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[LadyGT]

 
I think it could have been handled better and not once again make Hinata out to be a fool. This idea to keep Hinata longing for Naruto like a lost puppy is now doing a lot more harm than good.

This chapter alone has made 615's idea of strength in Hinata a laughing joke.

Let's be honest: she just wanted to hold his hand.
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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I guess the reason why I didn't laugh is because I am not sure it was meant to be humorous. Was it supposed to be a joke or was it supposed to be a heartfelt metaphor? I think that is why I didn't laugh. I am confused on what it really was supposed to be.

It is not like she tripped on a banana peel and a laugh track was added. Naruto was dying and she tried running to his aid and just trips hard.

The funny part is that she tripped hard even with kyuubi chakra cloak.

[LuckyChi7]

One thing that's annoyed me to the extreme from NaruHina fans, Non-pairing fans in general is the amount of bashing they have towards Sakura. The only responses I hear from them is, "Sakura is annoying little b*tch who screams Sasuke." or "Please Sakura, oh my bad SUCKURA doesn't give a single damn about Naruto, All she does is abuse him for stupid kitten!!"

 

Well let me tell you one thing, Sakura isn't the same girl from back then. Look back to when Sasuke came back, what's the first thing she did (besides being shocked of course.) she was being very suspicious about his presence there. Plus when you look at Part 2 in general, take these as examples.

 

 

Rescue Gaara Arc:

 

• Sakura asks Lady Chiyo about The Bijju extracted from the jinchuriki.
• Chiyo responds "They Die."
• Sakura (concerned) looks at Naruto.
• He tells her that you're always moved by expressing tears.
• Sakura tells him she's concerned that... (Then Naruto interrupts him)

 

Search for Sasuke Arc:

• Sakura in tears rushes to stop Naruto after he went four tails.
• After Naruto returns to normal, Sakura immediately heals him.
• Her conversation about Yamato, and his reply "And I can tell just looking at you. How much you...."  

 

Immortal Arc:

• Right before the mission due to Naruto's injuries, She attempts to feed him ramen.

 

Pain Invasion Arc:

• Right as Sakura witnesses the destruction of Konoha, She screams (desperately) Please, Naruto you gotta hurry. 
• Sakura genuinely hugs Naruto after he deals with Nagato.

 

Five Kage Arc: 

• Sakura is shocked upon hearing Sai saying "NARUTO IS IN LOVE WITH YOU!!" 
• At the same time feeling guilty that She's burdening Naruto about the promise he made to her.
• Sakura desperately convincing Naruto to give up on Sasuke (due to her concern for him) (Though I'll let you guys be the judge of this one since it was the Confession scene) 

 

Fourth Great Ninja War:

•  Sakura worries about Naruto sharing his chakra to the alliance while facing Obito, Madara, and Jubbi. 
• Sakura rushes in to heal Naruto after Jubbi's attack.
• Sakura even gave a speech while the alliance was in despair from Jubbi's attack.
• Sakura continues to show for Naruto (since he's thinking about his friends while fighting Obito)
• And even now, when Gaara brought Naruto to them, Sakura blitz and asked what happened.
• Sakura desperately trying to save Naruto from death.   

 

   I don't mean to bash, but how do they not see this. It's absurd to see them react especially with the all the development I was able to list (Though if I missed any fill free to correct me). So based on this , I can tell that Sakura is different from what most Non Pairing fans, Naruhina fans (you get the point) have claimed her to be.        

Edited by LuckyChi7, 24 January 2014 - 08:22 PM.

[StriderC]

Agreed Sushi. It's not like I laugh every time I look at the panels. I laughed when I saw it regardless of what it meant and I was sort of disgusted all the same because I referenced 615 immediately and thought she took several steps back. She had potential and Kishi just continues to toss her character all over the place.

[James S Cassidy]

Let's be honest: she just wanted to hold his hand.
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The sad part is, I thought it was just my interpretation and a product of my own biased pairing nature. Now, after seeing this, I have to say that you are right.

Which is just sad. Maybe that's why I can't laugh at it. Just when I think she has grown up, or changed, or something she gets tossed back 10 steps.

