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[merryGOflava]

Yesh, we need a new moment in the manga

Anyways, so when do you guys think the /real/ Naruto is gonna meet up with Sakura?

i dont know....if he doesnt get captured....i would say sooner than later

then again if he does get captured and sakura is on the team maybe it would be easier that way

[T XD]

The next Ns reunion you say? Maybe when (if) they fight side by side.... Or if Kishi wants to put us through more waiting then probably before Naruto leaves to go fight Sasuke. Or, if Naruto gets hurt and Sakura heals him... There are a lot of possibilities/scenarios that can happen. Let's just hope it's soon. And when I mean soon, I mean before Christmas break.

yup there's a lot of possiblities altough i think when he finish this fight then he will see sakura and then naruto will leave again for some other fight(s) and maybe with sakura on his side..

Edited by T XD, 29 November 2011 - 08:24 AM.

[Soul]

I think that it will be that way:

After the fight with Madara,Naruto is very injured (ofc he will it's Madara we are talking about) and then there are two possibilities , 1.Tsunade and the kages finished the fight and tells naruto that he need to be healed (that's obvious that sakura will be the one), 2. Naruto dispels all of his clones and then he locates Sakura,And then Sakura begins healing Naruto but she ask him where is he going and Naruto tells her about sasuke then The 'Forehead scene'.

[T XD]

Tsunade and the kages finished the fight and tells naruto that he need to be healed (that's obvious that sakura will be the one)

that a big possibility

[Nate River]

I am personally convinced that no pairings will happen in the end (I think chances are very high that Sasuke and Naruto will both die as Naruto hinted), if one 'pairing' were to happen I would actually put my money on NaruHina, here is why:

I used to think "no pairings" was the mostly likely result, but he has thrown fuel on the romantic subplot too many times to have the whole thing either remain unresolved or flame out and everyone end up just friends.

I also think the odds of Naruto and Sasuke dying are low. First, is the, so far, unbroken trend of Kishimoto not killing anyone of consequence in the rookie nine-generation. I don't see a sudden deviation now when he couldn't off less imporatant characters whose relevance has long since passed (Neji, for example)

Jiriaya and Tsuande could not save their friend. They failed. Naruto, if Kishimoto keeps with the themes he has been using, will not. This also ties in with the fact that, at it's core, this is still Naruto's story. So then, what does "saving" Sasuke entail?

I believe that Naruto would see a dead Sasuke as a failure no matter what Sasuke said as he died, especially if Naruto is the one dealing the killing blow. If the final confrontation is Naruto v. Sasuke and Sasuke only comes to his "senses" about the cycle of hate while he lay dying from a fatal blow delivered by Naruto....then he's still a victim to that cycle and is not, in my mind, "saved" in any meaningful sense of the word. He still died because of his own hate, only getting over it after his life is essentially over. I have a tough time believing Naruto would this result a success.

Naruto already knows about it and has already determined to end it...so what would be point in doing that? I can only see two (1) to have Naruto learn you can't save everybody and you can't save those that do no wish to save themselves ; (2) this would be the trigger event to convince Naruto of the need to break the cycle on broad scale and not just with his friend.

He has already done (2), so that leaves (1) and I don't see that happening given the manga's more positive overall themes and Kishimoto's preference for happy endings. That and Naruto doesn't seem to be the type of ever accept (1) as a possibility.

The only way I see Sasuke dying now is through self-sacrifice (someone besides Naruto lands the blow). Naruto saves him, but Sasuke dies protecting Naruto as the actual act of redemption; the proof that Sasuke's transformation is more than just words. I suppose the two acts could be simultaneous, but I'm not expecting that.

If Naruto v. Sasuke is the final battle, I don't see where this could come in. I still don't Kishimoto killing him(see Neji, Hinata, Gaara and so on), but at least if he did then he is saved by Naruto from the hate and only dies because of a selfless act friendship that he himself chose. That's about the only way I see Kishimoto squaring Sasuke being saved and Sasuke still dying.

