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[TouKen4Life3g]

He confirmed there will be a fight between Naruto and Sasuke, but still i'm not sure about this whole sasuke redemption.
He does not care about the village, he only desired to protect due to his brother but if like Orochimaru hinted Sasuke chose a different path, Madara also wanted to protect his clan and the village which was his dream but he believes that his plan would bring them to another level, bring peace to the whole world, this is where i belive, Kishimoto improved sasuke's character a bit, to not be a guy fueled by revenge but with another objectives.

And also if Sasuke was just about revenge the final fight would be stupid.

Hm, you seem like you went through a lot of thinking. And...I actually don't mind this. I said that Sasuke in the end will be bad or neutral (himself). It would seem like it will be neutral or at least nothing vengeance. I don't know if he knows the power of the moon eye plan or what's capable of. Like is there other factors you can do with it? Maybe it will be like Code Geass where you can use the eye on people to be controlled but only on the condition you make. For example, he could make Naruto be very protective of invaders, to the point he will kill them. If that plan does exist, I for one want to happen and that will be a way for them to fight to their limit and save humanity.

[六道仙人]

Anyway, just seeing the raw... I didn't have the impression that Minato meant to bring Kurama's yin chakra to Naruto when he said "great present"...
"Finally I'll see my son. Until now I couldn't anything as a father to Naruto...I'll take him a great present!". I had the impression that with "great present", Minato meant state himself as present. Since he said that as a father he didn't anything to him, it would be a little odd if he's gonna to do the same thing he did after Naruto born, giving him an half chakra of Kurama and so a hard life as Jinchuuriki to his son.

But maybe I'm wrong...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Anyway, just seeing the raw... I didn't have the impression that Minato meant to bring Kurama's yin chakra to Naruto when he said "great present"...
"Finally I'll see my son. Until now I couldn't anything as a father to Naruto...I'll take him a great present!". I had the impression that with "great present", Minato meant state himself as present. Since he said that as a father he didn't anything to him, it would be a little odd if he's gonna to do the same thing he did after Naruto born, giving him an half chakra of Kurama and so a hard life as Jinchuuriki to his son.

But maybe I'm wrong...

Would be an asspull because he sealed inside his body, he didnt seal the kyuubi chakra inside the Shiki-Fujin he sealed it on his body.
But i dont even care i'm more concerned about other things.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 April 2013 - 10:41 PM.

[Namaenash]

This chapter simply throw away all the effort and build up for Naruto saving Sasuke. All those chapters (Sasuke Retrieval Arc in part 1, battle at Valley of the End, most of part 2 revolving Naruto), are simply thrown away and wrapped up by this single chapter. Sasuke has suddenly changed his mind just because he heard the story from all the previous kages.

Moreover, I don't get what Kishimoto is trying to convey with his manga. Karin was stabbed and almost get killed, and now we have her attitude towards Sasuke like nothing has ever happened. What an insult to woman.

This has nothing to do with pairings, but I anticipate we will have to take another blow due to an unavoidable SS moments. I think that'll be even worse from 615.

Inconsistent. That's all I can say about this story since the war arc.

[James S Cassidy]

Sorry...but what? It's not that simple. In abuse situations, fear is only a fraction of the problem. Never the whole thing. More often women or men are too insecure, either on their own or through conditioning, to detach from the abuser. They deeply believe if they change their behavior then the abuse will stop. It's more about control than it ever is about fear. And yes, when there is fear of some physical abuse, it's usually long after the emotional damage and conditioning has already been done.

That's not always the case either, Tricksie.

Not all abusive relationships are about insecurities, but also out of fear especially if one partner knows what the other partner is capable of. Control is the keyword here and you can control someone out of fear. It is not always about insecurity either as I have seen abused women who are fully capable of standing on their own and yet stay out of fear of being killed or possibly a child being killed. It can be that simple and I have seen it that simple.

And no, not all women in abusive relationships believe they can "change their partner."

So, yeah, you're right, but you're not always right. Fear is always constant. Even in your example there is fear, but a different kind of fear. This is why I remained general because I know there will be people like you who pick everything apart and take everything so literal. (Well, Karin isn't blah blah blah) Maybe I should expanded more to include all different types of abusive relationships and the the people involved. Men and women alike. I should have written the whole book down I used to study criminology in college, but I don't have that kind of time.

