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[ichaichamaster]

i think kishi does that twist stuff so that ns isn't so obvious. what do you guys think?

[Master_Naruto]

i think kishi does that twist stuff so that ns isn't so obvious. what do you guys think?

Definitely. Because of the twists NH and SS actually appear to have a chance which is what kishi needs to keep the other shipper fans from flipping out and stop buying the manga.

[redragon88]

Definitely. Because of the twists NH and SS actually appear to have a chance which is what kishi needs to keep the other shipper fans from flipping out and stop buying the manga.

I don't think he does it just because he's worried people would stop buying the manga. I think only an extremely small portion of his fans would actually stop reading his manga if something like that happens. Besides, it's only in the west that people take shipping so seriously. I'm sure that in Japan itself people don't mind it so much, they might care but not to the point of obsession as some people do in the western side of the globe.

If anything, Kishimoto might want people to believe that Sakura will only love Sasuke because he wants to surprise the readers when she finally chooses Naruto. The development and parallels are all in favor of Naruto and Sakura ending up together and the normal non-shipping obsessed readers probably notice it to. Kishi probably wants people to wonder why Sakura still doesn't fully love Naruto after all that has happened and thus make them doubt if she'll ever change her mind. The uncertainty of whether it will happen or not will bring even better satisfaction when it finally happens. That's what I think Kishimoto is going for with Sakura's feelings.

[Verilance]

I don't think he does it just because he's worried people would stop buying the manga.

I think he does it because it makes a better story if characters are more realistic, people in the real world have feelings for those who do not have feelings for them. People in the real world often make poor choices based on faulty assumptions.

I see this in Naruto as well

how things end up is anyone's guess I have my own opinions though

[kirabook]

Why is it that western fans are so different from more eastern folks? Why is everything taken so seriously to the point of obsession and twisting it so far to fulfill their fantasies?

I am from the west of course, but I really don't think I can care that much to wish people would die because of what pairing they choose. What happens happens, yeah, I'll be disappointed if it's not that pairing I've been rooting for, but... I can't imagine being anything else but. I'll get over it.

Is NaruHina vs NaruSaku really that serious? And I mean it for both sides, though I know from experience and with my own eyes that NaruSaku fans aren't nearly as vicious, we still have to accept there are some out there on the NaruSaku side. But I've been thinking about this since yesterday after watching a video or two.... when did the war get so intense and serious for some people?

When did this pairing war become a matter of life and death?

Why is it hard to see where the author is taking the story in terms of romance, is the bigger picture really that blurry sometimes? I'm not saying NaruSaku will happen absolutely, but it's ludicrous for people to put Hinata on the same level as Sakura right now. In the end if NaruHina does happen, there isn't going to be any in manga development most likely and it'll just skip to the epilogue with them together, much like other shounen do if they decide to marry the main character with a random side character.

*random rambling end, sorta*

More on topic though... I don't think Sakura will be surprised that Naruto becomes Hokage unless it's so sudden that even he is surprised. I don't think she'll blush or anything like that, but she will definitely be extremely happy for him and probably do something to celebrate it with him with all their other friends. If NaruSaku happens to be canon then, maybe there will be the cliche kiss after the celebration is done and over with, but that would be sweet.

[Dragunov]

Why is it that western fans are so different from more eastern folks? Why is everything taken so seriously to the point of obsession and twisting it so far to fulfill their fantasies?

I am from the west of course, but I really don't think I can care that much to wish people would die because of what pairing they choose. What happens happens, yeah, I'll be disappointed if it's not that pairing I've been rooting for, but... I can't imagine being anything else but. I'll get over it.

Is NaruHina vs NaruSaku really that serious? And I mean it for both sides, though I know from experience and with my own eyes that NaruSaku fans aren't nearly as vicious, we still have to accept there are some out there on the NaruSaku side. But I've been thinking about this since yesterday after watching a video or two.... when did the war get so intense and serious for some people?

When did this pairing war become a matter of life and death?

