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[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I don't believe NH is canon with just this. Again, I don't necessarily thing Naruto held her hand for romantic purposes, but he did hold it for reassurance, support, to give chakra, and because Hinata is a friend, somehow, an even closer one now. :/

But anyway, there's another thing I don't like. While I have the feeling that NS will have another moment after this.... how is it going to top this? Well I mean, in general, hand holding isn't that big of a deal. Completely hugging someone is much closer, but it's not just the hand holding. Naruto was about to give into Obito, a major villain, and Hinata was the one that slapped him out of it.

What can Sakura do that will mean as much or more than Hinata's actions? I'm not saying it can't be done, but does anyone have any thoughts?

- It would look really bad now if she ends up being a damsel in distress for that Sakura = Rin parallel scenario (where she dies or almost dies thanks to Obito), it will really tarnish her heroine role in addition to this chapter. I think that particular situation where Sakura is in danger thing should be thrown out.

- I don't think he'd repeat the "I'll jump in front of you so that you're not killed". Then it would really seem like Sakura is taking a step back and stepping into Hinata's old role as Hinata just stepped into hers.

- She could give him a pep talk, but could it ever be moving enough as convincing Naruto not to fall for Obito's scheme?

- What's bigger than a romantic hug or holding hands? A kiss or a confession. But would she confess right after this war? Eh. Would he confess? I still think he's going to hold it all in until he returns Sasuke. A kiss? At this point, I feel like a kiss is totally out of the left field, I don't know.

I think you make an excellent point. It's a little bit similar to my own wonderings about how can Kishi make Sakura move on from Sasuke if Sasuke almost murdering her will not make Sakura get over him. How can Kishi make Sakura top Hinata's actions in ch 615, how can Kishi make Sakura move on from Sasuke if she already didn't after the summit arc? How can Sakura wake up to realize her love for Naruto if she already hasn't? And so on.

Is Kishi even going to try? Maybe there is no need for Sakura to make a bigger impact on Naruto than Hinata? Maybe there is no need for Sakura to move on from Sasuke and realize her love for Naruto? Maybe Kishi will make NH and SS canon? I am SS shipper, as you know, so I can't say I'm not biased but that is my thinking at the moment.

[kirabook]

sadly, you guys told the whole world that hinata was selfish for thinking to hold naruto's hand

If a family member just died and you held their hand to show them support and to reassure them everything is alright, then there's nothing wrong with that.

If you just want to hold someones hand because it's big and strong and will lead to your dream coming true of getting attention from your crush, then yes, that is entirely selfish. Hinata's thoughts back then were about no one other than Naruto and herself. The lives of others didn't even cross her mind. I still feel like she should feel more guilty about letting Neji die. Neji died for Naruto, but he definitely died for Hinata moreso.


But moving on, there is something I wanted to add but I can't quite put it into words. Sure, Sakura doesn't technically have to DO anything, but wouldn't that just seem... flat? It'd sorta seem like Sakura came out of nowhere and took the prize without working for it. I want her to do something notable, something that will make everyone remember her efforts more than Hinata's. Can anyone honestly say that Sakura was heroineish these last chapters? She hasn't been, it's disappointing. I want her to do something more heroic than Hinata and then I guess I would feel more comfortable with something like a kiss.

Edited by kirabook, 27 December 2012 - 04:06 PM.

[kidNinja]

I think you make an excellent point. It's a little bit similar to my own wonderings about how can Kishi make Sakura move on from Sasuke if Sasuke almost murdering her will not make Sakura get over him. How can Kishi make Sakura top Hinata's actions in ch 615, how can Kishi make Sakura move on from Sasuke if she already didn't after the summit arc? How can Sakura wake up to realize her love for Naruto if she already hasn't? And so on.

Is Kishi even going to try? Maybe there is no need for Sakura to make a bigger impact on Naruto than Hinata? Maybe there is no need for Sakura to move on from Sasuke and realize her love for Naruto? Maybe Kishi will make NH and SS canon? I am SS shipper, as you know, so I can't say I'm not biased but that is my thinking at the moment.

Yeah, because when somebody grabs you by the throat in an attempt to behead you, tries to put a blade through your heart as soon as you turn your back, put you down on a consistent basis, knock things from your hand when you try to help them, flat out tells you that they don't think much of you among many other things, it clearly means you must love them with all of your heart no matter what. The logic or lack thereof you psychos SS supporters use is mind-boggling to say the least.

Edited by kidNinja, 27 December 2012 - 04:17 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Yeah, because when somebody grabs you by the throat in an attempt to behead you, tries to put a blade through your heart as soon as you turn your back, put you down on a consistent basis, knock things from your hand when you try to help them, flat out tells you that they don't think much of you among many other things, it clearly means you must love them with all of your heart no matter what. The logic or lack thereof you psychos SS supporters use is mind-boggling to say the least.

