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[trang95]

I'm gonna try to get this kittening poster!

[DeathGodMack]

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[tricksie]

 

Please the people who are defending this are doing so by saying it is at the heart and soul of what Japan considers to be their traditional ideas on love. If that is true then I have a big problem with it.

 

I also have a problem with much of the Muslim's world's beliefs and how they treat homosexuals, and women. As well as many other cultures around the world including our own, because I have beliefs that I judge things by. A moral standard. I am not going to shut up just so I don't offended the multicultural team.

 

People have a right to their life, liberty, and self worth. Every person no matter who they are. I will not put my head down and just accept stupid ideas because "tradition", nor will I shut up about how horrible those ideas are under some bs about how "this is how Japan has always portrayed love." Because it's WRONG. Just because something has been portrayed positively for awhile doesn't mean it is something positive!

 

And this idea that you are bound to be with the first person you have some sexual attraction to, or else your just a horrible person? Is bullshit. And if it is a "traditional Japanese view" it doesn't make it any less of a level of bullshit.

 

Tiller, please stop. Generalizing any culture based on a few beliefs is wrong. No one's asking you to accept any ideas. But to assign a few crappy themes to an entire culture is not ok. It's like saying all Christians are crazy fundamentalists because of the awful guy in Waco Texas. It's like looking at the world through a straw.

 

It is ok to have whatever beliefs you choose. But on this site, you have to be tolerant and not bash other people or cultures. What you are saying is definitely veering into that territory.

 

Express your frustration at the appropriate source — the crappy handling of the manga and movie —and not at the culture and people who have NOTHING to do with Kishimoto's choices.

 

Tolerance is a rule of this site. Please don't break it.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

 You're absolutely right! NS is canon in the manga. There's no denying it! And they can never, ever erase that. No matter how many cheeseball movies they make! NaruSaku ftw!!   

 

I hear that, baby!

[六道仙人]

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if the poster is really this, then it's just a fanart made with photoshop :/ i don't believe that shop owner has a such poster, unless he is a troll :/

[rocci]

Bolt x Sarada is not NaruSaku 2.0
 
It's going to be Hetero NaruSasu

Salad is not mikoto 2.0 or should I call female version of sasuke.
Salad is sakura uchiha. Sakura with black hair and eye.
I think it would make naruto and sasuke a true brother through them.

[Askia31]

no way its that LOL deathgod just likes to post random stuff

Edited by Askia31, 24 November 2014 - 04:37 PM.

[Khaleesi]

 

if the poster is really this, then it's just a fanart made with photoshop :/ i don't believe that shop owner has a such poster, unless he is a troll :/

is not. that person always post ns and this is an edit we had here since the cd poster came out

[Illnevergiveup3]

I know people are tempted to say that why would they lie to their fans but the thing is... I believe this was set to see the fan's overall reaction after all... Plus, not once have they put the whole scenes IN CONTEXT. Why??

lol and not to mention Kishi has lied with a straight face for all these years. I wouldn't put it past him or the rest of them to do it again.

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 24 November 2014 - 04:39 PM.

[Michi]

So, we have Sakura's cherry petals in heart forms in her initial poster (funny how they changed it after that, I remember that after I wrote the theory, they took out the part with Sakura's petals on the background).
We have Sakura featured with the words she gives to Naruto in 663 on none other than the Cherry Blossoms season (aka april)
We have the new generation manga starting in spring.
And last, but not least, on Dec 6 we get a NaruSaku poster with Naruto and Sakura under a cherry blossom tree sitting next to each other, and from what the person says with special coloring.
 
COME ON, don't tell me you don't see it?

I think...imma cry again.

But I can't because I'm in class.

...kitten it.

Imma cry. LOLOLOL

Edited by Michi, 24 November 2014 - 04:38 PM.

[Tiller]

Did you read what I said?

 

Yes. Did you read what I said? I said that the people defending it are doing so by saying that this is Japan's traditional view of love. I have a huge problem with that if it's true, and I doubt I'm the only one.

 

I told you to separate manga from reality. If one girl has to stay in love with the same guy forever, my mother would not have divorced my father ages ago, my sister would not have dated five guys in all her life, STOP GENERALIZING. this is what I'm saying. Manga does not represent a culture.

 

That's because the people in your life are actually people. Individuals with rights who can live their lives as they please. That isn't the message the theme being promoted by this story though. And the big way I'm being told that we should accept this horrible line is because "it's Japan's traditional view of love." Well even if that's true it doesn't make it any worse! Which is my entire point! I don't care how traditional it is, that is a horrible idea that needs to be ridiculed when it comes up.

Does the movie SAW represent American culture? Why don't you go complain how you have a problem with brutal and cruel murder being promoted in US culture?

 

People do complain about movies like SAW in America! Their are debates about the themes of that film, and if the violence is worth showing to get into those ideas! SAW isn't seen as something that can't be critiqued! The people defending Kishimoto's line are doing so by saying "it's tradition". Now I don't know if that's true, but if it is it doesn't make it any more moral! America has been in the wrong multiple times as well. All I'm saying is just because an idea has traditional support it doesn't somehow mean that it's morally pure.

 

Tradition isn't enough in and of itself to give an idea cover, and that is what we are talking about here. Themes. Ideas. And the idea that a woman is bound to the first person she has any sexual feelings for or else she is some horrible person is a stupid and kitten idea, and no appealing to tradition is going to change that.

 

I for one wouldn't do that because I can see that movies and reality are different.

 

Stories are constructed to tell themes. Theories and ideas that the creator wants to show to his fellow human beings. One idea that Kishimoto obviously wants to show is that a woman who turns her back on a man she likes no matter how violent and horrible he is towards her is a terrible woman. That is a stupid and offensive idea. The people defending it by saying it's "Japanese tradition" aren't changing that fact at all. Appealing to traditions does not alter the fact that such a theme put in a story is backwards and horrible, and it shouldn't be seen as a positive by anyone who is thinking.