Why is it hard to see where the author is taking the story in terms of romance, is the bigger picture really that blurry sometimes? I'm not saying NaruSaku will happen absolutely, but it's ludicrous for people to put Hinata on the same level as Sakura right now. In the end if NaruHina does happen, there isn't going to be any in manga development most likely and it'll just skip to the epilogue with them together, much like other shounen do if they decide to marry the main character with a random side character.

*random rambling end, sorta*

More on topic though... I don't think Sakura will be surprised that Naruto becomes Hokage unless it's so sudden that even he is surprised. I don't think she'll blush or anything like that, but she will definitely be extremely happy for him and probably do something to celebrate it with him with all their other friends. If NaruSaku happens to be canon then, maybe there will be the cliche kiss after the celebration is done and over with, but that would be sweet.

Its just the way some people are in this world. Its unavoidable.

[Master_Naruto]

I think he does it because it makes a better story if characters are more realistic, people in the real world have feelings for those who do not have feelings for them. People in the real world often make poor choices based on faulty assumptions.

Yeah I agree with you here. I like what he's doing by making Sakura have such a hard time with her feelings, its building up the suspense of the pairing a lot. Maybe the reason that Sakura is so in love with Sasuke is partly because of the bench scene and what Naruto did...

[Jake]

Yeah I agree with you here. I like what he's doing by making Sakura have such a hard time with her feelings, its building up the suspense of the pairing a lot. Maybe the reason that Sakura is so in love with Sasuke is partly because of the bench scene and what Naruto did...

I know a lot of you all say that the bench scene will be brought up and will help Sakura figure out that she loves Naruto but I don't see how because if even if Naruto gives her the same compliment word for word I don't think it would work because right after saying that "Sasuke" said "That sounds like something Naruto would say", now I'm not saying that I don't think that a complament about Sakura forehead would help I'm just saying that I don't think the bench scene will have anything to do with it.

[Chew]

N/H and S/S, like other have said, are given the illusion that they have a chance- but that's fan speculation. For all we know, Kishi could flat out troll all of us and say HAI GAIZ I LIEK NARUHINA NAOZ, but I doubt that would happen. Given all of the N/S buildup and tension, the idea of N/H and S/S has to keep existing in order to keep the tension the way it is- suspenseful and distressing. But that's just my two cents

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I know a lot of you all say that the bench scene will be brought up and will help Sakura figure out that she loves Naruto but I don't see how because if even if Naruto gives her the same compliment word for word I don't think it would work because right after saying that "Sasuke" said "That sounds like something Naruto would say", now I'm not saying that I don't think that a complament about Sakura forehead would help I'm just saying that I don't think the bench scene will have anything to do with it.

are u still talking about the bench scene
get over with

[lord287]

I know a lot of you all say that the bench scene will be brought up and will help Sakura figure out that she loves Naruto but I don't see how because if even if Naruto gives her the same compliment word for word I don't think it would work because right after saying that "Sasuke" said "That sounds like something Naruto would say", now I'm not saying that I don't think that a complament about Sakura forehead would help I'm just saying that I don't think the bench scene will have anything to do with it.

It's true that bench scene won't change her if she still loves sasuke, because in comparison to other things what Naruto did for her the bench scene is nothing but if she chooses Naruto and then their is some thing related to that scene it will be really nice seeing it! Canon or not Canon won't depend on it at all! It will just give a little more push to narusaku if it becomes canon! Other than that i really don't think it matters much, just it might also help her make it 100% sure and feel speacial that the only person who loved her from beginning was Naruto!

CONCLUSION-bench scene won't change anything, but just can be shown to spice things up between them! or I should say make the things between them much more sweet after it becomes canon(if it does not bench scene won't have any chnc of appearing at all)!

Edited by lord287, 08 May 2012 - 04:55 PM.

[catsi563]

The bench scene wont change anything because it has allready changed. The Dynamic between the two has changed as of the end of part 1. The Bench scene will be confirmation of all thats gone before and be what Sakura needs to confirm her feelings and solidify them.