Look at Tina Turner's relationship. She describes her abusive relationship was out of fear, not insecurity. Then you have Stockholm Syndrome where the person falls in love with their captor, but this is a different story altogether. We also got abuse in ways that are not necessarily physical (in terms of hitting), but verbal, psychological, and even sexual.

It's all about power and putting the other in powerlessness, but not necessarily make them insecure. You make them believe they have no power in what they do and threaten them.

However, none of this applies to Karin. She is neither returning out of fear nor insecurity. I don't know if she thinks she can change him or she is just deeply fascinated to a point of masochism. Again, the biting thing is a bit weird as I don't know if she enjoys the pain itself or just the fact that Sasuke does it. If it is just Sasuke then it means she just had this huge attachment to him and completely obsessed. Which is sad.

[六道仙人]

This chapter simply throw away all the effort and build up for Naruto saving Sasuke. All those chapters (Sasuke Retrieval Arc in part 1, battle at Valley of the End, most of part 2 revolving Naruto), are simply thrown away and wrapped up by this single chapter. Sasuke has suddenly changed his mind just because he heard the story from all the previous kages.

Moreover, I don't get what Kishimoto is trying to convey with his manga. Karin was stabbed and almost get killed, and now we have her attitude towards Sasuke like nothing has ever happened. What an insult to woman.

This has nothing to do with pairings, but I anticipate we will have to take another blow due to an unavoidable SS moments. I think that'll be even worse from 615.

Inconsistent. That's all I can say about this story since the war arc.

I think that some SS moments in war are inevitable, but not necessarily canon. If Naruto will get Sakura, it must be some SS moments before the definitive choice.

[sushi.]

I think that some SS moments in war are inevitable, but not necessarily canon. If Naruto will get Sakura, it must be some SS moments before the definitive choice.

I think the future SS moment will be an anti from my side, but for pro for others.

For instance, Hinata jumping in front of Pain is a favourite moment for some NH fans, but it gave me even more reason for them not to be together, and to dislike the pairing. Same with 615. From a neutral point of view, I think the SS bond will reach a new stage, but Kishi includes very positive and very negative things within pairing moments and we can choose how to look at it. The only exception being Sakura's hug. :3

Edited by sushi., 14 April 2013 - 12:48 AM.

[Don-kun]

This chapter simply throw away all the effort and build up for Naruto saving Sasuke. All those chapters (Sasuke Retrieval Arc in part 1, battle at Valley of the End, most of part 2 revolving Naruto), are simply thrown away and wrapped up by this single chapter. Sasuke has suddenly changed his mind just because he heard the story from all the previous kages.

Moreover, I don't get what Kishimoto is trying to convey with his manga. Karin was stabbed and almost get killed, and now we have her attitude towards Sasuke like nothing has ever happened. What an insult to woman.

This has nothing to do with pairings, but I anticipate we will have to take another blow due to an unavoidable SS moments. I think that'll be even worse from 615.

Inconsistent. That's all I can say about this story since the war arc.

I think that some SS moments in war are inevitable, but not necessarily canon. If Naruto will get Sakura, it must be some SS moments before the definitive choice.

For both of you.
You believe there will be a SS moment, but for me if NS is meant to be the final pairing then I don't see any between Sasuke and Sakura. Unless you guys consider a pairing moment when two character involved in a possible pairing talk to each other, because I really don't consider this a pairing moment I see this more has character interaction or character resolution/closure.

What I consider pairing moment are those that imply a romantic hint, realization of romantic feelings, example: Yamato's speech, Sakura reaction to Hinata feelings towards Naruto, the hug with the reaction of the Villagers, Sakura wondering what are those feeling she has for Naruto, Naruto reason for not talking with Sakura about his feelings, Kushina's advice, Hinata's confession and Naruto not saying anything about it yet, Naruto and Hinata moment is 615 etc.

For a SS moment to happen one of these events needs to happen or something very, but very close.

1- Sasuke admit that he always had romantic affection for Sakura or something close to it.
2- Sakura after seeing Sasuke decides that she will never stop loving him.
3- Any implication that Sasuke wants a future with Sakura.
4- Any implication that Sakura wants a future with Sasuke.
5- Sakura becomes a fan girl again.