Finally...it would seem odd to me that the character that has been the most involved in the romantic subplot (Sakura) would come out of the whole thing without a pairing while others do.

Since the kage summit arc Kishimoto is done with raising more questions. He is rounding things up, so time to give the readers the answers.
NaruSaku - a pairing I see as a red herring - is finished off in this arc (IMO), with the simple fact that, Kishimoto has shown us:
- Naruto's reaction to the confession was also very interesting. He notes that it is a lie and that she loves Sasuke, a weird thing to come from someone who is still pursuing her seriously

Soupy deals with other points I deleted from the quote...so I'll only address this. I hate the red herring argument as much as the brother/sister one. As Soupy said, you can't prove it and it reeks so much of an argument of convenience that you can now cram everything they do into a tidy box and whatever future development is now rendered irrelevant because you have a convenient out everytime anything happens.

Not to you are doing this, but explanation of why I think it's kind of a crappy argument.

As Soupy says, Naruto has long since believed she loves Sasuke and only him. This is repeatedly shown throughout part one, yet he still continues to kling to those feelings. They have not deviated at any point. As long as he holds this belief, regardless of it's validity, his reaction is not weird at all.

Moreover, given the conditions it was made under, Naruto accepting them would have complicated matters significantly and not resolved anything because, ultimately, Sakura has not resolved everything within herself. What if Naruto accepts but doesn't follow the desired course of action (to go home)? What if he does and her plan suceeds in full? This would be merely the beginning over another set of problems and not a conclusive resolution.

The confession tells us very little we didn't already know about Naruto: He still holds on to the belief that she is love with Sasuke and him alone and that he is not so desperate to be with her that he is unwilling to accept a confession he does not believe to be genuine and in the process essentially forgo one of his basics goals of part 2.

So...I see nothing weird about his reaction.

EDIT: And as far resolving Naruto's feelings..,I think the most damning thing for NaruHina at this point is that there is nothing on the "Naruto" end that needs to be resolved. A seen similar to the hug (where Hinata sees as spectator) would be sufficient. All that would be necessary right now is for Hinata to accept it herself (assuming it occurs).

[Thomas]

i think naruto cant save sasuke , he is a cold-blooded killer now

[Thomas]

Killer or not, Sasuke still is holding on to his bond with Naruto.

if everyone see sasuke killing thousands of ninjas of the alliance do u think they will pardon him?

[dfammer]

if everyone see sasuke killing thousands of ninjas of the alliance do u think they will pardon him?

If Sasuke kills even ONE leaf village ninja it will lead to his doom. I think whatever happens with Sasuke and Naruto it will happen before the main battle.

[Thomas]

If Sasuke kills even ONE leaf village ninja it will lead to his doom. I think whatever happens with Sasuke and Naruto it will happen before the main battle.

he already killed danzou, i think 20 samurais from the iron country, he kill the staker ninja of the cloud(i think his name is Jay), he attcked the five kages.
i think he will die.

[Nate River]

if everyone see sasuke killing thousands of ninjas of the alliance do u think they will pardon him?

Yes.

Sasuke is neck deep within the "cycle of hate." To impose retribution upon him for actions that are tied to abuse inflicted upon by Itachi and later the machinations of Tobi would, I think to reinforce that rather than break it.

Would he deserve the punishment? Absolutely. It doesn't excuse what he has done, but I think the "cycle of hate" theme will ultimately override what the normal human reaction would be. It has already happened before.

Did Naruto "pardon" Nagato after he flatened his home and killed his fellow villagers (including Kakashi and almost Hinata)?

Naruto has done something similar already. I think the others (who are relevant) will do the same. You already see the beginning of this in the current chapter.