[Paptala]

Personally, I think that both Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and Hinata's feelings for Naruto are more about individual character development for both girls, than anything to do with the actually possibility of those pairings becoming canon.

I believe that because of the ridiculously one sided nature of the development of Naruto and Hinata's relationship, and Sakura and Sasuke's development. Hinata's feelings were always about what motivated her to change and grow, and Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, as she's working through them and overcoming them, are showing and progressing her change from shallow and immature to mature. Where's the effect on Sasuke? Where's the effect on Naruto? Where's the actual romantic progression of the relationship?

I may be beating a dead horse here, but I truly do think that the lack of reciprocation, of even hints of reciprocation, are critical to Kishi's plans for the final pairing.

Just my 2 cents.

As for the bench scene, I'd like it brought up again just for a nice touch bringing us back where we started full circle, not as an affirmation of feelings.

Edited by Paptala, 08 May 2012 - 08:59 PM.

[redragon88]

Personally, I think that both Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and Hinata's feelings for Naruto are more about individual character development for both girls, than anything to do with the actually possibility of those pairings becoming canon.

I believe that because of the ridiculously one sided nature of the development of Naruto and Hinata's relationship, and Sakura and Sasuke's development. Hinata's feelings were always about what motivated her to change and grow, and Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, as she's working through them and overcoming them, are showing and progressing her change from shallow and immature to mature. Where's the effect on Sasuke? Where's the effect on Naruto? Where's the actual romantic progression of the relationship?

I may be beating a dead horse here, but I truly do think that the lack of reciprocation, of even hints of reciprocation, are critical to Kishi's plans for the final pairing.

Just my 2 cents.

As for the bench scene, I'd like it brought up again just for a nice touch bringing us back where we started full circle, not as an affirmation of feelings.

I couldn't agree more with you on this.

Naruto and Hinata's relationship is all about Hinata's character growth.
Sakura and Sasuke's relationship is all about Sakura's character growth.
On the other hand...
Naruto and Sakura's relationship has always been about the development and growth those two have with each other. Unlike the previous two, this one has reciprocity between the two parties. Kishimoto probably chose to develop it that way in purpose.

I also want Sakura to learn that Naruto finds her forehead beautiful even if she thinks it's unattractive. Not because I think that will convince her to love Naruto, but because it's something that will bring a smile to her face. It will be a nice plus on Sakura's view of Naruto.

[Sojobo]

The bench scene has no importance to NaruSaku.
There are three major scenes :

First scene :

http://i2.mangareade...uto-1565070.jpg

Second scene :

http://i32.mangaread...naruto-5639.jpg

Third scene :

http://i17.mangaread...naruto-5799.jpg

The three scenes are linked.
(1)Sakura felt something when she saw him fight against Zabuza.
But it is something that she can't explain, that she can't realise. (Databook 3 will say the same words)

After that, everyone was thinking that this was no big deal.
But it wasn't, because Kishimoto insist about those feelings with (2)Sai's analyse before Kabuto's encounter.
Sai knows how people feels/cares about yheir friends, he knows this feeling because he felt it with his brother.
But Sai doesn't understand Sakura's feelings for Naruto. He read that kind of feeling in a book, but doesn't understand it.
We all know that he was talking about "love".
Sakura ? She just answered by a "?"

And than, at last, we have (3)Yamato's speech.
Kishimoto insist, Yamato was going to say something really interesting.
But he didn't finished his sentence...

What I try to tell is that "this" was done on purpose.

Those three scenes makes Kishimoto's intentions "obvious" to me.
You don't create scenes like that to make a SasuSaku or a NaruHina.

Yamato's sentence isn't finished, so it's obvious that Kishimoto will continue about the mystery of Sakura's feelings for Naruto.
Sakura is in love with Sasuke, we all know that, but she always showed that, but... at the same time she showed ambigus feelings for Naruto.
You can't say you see Naruto as a friend if you are already in love with Sasuke, and that you can't explain your feelings for your friend...

Edited by Sojobo, 08 May 2012 - 10:33 PM.

[Phantom_999]

What moment are you referring to? I'm a little confused.