No, maybe Kishi thinks that everything Sasuke has done is a-okay if he says he is sorry. Maybe he plans for SS to be canon. That is my point.

Umm... Also, digs about logic or lack of it are not appreciated.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 27 December 2012 - 04:20 PM.

[swagosaurus]

No, maybe Kishi thinks that everything Sasuke has done is a-okay if he says he is sorry. Maybe he plans for SS to be canon. That is my point.

When would Sasuke ever say sorry? To Sakura, of all people?

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

When would Sasuke ever say sorry? To Sakura, of all people?

Probably some time after his redemption. Gaara did apologize to his siblings after Naruto converted him to the path of love, if I remember correctly. Sakura was Sasuke's friend and important one, too, once upon a time. If Sasuke changes his ways, surely he has the manners to say he's sorry to all the people he tried to kill?

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 27 December 2012 - 04:24 PM.

[Anguyen92]

Probably some time after his redemption. Gaara did apologize to his siblings after Naruto converted him to the path of love, if I remember correctly. Sakura was Sasuke's friend and important one, too, once upon a time. If Sasuke changes his ways, surely he has the manners to say he's sorry to all the people he tried to kill?

Sure, he could change his way and say he's sorry (quite unlikely at this stage though) at the end. Then again, whose to say Sakura would even accept that and actually fall for him again? After all, he did bury her a lot for the most part, even before the betrayal. I just don't think Sakura would be that person that would fall into the same mistakes again after all of this.

Edited by Anguyen92, 27 December 2012 - 04:33 PM.

[kidNinja]

Probably some time after his redemption. Gaara did apologize to his siblings after Naruto converted him to the path of love, if I remember correctly. Sakura was Sasuke's friend and important one, too, once upon a time. If Sasuke changes his ways, surely he has the manners to say he's sorry to all the people he tried to kill?

Gee, I wonder how that would go.

Sasuke: Sakura, I'm sorry for treating like kitten and trying to kill you three times. I'm also sorry for discouraging you every chance I got.


Sakura: Shut up and kiss me.

and

Sasuke: Naruto, I'm sorry for leaving the village, trying to kill you in cold blood, stealing the girl of our dreams, the admiration and affection of everybody of the village, sending o on a wild goose chase for years, causing so much emotional and psychological pain, stealing your show, our sensei's affection and the rest of your glory.

Naruto: It's okay Sasuke! You can be hokage while you're at it!

or
Sasuke: Raikage-sama, I'm sorry for trying to kidnap and kill your brother and starting a world war.

A: Shut up and become the next Raikage! Also take the key to the village and this big bag of cash.

can't forget this gem

Sasuke: Shogun-sama, I'm sorry for killing an entire division of your samurai.

Shogun of the Iron nation: Shut up and take all of the weapons you want. Here's the deed to the Iron Country. It's our now.


I'm sure the above is every SS fan's dream.

Edited by kidNinja, 27 December 2012 - 04:36 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Nah, the dream is sharingan-eyed pinkhaired wailing little baby Sakura goes to show around the Yamanaka flowershop. Your scenario is more like a warm-up.

[Haaky]

Do people agree that Kishi is building NaruHina now? Or are people still in denial?
I'm still NaruSaku fan, but since Kishi is actually giving it something to stand on
I think I am starting to accept it would be okay.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Sure, he could change his way and say he's sorry (quite unlikely at this stage though) at the end. Then again, whose to say Sakura would even accept that and actually fall for him again? After all, he did bury her a lot for the most part, even before the betrayal. I just don't think Sakura would be that person that would fall into the same mistakes again after all of this.

Very true, given Sasuke always looked down on Sakura. Even in the start of the Chunin Exams, he only complimented her Genjutsu just because it would benefit HIM. Just using her crush on him for his own personal gain. And we've seen too Sakura's realized how wrong her crush for Sasuke was with seeing how far he has fallen. Even if she won't admit it to Naruto, I imagine she feels possibly that Sasuke is beyond redemption in any way.

[T XD]

Do people agree that Kishi is building NaruHina now? Or are people still in denial?
I'm still NaruSaku fan, but since Kishi is actually giving it something to stand on
I think I am starting to accept it would be okay.

Just because this chapter included Hinata acting heroically and Naruto holding her hand, that there's a future for NH ?!!! Out of the blue is canon ?
If that's a promise for a pairing than why we didn't celebrate before when there was many things that Sakura did more than what Hinata did in this single chapter with all the big NS moments ?