If any of these moments happen I don't see why people would still believes NS still haves a chance?

Like I said If NS is meant to happen then Sakura and Sasuke will have their character resolution without any romantic implication or pairing hints.

After Sakura Summit arc event NS and SS cannot receive a positive romantic implication with out it being consider of final pairing.

Sasuke knows Sakura loves him, Naruto loves her and he was not a great person to her, if they can resolve these issue and have a positive romantic hint then there is no doubt they are meant for each other.

Sakura knows Naruto loves her, she knows Sasuke does not feel that way about her, if they have a positive romantic moment that means that Sakura wants to move on from her romantic feelings for Sasuke.

Hinata is a wild card, her character revolves around her feelings for Naruto, she always admire Naruto, she said she will stop chasing him after the war, she has never being shown hurt because of Naruto loving another person and she was shown happy in chapter 450. Because of Hinata character archetype Kishi can show that side of her character with out confirming any pairing, with SS and NS is not the same.


Oh and for Anyone who wants to counter by saying that Sakura can still loves Sasuke but that doesn't mean that he haves to love her back, well that is truth but it will also shows that Naruto doesn't deserve Sakura at all because even after everything that take place between the three she still wanted to be with Sasuke and not him, Naruto will need to forget Sakura and look for someone else.

Edited by Don-kun, 14 April 2013 - 02:43 AM.

[merryGOflava]

now that I think about it........I'm kinda insulted that they treated Karin that way......no women would seriously stay with some guy after they were stabbed by them(at least most women).

why does Kishi like making these sort of girls? they are horrible role models.

and it seems like all the girls just like sasuke no matter what he's done.....the dude can literally try 3 murder attempts against you and still be loved.
uncool.

I liked SK at first.....but not anymore, I thought Karin was better than that.

Edited by merryGOflava, 14 April 2013 - 02:10 AM.

[Don-kun]

now that I think about it........I'm kinda insulted that they treated Karin that way......no women would seriously stay with some guy after they were stabbed by them(at least most women).

why does Kishi like making these sort of girls? they are horrible role models.

and it seems like all the girls just like sasuke no matter what he's done.....the dude can literally try 3 murder attempts against you and still be loved.
uncool.

I liked SK at first.....but not anymore, I thought Karin was better than that.

You finally saw the light, Welcome.


Honestly this has to be a ploy by Karin otherwise this can be seeing as one of the worst insult towards the female gender by Kishi.

Edited by Don-kun, 14 April 2013 - 02:36 AM.

[merryGOflava]

You finally saw the light, Welcome.


Honestly this has to be a ploy by Karin otherwise this can be seeing as one of the worst insult towards the female gender by Kishi.

yea.....as a girl I'm surprised I didn't see the light sooner...XD I'm slightly disappointed in myself.

[Metalhead87]

Honestly this has to be a ploy by Karin otherwise this can be seeing as one of the worst insult towards female gender by Kishi.

I think there has to be more to it as well - her turnaround was awfully sudden considering what was done to her.

Edited by Metalhead87, 14 April 2013 - 02:40 AM.

[Gravenimage]

Let's get one thing straight. Sasuke isn't going to jump in and save Sakura during battle. It will be more of him saving Naruto because he's the one who has a more impact on Sasuke than Sakura. People are getting freak out again that now he has become good (for now) he's going to save Sakura bridal style (trying to make a parallel to Mina/Kushi when Kishi already gave that parallel to NS) he's not going to repeat a parallel. If it's not that they're expecting when Sasuke arrives on the battlefield Sakura will go gaga over him and ran to his arms to give him a kiss (remember this is part 2 Sakura not the fan girl from part 1). I'm my perspective I will see Sakura getting on edge if she sees Sasuke again remembering the last time they met he was willing to kill her twice and Naruto, I'm certain she will be next to Naruto to try and aid him if Sasuke does try to attack them. Now that I think about some have said that with Sasuke doing a 180 becoming good this is the chance for Sakura to finally choose between the two for good. It will be amusing when Sasuke arrives he has a brief conversation with Naruto and ends up bringing the bench scene making Sakura gasp (finally connecting the dots that it was really Naruto who complimented her forehead) leaving for her to choose Naruto for realizing the truth. I know it's a long shot but come on with how many asspulls Kishi has done in his manga it wouldn't be a surprise if he brings the bench scene now.

