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[swagosaurus]

I'd ship the kitten out of SasuNaru too if he was a girl.

if only, kishi.

if only.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

except Naruto won't be happy. when was Sasuke ever good and selfless?

Sure he will. He gets to see his bestests friends of all his bestests friends happily together and will be the godfather of their firstborn. The baby's godmother will be Naruto's sweet blushing bride Hinata, with whom he fell in love earlier in the manga work. He will get made Hokage and will have achieved his dreams. His mother and father look on from heaven and shed tears of happiness at seeing their son so mighty. It's so beautiful, isn't it?

Sasuke was pretty nice when he was willing to sacrifice his life to save Naruto from Haku's attack. Or when he supported Sakura against the Sound Nin in the Forest of Death. Or when he was willing to die so Naruto could take Sakura and run while Sasuke distracted Gaara. Or when he decided not to ruin Sakura's life by letting her tag along to the journey to evil and darkness. Or when he helped team Taka in the Killer Bee fight. Or when he teamed up with his brother to take down Kabuto. You know, those times.


xxRomanceGirlxx, don't remind me. Spuffy all the way. And Tara, no!

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 22 December 2012 - 02:39 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Oh GOD YES. If Sasuke was a girl, I'd be such an extreme SasuNaru shipper xD. I'd love it to be canon. It probably would be my OTP, along with NaruSaku of course.


Weird how different everything would be if Sasuke was born a girl, huh?

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 22 December 2012 - 02:42 AM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Weird how different everything would be if Sasuke was born a girl, huh?

If the final twist is that Sasuke has been a girl all along, will you all convert?

[swagosaurus]

If the final twist is that Sasuke has been a girl all along, will you all convert?

no.

NaruSakuSasu OT3 baby

[redragon88]

no.

NaruSakuSasu OT3 baby

Oh MY GOD! YOU'RE A GENIUS!

[Nefertieh]

Thanks.

*thinks of Naruto after he fails to bring Sasuke back* "I promised Naruto... I said that this time... we'd be together." *thinks of Sasuke* "I swore that... this time I'd protect both of them."

Remember, at this point in time Sasuke was still relatively normal. I think what the commenter was saying that she made her promised Naruto, while Sasuke in this situation is more of a goal than anything else.

Isn't that rather consistent with Sakura wanting Sasuke back as well, not just because Naruto wants him back? Also, Sakura originally begged Naruto to bring back Sasuke, so Naruto made the promise of the lifetime. She didn't beg that because she knew how much Naruto would miss Sasuke, she begged it for herself because she loved Sasuke.

Well it is similar to why the fandom feels sympathetic to Obito, but not Sasuke. Sasuke became genocidal because the people that were killed was his family was killed. Obito did it because a girl he had a crush on died.

Similarly in the manga, Naruto and Sasuke have a very long, complex rival/ brother relationship emphasized to the death. Sakura, on the other hand, has hardly talked to Sasuke at all; at this point in time she doesn't even know the truth about Itachi.

Short answer: Yep, I do think that the story can be a good love story even if NS doesn't happen. But what I meant was, why would it destroy Sakura's character if she loved Sasuke all the way to the end and SS happened?

Depends on how you consider a character is "destroyed." What is Gaara remained a psychophathic killer for his life? What if Hinata remained as the silent wallflower? What if all the characters had no development at all?

The only person I can picture Sasuke with is Naruto, unfortunately. Even if Sakura did love him to the end.

Amen.


Cannot argue with the first two, they are both legimate problems for SS. Hypotetically: If Sasuke starts showing feelings for Sakura, would you reconsider the pairing?

I know this question isn't directed at me, but I just wanted to bring up the fact that I personally won't ship them, even if Sasuke returns the feelings. He attacked her, knowing she had her back turned. It's just too similar to real life cases where women return to their abusive husbands because "he promised he'd never do it again." Those promises never last.

Edited by Nefertieh, 22 December 2012 - 04:35 AM.

[Codus N]

I feel it's both. Hinata's feelings Naruto were initially very much a strength. It caused her to become more confident in herself and not run away, no matter what. Her admiration caused her to become more stubborn and determined. Even after she lost against Neji, she felt better and no longer hated herself. She tried and it gave her hope she could try again and next time succede. In Part 1, it was a very obvious strength. She could have easily directed that strength by building more self confidence into her destined heiress role and her status as a kunoichi overall.

