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[Derock]

And you know what... I just found out something after I posted.

So we all said Sasuke tried to kill Sakura 3-4 times which should had been the point to drop her feelings for him like a fly and move on. But I realize that we had misinterpret those scenes badly because he actually with success tries to kill her 2 times not 3 or four. Let me break it down:

To us we are seeing like this in our view of Sakura, with the 3 Strikes system:

Strike 1/2: almost happened but interrupted, thinking Sasuke was on drugs given to Orochimaru and Kabuto (why 1 and 2 together? Because she was about to attack him back when Team Kakashi met him at the hideout, but Yamato took the hit for her and Sasuke was about to start a jutsu when Orochimaru interupted, which the jutsu was actually Kirin.)

Strike 3: Ok... this should give me a hint... (the scene where he was about to Chidori her before Kakashi came in)

Strike 4: HELL NO!!! Get away from me, you crazy ass-psycho!!! (scene where he actually grabbed her by the throat and about to stab her with the soon-to-be known poisoned kunai)

... yet those recent Strikes are the actual Strikes 1 and 2 because those are Sasuke's successfully without hesitation tries to kill her. And here the reason why: 3rd Strike didn't happen to give Sakura the chance to see how very low Sasuke has become in order to drop her feelings of love for the Uchiha. Sure Karin, Sai, Konoha 11, etc. gave her hints. And she was crying when trying to heal Karin after seeing Sasuke try to kill her the first time (Strike 1). But then when she tries to kill him, she hesitated and her feelings for him came up so she couldn't complete her task which lead to Strike 2. The 3rd one did not happened yert... and I can see why. The feelings came up after Strike 1 happened. So my point is, in order of Sakura to successfully grow up (eventually toss the love away for Sasuke) and move on, Strike 3 needs to occur and I'm not sure how it will come because somehow we need to have another "old" Team 7 before the final showdown and events.

And if you don't understand why my point is, I said it right here:

Usually, some or many people in real life tend to follow 3 chances if anyone done something wrong to them, happens alot in relationships. If all 3 or more chances ( and sometimes the chances can be only one) are gone, the trust/friendship/love etc. will probably not be regain again, no matter if anyone can forgive them because they do not want to repeat the hurt and pain and try to forget it so they can move on. I'm not sure many of us experience it but I do see this alot in many Western media.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Sakura's Confession is indeed quite debatable. The only thing that matters is, she believe in them.
........another topic would be the parallels.

[Gravenimage]

I do believe N/S is already canon but Kishi loves drama and like Soupy said he will continue with the team seven love triangle until the end, or like Derock said until the third strike that makes Sakura release any romantic feelings she may still have for Sasuke. However I believe that third strike could be the bench scene Kishi showing Kushina's story how she met Minato and the huge paralel that Minato/Kushina has to Naruto/Sakura it clearly say that he's planing to solve the famous bench scene from chapter 3.

Sakura learning that Naruto was the one who complimented her forehead and sees that he thinks her forehead is pretty is exactly what she needs to know to finally grow up and erase any lingering feelings for Sasuke for good. But like I said the resolve of the bench scene could officially be the thing to make N/S canon and knowing how Kishi loves to squeeze any lost drop of juice from the drama he could leave that before the final battle.

Edited by Gravenimage, 11 July 2010 - 11:14 AM.

[alexander]

tsundere plotline
Kishimoto made the plotline his own, the romantic plotline was set before Kishimoto even started writing
shonen manga, the final romantic pairing for the main characters is set in motion in the first volume- and the tsundere girl and boy who likes her is a quite common plotline. The romantic pairing plotline is clear and obvious in shonen. Kishimoto is no different, in fact, he makes it even more obvious

Sakura can't be called a full Tsundere (althought Sai state she is one in the movie, Lol), like, we never heard she say those classic lines: "I-It's not like I Doing this for you or anything, d-don't get the wrong idea! Baka!!" or something like that. But if that ever happened, I would probaly die of the cuteness overload.

[Gravenimage]

tsundere plotline
Kishimoto made the plotline his own, the romantic plotline was set before Kishimoto even started writing
shonen manga, the final romantic pairing for the main characters is set in motion in the first volume- and the tsundere girl and boy who likes her is a quite common plotline. The romantic pairing plotline is clear and obvious in shonen. Kishimoto is no different, in fact, he makes it even more obvious

easy as that i have no dought its settled because this hasn't failed yet lol ;p

believe what you want but i bet my sig on this i find it not worth the work ps3 part lazy part because they are ignored

but my opinion stays with @ciardha @catsi witch i admire for there time effort meny years manga expertise

It's more for Kishi to make it obvious. Although it's the same plotline in shonen genre between the main protagonist and the tsundere Kishi's way of developing the pairing is unique and amazing, and that's what makes the shonen plotline in his manga very good. He has done a good job in slowly developing the feelings for both characters adding more drama and plot devices. What Kishi is showing with the development of Naruto and Sakura is that their love for the other is blooming little by little until it becomes a love so strong that it will be unbreakable. By developing N/S Kishi is showing us the forge and creation of true love which is base on understanding, trust, friendship and acceptance Naruto and Sakura have that all right. True love is not base on admiration from a far, silly fantasies, dumb crushes and most importantly it's not about who deserves who the most just because that person is kind and sweet and she likes the boy who's in love with his teammate without doing much of an effort to enter in his life (you guys know who I'm talking about ).

