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[True]

Hm, you bring up a good point Bryon! It was Aizen after all who brought the Vizards to their current predicament and Shinji wants to showcase that he doesn't require his hollow powers to defeat him. It may seem foolish to do so against an opponent of Aizens' caliber, but one of the big themes in Bleach has always been about pride and that plays a major impact when two people fight against one another especially if they hold a major impact on their life. Shinji is easily one of the strongest characters in the series but I don't think he could push Aizen to his full limit.

[Cloud]

Go, Shinji!

Show evil four-eyes who the boss! :3

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Hm, you bring up a good point Bryon! It was Aizen after all who brought the Vizards to their current predicament and Shinji wants to showcase that he doesn't require his hollow powers to defeat him. It may seem foolish to do so against an opponent of Aizens' caliber, but one of the big themes in Bleach has always been about pride and that plays a major impact when two people fight against one another especially if they hold a major impact on their life. Shinji is easily one of the strongest characters in the series but I don't think he could push Aizen to his full limit.

Exactly. Of course, it won't be an easy fight. As we saw, even in his Bankai and with his wounds healed somewhat, Ichigo couldn't even do jack to Aizen, but he managed to come off better than Renji somewhat. And as good as Shinji is, having beenb a former captain, Aizen has done methods to make himself stronger... if he's even a human originally. But we still do NOT know the full extent of Aizen's power or Shinji's, and I hope we get to see it, unless Shinji ends up pwned. =/ And besides, Aizen may be the main enemy, but there's still Gin, Kaname, Starrk, Hallibel, Barragan, and Wonderweiss to deal with, and Wonderweiss' pet Superchunky and the odd abilities it has left if anything...

I can't wait for these as well as to see Yammy in action!

Pardon me for switching gears, guys, but do you think anyone outside of Aizen, Kaname, and Gin knew about Yammy being Espada 0 when he Releases Ira at max power? I mean, the way the others treated him makes you think they had no clue whatsover, and in his state as 10th Espada, he seemed fine with just taking orders from the others, in spite of the fact he's stronger than them at his max... it's one of those mysteries I wanna see explained, since I bet Aizen had Yammy in mind as a secret weapon to deceive his enemies, then crush them.

Bryon

[Dreamer]

Exactly. Of course, it won't be an easy fight. As we saw, even in his Bankai and with his wounds healed somewhat, Ichigo couldn't even do jack to Aizen, but he managed to come off better than Renji somewhat. And as good as Shinji is, having beenb a former captain, Aizen has done methods to make himself stronger... if he's even a human originally. But we still do NOT know the full extent of Aizen's power or Shinji's, and I hope we get to see it, unless Shinji ends up pwned. =/ And besides, Aizen may be the main enemy, but there's still Gin, Kaname, Starrk, Hallibel, Barragan, and Wonderweiss to deal with, and Wonderweiss' pet Superchunky and the odd abilities it has left if anything...

I can't wait for these as well as to see Yammy in action!

Pardon me for switching gears, guys, but do you think anyone outside of Aizen, Kaname, and Gin knew about Yammy being Espada 0 when he Releases Ira at max power? I mean, the way the others treated him makes you think they had no clue whatsover, and in his state as 10th Espada, he seemed fine with just taking orders from the others, in spite of the fact he's stronger than them at his max... it's one of those mysteries I wanna see explained, since I bet Aizen had Yammy in mind as a secret weapon to deceive his enemies, then crush them.

Bryon

I was thinking the same thing.

Just like True said i believe Shenji won't be able to see Aizen's full power, rather Tite wants shenji to put up a good fight with or get pwned, I don't think Aizen is going to be killed in this Arc because Aizen is just as smart or if not smarter than Urharha and with that said he's not going to take a chance putting himself out in the open like that unless he's 100% confident in his plans.

Seeing Aizen just smile back at Shenji gave me the idea that Aizen isn't worried about Shenji at all. On a personal side note i still believe it will be Ichigo who will defeat Aizen later on and i hope Ichigo can achieve/control that new Vizard/Vasto Lorde state he was in while he fights against Yammy, which will also benefit him if he goes back to the soul society to help the others out and give us a disturbed look from Aizen's face.

Edited by 6thHokage, 17 July 2009 - 12:39 AM.

[Cupcake-chan]

Seeing Aizen just smile back at Shenji gave me the idea that Aizen isn't worried about Shenji at all.

I have to agree that Aizen seemed too calm, I just hope that Shinji beats the hell out of Aizen, because he annoys me soo much!

