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#701 narusaku420

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:10 PM

Maybe is just an impression but on Deviantart after the last chapter I see lot of naruhina fan who insult naruto( said that he is an idiot) and many naruhina fan say that they sasuhina fan now huh.gif , I don't understand why they insult naruto and change they otp seriously I don't understand why yeah there was narusaku moment in last chapter but for make this mellow.gif , there is lot of sasuhina art now , and there is some sasusaku fan who are trying to deny the ns moment, I see a picture about sasuke who said sakura is her girlfriend mad.gif he deny totaly that it was a narusaku moment it's amazing how people get angry about last chapter and begin to change their otp, deny again and again and again and again the narusaku moment there is some naruhina fan who take the page which naruto said that sakura is her girlfriend and They doodle sakura and stand in the words of naruto and minato on this page and write other things like when minato Asks sakura if she is Naruto's girlfriend and They put "no soy novio hinata" (No. I'm hinata's boyfriend) as a level of Holocaust denial and rage is impressive, I usually do not judge naruhina or sasusaku fan but this is more than pathetic for me to no longer support their OTP who is according to them canon Uu and insulting Naruto just because he confirmed that he had feelings for sakura . Worse they deny that this happened in this chapter and try to make this like naruhina or sasusaku scene Uu for me it is illogical and miserable but it shows that it's almost the time to say goodbye to the theory of naruhina wave.gif, I will be objective, there is yet a little chance for me that naruhina will happen because for me if we have a neutral point of view hinata is the best choice for naruto, even if I'm narusaku fan I won't deny this, I can understand why so many people support naruhina and find that a naruhina end can be canon, I won't deny that sakura is still in love with sasuke so if me a narusaku fan can admit this why they can't admit this narusaku moment? If one day (it's pratically impossible ) naruto will kiss hinata accidentally or for an other reason I won't stop to support narusaku Uu for all that.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:15 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ May 24 2013, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well to be fair the filler isnt always Hinata based. Don't you remember that extremely detailed declaration of love from Naruto? Or the NaruSaku date? Or all those openings/endings? I think the anime just really highlights the pairings.



ive only seen a part of the episode when Naruto said he love Sakura to some chick but other that i havent watched the rest of the anime... hmmm.. i better catch up with the anime then, something to pass the time while waiting for the next chapter a_plotting.gif


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:16 PM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ May 23 2013, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol Kishi don't play. 631 honestly felt as if he was talking directly to the haters.


So you really think Kishi would just mess up and troll us? Well one troll moment does not mean a ship sinking nessesirly, I mean look at the stuff I listed naruto and sakura still have left to resolve, Kishi can't just erase that or leave it unanswered.

I can sense another ns moment by the sakura power up and naruto being amazed, this is possible I mean naruto has been impressed by sakura before. He always thought highly of sakura.

Either way you go about it, sakura is like Kushina, if anything this can be the tip of the iceberg.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:17 PM

QUOTE (ladyannelise @ May 23 2013, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ive only seen a part of the episode when Naruto said he love Sakura to some chick but other that i havent watched the rest of the anime... hmmm.. i better catch up with the anime then, something to pass the time while waiting for the next chapter a_plotting.gif

He's right. Anime is NS fans to the limit. They even twisted the part in the flashback where Naruto told Sasuke that he will beat him so she will be cheering for him, when he was only 8. There are much more. The whole Immortal arc got many NS inputs, including Sakura inspiring Naruto to keep it going. It's crazy. But yeah, they are Hinata fans as well.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:19 PM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ May 23 2013, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So you really think Kishi would just mess up and troll us? Well one troll moment does not mean a ship sinking nessesirly, I mean look at the stuff I listed naruto and sakura still have left to resolve, Kishi can't just erase that or leave it unanswered.

I can sense another ns moment by the sakura power up and naruto being amazed, this is possible I mean naruto has been impressed by sakura before. He always thought highly of sakura.

Either way you go about it, sakura is like Kushina, if anything this can be the tip of the iceberg.


I don't think that's what he meant. He's saying that Kishi is once again reaffirming everyone of who's THAT one true couple. Everyone who shouted canon ate their words for jumping the gun. I could see if there Kishi had resolved things with NS beforehand but he hadn't. Seemed like it was the other way around. Hinata will never catch Naruto's eyes the way Sakura does.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:41 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 23 2013, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's right. Anime is NS fans to the limit. They even twisted the part in the flashback where Naruto told Sasuke that he will beat him so she will be cheering for him, when he was only 8. There are much more. The whole Immortal arc got many NS inputs, including Sakura inspiring Naruto to keep it going. It's crazy. But yeah, they are Hinata fans as well.