Then Part Two happened. Now this is when her feelings for Naruto really became more of a weakness than a strength. She became a lot more obsessive over him than before (Funny because she used to stalk him lol) and sees being more important than anything else in the world. This is exactly why Hinata isn't developing. She's so Naruto-centric now, it's hard to even remember her other goals anymore. There hasn't been one mentioning of them. Only " This time, I'll hold your hand and walk with you. Naruto-kun, wait for me!" What else is there to her character now besides Naruto? Hate to say it but Hinata more layers in Part 1. Or, at least more potential. Hinata did develop a bit. She's a lot more confident than she used to be and is no longer studdering. The fact that she confessed and now wants to be with Naruto shows this. But it's really much more a libability now than it used to be.

That's my take on it.

Y'know, this leads to my opinion on the whole Hinata glorification in the anime. In part I, Hinata started off as a strong character compared to Sakura who was mostly bland. So, I can understand where the NH fans are coming from. For some people, first impressions are everything. Then filler hell happened. If you were an animation producer, which one would you choose?? pretty obvious who the choice is. Pierrot had to make the gap widen between the anime and manga at that time. But seeing as they did not know how Sakura's character would grow, they had to pick the other female character who stands out the most and that's why they chose Hinata.

Finally, Part II happened. Sakura started off stronger while Hinata faded to the background. But now in the last arc, it's flipped again. I'm confused as to what's Kishi's game here is.

Edited by Codus N, 22 December 2012 - 04:40 AM.

[Nefertieh]

Except that after Sasuke gets redeemed he won't be violent jerk anymore (well, he might still be a little bit of a jerk). He literally cannot be horrible violent criminal anymore, if Naruto's messiah no jutsu is to thriumph. He has to become absolutely and completely a good guy. Otherwise Naruto fails. His way of life, believing in people and changing them, fails.

It may mean he's less keen on murder, but not necessarily more keen on romance.

Consider this:

A man hunts down a lot of people, kills them for his enjoyment and to fulfill his existence. One day some guy talks to him and he changes his ways. Do you or do you not elect this guy to lead your local goverment? Because that's Gaara. These people have forgiven worse than Sasuke. They have literally forgiven and befriended massmurderers. This is not real life. In this comic people forgive horrible things and killers change their ways because teenage boy gave them a pep talk.

The Narutoverse isn't a democracy, Gaara was chosen by the people in power to control him. This was specifically stated in the manga. Then he won the trust of his village.

Because Kishi's themes are unconditional love, forgiveness and understanding. In his manga he shows that people who are given second chances grow to be loving and helpful members of society (Gaara) or will some other way prove themselves again (Nagato by sacrificing himself and trusting the world in Naruto's hands). Naruto's love for Sasuke will pull S out of the darkness he is in and help him to become a good, selfless (yes, you read right) person that he once already was. He will get a new start in life and will prove himself worth it. The new start will include a life with Sakura and they will have many beautiful babies and a cute cat. Love saves the day, everybody lives happily ever after. The end.

Or Sasuke will die a horrible death and everybody will gather around his carcass to mock him. Who knows. It's all up to Kishi, of course.

Sasuke will be married to a person he doesn't love, happy ending?

Edited by Nefertieh, 22 December 2012 - 05:30 AM.

[redragon88]

I find this image very appropriate:



I really felt that one.

And for a more cheerful mood here's a pic of Sasuke and Sasuko (his female version):



Sasuko, the cutest avenger in history.

[Chucky-kun]

Sure he will. He gets to see his bestests friends of all his bestests friends happily together and will be the godfather of their firstborn. The baby's godmother will be Naruto's sweet blushing bride Hinata, with whom he fell in love earlier in the manga work. He will get made Hokage and will have achieved his dreams. His mother and father look on from heaven and shed tears of happiness at seeing their son so mighty. It's so beautiful, isn't it?

Sasuke was pretty nice when he was willing to sacrifice his life to save Naruto from Haku's attack. Or when he supported Sakura against the Sound Nin in the Forest of Death. Or when he was willing to die so Naruto could take Sakura and run while Sasuke distracted Gaara. Or when he decided not to ruin Sakura's life by letting her tag along to the journey to evil and darkness. Or when he helped team Taka in the Killer Bee fight. Or when he teamed up with his brother to take down Kabuto. You know, those times.


xxRomanceGirlxx, don't remind me. Spuffy all the way. And Tara, no!

SS stopped when part 2 started, as you can see from your examples of SS, none come from part 2.

[rocci]

Y'know, this leads to my opinion on the whole Hinata glorification in the anime. In part I, Hinata started off as a strong character compared to Sakura who was mostly bland. So, I can understand where the NH fans are coming from. For some people, first impressions are everything. Then filler hell happened. If you were an animation producer, which one would you choose?? pretty obvious who the choice is. Pierrot had to make the gap widen between the anime and manga at that time. But seeing as they did not know how Sakura's character would grow, they had to pick the other female character who stands out the most and that's why they chose Hinata.

