the people who read the manga knows that.
Then a damn one chapter that comes the next day with Naruto holding the hand of Hinata, shift their mind to say " he probably has something for Hinata and he doesn't love Sakura anymore like the way he do" or " NH is canon", out of the blue.
This reaction of functioning that lead to this result that I'm seeing is

Nothings Cannon before it's Cannon.
I am sitting here waiting for Sakura
to get all jealous.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Nothings Cannon before it's Cannon.
I am sitting here waiting for Sakura
to get all jealous.

I hope not i want hinata to jelly not sakura.

[T XD]

Nothings Cannon before it's Cannon.
I am sitting here waiting for Sakura
to get all jealous.

We all want that from Sakura right now

I agree with you. Nothing's cannon before it's cannon. But Sakura in the upcoming few chapters will probably do nothing as to respond to what she just saw. She'll be more engaging in fight probably, well from whatever Kishi is setting up for her for those next few chapters but I think we'll see a NS moment in this arc. If not, well in the next arc, as in a NS moment. As for her role, it can be in this arc or the next one, and I'm saying that under the category of her playing a huge role.

Might I add too, that the reaction that we saw from Sakura in ch.615 is exactly how I wanted to be when I was reading and reaching to her panel cause I knew Kishi will set a panel for her to see her reaction on what she just saw, which he did. This shows that he's signaling.

I hope not i want hinata to jelly not sakura.

It's better for a main character, who has a protagonist that has affection for him/her, to get jealous or shocked or disturbed from a sight that is related between this protagonist and another character instead of him/her. It leads to a more increase of the chances of the protagonist side as a character to be with his/her interest.

Edited by T XD, 27 December 2012 - 08:29 PM.