True. It reminds me of one of my favourite NS filler moments during Naruto's rasenshuriken training when Sakura brought him a basket full of soldier pills. It was funny as hell. But at the same time very endearing. And her dialogue with Sai seemed so right. Oh, I'm getting sentimenal here.

 


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:47 PM

QUOTE (Syn11 @ May 23 2013, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True. It reminds me of one of my favourite NS filler moments during Naruto's rasenshuriken training when Sakura brought him a basket full of soldier pills. It was funny as hell. But at the same time very endearing. And her dialogue with Sai seemed so right. Oh, I'm getting sentimenal here.

Lol. It's one of the few times I thought Immortal Arc was done better in anime than manga. Anyway, there's so many of NS fan service, even in their filler arcs. Apparently, the last filler arc is having a director cut. Here's hoping for a longer ending with a better conclusion. Anyway, yeah, these guys are NS fans. I even got the DVD of the OVA.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:52 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 23 2013, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol. It's one of the few times I thought Immortal Arc was done better in anime than manga. Anyway, there's so many of NS fan service, even in their filler arcs. Apparently, the last filler arc is having a director cut. Here's hoping for a longer ending with a better conclusion. Anyway, yeah, these guys are NS fans. I even got the DVD of the OVA.


Well, yep. I still remember the anime scene on the hospital roof from the first part. When Sakura saw Sasuke and Naruto nearly killing each other, guess whose name she called first?

 


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE (Syn11 @ May 23 2013, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, yep. I still remember the anime scene on the hospital roof from the first part. When Sakura saw Sasuke and Naruto nearly killing each other, guess whose name she called first?

I thought she said stop it. In part 2, yeah, now it's Naruto she's worried the most. It's going to increase when the next phase/arc begins with Sasuke wanting to force everyone to see him as Hokage, whether they like it or not.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 05:09 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 23 2013, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought she said stop it. In part 2, yeah, now it's Naruto she's worried the most. It's going to increase when the next phase/arc begins with Sasuke wanting to force everyone to see him as Hokage, whether they like it or not.


She called Naruto's name, then Sasuke's. It's the Japanese original version. I don't know what she shouted exactly in the english dub.
I don't think that she didn't worry about Naruto in the first part. Maybe it sounds like absurd, but sometimes she expressed even more concern towards the blond than Uchiha.

In the second part Sakura is undoubtably immersed in her worries about Naruto's well-being and decisions. In the firsrt half of shippudden her want to find Sasuke rivals it, but then that yearning slowly fades away and Naruto gets the foremost attention. Thus, I don't see Sakura supporting Sasuke in his delusional Hokage campaign. She knows better than that.

Edited by Syn11, 23 May 2013 - 05:12 PM.

 


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE (Syn11 @ May 24 2013, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She called Naruto's name, then Sasuke's. It's the Japanese original version. I don't know what she shouted exactly in the english dub.
I don't think that she didn't worry about Naruto in the first part. Maybe it sounds like absurd, but sometimes she expressed even more concern towards the blond than Uchiha.

In the second part Sakura is undoubtably immersed in her worries about Naruto's well-being and decisions. In the firsrt half of shippudden her want to find Sasuke rivals it, but then that yearning slowly fades away and Naruto gets the foremost attention. Thus, I don't see Sakura supporting Sasuke in his delusional Hokage campaign. She knows better than that.

Hey syn11, if you have a wall of sakura confenssion why not post it in this tread, I believe many member will read it.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 05:20 PM

QUOTE (Syn11 @ May 23 2013, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She called Naruto's name, then Sasuke's. It's the Japanese original version. I don't know what she shouted exactly in the english dub.
I don't think that she didn't worry about Naruto in the first part. Maybe it sounds like absurd, but sometimes she expressed even more concern towards the blond than Uchiha.

In the second part Sakura is undoubtably immersed in her worries about Naruto's well-being and decisions. In the firsrt half of shippudden her want to find Sasuke rivals it, but then that yearning slowly fades away and Naruto gets the foremost attention. Thus, I don't see Sakura supporting Sasuke in his delusional Hokage campaign. She knows better than that.