You know what I just thought about? Hinata has become equivalent to the episode of Spongebob where he kept ripping his pants. Eventually people either got tired of the joke or he took the joke too far.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 24 January 2014 - 08:35 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The sad part is, I thought it was just my interpretation and a product of my own biased pairing nature. Now, after seeing this, I have to say that you are right.

Which is just sad. Maybe that's why I can't laugh at it. Just when I think she has grown up, or changed, or something she gets tossed back 10 steps.

You know what I just thought about? Hinata has become equivalent to the episode of Spongebob where he kept ripping his pants. Eventually people either got tired of the joke or he took the joke too far.

I think people just realized what they refused to acknowledge what Hinata character is, she's a side character who literally her relevance is connected to Naruto.
We all knew she would show up because Naruto is dying but we also knew that Hinata wasnt the one who could help Naruto because she's not the heroine of the story.
It's not funny when viewing the whole scene like this.
She could not help Naruto but it was funny because it was forced, she tripped hard with the byakugan activated and kyuubi chakra cloak, she also could not get up and a random ninja appeared and said the famous like "Are you okay?".
It's like Kishi himself materialzied on the story and said it clear "Hinata you're not the main heroine".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 January 2014 - 09:10 PM.

[Hiraishin]

I don't know, to me Hinata lost her credibility after the hug scene. If she was somehow relevant to the romantic plot, she should have had a reaction similar to Naruto's one when he saw Sakura hugging Sasuke in the hospital.

People can't say that the hug scene was platonic and that Sakura held him in a sisterly way, heck, all Konoha reacted to it with blushing.

Exactly! Even Sakura had a reaction somewhat similar to Naruto's when Hinata's feelings came into play (when she was healing her after her confession, then when she had her hand on his face in 615). Meanwhile, Hinata seemingly isn't bothered by Sakura (which is sort of weird - she must be subconsciously censoring her or something, she didn't even notice her this chapter), and Sasuke couldn't care less about Naruto and Sakura's relationship. Kishi left a trail that's easy to follow, I guess people just choose not to.

Definitely agree that the hug wasn't platonic. Everything, the atmosphere, witnesses blushing, the way Sakura held him, implies it wasn't. If it was so platonic, Kishi wouldn't have done all that, and he wouldn't have singled out Hinata in a panel and added a "......" (which I still don't understand, like what was she supposed to be thinking about in that moment?)

And about Hinata bashing...
I agree people shouldn't bash her on this forum because it's against the rules, but outside of that, I think people should do what they want. I do think that people go too far sometimes, but people will like and dislike different things. Even though it's not meant to be funny, some people might laugh, just like some people won't laugh at something meant to be funny. Not everyone has the same sense of humour.

And though some people are definitely making fun of Hinata as a sort of "revenge" against others bashing Sakura, not everyone is, and they're certainly not doing it because they feel that, as NS fans, they HAVE to. I've seen several NS fans expressing that they felt sorry for Hinata. In addition, I've seen people who weren't NS fans making fun of Hinata and people who don't even READ Naruto making fun of her. Kishi hasn't taken her character seriously (as in showing something outside her obsession with Naruto) in a very long so it's not surprising that other people aren't either. I don't blame them.

Edited by Hiraishin, 24 January 2014 - 09:19 PM.

[Hanabi]

some hinata fans laughed at hinata's fall too

[Kster95]

I dont think he meant any disrespect to Hinata but he was just trying to make up for his past mistakes of making Hinata look like a better heroine(Pain) than Sakura. This was just telling everyone Sakura is the main heroine not Hinata. Sakura is saving the main character and Hinata isnt doing anything which is how it should be.

[tricksie]

Exactly! Even Sakura had a reaction somewhat similar to Naruto's when Hinata's feelings came into play (when she was healing her after her confession, then when she had her hand on his face in 615). Meanwhile, Hinata seemingly isn't bothered by Sakura (which is sort of weird - she must be subconsciously censoring her or something, she didn't even notice her this chapter), and Sasuke couldn't care less about Naruto and Sakura's relationship. Kishi left a trail that's easy to follow, I guess people just choose not to.