[Miss Soupy]

Exactly. Of course, it won't be an easy fight. As we saw, even in his Bankai and with his wounds healed somewhat, Ichigo couldn't even do jack to Aizen, but he managed to come off better than Renji somewhat. And as good as Shinji is, having beenb a former captain, Aizen has done methods to make himself stronger... if he's even a human originally. But we still do NOT know the full extent of Aizen's power or Shinji's, and I hope we get to see it, unless Shinji ends up pwned. =/ And besides, Aizen may be the main enemy, but there's still Gin, Kaname, Starrk, Hallibel, Barragan, and Wonderweiss to deal with, and Wonderweiss' pet Superchunky and the odd abilities it has left if anything...

Shinji is going to be owned. Ichigo is the main character, he has to defeat Aizen XD Though I'm sure we will see a good deal of his power at least. Something could easily get in the way of the fight too, I suppose. But, as far as shounen law goes, Shinji wont be defeating Aizen.

Pardon me for switching gears, guys, but do you think anyone outside of Aizen, Kaname, and Gin knew about Yammy being Espada 0 when he Releases Ira at max power? I mean, the way the others treated him makes you think they had no clue whatsover, and in his state as 10th Espada, he seemed fine with just taking orders from the others, in spite of the fact he's stronger than them at his max... it's one of those mysteries I wanna see explained, since I bet Aizen had Yammy in mind as a secret weapon to deceive his enemies, then crush them.

I really don't consider Yammy a higher number in general. Ulquiorra was probably someone he was closest too, and he knew of Yammy's power, as was shown when he commented on Yammy being 'fully recovered'. The way the two interact, Ulquiorra is definitely shown as the higher ranking espada. He asks Ulquiorra before he makes a move and acts more like a kid in a candy shop as far as fighting is concerned. Until we get more info on Yammy's abilities, I will view him more as a ticking time bomb rather than an espada that outranks Starrk XD I suppose, if Aizen wanted to rule S.S. anyways, he could leave his time bomb Yammy in Las Noches to destroy the whole place as well as those trapped within. Most likely Yammy's life would be forfeit as well.

Aizen: Yammy! Use Self-destruct!
Yammy: *splodes*

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Well, there is something else I wanna know that seems at times less trivial. But I am curious about. Will Rukia ever TRULY trust Ichigo to not fret over him all the time? I mean, she does get mad when he does it for her, yet he's a bit better about it when she frets about him, even if he tells her not to worry and stuff. It makes me feel as if at times, Rukia doesn't have any faith and trust in Ichigo to be able to stand on his own two feet without her needing to be there.

I just was curious since I've often theorized besides compressing SOME of his great power that Ichigo's been made to seem weaker because of how Rukia's words have affected him. Like when he fought Grimmjow, even if Hollow Ichigo was taking control, I think he was driven just to win, because of what Rukia said to him before the group split up in Hueco Mundo AND also what she said to him those two times on Earth.

I know I'm babbling, but I just wonder if she'll ever truly have enough faith in him to just stand aside and not worry about him whenever he's in danger or hurt.

Bryon

[Dreamer]

All Vizards in Color:

[True]

Well, there is something else I wanna know that seems at times less trivial. But I am curious about. Will Rukia ever TRULY trust Ichigo to not fret over him all the time? I mean, she does get mad when he does it for her, yet he's a bit better about it when she frets about him, even if he tells her not to worry and stuff. It makes me feel as if at times, Rukia doesn't have any faith and trust in Ichigo to be able to stand on his own two feet without her needing to be there.

I just was curious since I've often theorized besides compressing SOME of his great power that Ichigo's been made to seem weaker because of how Rukia's words have affected him. Like when he fought Grimmjow, even if Hollow Ichigo was taking control, I think he was driven just to win, because of what Rukia said to him before the group split up in Hueco Mundo AND also what she said to him those two times on Earth.

I know I'm babbling, but I just wonder if she'll ever truly have enough faith in him to just stand aside and not worry about him whenever he's in danger or hurt.

Bryon

Well I think she'll always be concerned for him since she essentially was to "blame" for turning him into a Shinigami. And because he was tossed into this world so suddenly she guides him (like during the first few chapters where she taught him how to be a Shinigami) in order for him to be better suited for the job. However we now see that Ichigo has come a long way and easily become one of the strongest characters, but still has lots to learn in terms of experience.

And another point to take into consideration is that Ichigo loves to fight. Ever since since his last talk with Shirosaki and him entering Huceo Mundo it has showcased him as prioritizing fighting (even if he denies it) and enjoying the thrill just like Kenpachi. That can be concerning to Rukia/Orihime since Ichigo is still very young and inexperienced and they hold him dearly and would not like him to get hurt since he isn't like Kenpachi and his craziness. The fact that he is now turning into a hollow and breaking the boundary of a "pure" Shinigami can be very concerning to Rukia - who hasn't seen his hollow form yet and I'm sure would be more worried than before. I do say it would be very interesting to see when he does eventually use his Vizard powers in front of her so we can see her reaction like we've seen Orhime and Ishida's. I'm very much curious to see his other Nakama reaction to it.

