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[narusaku256]

Well its the same principal as Sakura and Chio did when they fought against Itachi trough genjutsu the caster manipulates the chakra flow in the victim's brain messing with his senses which causes him illusions and that chakra flow the way to get out of it is by disrupting the flow of the caster's chakra this  and that is what the Biju's does for Naruto or what Sakura did to Naruto i hope i was clear XD.
 
Realizing her feelings in the genjutsu would have worked but only if she didn't already know who Sasuke really is and since she already knows that he's not that great caring guy she thought he was even in P1 there is no need for it .

Yep! Indeed you were clear, I did understand the principle behind it XD.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's more of a matter of time. The words from others are what makes her surpassing Tsunade. However, visually, it hasn't show too much of it, so either we wait or we can only go by words. Again, matter of time.

[NaruSakuishere]

I honeslty don't think kishi will go through with the Tsukuyomi. I mean we seen it in RTN, and this arc has already been stretched to its limits. For him Just doing it over again would be a bit redundant.

[luffyq1]

I honeslty don't think kishi will go through with the Tsukuyomi. I mean we seen it in RTN, and this arc has already been stretched to its limits. For him Just doing it over again would be a bit redundant.

Flashbacks

[redragon88]

Agreed.

 

When Naruto surpassed Jiraiya, he surpassed him by not only the mastery of sage mode, but by also defeating Pein. Hell, Kakashi just recently stated that Naruto has surpassed all Hokages. Based on the pattern of this series, when someone surpasses another it's either explicitly stated or there is a obvious distinction in power level shown. Tsunade >= Sakura and that's only taking into account experience.

 

Hashirama did make a mention of her being stronger than Tsunade (strength wise), and her healing capabilities aren't shown to be inferior in any way. And as of this chapter it's shows that Sakura can also release the byakugo to it's full potential, and the byakugo from what I remember is the pinnacle of medic ninjutsu.

 

The implication is clear that Sakura has matched and even surpassed Tsunade a little.

 

Should this be reinforced by showing more panels of Sakura shining in order to bring the fact home? Yes.

Is there a complete absence of evidence to let us ponder if Sakura can match Tsunade? No

[narusaku256]

Btw guys now the whole Naruto world or the Shinobi Alliance to be precise especially Sakura chan knows that Naruto is the son of Fourth Hokage Minato and Kushina, right? It would be kinda a joy feeling to watch people refering him as the son of Fourth Hokage and saying 'Like father, like son'. Its actually a sort of paradox/irony(forgive me I don't know the right word) for the people that they shunned him probably because he never knew parental love and suddenly they come across the fact the the boy whom they shunned was infact the most royal amongst them. Its kind of weird but I just want to see Sakura asking Naruto, 'So...you are the son of Fourth Hokage, aren't you?' or perhaps its better to say, 'So....Fourth Hokage is your father, isn't it..Naruto?'

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hashirama did make a mention of her being stronger than Tsunade (strength wise), and her healing capabilities aren't shown to be inferior in any way. And as of this chapter it's shows that Sakura can also release the byakugo to it's full potential, and the byakugo from what I remember is the pinnacle of medic ninjutsu.
 
The implication is clear that Sakura has matched and even surpassed Tsunade a little.
 
Should this be reinforced by showing more panels of Sakura shining in order to bring the fact home? Yes.
Is there a complete absence of evidence to let us ponder if Sakura can match Tsunade? No

Observation, the streght side was because Sakura had more chakra on her punch simply because unlike Tsunade she wasnt restraining her power having to maintain her looks, so if Tsunade turned off her youthfull looks she would have the same strenght as Sakura.

Second, never was stated that Sakura healing powers were the same neither superior it was pretty much equal, but only Tsunade managed to heal herself and be alive after being cut in half.
She has senju heritage while Sakura doesnt have.

Which means that Tsunade has the downside of the seal lessened but Sakura is only a normal girl, using it she would theorically get old way faster than Tsunade.


The only way for her to surpass Tsunade was to shown a different jutsu or some kind of strong technique that gives her more strategical options.
Naruto surpassed Jiraiya because he mastered sage mode and had a better moveset.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 May 2014 - 05:45 PM.

[luffyq1]

 

Hashirama did make a mention of her being stronger than Tsunade (strength wise), and her healing capabilities aren't shown to be inferior in any way. And as of this chapter it's shows that Sakura can also release the byakugo to it's full potential, and the byakugo from what I remember is the pinnacle of medic ninjutsu.

 

The implication is clear that Sakura has matched and even surpassed Tsunade a little.

 

Should this be reinforced by showing more panels of Sakura shining in order to bring the fact home? Yes.

Is there a complete absence of evidence to let us ponder if Sakura can match Tsunade? No

That's why I said Tsunade >= Sakura. Even if her strength has surpassed Tsunade, it damn sure ain't by leaps and bounds. Hitting harder? Sure. But when it comes to experience Tsunade has that on lock. With Naruto it was his mastery of sage mode, the defeat of Pein, and also Rasengan. Even if Sakura has surpassed Tsunade, it's so insignificant that it's not even worth mentioning.

 

You're right, the queen needs more ink showing her skills.