Definitely agree that the hug wasn't platonic. Everything, the atmosphere, witnesses blushing, the way Sakura held him, implies it wasn't. If it was so platonic, Kishi wouldn't have done all that, and he wouldn't have singled out Hinata in a panel and added a "......" (which I still don't understand, like what was she supposed to be thinking about in that moment?)

 

The curious thing about the set-up of Hinata and Sakura's feelings toward Naruto/each other is that while Hinata has never noticed Sakura's feelings for Naruto (while Sai has, and Ino has said Sakura's hiding her feelings (which means that they're transparent enough to both see them and see that she's hiding them), Sakura has always registered Hinata's feelings for Naruto. Every single time. Kishimoto makes a point of showing Sakura with her mouth open, in surprise, and with exclamation marks in the speech bubble. 

 

I just wonder if the end game for the relationship stuff will be Hinata finally seeing things clearly, that Sakura and Naruto have always cared for each other, meanwhile Sakura, who has always acknowledges Hinata's affection, mistakenly believes that to be where Naruto's heart lays, until he corrects her mistaken thoughts with a kiss on the forehead. *sigh*

 

Lastly, I agree, that hug was not platonic. Sakura has always done loving things for Naruto (hello, feeding him at the ramen bar?), but she's not pushed him into it. (Almost like she's scared since making such a big deal about Sasuke in her youth?) Anyway, that's one of the many reasons I put much more weight on her confession to Naruto. I think it reflected her honest feelings in the midst of a loaded request. Almost like, as she said it, she realized it was true. It always bothers me how some of the anti-Sakura crowd calls her a liar, etc., when she's been steadily building in her love for Naruto. The confession may not have been smooth as silk, from either of them, but I think the feelings behind it were honest. And I think Naruto saying in front of Minato that Sakura was more or less his girlfriend was an acknowledgement of the confession.

 

Now, it will be interesting to see how Sakura responds to Hinata's feelings. All she knows now is that Naruto did not return her affections then, at the confession, and there is someone else who is very interested in him now, whom he has been shown protecting as well. 

 

If something were to happen in the end that made Sakura think that Hinata and Naruto had feelings for each other, I can see Sakura hiding her feelings (as Ino has said), using her fake smile (as Sai has said), and stepping back to let their relationship grow. (Aaannnnddd then Naruto steps forward and plants that kiss on her forehead!!)    

[MangaReader]

I think from this point onward, I'm done trying to sympathize with NaruHina fans... I always felt it was okay to maybe look at what they see, but I just can't see it after this chapter. If it comes down to wishing death on Sakura just to make your ship canon, then that's far more drastic then saying Naruto is only option #2 for Sakura ¬_¬ (thanks double hypocrisy)

[Strangelove]

Thanks a lot...

Wow, I mean, what is Kishi doing with Hinata?! For Kiba to be the one to tell her that her kekke genkai should help her, when she, the person in cause, should know better... WTF, really?!

 I remember Kishi once said he didn't like smart characters. So I guess he is trying to make her less of a Mary Sue by making her forgetful and clumsy. Of course this wouldn't matter to NH fans since anything she does is view positively, and they couldn't care less about her development...or lack of development with or without Naruto.

 

I just hope Kishi isn't going to make her into TenTen 2.0, but he is trying to show the audience that wrote those hateful letters back then, that the character they are confusing for the main heroine is not really that important in the whole scheme of things, by showing a stark contrast between her and Sakura, of course die hard NH fans will only see things through they're own interpretation and can only hope that Hinata will switch places with Sakura, even though the Sand Nimbus [It actually looks like Naruto is on a sand cloud.] has already left to who knows where.

 

 

 

On another topic, I saw an idea of the SO6P suddenly appearing in Naruto's mind, as something ridiculous. I kind of disagree, as a few chapters back we actually saw a glimpse of the SO6P inside of Naruto, when the Shingu's second form saw into him, so it is a possible foreshadowing. I take that, rather than replacing Naruto's sky blue eyes with those spiraling grey rings.