 

Iif that view is held as a positive like Kishimoto's defenders are saying, then it is a problem Japan as a cultural whole is going to have to deal with. That isn't to say that America or other culture suddenly have no problems. That isn't what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that if that view of love actually is a corner stone of Japanese ideal of love as people are saying, then Japanese culture is going to have to change. And no appeal to tradition or multiculturalism or anything else is going to change that for me. People have a right to their individuality and their own self worth. Everyone! Men and women. No matter their sex, class, sexual identity, or race or any other category you have a right to that. The theme Kishimoto is pushing is a slap in the face to that very notion, and I'm not going to sit around and not speak up about it just so I don't offend a couple of people. I'm sorry, I'm not going to be silent about it.

 

Now if the defenders of this stupid theme are just talking out of their ass, that's one thing, All I'm saying is if they are telling the truth that doesn't change how horrible this theme is at all.

[Askia31]

if that poster is that good looking it should be used as the new banner for this website.

[trang95]

 

if the poster is really this, then it's just a fanart made with photoshop :/ i don't believe that shop owner has a such poster, unless he is a troll :/

That's not the poster. That's obviously fanmade (I don't even like it tbh)

If you don't believe the store owner, then don't. But I believe what the tumblr user has told me and others; she sounds credible and wouldn't troll around with us.

[luffyq1]

mark your calendars guys. dec 6 is when we will have the last laugh.

[Yui]

mark your calendars guys. dec 6 is when we will have the last laugh.

I already did, a few weeks ago LOL, still haven't removed it since I still have faith   

[Swagkura]

The butthurt will be strong on December the 6th. The war ain't over yet

[DeathGodMack]

sorry I'm on my phone and it's super hard to use the site on mobile.

[六道仙人]

That's not the poster. That's obviously fanmade (I don't even like it tbh)

If you don't believe the store owner, then don't. But I believe what the tumblr user has told me and others; she sounds credible and wouldn't troll around with us.

 

I wasn't talking about that. I trust her since she lives in jp. But a poster...well, doesn't mean that NS could be canon at the end. They could make NS poster for marketing since she said hinata posters haven't selled really much.

[Chatte]

 

Yes. Did you read what I said? I said that the people defending it are doing so by saying that this is Japan's traditional view of love. I have a huge problem with that if it's true, and I doubt I'm the only one.

 

 

 

 

That's because the people in your life are actually people. Individuals with rights who can live their lives as they please. That isn't the message the theme being promoted by this story though. And the big way I'm being told that we should accept this horrible line is because "it's Japan's traditional view of love." Well even if that's true it doesn't make it any worse! Which is my entire point! I don't care how traditional it is, that is a horrible idea that needs to be ridiculed when it comes up.

 

 

 

People do complain about movies like SAW in America! Their are debates about the themes of that film, and if the violence is worth showing to get into those ideas! SAW isn't seen as something that can't be critiqued! The people defending Kishimoto's line are doing so by saying "it's tradition". Now I don't know if that's true, but if it is it doesn't make it any more moral! America has been in the wrong multiple times as well. All I'm saying is just because an idea has traditional support it doesn't somehow mean that it's morally pure.

 

Tradition isn't enough in and of itself to give an idea cover, and that is what we are talking about here. Themes. Ideas. And the idea that a woman is bound to the first person she has any sexual feelings for or else she is some horrible person is a stupid and sh*tty idea, and no appealing to tradition is going to change that.

 

 

 

 

Stories are constructed to tell themes. Theories and ideas that the creator wants to show to his fellow human beings. One idea that Kishimoto obviously wants to show is that a woman who turns her back on a man she likes no matter how violent and horrible he is towards her is a terrible woman. That is a stupid and offensive idea. The people defending it by saying it's "Japanese tradition" aren't changing that fact at all. Appealing to traditions does not alter the fact that such a theme put in a story is backwards and horrible, and it shouldn't be seen as a positive by anyone who is thinking.

 

Iif that view is held as a positive like Kishimoto's defenders are saying, then it is a problem Japan as a cultural whole is going to have to deal with. That isn't to say that America or other culture suddenly have no problems. That isn't what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that if that view of love actually is a corner stone of Japanese ideal of love as people are saying, then Japanese culture is going to have to change. And no appeal to tradition or multiculturalism or anything else is going to change that for me. People have a right to their individuality and their own self worth. Everyone! Men and women. No matter their sex, class, sexual identity, or race or any other category you have a right to that. The theme Kishimoto is pushing is a slap in the face to that very notion, and I'm not going to sit around and not speak up about it just so I don't offend a couple of people. I'm sorry, I'm not going to be silent about it.

 

Now if the defenders of this stupid theme are just talking out of their ass, that's one thing, All I'm saying is if they are telling the truth that doesn't change how horrible this theme is at all.

DUDE kittening STOP IT!

 

This thread isn't for your racial/political agenda, ffs!

[luffyq1]

Omg can someone fill me in? What'd I miss? D:

 

Naruto and Sakura under a cherry blossom tree on the NaruSaku poster appearing on Dec. 6th!

So, we have Sakura's cherry petals in heart forms in her initial poster (funny how they changed it after that, I remember that after I wrote the theory, they took out the part with Sakura's petals on the background).
We have Sakura featured with the words she gives to Naruto in 663 on none other than the Cherry Blossoms season (aka april)
We have the new generation manga starting in spring.
And last, but not least, on Dec 6 we get a NaruSaku poster with Naruto and Sakura under a cherry blossom tree sitting next to each other, and from what the person says with special coloring.
 
COME ON, don't tell me you don't see it?