[redragon88]

Observation, the streght side was because Sakura had more chakra on her punch simply because unlike Tsunade she wasnt restraining her power having to maintain her looks, so if Tsunade turned off her youthfull looks she would have the same strenght as Sakura.

 

Super strength is not related to the byakugo. Besides, Kishi wouldn't have made Hashirama say what he did to not take it at face value.

 

Second, never was stated that Sakura healing powers were the same neither superior it was pretty much equal, but only Tsunade managed to heal herself and be alive after being cut in half.
She has senju heritage while Sakura doesnt have.

 

I never said that Sakura's healing powers were greater, so I have no clue what you're talking about. Both Sakura and Tsunade reached the pinnacle of medic ninjutsu, one pinnacle can't be higher than the other.

Edited by redragon88, 16 May 2014 - 06:13 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Super strength is not related to the byakugo. Besides, Kishi wouldn't have made Hashirama say what he did to not take it at face value.

It's not related but it's related to chakra and the more chakra you have more stronger your punch gets, Tsunade had to keep her youthfull looks while Sakura doesnt need it and it was stated by Sakura herself not Hashirama.

[redragon88]

That's why I said Tsunade >= Sakura. Even if her strength has surpassed Tsunade, it damn sure ain't by leaps and bounds. Hitting harder? Sure. But when it comes to experience Tsunade has that on lock. With Naruto it was his mastery of sage mode, the defeat of Pein, and also Rasengan. Even if Sakura has surpassed Tsunade, it's so insignificant that it's not even worth mentioning.

 

You're right, the queen needs more ink showing her skills.

 

Well, every older character has experience on lock, so there's not much to discuss there. Can't train to make time go faster.

 

Sakura at the least has equal skills to Tsunade, and at the most she's a little better, but the difference is not mind-blowing. I guess Jiraiya was right all along, Sakura did become a "Second Tsunade".

 

It's not related but it's related to chakra and the more chakra you have more stronger your punch gets, Tsunade had to keep her youthfull looks while Sakura doesnt need it and it was stated by Sakura herself not Hashirama.

 

Youthful appearance is related to the byakugo. What Tsunade's youth does is hinder her ability to use the byakugo.

Edited by redragon88, 16 May 2014 - 06:12 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

 

I think everyone will initially be caught, think about it, Itachi's Genjutsu was something we never saw anyone break out of on their own, not even Kakashi, even Kurenai who was a Genjutsu specialist paled in comparison to Itachi's Genjutsu...now this is multiple times more powerful I would hazard a guess so being a Genjutsu master won't help matters, Sasuke might be OK because he has the Rinnigan himself so might be able to counter but he's also the one most likely to fall prey because he has been so easily swayed by words in the past so if he is shown a dream he desires he might grasp it tighter than others. Naruto will fall, he's been shown to be weak against Genjutsu, that's why I think it will be upto the combined concience of the nine beasts to wake him up.

 

This Genjutsu (I'm not calling it by it's name because I can never figure out how to type the name of it) had to be full proof for Madara to put so much planning into it. The only factors he never considered was Naruto and Sasuke, and I feel it has to be Naruto, ecause it has been his biggest flaw to date, he's fallen into Genjutsu traps over and over again, this is the perfect time to show him overcoming the biggest hurdle he has to face. I'm seriously hoping it's not going to be one where Sasuke is the one to get Naruto out of the Genjutsu, it has to be one he does on his own, or one where Kurama helps him get out of it.

 

With Naruto out of the Genjutsu the entire alliance is safe, except Orichimaru, Karin and Kabuto, (and with the amount of experiments Orichi and Kabuto has done on them they are probably safe, infact we might see what Orichimaru has planned when everyone is sleeping) he's shared his Chakra with everyone so that link is still there, the whole purpose of Naruto sharing his chakra was to give him a means to get everyone out of the Genjutsu.

 

As for how Naruto will get to Madara, you forget Seven Tails (Chomie?) has wings, and we saw Fu use the wings when fighting against Naruto, so he has the means to fly.

 

 

 

 

Well the fandom would obviously say it's because she has so little chakra that she didn't have to surpress much to get out of it :-p Actually come to think of it because she has her seal released at the moment, she might actually not fall prey to the Genjutsu because the seal is providing her chakra at the moment, it could be classed as an external sourse, it's her own chakra but it is coming from somewhere other than her chakra network.

 

Well, Sasuke was able to break out of it once during his fight with him.  However, as you said, the Tsuki no Mei is multiple times more powerful.  How do you expect anyone to break out of it, if it's stronger than Itachi's Tsukiyomi that could control a person's sense of time? Also, the Infinite Tsukiyomi as we saw during Hagoromo's flashback/monologue, uses the Shinju to entangle and cocoon it's victims and link them to the tree as a sort of fertilizer.  Even If you are be able to wake up, you still have to get out those chakra absorbing vines. 