Edited by Gravenimage, 11 July 2010 - 01:28 PM.

[ahmed]

i want to know :why if you ask any one on any onther naruto forum or even in wiki answers is sakura confession was true or no......no one said it is true ......alll said it is a shame to lessen the burden of the POLT from naruto only

i want to know: are they have a mind to think .(i dont bash any one)
what they think of all that development between sakura and naruto and the hug and all what prove that sakura was true in her feelings ...there are alot

i think the developments and the hints that kishi had made only prove that from the first he was planing to make NS

i think if any one watch the anime it is obvious in it how sakura feel to naruto especially when he transformed to the kuuybi in the first time ..... in that time sakura's feeling toward naruto really appears

how they deny and ignoring all that (especially in the anime)

Edited by ahmed, 11 July 2010 - 05:16 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

oh soupy@
I guess Kakashi and Naruto are romantically in love with Sasuke too, by that reading Kishimoto wants you to see the strength of the team mate bond. I guess Jiraiya and Hiruzen were romatically in love with Orochimaru.

Do either of them say they fell in love with Sasuke? Come on now, that is grasping. I wonder if you read what I posted at all.

the love Sai speaks about when it comes to Sasuke is the memories, her compassionate nature, and the team mate bond. She also knows how intense Naruto's bond is to Sasuke and it agonizes her that she will hurt Naruto emotionally if she suceeds in killing Sasuke, and she's in love with Naruto. It's so agonzing a choice. And it's just too much to overcome, but did Kakashi do any better- nope. And Naruto didn't even bother because of his feelings for Sasuke.

Your whole argument was that the actual manga had Sai referring to Sakura's love in the past tense. I showed you proof, from the actual manga, that that was not the case. If you want to ignore that manga, that is your choice, but advise that you not try to argue points without any proof.

Japanese culture different from American culture

Yes it is. It is more subtle. But Sakura is not the type of girl to be subtle. She has never felt embarrassed to touch either Naruto or Sasuke.

@gravenimage

I do believe N/S is already canon but Kishi loves drama and like Soupy said he will continue with the team seven love triangle until the end, or like Derock said until the third strike that makes Sakura release any romantic feelings she may still have for Sasuke.

A canon pairing means the two are actually a couple. They aren't dating, and as you said the romantic feelings haven't completely lifted, so how is it a canon couple at this point?

@ahmed
Plenty of NS fans agree the confession was not entirely true as well. Hopefully you aren't trying to say that it makes them less of an NS fan because of that.

[Cloud]

A canon pairing means the two are actually a couple. They aren't dating, and as you said the romantic feelings haven't completely lifted, so how is it a canon couple at this point?

Dohohohoho...

So he's literally saying if a girl and boy have crushes/feelings for each other, they're automatically a couple.

Seriously, I should read you the entire manga in Japanese instead. But then, you'd ignore me and post something irrelevant.

Edited by Cloud, 11 July 2010 - 05:27 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

If people still don't believe me, let's go back to the actual japanese. I went back in the NS fanclub at NF to find the posts about this chapter and innera, who is a japanese NS fan, confirmed the translations herself.

Here

Not only is Sai speaking in present tense, he uses 'daisuki', which refers to romantic love.

[Cloud]

soupy@ you ignore whats already in front of you development interviews at this point there is nothing left but your thoughts

She's actually giving you evidence from the bloody manga. CHAPTERS. QUOTED. FOR. BLOODY. GOOD. MEASURE.

Interviews should never be used in an argument as a main point, because those are open to debate. While manga is solid proof.

Oh look. She found more proof in Japanese.

DURHURHURHURHURHUR.

[Gravenimage]

So wait the part that Sai said "it's because she loves him....(meaning Sasuke)" is fake in Japanese he said "it's because she's in love...." just like Yamato speech he's doing in it on purprose not letting him finish the name of the person Sakura truly loves. Kishi sure likes to play with all of us and makes us angry, this whole thing with the pairings is one big game to him. He wants us the readers to keep on guessing who's the person Sakura loves but at the same time he has given us plenty of clues to figure out on our own with the development Naruto and Sakura has since the beginning of the manga.

If Sakura still has some romantic feelings for Sasuke then the only way for her to erase them completely is if the bench scene is resolve, which no doubt that Kishi will bring it in the future.

[Derock]

If Sakura still has some romantic feelings for Sasuke then the only way for her to erase them completely is if the bench scene is resolve, which no doubt that Kishi will bring it in the future.

I still say the Strike system should play here. The bench scene looks like a boost point for moving on towards Naruto.

[Gravenimage]

that trans is out of date almost a year

as for the interview @cloudy kish said honest girl inresponce to the sakura bashing kish loves both naruto an sakura kish would be upset with some people who treat his characters like crap.
i would bet money sakura is kish favorite female character

Goku-san I believe Kishi said his favorite female character is Tenten which is hard to believe she's the character from the rookie 9 who has the lowest panel count in the entire manga. As for his fav male character it's Gaara.