[Dreamer]

Well, there is something else I wanna know that seems at times less trivial. But I am curious about. Will Rukia ever TRULY trust Ichigo to not fret over him all the time? I mean, she does get mad when he does it for her, yet he's a bit better about it when she frets about him, even if he tells her not to worry and stuff. It makes me feel as if at times, Rukia doesn't have any faith and trust in Ichigo to be able to stand on his own two feet without her needing to be there.

I just was curious since I've often theorized besides compressing SOME of his great power that Ichigo's been made to seem weaker because of how Rukia's words have affected him. Like when he fought Grimmjow, even if Hollow Ichigo was taking control, I think he was driven just to win, because of what Rukia said to him before the group split up in Hueco Mundo AND also what she said to him those two times on Earth.

I know I'm babbling, but I just wonder if she'll ever truly have enough faith in him to just stand aside and not worry about him whenever he's in danger or hurt.

Bryon

Well i believe that is Rukia's way of showing her feelings/worried for Ichigo especially the change Ichigo has underwent like True said when she saw Ichigo's vizard form in the 2nd fight of Grimmjow that only lasted 11 seconds. It also is a part of what makes Rukia herself/personality. I do believe that their fight with Yammy that's about to happen, Ichigo will most likely defeat him and Rukia will come in terms to except Ichigo's new gap of power and ease off of the like smarty talk with Ichigo. Rengi already accepted Ichigo's gap up power as well as the other's and now it's Rukia's turn to accept with love.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Well I think she'll always be concerned for him since she essentially was to "blame" for turning him into a Shinigami. And because he was tossed into this world so suddenly she guides him (like during the first few chapters where she taught him how to be a Shinigami) in order for him to be better suited for the job. However we now see that Ichigo has come a long way and easily become one of the strongest characters, but still has lots to learn in terms of experience.

And another point to take into consideration is that Ichigo loves to fight. Ever since since his last talk with Shirosaki and him entering Huceo Mundo it has showcased him as prioritizing fighting (even if he denies it) and enjoying the thrill just like Kenpachi. That can be concerning to Rukia/Orihime since Ichigo is still very young and inexperienced and they hold him dearly and would not like him to get hurt since he isn't like Kenpachi and his craziness. The fact that he is now turning into a hollow and breaking the boundary of a "pure" Shinigami can be very concerning to Rukia - who hasn't seen his hollow form yet and I'm sure would be more worried than before. I do say it would be very interesting to see when he does eventually use his Vizard powers in front of her so we can see her reaction like we've seen Orhime and Ishida's. I'm very much curious to see his other Nakama reaction to it.

I do see that, but she also needs to realize that she'll have to ease back since she could hinder Ichigo from doing his job properly, like in the first encounter with Grimmjow when she told him to run and ended up getting herself nearly killed. It's things like that that worry me; where she prioritizes too much on Ichigo and fails to check her own surroundings and worry about her own safety, which leads Ichigo to worry about her and leads to her being a smartass to him about it. =/ It's kind of a dull cycle.

I know he does. But of course, what makes him different from Kenpachi and his Hollow self is Ichigo actually HAS a reason to fight besides just fighting; he wants to protect the people most important to him, even when everyone sometimes seems to tell him to NOT follow his instincts in that sense, and sauch. Of course though, I imagine that Rukia'd be quite scared if she sees Ichigo use his Hollow powers, considering even if she knows about it, she knows jackkitten til she actually sees it face to face. And even Orihime was afraid at first, but mostly because she didn't want to lose the side of Ichigo from his eyes, like what happened to her brother Sora.

Well i believe that is Rukia's way of showing her feelings/worried for Ichigo especially the change Ichigo has underwent like True said when she saw Ichigo's vizard form in the 2nd fight of Grimmjow that only lasted 11 seconds. It also is a part of what makes Rukia herself/personality. I do believe that their fight with Yammy that's about to happen, Ichigo will most likely defeat him and Rukia will come in terms to except Ichigo's new gap of power and ease off of the like smarty talk with Ichigo. Rengi already accepted Ichigo's gap up power as well as the other's and now it's Rukia's turn to accept with love.

I get it's part of her personality, but she makes it also seem like it's OK for her to worry about Ichigo, yet it's not OK for him to worry about her, since she tries to act all cool all the time. I guess it's bothered me some because it makes Rukia seem like she's a hypocrite to her own words and actions toward Ichigo. I too hgope that the fight with Yammy will allow Rukia to finally have some utter faith and trust in Ichigo, especially with all the things she's seen and heard him do, like beating Byakuya AND driving back a Gillian-class Menos.