 

Naruto's shown to know the ways of getting out of genjutsu.  It's just that the Sharingan and it's other forms' genjutsu are so strong, that a shinobi needs another person with him/her outside the genjutsu to get out of it, unless that person also has a sharingan, in which it's the exception.  I have to correct myself, if your Itachi, it's impossible to get out yourself unless you have a another sharingan.  If it's Sasuke, you most likely can since he's not as skilled.  I'm going to assume Madara's genjutsu will be just like Itachi's.  As much as I want Sakura to show her latent talent in genjutsu, asking her to break out of the strongest illusion type dojutsu of a legendary shinobi is asking for too much.  Once you're in, you are just not able to get out of it, according to the information about it.

 

Oh, I forgot about Chomei.

[luffyq1]

 

Well, every older character has experience on lock, so there's not much to discuss there. Can't train to make time go faster.

 

Sakura at the least has equal skills to Tsunade, and at the most she's a little better, but the difference is not mind-blowing. I guess Jiraiya was right all along, Sakura did become a "Second Tsunade".

You're right. But there are rare occasions, like Hanabi for example. She's like 5-6 years younger than Hinata and was shown to be stronger. Sometimes experience factors in or in this case it can just be your work ethic.

[redragon88]

You're right. But there are rare occasions, like Hanabi for example. She's like 5-6 years younger than Hinata and was shown to be stronger. Sometimes experience factors in or in this case it can just be your work ethic.

 

I think we're seeing what experience is differently.

 

Hanabi was better than Hinata in those flashbacks because Hanabi has better skills than her sister, even though Hinata had more experience being older and having been trained for longer.

[Hiraishin]

Hashirama said that it "might be worse than Tsuna," but he had to have died when she was still fairly young, before she became a really powerful ninja and invented her own jutsu. Honestly what Sakura did at that moment wasn't any worse than what we've seen Tsunade do imo, and we haven't even seen her in her prime. Plus Sakura doesn't have to use chakra to keep up her youthful looks, while Tsunade does.

We haven't seen Sakura do anything that Tsunade can't do, and arguably better. Plus Tsunade's got a ton of experience. And it's true that she's got an affinity for genjutsu, but that alone isn't enough to make her surpass the world's strongest kunoichi. When she uses that affinity and develops her skill in genjutsu, then yeah, that's a different story. I love Sakura, but I don't think she's surpassed Tsunade yet. Eventually she will, especially because she's learned so quickly at a fairly young age (thanks to having such a great teacher), but imo she hasn't yet. Tsunade is severely underrated...

[luffyq1]

 

I think we're seeing what experience is differently.

 

Hanabi was better than Hinata in those flashbacks because Hanabi has better skills than her sister, even though Hinata had more experience being older and having been trained for longer.

Personality, in this case, should be factored in too, not just skills. I don't think Hinata was meant to be this warrior that her father tried to groom her to be like Hanabi.

[Nic]

yeah I think Hanabi being better than Hinata had far more to do with her lack of self confidence than actual skill.

[redragon88]

Hashirama said that it "might be worse than Tsuna," but he had to have died when she was still fairly young, before she became a really powerful ninja and invented her own jutsu. Honestly what Sakura did at that moment wasn't any worse than what we've seen Tsunade do imo, and we haven't even seen her in her prime. Plus Sakura doesn't have to use chakra to keep up her youthful looks, while Tsunade does.

 

Considering that his flashback of Tsunade was of her being a toddler it doesn't even make sense that he would know she has super strength. Maybe Orochimaru told him on the way to battle about Tsunade's skills.

 

But the point is that I don't think Kishi had any need to put that scene with Hashirama if he wasn't looking to build up Sakura as slightly stronger, just in the super strength.

 

The youthful looks come from sapping of the stored byakugo chakra. Super strength uses the non-stored chakra.

 

We haven't seen Sakura do anything that Tsunade can't do, and arguably better. Plus Tsunade's got a ton of experience. And it's true that she's got an affinity for genjutsu, but that alone isn't enough to make her surpass the world's strongest kunoichi. When she uses that affinity and develops her skill in genjutsu, then yeah, that's a different story. I love Sakura, but I don't think she's surpassed Tsunade yet. Eventually she will, especially because she's learned so quickly at a fairly young age (thanks to having such a great teacher), but imo she hasn't yet. Tsunade is severely underrated...

 

Sakura has literally become, like Jiraiya said, a "Second Tsunade". The difference is that Sakura can make bigger craters, but that's not a difference to go too crazy about.

 

Personality, in this case, should be factored in too, not just skills. I don't think Hinata was meant to be this warrior that her father tried to groom her to be like Hanabi.

 

It's a pity that Kishi chose to focus Hinata's story on her unrequited feelings for Naruto instead of making it about her becoming more fierce, yet retaining some air of elegance.

[Gojira]

I don't think Sakura will be able to break out of Tsukuyomi atleast not on her own. because skilled or not that would be kind of a major asspull

 

Also judging from Kakashi's words she's already aware that she's no longer in love with Sasuke

Edited by Pepsi, 16 May 2014 - 07:06 PM.

[luffyq1]

It's a pity that Kishi chose to focus Hinata's story on her unrequited feelings for Naruto instead of making it about her becoming more fierce, yet retaining some air of elegance.

Maybe Kishi will make this a learning experience for her. That tunnel vision can't last forever, right?