Oh yeah, I remember now. I like how Sakura asked Naruto to stop Sasuke from doing something bad, but Naruto decided to accept his request to fight. The trust level switched to Naruto.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 05:24 PM

QUOTE (rocci @ May 23 2013, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey syn11, if you have a wall of sakura confenssion why not post it in this tread, I believe many member will read it.


Well... you asked for it.

About two years ago this passage was written for the sole purpose of serving as Sakura’s apology regarding her decisions and actions during the “Dispose of Sasuke Uchiha” mission. Especially, her “lame confession” as many people judge it. Those manga chapters gave rise to the spike of Sakura-bashers movement and even shook (in a nasty way) the certitude of those who love “NaruSaku”.

In my humble opinion, the majority of the hastily drawn conclusions (that if the superficial statements can be called “conclusions”) are one-sided and generally demonstrate cognitive idleness of the folk. For example, Hinata supporters, who praise this character’s recent boldness and sincerity, deny the similarities between the two confessions and scrutinize the differences in a biased way. In the end, the main defect of Sakura turns out to be the fact that she is not Hinata. And those, who sympathize with “that deceived Naruto”, just follow his insufficient perception of the situation. Because all of his flashbacks in manga refer to the genin past. Also, Naruto judges by his own stubborn standards, thinking that Sakura should never give up on Sasuke: of course, she should not, but it doesn’t necessarily imply that she should want Sasuke the way she wanted when they were twelve-year-old. Naruto is prone to simplify complex situations and not always wisely.

Obviously, Sakura still cares about Sasuke (denying it is the part where she lies to herself), but currently she cares for Naruto even more. Their relationship is not an infatuation, based on every girl’s dreams, but a beautiful progressive growth of sentiments which started from the beginning of the series. Naming Sakura “a late bloomer” is a very accurate description. You can say that the tragedy of her development is that there were no tragedies in her childhood: right up to adolescence, when she was nearly killed several times, had to protect Naruto and Sasuke, witnessed them fighting each other, suffered a painful fiasco concerning the first love, lost one of her teammates and experienced the full impact of being helpless. Haruno has never been accustomed to the death of her relatives and friends (in spite of her specialty in medicine), that is why Sakura panicked (natural reaction) after she had seen the outcome of Pain’s gravitation jutsu and called out to her most trusted protector (Naruto). Thus, there were no serious catalysts for her to mature in advance. If in the power and knowledge department we can follow parallels with her shishou, then, regarding romance and personality, Sakura can be compared not only to Tsunade but also to Kushina Uzumaki. What about her ethics? Somehow Sakura’s choice (particularly, her intention towards Sasuke) reminds me of what Chiyo did to stop her grandson.

Back to the confession. Both parties had made mistakes (I would not praise Naruto for his reply to the confession) that could be explained by the unfortunate conditions. Have you ever tried to pose and answer questions, to properly analyze the development and circumstances? Why did Sakura decide to confront Sasuke alone from the start, when it practically implied suicide and other grave consequences? Does she love the nowadays Sasuke? Why did Sakura meet Naruto in the first place when she could have gone straight to Sasuke’s location? Why did the kunoichi confess (in public, most likely, anticipating rejection) instead of just briefly informing her teammate of his comrades’ resolution and (or) releasing him from the burden of POL? Personally, I want to thank Kishimoto for such a plot twist because it clearly shows Sakura’s maturation:

1) yes, the “whole planning thing” (but she should have prepared better: instead, she was probably considering taking Sasuke with her to shinigamis’ realm or depending on sheer luck);
2) independency; taking responsibility (totally);
3) rational thinking (pity, not at Shikamaru’s level, but there were attempts)
4) and the most important - choosing priorities (Naruto and Konoha).

Maybe, her performance was not perfect (she didn’t do everything she could have done, as I view the situation) and she omitted several important issues (like Sai’s stunt with the clone; Naruto’s newfound determination and insight which included the elders’ involvement in Uchiha massacre, Sasuke’s sinister character change and her lingering affection which she tried to subdue), but, overall, the chain of her actions can be considered as the most adequate solution according to Sakura’s subjective view of events (the lesser evil). Sakura had mimicked (sub)consciously Naruto’s wish of stopping the river of hate by restricting it to her persona (same with Itachi who attempted at making Sasuke focus his loathing on the elder brother too) and finally breaking the noxious cycle. Obviously, under all that psychological pressure and enormous guilt, she ignored the deeper layers of the conflict and the simple rule: violence leads to violence. I personally believe that her demise by Sasuke’s hands would have devastated Uzumaki, making it definitely impossible to mend the bonds or bring Uchiha to the “light side”.