Whether such a thing is believable is it's own seperate issue. The more he kills the harder it is, so I'm not so certain Sasuke will enter the field of battle while the allience itself (apart from Naruto and the Kages) are still significantly involved in combat, thus sidestepping the issue entirely. Sasuke was interrupted on his path to Konoha, IMO, for this very reason. It's also why I think he has to date, only killed other villains (I'm limiting to this characters of consequence, not the random Samurai).

I'm not necessarily fond of all that, and I'm really ambivalent about the "cycle of hate" theme, but it is what I think he would do.

[Don-kun]

@Nate River, I agree. When the manga ends, it will at least have one pairing resolved. I don't know about any of the other possible romances, but the relationship between Naruto and Sakura has had too much development to leave it unresolved. It can't stay the way it is now, either. They've reached the point where they only have to openly acknowledge each other's feelings. Without that, everything will be confused. At this stage it really is: if you're not moving forwards, you're moving backwards.

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Topic I wish for Sasuke to die but he will not die, Sakura and Naruto will have a resolution and it will not end as friends.
I really don't know if Sasuke will go back to Konoha, but he will not reject Sakura or try to date her.
Sakura will come to terms with her feeling to realice that Naruto is the one she really love. This will not happen with out a last pusch from Tsunade, Ino,(specialy Ino) or Shizune. I really think if Sasuke return to Konoha (I really doubt it) but is that happen he will be the one to tell Naruto that he need to think more about himself and his happiness since he really love Sakura and he will die for her.

Edited by donjoseph19, 29 November 2011 - 07:13 PM.

[T XD]

he already killed danzou, i think 20 samurais from the iron country, he kill the staker ninja of the cloud(i think his name is Jay), he attcked the five kages.
i think he will die.

but if he did those it doesn't necessarly mean that he will die although i have to admit that i think sasuke could die anytime in the next chapters and i don't want that

[T XD]

This will not happen with out a last pusch from Tsunade, Ino,(specialy Ino) or Shizune.

i believe this will happen but i don't think especially from ino but from tsunade cause tsunade loved jiraiya ( from what i have understand from the manga) and jiraiya loved her too and didn't get in progress with their relationship because tsunade had been hurt by the one she has loved and died then she begun like having development of feelings with jiraiya who had loved her since he was young and like we know he died so tsunade will talk to sakura about her and naruto, because there is similarities between the past relation of tsu/jir and the present relation of naruto and sakura, and sakura will take it into consideration or none of this will happen but something else to establish the relationship between naruto and sakura.

[merryGOflava]

he already killed danzou, i think 20 samurais from the iron country, he kill the staker ninja of the cloud(i think his name is Jay), he attcked the five kages.
i think he will die.

ya but there many things other ninja have done that were just as bad. and still were saved.

coughgaaracough....>w>

and besides danzou wasnt a good apple either he did want to burn konoha to the ground


but this argument is to hard to tell

but i think naruto will figure it out.

[Don-kun]

i believe this will happen but i don't think especially from Ino but from tsunade cause tsunade loved jiraiya ( from what i have understand from the manga) and jiraiya loved her too and didn't get in progress with their relationship because tsunade had been hurt by the one she has loved and died then she begun like having development of feelings with jiraiya who had loved her since he was young and like we know he died so tsunade will talk to sakura about her and naruto, because there is similarities between the past relation of tsu/jir and the present relation of naruto and sakura, and sakura will take it into consideration or none of this will happen but something else to establish the relationship between naruto and sakura.

I said Ino because of the rivalry she has with Sakura, she may tell Sakura they was competing for something that was never real, but also you're right there is no other person to fits that roll better than Tsunade herself.
something like we need to lear to let go those who are no longer with us and try not to be loosing people that are important... Especialy to you. it fits perfectly you really right.

Edited by donjoseph19, 29 November 2011 - 08:35 PM.

[Fenris]

I've come to an conclusion of why a lot of people ship SS and NH.