I know that a superficial crush is a natural part of life, it has even happened to me. I wasn't trying to disagree with you on that fact when when I responded. I was trying to reflect the fact that just as we can get a superficial crush we also have the ability to get over it. That's what I was trying to talk about using Sakura as an example.

Also, I wasn't trying to accuse you of not seeing Sakura's changes throughout the manga. If I in some way implied that about you then I want to let you know that it wasn't my intention at all.

I understand that Sasuke will always be important to Sakura no matter how much she changes. My argument wasn't about her not caring about Sasuke anymore because of her growth, just that she'll come to understand that the love she feels for him is based on the wrong reasons. Sasuke will remain important to her and she'll defend him as much as Naruto does but she'll realize he isn't the man she wants to live and start a family with.


I'm not sure if we are on the same page here. I already know that both guys are important to her. What are you trying to say about a different story?

Whether Sakura chooses to be with Naruto or Sasuke. People are always acting like she can only love one and get together with one, while I say Both can be dear to her ( because I'm not sure if what she feels for Sasuke now can be considered love really but it's something) However she WILL pick one of them to spend her life with. Unless we get screwed over and there's only crack pairings.

why doesn't sakura call naruto naruto kun?

Doesn't need to. The lack of honorifics shows how close they are. Honorifics are generally meant to be seen as respectful, if not to have that romantic hint to it. But Sakura has always called Naruto just Naruto and It works because Japanese people only drop the honorifics if they are incredibly intimate with someone or just plain rude.

[Jake]

Personally, I think that both Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and Hinata's feelings for Naruto are more about individual character development for both girls, than anything to do with the actually possibility of those pairings becoming canon.

I believe that because of the ridiculously one sided nature of the development of Naruto and Hinata's relationship, and Sakura and Sasuke's development. Hinata's feelings were always about what motivated her to change and grow, and Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, as she's working through them and overcoming them, are showing and progressing her change from shallow and immature to mature. Where's the effect on Sasuke? Where's the effect on Naruto? Where's the actual romantic progression of the relationship?

I may be beating a dead horse here, but I truly do think that the lack of reciprocation, of even hints of reciprocation, are critical to Kishi's plans for the final pairing.

Just my 2 cents.

As for the bench scene, I'd like it brought up again just for a nice touch bringing us back where we started full circle, not as an affirmation of feelings.

I agree with you, oh and PETA is after you for beating a dead horse .

I couldn't agree more with you on this.

Naruto and Hinata's relationship is all about Hinata's character growth.
Sakura and Sasuke's relationship is all about Sakura's character growth.
On the other hand...
Naruto and Sakura's relationship has always been about the development and growth those two have with each other. Unlike the previous two, this one has reciprocity between the two parties. Kishimoto probably chose to develop it that way in purpose.

I also want Sakura to learn that Naruto finds her forehead beautiful even if she thinks it's unattractive. Not because I think that will convince her to love Naruto, but because it's something that will bring a smile to her face. It will be a nice plus on Sakura's view of Naruto.

I'd love to see Naruto complament Sakura's forehead telling her how beautiful he finds it fore the sames reason, I just don't think the bench scene will be involved.

[Don-kun]

I don't think he does it just because he's worried people would stop buying the manga. I think only an extremely small portion of his fans would actually stop reading his manga if something like that happens. Besides, it's only in the west that people take shipping so seriously. I'm sure that in Japan itself people don't mind it so much, they might care but not to the point of obsession as some people do in the western side of the globe.

If anything, Kishimoto might want people to believe that Sakura will only love Sasuke because he wants to surprise the readers when she finally chooses Naruto. The development and parallels are all in favor of Naruto and Sakura ending up together and the normal non-shipping obsessed readers probably notice it to. Kishi probably wants people to wonder why Sakura still doesn't fully love Naruto after all that has happened and thus make them doubt if she'll ever change her mind. The uncertainty of whether it will happen or not will bring even better satisfaction when it finally happens. That's what I think Kishimoto is going for with Sakura's feelings.