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 23 2013, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh yeah, I remember now. I like how Sakura asked Naruto to stop Sasuke from doing something bad, but Naruto decided to accept his request to fight. The trust level switched to Naruto.


It certainly did. Naruto had gradually become her solid rock since Sasuke went crazy because of his Curse mark.

Edited by Derock, 23 May 2013 - 05:51 PM.

 


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:06 PM

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I don't think that's what he meant. He's saying that Kishi is once again reaffirming everyone of who's THAT one true couple. Everyone who shouted canon ate their words for jumping the gun. I could see if there Kishi had resolved things with NS beforehand but he hadn't. Seemed like it was the other way around. Hinata will never catch Naruto's eyes the way Sakura does.



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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:20 PM

In light of Naruto's fairly clear answer about his relationship with Sakura, I'm curious. In what way would you guys prefer to see NS become indisputable canon?

A) Sakura melts into Naruto's arms in a big schmoopy kiss moment?

B) Naruto and Sakura have a serious conversation about their feelings for each other, then a kiss?

C) Sakura realizes privately how completely she loves Naruto, but still plays a little hard to get before the chase ends in a kiss?

D) Other (please explain)

Sorry if this has been done before....



Edited by KnS, 23 May 2013 - 06:22 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:27 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 23 2013, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In light of Naruto's fairly clear answer about his relationship with Sakura, I'm curious. In what way would you guys prefer to see NS become indisputable canon?

A) Sakura melts into Naruto's arms in a big schmoopy kiss moment?

B) Naruto and Sakura have a serious conversation about their feelings for each other, then a kiss?

C) Sakura realizes privately how completely she loves Naruto, but still plays a little hard to get before the chase ends in a kiss?

D) Other (please explain)

Sorry if this has been done before....

I think when Sakura is over with her feelings for Sasuke, and realizes that she loves Naruto then I say is indisputably canon. So, I'd say C. All is left to see how they'll be together as a couple.

Edited by T XD, 23 May 2013 - 06:28 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:34 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 23 2013, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In light of Naruto's fairly clear answer about his relationship with Sakura, I'm curious. In what way would you guys prefer to see NS become indisputable canon?

A) Sakura melts into Naruto's arms in a big schmoopy kiss moment?

B) Naruto and Sakura have a serious conversation about their feelings for each other, then a kiss?

C) Sakura realizes privately how completely she loves Naruto, but still plays a little hard to get before the chase ends in a kiss?

D) Other (please explain)

Sorry if this has been done before....


C, we deninatly need to see Sakura being tsundere/kushina style hard to get teasing before Naruto romances her by swooping in for the kiss wub.gif

Edited by HauntedCake, 23 May 2013 - 06:35 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 23 2013, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In light of Naruto's fairly clear answer about his relationship with Sakura, I'm curious. In what way would you guys prefer to see NS become indisputable canon?

A) Sakura melts into Naruto's arms in a big schmoopy kiss moment?

B) Naruto and Sakura have a serious conversation about their feelings for each other, then a kiss?

C) Sakura realizes privately how completely she loves Naruto, but still plays a little hard to get before the chase ends in a kiss?

D) Other (please explain)

Sorry if this has been done before....

Comedy.
NS is the only pairing that had comedic undertones, aswell as MinaKushi.
And when he does that it will be a funny moment i dont think i'll see a romantic moment but probably Naruto going to confess and she spoils that she knew it because of Sai.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 23 May 2013 - 06:36 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:59 PM

My favorite one would be something slightly coming and then an epilogue with Naruto married to Sakura, raising their child, therefore, being the MinaKushi 2.0 that lived a happy life.
You know, what Kushina wanted for them.
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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:00 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 23 2013, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In light of Naruto's fairly clear answer about his relationship with Sakura, I'm curious. In what way would you guys prefer to see NS become indisputable canon?

A) Sakura melts into Naruto's arms in a big schmoopy kiss moment?

B) Naruto and Sakura have a serious conversation about their feelings for each other, then a kiss?

C) Sakura realizes privately how completely she loves Naruto, but still plays a little hard to get before the chase ends in a kiss?

D) Other (please explain)

Sorry if this has been done before....


Personally, I would like to see an altered replay of the bench scene. Some comedy wouldn't hurt at all, but with a quite different ending because Sakura sure can stop Naruto's stomach ache.

 





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