[StriderC]

I think from this point onward, I'm done trying to sympathize with NaruHina fans... I always felt it was okay to maybe look at what they see, but I just can't see it after this chapter. If it comes down to wishing death on Sakura just to make your ship canon, then that's far more drastic then saying Naruto is only option #2 for Sakura ¬_¬ (thanks double hypocrisy)

Ikr. I've seen folks saying they want her to sacrifice her life for Naruto as if that's gonna push toward their preference when all its likely gonna do is drive Naruto to find a means of saving her. It's ridiculous but whatever. Just shows thier desperation.

[六道仙人]

Forget about Hinata...

...

 

 

Chiyo: And Sakura... Next time, the one you'd help isn't a dying old hag...but the one that you consider as the most precious person...

 

Well, I guess (and I tightly hope) that moment is just coming perhaps....

[Chatte]

 

This is what i would like to call is Kishi's doing justice to her and her fans for all the Sakura bashing  like Kishi said (You say Hinata Hinata but i say she's not Hinata) and god dammit he was right , man i'm gonna have a kick out of this   you can not mess with the Kishi you just can't or you will burn     .  

You know, I have been thinking about the same thing and even talked about it with Morgaine about it and she can confirm it. As I was telling her, I am under the very strong impression Kishi is doing all this intentional. I don't know how to explain it clearly but I will try.

 

Like you said, in that JF interview back in 2010 (?) I think, Kishi was all suffocated with hate towards Sakura for her confession with  Naruto, how Sakura isn't a heroine and Hinata would be a better heroine, given all her character and the potential and the past and yadda yadda.

And Kishi at a certain point said that "You all say Hinata, Hinata! I [Kishimoto, the author of the manga who has a story set and knows what he's doing in his own story with his own characters] say she [Sakura] is NOT Hinata!"

 

At that time, Sakura's confession has just gone through and has just continued writing Hinata being a satellite for Naruto. I feel that in Pein Arc, Kishi kinda left an open trace on what to do with Hinata but after he saw all the hate Sakura gets because of a scene that supposed to be heartfelt [Sakura's confession] and because of a scene who shouldn't have impacted the plot so much, just to be done with that aspect of the character as well [Hinata's confession], he decided to switch perspectives.

 

And he's now portraying Hinata in a very bad way, like he's getting "revenge" on the people who told him all those things, on the people who sent him those nasty letters and whatnot. But in a way that they don't notice, in a way that it makes them stick even more, when he's actually just playing them and giving Sakura the spotlight she deserves, showing those fans that, like he said back then, Hinata is not Sakura.

And thus he creates scenes like this that show the total discrepancy between the two of them, Sakura and Hinata. Where Hinata could've been greater, given the potential she had as a char. in Pt. 1, Sakura takes the spotlight, because Sakura is the heroine and Sakura doesn't even compare to Hinata in importance in this manga. The plot revolves around 3/4 people: Team 7 and Kakashi.

The others are just characters that float around the plot in the hope they'd make a difference [except Team 10 , as Kishi has already expressed his feelings in regards to this team, he holds them very dear] and, additionally from what it seems, Karin because Kishi did gave her a connection to Sasuke.

And that is like to show everyone who bashes at Sakura for falling for Naruto that no, Sakura grew out of her love for Sasuke from Part 1, as he already foreshadowed back in Part 1 DB and no, Hinata doesn't holds the same importance as Sakura even though she's in love with the main character, the hero. That's all that she is. Period.

 

So now, as I said, I feel that Kishi, in a very sneaky and clever way, he's "taking revenge" and showing the real face of the manga, in conjunction with the pairings, that Sakura is going to be with Naruto, she is falling for him, no Sakura doesn't love Sasuke anymore and she might have never really loved him romantically, no Naruto still loves Sakura and yes, he considers her his girlfriend, no, although he received a confession from Hinata, it doesn't mean he has to, obligatory, reciprocate the feelings, and no, just because Hinata loves Naruto that doesn't mean she is Sakura or holds Sakura's importance in the manga.