Bryon

Edited by Bryon_Konoha_Ninja, 20 July 2009 - 09:27 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

^ You also have to remember that Rukia is quite a bit older than Ichigo. Ichigo is just a kid, and for someone like Rukia who is older and has seen a lot, it's probably easy for her to revert into an overbearing friend at times. She isn't used to having good friends like she has now, and she might not be the greatest at handling her worry. At the same time she is a soldier and knows how to act/treat other soldiers. I doubt she really views Ichigo and the other humans as soldiers like that, so there is a tendency at a gentler treatment, while she expects to be treated less gently herself.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

^ You also have to remember that Rukia is quite a bit older than Ichigo. Ichigo is just a kid, and for someone like Rukia who is older and has seen a lot, it's probably easy for her to revert into an overbearing friend at times. She isn't used to having good friends like she has now, and she might not be the greatest at handling her worry. At the same time she is a soldier and knows how to act/treat other soldiers. I doubt she really views Ichigo and the other humans as soldiers like that, so there is a tendency at a gentler treatment, while she expects to be treated less gently herself.

I'm aware... I just will give up then since everything everyone says is correct. I basically feel like all I've said is wrong, and that it's OK for Rukia to worry 'bout Ichigo and that it's OK for her to be a hypocrite when he worries about her.... I just wanted to know my thoughts could count, which is why I feel bummed out. I just feel like my thoughts would matter here besides people telling me basically the same thing.

Bryon

Edited by Bryon_Konoha_Ninja, 21 July 2009 - 02:18 AM.

[Kyuudaime]

Ya know... I'm really curious as to what Aizen's bankai and hollow form look like... assuming he has them.

[Miss Soupy]

All Vizards in Color:

I really like the color version Can't wait to see some of their releases *_*

[Dreamer]

I'm aware... I just will give up then since everything everyone says is correct. I basically feel like all I've said is wrong, and that it's OK for Rukia to worry 'bout Ichigo and that it's OK for her to be a hypocrite when he worries about her.... I just wanted to know my thoughts could count, which is why I feel bummed out. I just feel like my thoughts would matter here besides people telling me basically the same thing.

Bryon

Your thought does count and so does others, I do feel the same as you about Rukia can seem Hypocritical and worries about Ichigo. If you ask me all of the above defines Rukia's character. Like i said once she see's Ichigo taking on Yammy and beating him all by himself and maybe some more Espada as well, She'll accept the gap of power between her and Ichigo and with more faith/love.

[Illmatic]

I'm aware... I just will give up then since everything everyone says is correct. I basically feel like all I've said is wrong, and that it's OK for Rukia to worry 'bout Ichigo and that it's OK for her to be a hypocrite when he worries about her.... I just wanted to know my thoughts could count, which is why I feel bummed out. I just feel like my thoughts would matter here besides people telling me basically the same thing.

Bryon

I understand your frustration, and to tell the truth, it's irked me at times as well. But like Kubo and other people in this thread have said, Rukia has a strong bond with Ichigo, I don't think that she doesn't believe in his abilities (she's acknowledged his strength before) but she's concerned with his well being since they've been through alot together and understand eachother so much. He's young, and she doesn't want to see him make foolish mistakes. Though she should learn to take it a little easy on him.

Your thought does count and so does others

^^This too

Ya know... I'm really curious as to what Aizen's bankai and hollow form look like... assuming he has them.

I could only imagine, theguy's already a powerhouse, it's scary just thinking about the possibilities.

Edited by Illmatic, 21 July 2009 - 03:15 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Of course, it's not like anyone HASN'T theorized Aizen is possibly a Vizard of some kind. Although I imagine he's at a level beyond a typical Soul Reaper, maybe even beyond Captain-General Yamamato. And from his bio in the Databook, he seems as strong as him, but just stronger in one field. But of course, we don't know his peak yet, but we know even in the Turn Back the Pendulum series that he was as strong as that and then some if he could block a Kido from Tessai, the then-captain of the Kido Corps....

Bryon

[Kyuudaime]

I could only imagine, theguy's already a powerhouse, it's scary just thinking about the possibilities.

I mean seriously, what could a sword's (which ability is perfect hypnosis) like his be like in bankai, ya know?

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I mean seriously, what could a sword's (which ability is perfect hypnosis) like his be like in bankai, ya know?

I get the feeling his Bankai's power would be different. Some Zanpakutous have very different power in Bankai than they do in Shikai, mostly because I've theorized that Bankai gives a Soul Reaper what they truly need, even if they don't want it. Like with Soi Fon, her Bankai gives her long range options since she is mostly suited for close quarters combat.

So I can only imagine what Aizen's Bankai will offer him since Kyoka Suigetsu gives him the power of manipulation as it is...

Bryon