They assume that when/if Sasuke gets redeemed, Sakura will go right back to him.
The only problem with this is that there is too much development between her and Naruto - and what about all the pain Sasuke caused both of them?
Plus, it'd make her look like an b*tch after confessing to Naruto, even if part of her confession wasn't fully truthful about getting over Sasuke.

They assume that when/if Sasuke gets redeemed, Sakura will get back to him and Naruto will have no one else to go to but Hinata.
The only problem with this is there is no development between Naruto and Hinata to have a romantic relationship much less a mutual bond.
She appears ---- what? every 100 chapters?
It's all about the panel time, nothing happens off screen. It's not like Kishi would have 20 pages of flashback of development we didn't get to see of what happened between Naruto and Hinata, at least I hope he wouldn't do that. That'd make Naruto look like a player and not the hero we all know and love.

I am off to play WoW now.
Be back to debate later

Edited by Fenris, 29 November 2011 - 08:35 PM.

[Thomas]

@Nate RIver-> u forget something naruto didnt pardon nagato but he say i cant kill you , then nagato realizes what he done after naruto showing the jyraia's book , nagato redeemed sacrificing himself to ressurrect everyone that died .
@Fenris -> Ithink the same fenris
but it can happen the same that happened to rin, sasuke can say "i know u love me but i'm a kind of a trash that tried to kill u two times", sasuke does not deserve sakura's love

[Nate River]

@Nate RIver-> u forget something naruto didnt pardon nagato but he say i cant kill you , then nagato realizes what he done after naruto showing the jyraia's book , nagato redeemed sacrificing himself to ressurrect everyone that died .
@Fenris -> Ithink the same fenris
but it can happen the same that happened to rin, sasuke can say "i know u love me but i'm a kind of a trash that tried to kill u two times", sasuke does not deserve sakura's love

You need to be a bit clearer what you mean when you say "pardon" then. I take it to mean that they will do something similar to what Naruto did: decline to kill him for his behavior. I'm a bit curious as to what Naruto would have done with a very much alive Nagato? Would Naruto have punished him at all? I loathe that mass-resurrection/death cop-out.

Nagato only "redeemed" himself AFTER Naruto refused to kill him. Nagato wasn't spared because of the redeemptive act. That came second. Nagato deserved him punishment was much as Sasuke would. I really don't see the difference between the two, except that the alliance isn't Naruto, though they sure are starting to sound like him when it comes to the cycle of hate stuff.

[Phantom_999]

i think naruto cant save sasuke , he is a cold-blooded killer now

Yes.

Sasuke is neck deep within the "cycle of hate." To impose retribution upon him for actions that are tied to abuse inflicted upon by Itachi and later the machinations of Tobi would, I think to reinforce that rather than break it.

Would he deserve the punishment? Absolutely. It doesn't excuse what he has done, but I think the "cycle of hate" theme will ultimately override what the normal human reaction would be. It has already happened before.

Did Naruto "pardon" Nagato after he flatened his home and killed his fellow villagers (including Kakashi and almost Hinata)?

Naruto has done something similar already. I think the others (who are relevant) will do the same. You already see the beginning of this in the current chapter.

Whether such a thing is believable is it's own seperate issue. The more he kills the harder it is, so I'm not so certain Sasuke will enter the field of battle while the allience itself (apart from Naruto and the Kages) are still significantly involved in combat, thus sidestepping the issue entirely. Sasuke was interrupted on his path to Konoha, IMO, for this very reason. It's also why I think he has to date, only killed other villains (I'm limiting to this characters of consequence, not the random Samurai).

I'm not necessarily fond of all that, and I'm really ambivalent about the "cycle of hate" theme, but it is what I think he would do.

I thought this was the NARUSAKU debate thread? last time we tried giving opinions on Sasuke living or dying things went ugly so let's let it be. Anyways NS just need something solid to confirm the relationship. something that a logical person can't deny. Things need to be solve but (unfortunately)it's not happening in the near future and I'm ripping my hair out right because of it.