This chapter is expected from a long time and nothing is from it, just a development of her character and having what she wants which is to be Naruto's side.

Edited by T XD, 27 December 2012 - 04:57 PM.

[Haaky]

Just because this chapter included Hinata acting heroically and Naruto holding her hand, that there's a future for NH ?!!! Out of the blue is canon ?
If that's a promise for a pairing than why we didn't celebrate before when there was many things that Sakura did more than what Hinata did in this single chapter with all the big NS moments ?

This chapter is expected from a long time and nothing is from it, just a development of her character and having what she wants.

Look I do believe that NaruHina would be a bit out of the blue, but you know. Say this war ends, everyone is happy bla bla.
Some time passes by and Those 2 grow on each other and become cannon. I have to be honest here for once, and I don't care
what you say about it. But before I go let me say that I am NaruSaku fan and will be no matter what happens.

You guys are biased to. Comon guys you all can understand this. It's so easy for you to figure out what is going to happen in the
end, but when it comes to something other than what you want you can't do that. Why is that? The fact is, I repeat, the FACT is
that Kishimoto HAS been building NaruHina lately, but wait I am not finished yet. It might be as easy as this. Kishi is just making
it cannon, and it is about time that your diehard NaruSaku fans accept, that this might happen. However Kishi is known to lead
the readers on only to blow their mind completely, there was a reaction from Sakura in there too. And it's not there for no reason,
Nothing in this manga is for no reason. So kishi might be, I repeat, might be. Creating a scenario where Sakura realize her feelings
for Naruto, now that she see that she cannot have him, or that there is a chance that she cannot have him. I see that outcome coming
to reality too.

But like I already stated many times, the other thing is also possible.
And I am not going to be one of those blind guys that can't even analyze
a simple cartoon without being biased.

/Sry for all bad English, I'm tired.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Look I do believe that NaruHina would be a bit out of the blue, but you know. Say this war ends, everyone is happy bla bla.
Some time passes by and Those 2 grow on each other and become cannon. I have to be honest here for once, and I don't care
what you say about it. But before I go let me say that I am NaruSaku fan and will be no matter what happens.

You guys are biased to. Comon guys you all can understand this. It's so easy for you to figure out what is going to happen in the
end, but when it comes to something other than what you want you can't do that. Why is that? The fact is, I repeat, the FACT is
that Kishimoto HAS been building NaruHina lately, but wait I am not finished yet. It might be as easy as this. Kishi is just making
it cannon, and it is about time that your diehard NaruSaku fans accept, that this might happen. However Kishi is known to lead
the readers on only to blow their mind completely, there was a reaction from Sakura in there too. And it's not there for no reason,
Nothing in this manga is for no reason. So kishi might be, I repeat, might be. Creating a scenario where Sakura realize her feelings
for Naruto, now that she see that she cannot have him, or that there is a chance that she cannot have him. I see that outcome coming
to reality too.

But like I already stated many times, the other thing is also possible.
And I am not going to be one of those blind guys that can't even analyze
a simple cartoon without being biased.

/Sry for all bad English, I'm tired.

We are not saying that NH is canon we are saying is Sakura is yet to prove why she's the main heroine and she didnt proved yet and on the other hand we have hinata acting heroically no matter what saying if sakura is or not the main heroine, the actions did not prove that kitten yet.
Actually she did nothing compared to what hinata did on this war, even if i dislike her character.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2012 - 05:24 PM.

[Haaky]

We are not saying that NH is canon we are saying is Sakura is yet to prove why she's the main heroine and she didnt proved yet and on the other hand we have hinata acting heroically no matter what saying if sakura is or not the main heroine, the actions did not prove that kitten yet.
Actually she did nothing compared to what hinata did on this war, even if i dislike her character.

... Aaand I didn't say you said it was Canon. But many are imagening difrent endings, but those are always tweaked to what you want, while in reality it probably won't end in the way people think. There are just too many variables that might happen. On the rest of what you say I agree. I have no idea why Hinata is getting all this attention all of a sudden. But well... It would surely be needed if NaruHina would be cannon right? If not everyone would be complaining how it become cannon for no reason. It could also be needed for a proper plot twist.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

... Aaand I didn't say you said it was Canon. But many are imagening difrent endings, but those are always tweaked to what you want, while in reality it probably won't end in the way people think. There are just too many variables that might happen. On the rest of what you say I agree. I have no idea why Hinata is getting all this attention all of a sudden. But well... It would surely be needed if NaruHina would be cannon right? If not everyone would be complaining how it become cannon for no reason. It could also be needed for a proper plot twist.