I disagree with your post.
One moment Sakura may seen to finaly fall for Naruto and the other moment she still think about Sasuke. What Sasuke is to her anyway? He rejected her love, he insulted her many time and also try to kill her.

Sakura has become one of the most hated characters after her confession and chapter 540. If Kishi ignores Sakura's feeling don't you think it will be better for her character, then surprise all the readers in the end. Making her still wanting to smile with team 7 including Sasuke is ok they will become friends again, but making her still haven romentic hope with Sasuke after all what happened between them is stupid.

NS make more sense than the other two pairing, but right now Sakura looks like she needs high expectation to date Naruto. I believe that NS's expectation are way too high. Naruto supports her, he care deeply about her, he inspire her, he has a big heart, he loves her, Naruto is now like a god like for everyone and Sakura will not even think about dating him, many now state that Naruto will need to be in an almost dead like situation for Sakura to finaly realize her feelings for him, fer her to finaly realize that Naruto is the one she really love and not Sasuke.

I said this before NS makes more sense than the other two, but 540 hurt us, also after Hinata's confession Sakura received Naruto with a hug and Naruto still loves Sakura, so we are in the same spot has NH, after Naruto did a lot more and save her life, she is still hoping for Sasuke to return and then to return her feelings.

You see If Kishi didn't Kishi care that the readers will stop reading his Manga, I shouldn't bring up Sakura confession to Naruto in that way and he shouldn't bring up chapter 540, Kishi only did that to keep all pairing balance.

What I mean is that he do care about the fans, Naruto and Sakura have a lot of development, if Kishi doesn't care then he will not show Sakura thinking about Sasuke and Hinata last declaration, I did it to keep people guessing, if he didn't care like you say then SS and NH will be the end pairing since Sakura and Hinata's feelings are the ones Kishi is focusing the most lately.
Don't you think they will be the end pairing if he didn't care?

[kirabook]

NS make more sense than the other two pairing, but right now Sakura looks like she needs high expectation to date Naruto. I believe that NS's expectation are way too high. Naruto supports her, he care deeply about her, he inspire her, he has a big heart, he loves her, Naruto is now like a god like for everyone and Sakura will not even think about dating him, many now state that Naruto will need to be in an almost dead like situation for Sakura to finaly realize her feelings for him, fer her to finaly realize that Naruto is the one she really love and not Sasuke.

This is kinda a pet peeve of mine in general. Just because someone is "godly" as you say does not mean the girl should suddenly be all over and in love with him. That's so shallow. She doesn't see Naruto as just a hero, he's her friend first, and possible romantic interest. She's not looking at a resume for love and the requirements one needs to be loved. If that were the case, Sasuke would have long failed on the job interview. If she only shows interest since he's a hero, then that makes her character seem like she never developed at all, because that's the reason why she loved Sasuke in the first place.


It may be a bad situation for Naruto, but Sakura probably does need a wake up call and a near death experience for her to finally come to terms with what she's feeling and what she wants. It's a very human thing to be conflicted until the breaking point. That's what procrastination is all about. You wait and wait and wait, but when you realize the deadline is approaching, you realize how important it is to get done and you finally do it.

Edited by kirabook, 09 May 2012 - 02:29 AM.

[Jake]

This is kinda a pet peeve of mine in general. Just because someone is "godly" as you say does not mean the girl should suddenly be all over and in love with him. That's so shallow. She doesn't see Naruto as just a hero, he's her friend first, and possible romantic interest. She's not looking at a resume for love and the requirements one needs to be loved. If that were the case, Sasuke would have been long failed on the job interview. If she only shows interest since he's a hero, then that makes her character seem like she never developed at all, because that's the reason why she loved Sasuke in the first place.


It may be a bad situation for Naruto, but Sakura probably does need a wake up call and a near death experience for her to finally come to terms with what she's feeling and what she wants. It's a very human thing to be conflicted until the breaking point. That's what procrastination is all about. You wait and wait and wait, but when you realize the deadline is approaching, you realize how important it is to get done and you finally do it.

I couldn't have said it better my self.