Finally, Part II happened. Sakura started off stronger while Hinata faded to the background. But now in the last arc, it's flipped again. I'm confused as to what's Kishi's game here is.

to finish the job and that is hinata developement before she back to her place(secondary chara)

[Chucky-kun]

If Sasuke was a girl, oh god, the ItaSasu fans....

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

xxRomanceGirlxx, don't remind me. Spuffy all the way. And Tara, no!

Wow! Those were my favorite couples too! Tara and Willow completely belonged together. I cried so ridiculously hard when Tara died! Poor Willow . It's just the feels ...! I completely adore Spuffy. Spike deserved so much more than what he actually got in the end. I wish Buffy gave him another chance. Spuffy & Willara forever. Oddly though, I have a ridiculous amount of feels for Buffy/Angel. It's one of my major OTPs. Maybe it's the angst or the selflessness or their similar personality traits but I just feel this strong fondness for them. I dunno, it's just one of those sad "Why can't they be together???" feelings I guess. But yes, those are my three favorite Whedon couples. Bangel, Spuffy, and Willara (Or Twillow ). I also have a soft spot for Xander/Anya. xD



@Codus N: Completely agree . I admit, even I liked Hinata a lot better than Sakura. I'm actually a former Sakura hater because I didn't see much potential from the series "heroine". Hinata seemed to have a lot more potential from the start so I sort of liked her. Given Hinata's cute moe background, it's understandable why she came off as more sympathetic and usable. I didn't neccessarily love Hinata but she was just more tolerable. Ugh ... Filler Hell. I watched all of those terrible episodes. Several weeks of my life wasted that I can't take back. I didn't know it at the time (Had no idea what filler even was) but looking back on it, I see Hinata so much in it and it now irritates me. 'Cause I know this was what created those ridiculously rabid, hardcore NaruHina fans. A constant headache of mine that I will eternally blame Pierrot for.

Hinata really, truly is the Filler girl. And it's not an exaggeration. She is the epitome of "Filler Heroine." And it originally made sense because Hinata was displayed in a much more flattering and pitying light. Now it's just stupid fanservice because Sakura is so much better than her IMO. In this recent arc, it did flip. Hinata is getting more focus than Sakura but who really knows how long it'll stay that way? The Sakura/Rin parallel is an entirely obvious direction to take Sakura's character. At this point, I'm pretty sure Kishi's trying to resolve Hinata's character development & NaruHina simulaneously so it's out of the way. How is the question we're all asking lately. Some of us are even worried.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 22 December 2012 - 06:21 AM.

[Zatheko]

Sure he will. He gets to see his bestests friends of all his bestests friends happily together and will be the godfather of their firstborn. The baby's godmother will be Naruto's sweet blushing bride Hinata, with whom he fell in love earlier in the manga work. He will get made Hokage and will have achieved his dreams. His mother and father look on from heaven and shed tears of happiness at seeing their son so mighty. It's so beautiful, isn't it?

Sasuke was pretty nice when he was willing to sacrifice his life to save Naruto from Haku's attack. Or when he supported Sakura against the Sound Nin in the Forest of Death. Or when he was willing to die so Naruto could take Sakura and run while Sasuke distracted Gaara. Or when he decided not to ruin Sakura's life by letting her tag along to the journey to evil and darkness. Or when he helped team Taka in the Killer Bee fight. Or when he teamed up with his brother to take down Kabuto. You know, those times.


xxRomanceGirlxx, don't remind me. Spuffy all the way. And Tara, no!

Earlier? If he ever starts to show feelings for hinata, it would have to be at the very end of the manga since were nearly at the end.

[Chucky-kun]

When's 615 going to be released

[GlucoseGlutton]

Awww dang it I'm guessing I'm the only one wants Naruto to be the girl .
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I mean look at that! I would ship it in a heart beat.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Awww dang it I'm guessing I'm the only one wants Naruto to be the girl .
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I mean look at that! I would ship it in a heart beat.

Amen.

[redragon88]

Awww dang it I'm guessing I'm the only one wants Naruto to be the girl .
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I mean look at that! I would ship it in a heart beat.

I get what you say, but the story of the female hero and the male anti-hero is already way overused. Not to say it isn't appealing, but reversing the roles looks way more refreshing to me.

Is not common to see stories of a male hero that falls in love with the female rival. Usually it's the girl that's associated with the side of light, so it would be a nice change of pace to see the girl being the dark one.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

When's 615 going to be released

4/1 the physical release but the digital one maybe be next week or only on 1/1.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 22 December 2012 - 11:19 AM.