But it's not suffice, unless he shows Naruto giving up on Sakura, we know that he loves her, that why i just said i'll wait until this arc finish because like always i'm waiting for a NS scene, just saying if NS does not happen on this arc then NH is likely to be canon for me.

[T XD]

Look I do believe that NaruHina would be a bit out of the blue, but you know. Say this war ends, everyone is happy bla bla.
Some time passes by and Those 2 grow on each other and become cannon. I have to be honest here for once, and I don't care
what you say about it. But before I go let me say that I am NaruSaku fan and will be no matter what happens.

You guys are biased to. Comon guys you all can understand this. It's so easy for you to figure out what is going to happen in the
end, but when it comes to something other than what you want you can't do that. Why is that? The fact is, I repeat, the FACT is
that Kishimoto HAS been building NaruHina lately, but wait I am not finished yet. It might be as easy as this. Kishi is just making
it cannon, and it is about time that your diehard NaruSaku fans accept, that this might happen. However Kishi is known to lead
the readers on only to blow their mind completely, there was a reaction from Sakura in there too. And it's not there for no reason,
Nothing in this manga is for no reason. So kishi might be, I repeat, might be. Creating a scenario where Sakura realize her feelings
for Naruto, now that she see that she cannot have him, or that there is a chance that she cannot have him. I see that outcome coming
to reality too.

But like I already stated many times, the other thing is also possible.
And I am not going to be one of those blind guys that can't even analyze
a simple cartoon without being biased.

/Sry for all bad English, I'm tired.

Sorry but I'm not biased or blinded by what I want. I speak to you by the fact that this chapter has intrigued you to think that NH has a big possibility to be canon just from a single chapter !

It's illogical as a writer to have the protagonist interested in the main female character to shift it to another character, just for the sake that he wanted too all of a sudden. If that to be true, than Kishi was just playing with Naruto and Sakura from the start as characters to have something this legit, like holding hands, have Naruto to be interested in Hinata, not to mention that it rushes everything for this. It doesn't make sense nor it fits in a manga sense from the start.
If he wanted NH, and I'm saying that without taking in thought any of what a writer would have done all the work to have something in the end and without how in my entire life of reading a good number of manga ( which this manga is no different than other ), he could have at least have Hinata and Naruto having the same meaningful conversation and some of the things that could be taken in consideration, like holding hands, in the past which we haven't seen anything like this at all.

This hasn't ended yet cause we'll see of what we saw in ch.615 some more of it in the upcoming and future chapters, there's no escape from it cause it has to be done for the sake of characters and story line.

Edited by T XD, 27 December 2012 - 05:46 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Very true, given Sasuke always looked down on Sakura. Even in the start of the Chunin Exams, he only complimented her Genjutsu just because it would benefit HIM. Just using her crush on him for his own personal gain. And we've seen too Sakura's realized how wrong her crush for Sasuke was with seeing how far he has fallen. Even if she won't admit it to Naruto, I imagine she feels possibly that Sasuke is beyond redemption in any way.

Sasuke wasn't always absolutely horrible to Sakura, you know. I will never deny that Sasuke has done very disgusting things to her, because he has. It's just that sometimes it seems that you people around here can't bring yourselves to acknowledge any good qualities or good things that Sasuke, or say Hinata, have done. Sasuke considered Sakura an important bond and was willing to sacrifice himself to save her (the fight against Gaara). Once he did compliment her without any gain to himself just because he noticed that she was feeling down (the beginning of the chuunin exam). There is no way around these. This is what happened. you may feel that his later actions have tainted this little goodness. That's fine but you can't still say that Sasuke always looked down on Sakura. That's simply not true. You will just make yourselves look silly because it is possible for anyone to go and actually read the manga, and the part one where Sasuke and Sakura have most of their interaction.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 27 December 2012 - 05:45 PM.

[Haaky]

But it's not suffice, unless he shows Naruto giving up on Sakura, we know that he loves her, that why i just said i'll wait until this arc finish because like always i'm waiting for a NS scene, just saying if NS does not happen on this arc then NH is likely to be canon for me.

This makes perfect sense to me.

I am really excited right now to see how this is sorted out.
Because Kishi is obviously creating a storm here. He wants us to be debating back and fourth
leaving everyone in confusion. My guess is he is creating a romance drama where you will be
shaking your head not knowing what will be the final results.

a bit of a side theme:
When people figured out Tobi was Obito I literally got mind blown.
Everyone expected the unexpected only to realize the most expected
result was accurate.

Haha, I love Kishimoto.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Something else I have noticed: you keep saying that NH has no development yet keep insisting that every single moment they interact is either fanservice, trolling or character, not pairing, development. How can you notice the hints to possible NH if you insist on dismissing them all?