[Shadow1275]

For both of you.
You believe there will be a SS moment, but for me if NS is meant to be the final pairing then I don't see any between Sasuke and Sakura. Unless you guys consider a pairing moment when two character involved in a possible pairing talk to each other, because I really don't consider this a pairing moment I see this more has character interaction or character resolution/closure.

What I consider pairing moment are those that imply a romantic hint, realization of romantic feelings, example: Yamato's speech, Sakura reaction to Hinata feelings towards Naruto, the hug with the reaction of the Villagers, Sakura wondering what are those feeling she has for Naruto, Naruto reason for not talking with Sakura about his feelings, Kushina's advice, Hinata's confession and Naruto not saying anything about it yet, Naruto and Hinata moment is 615 etc.

For a SS moment to happen one of these events needs to happen or something very, but very close.

1- Sasuke admit that he always had romantic affection for Sakura or something close to it.
2- Sakura after seeing Sasuke decides that she will never stop loving him.
3- Any implication that Sasuke wants a future with Sakura.
4- Any implication that Sakura wants a future with Sasuke.
5- Sakura becomes a fan girl again.

If any of these moments happen I don't see why people would still believes NS still haves a chance?

Like I said If NS is meant to happen then Sakura and Sasuke will have their character resolution without any romantic implication or pairing hints.

After Sakura Summit arc event NS and SS cannot receive a positive romantic implication with out it being consider of final pairing.

Sasuke knows Sakura loves him, Naruto loves her and he was not a great person to her, if they can resolve these issue and have a positive romantic hint then there is no doubt they are meant for each other.

Sakura knows Naruto loves her, she knows Sasuke does not feel that way about her, if they have a positive romantic moment that means that Sakura wants to move on from her romantic feelings for Sasuke.

Hinata is a wild card, her character revolves around her feelings for Naruto, she always admire Naruto, she said she will stop chasing him after the war, she has never being shown hurt because of Naruto loving another person and she was shown happy in chapter 450. Because of Hinata character archetype Kishi can show that side of her character with out confirming any pairing, with SS and NS is not the same.


Oh and for Anyone who wants to counter by saying that Sakura can still loves Sasuke but that doesn't mean that he haves to love her back, well that is truth but it will also shows that Naruto doesn't deserve Sakura at all because even after everything that take place between the three she still wanted to be with Sasuke and not him, Naruto will need to forget Sakura and look for someone else.

The other thing that I want to point out is that for a true pairing moment to happen, the feeling must be mutual. For example, In every NH and SS moment these have been one-sided. However, for NS we have mutual moments where both characters react. For example, when she pulls her chair closer to him and offers to feed him, and then he blushes until Sai barges in.

[FoolishYoungling]

For example, when she pulls her chair closer to him and offers to feed him, and then he blushes until Sai barges in.

Sai deserves to die a painful death!!!

[Gravenimage]

Sai deserves to die a painful death!!!

Lol don't get mad at him I'm sure he didn't do it on purpose. He was trying to be a good friend for Naruto.

[tricksie]

This is why I remained general because I know there will be people like you who pick everything apart and take everything so literal.

Come again, dude? Sorry, but what you may think is being "general" I see as a gross oversimplification just to quickly win an argument. Specifically when you are taking someone else to task with your "facts on what abused women are."

Abused women do not really like staying with their lovers, they are forced to out of fear. Again, you never said this, I am just pointing out the facts on what abused women are.

Again, it's a lot more complex than that. I said as much in my last post. If you want to debate with me about it, then you can leave out the personal remarks.

[FoolishYoungling]

Lol don't get mad at him I'm sure he didn't do it on purpose. He was trying to be a good friend for Naruto.

Trying to be a good friend by cock blocking him? Naruto shall get revenge when Sai starts trying to find a love interest.

@tricksie: Hey, we're both from NC.

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 14 April 2013 - 03:17 AM.

[tricksie]

Trying to be a good friend by cock blocking him? Naruto shall get revenge when Sai starts trying to find a love interest.

@tricksie: Hey, we're both from NC.

Woot! North Cackalackey! There are a few others on here from NC, too! Guess we like our manga here in the Old North State.

[Shadow1275]

Sai deserves to die a painful death!!!

Agreed, maybe he will be the next to go