And that they should respect him and his work, no matter who they prefer, as he already has expressed that each character is a part of him which means that when insulting Sakura, is like insulting him, especially since considering the level of endearment he has for her, and that they are not the writers, the characters are his and he is the one to decide what to do with them and how to write his story, not them.

 

So, yeah, this is kinda the impression that Kishi is giving me with the latest chapter and latest treatment of Hinata, to be honest.

 

 

Forget about Hinata...

...

 

 

Chiyo: And Sakura... Next time, the one you'd help isn't a dying old hag...but the one that you consider as the most precious person...

 

Well, I guess (and I tightly hope) that moment is just coming perhaps....

 

OMG, really?! That's what Chiyo said?

And then she said about being able to surpass her master.

 

Which means, Sakura will sacrifice herself for Naruto, in a way, but with a very dangerous medical ninjutsu, something probably developed by herself, but maybe similar to Tsunade's jutsu [Sozo Saisei/Byakugo], but given she's supposed to surpass her master, she'll somehow cancel the drawbacks effects and she has surpassed her master in the sense of both saving the love of her life and in medical prowess as well.

OMG, YES! - hope it happens. xD

Edited by Chatte, 24 January 2014 - 10:21 PM.

[Kster95]

Forget about Hinata...

...

 

 

Chiyo: And Sakura... Next time, the one you'd help isn't a dying old hag...but the one that you consider as the most precious person...
 

Well, I guess (and I tightly hope) that moment is just coming perhaps....

Yeah sure her feelings for Sasuke are there,but not even taking pairings into consideration I feel Naruto is the most precious person to her.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@chatte
I dont think so Chatte, i dont think Kishi is getting his revenge or what, he did the same thing with lot of characters on this arc, he did it with Sakura here
http://i29.mangaread...uto-4193171.jpg
http://i10.mangaread...uto-4193181.jpg

Then there's the scene with Karin wanting to have sex with Sasuke
There's the moment where Ino labels her love for Sasuke as perfect.
And etc...
I dont think he meant to bash Hinata's character either or get revenge.

[LuckyChi7]

Forget about Hinata...

...

 

 

Chiyo: And Sakura... Next time, the one you'd help isn't a dying old hag...but the one that you consider as the most precious person...

 

Well, I guess (and I tightly hope) that moment is just coming perhaps....

 

True, Chiyo didn't necessarily say give your life, but save some you really care out. So I'd probably wait and see how this volume goes. Then we'll see where it goes from there. I mean we just entered the midway point (focus) of the volume, and only 5 chapters are left. Unless this gonna have the obito flashback syndrome where 6 straight chapters (602-three-fourths of 607) focused on Obito becoming Tobi. Then I wouldn't mean having the 663-three fourths of 667 focused on Sakura and Karin.     

Edited by LuckyChi7, 24 January 2014 - 10:24 PM.

[Chatte]

@chatte
I dont think so Chatte, i dont think Kishi is getting his revenge or what, he did the same thing with lot of characters on this arc, he did it with Sakura here
http://i29.mangaread...uto-4193171.jpg
http://i10.mangaread...uto-4193181.jpg

Then there's the scene with Karin wanting to have sex with Sasuke
There's the moment where Ino labels her love for Sasuke as perfect.
And etc...
I dont think he meant to bash Hinata's character either or get revenge.

I don't think, sorry, we're gonna have to agree to disagree.

 

The scenes are totally different here.

And with Karin as well... but I am not in the mood to explain it now, honestly.

[megi]

@chatte
I dont think so Chatte, i dont think Kishi is getting his revenge or what, he did the same thing with lot of characters on this arc, he did it with Sakura here
http://i29.mangaread...uto-4193171.jpg
http://i10.mangaread...uto-4193181.jpg

Then there's the scene with Karin wanting to have sex with Sasuke
There's the moment where Ino labels her love for Sasuke as perfect.
And etc...
I dont think he meant to bash Hinata's character either or get revenge.

 

When did Ino label her love for Sasuke as perfect?? I don't remember such a thing. 

 

I'm really reminded of the UNIQLO trailer. What if, the first words that come out of Naruto is "Sakura chan"?