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#7141 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 26 2012, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well it's horrible that feel.

But he didnt give up, so the problem there was that he witnessed that she really loves Sasuke, so he will only acknowledge that Sakura loves him if she proves it.
I doubt that words will convince him.

That's the biggest challenge, next to Sasuke's redemption. I mean to Kishi. He has to write a convincing story for each. Killing anyone of them to make on canon is a bad idea, changing Naruto's feelings to Hinata negates everything from past development, thus creating a bad storytelling, and of course, SS being canon without having some, if not, all the requirements to make it "good." NS has most of them, if not all. I remember there's a manga that actually list the requirements to see if that person loves another and turns out that girl loves the guy, which ends up being canon in the end. Anyway, it's all up to Kishi now.

#7142 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 10:02 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 26 2012, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's the biggest challenge, next to Sasuke's redemption. I mean to Kishi. He has to write a convincing story for each. Killing anyone of them to make on canon is a bad idea, changing Naruto's feelings to Hinata negates everything from past development, thus creating a bad storytelling, and of course, SS being canon without having some, if not, all the requirements to make it "good." NS has most of them, if not all. I remember there's a manga that actually list the requirements to see if that person loves another and turns out that girl loves the guy, which ends up being canon in the end. Anyway, it's all up to Kishi now.

SS being canon is already stupid because she's not special for Sasuke, and thus there's not only Sakura who have love interest for Sasuke, there's Karin who's close to Sasuke and Ino ( last words of Azuma to Ino was "dont lose to Sakura").
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 26 2012, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But the things she did towards naruto she keep inside her mostly she never spits it off only after the promise, naruto saved her from gaara and she was thanking sasuke instead of Naruto and the biggest trouble was before it she recognized that Naruto was strong, my mind was full of f**cks there.
Like hinata did "recognized that naruto was strong" but cant see him receiving any kind of hit that think he's going to lose and go to sacrifice herself.
SHe was like Hinata is doing now.

Sakura was like hinata on part 1, i dont care if she said those stuff because it always it's her thinking or saying it to herself, but her actions and affection demonstrations was all around sasuke on part 1.

She only fully acknowledge naruto on the end of part 1, when her development starts.


Oh? The Forest of Death? She outwardly used Naruto as a reference when talking about Sasuke when he froze up against Orochimaru. Then she turns around and protects both Sasuke and Naruto along with Rock Lee in the Forest. She outwardly cheers him on in his fight against Kiba. The only one who does so at that. She outwardly does this during his fight with Neji. She wasn't a b*tch to him in all of Part 1 at all and she wasn't like Hinata either because she wasn't looking at him from afar. She was watching him up close. If she didn't give a damn, she wouldn't of tried to stop both Sasuke and Naruto when they were fighting on the roof. No cheers, nothing so no, she wasn't as bad as some people have mad her out to be at all. She was annoyed by Naruto at first, but that all gradually changed as the series went on. It doesn't matter if some of the moments happened in her head. Doesn't change the fact that they still did, and it proved that she cared early on. Her actions DEFINITELY weren't all about Sasuke at all. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree good sir because we won't agree on this matter at all.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 10:09 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 26 2012, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
SS being canon is already stupid because she's not special for Sasuke, and thus there's not only Sakura who have love interest for Sasuke, there's Karin who's close to Sasuke and Ino ( last words of Azuma to Ino was "dont lose to Sakura").

Sakura is "special"...as a group. That's the problem. Sasuke is about the group that helped feel like home again. Naruto is similar, but he sees them as individual and each of them are special in their own way. He already said this back in Gaara's fight when Naruto was thinking about them individually. Sasuke is about the group and Naruto since that reflects on both of them. Naruto is a suitable brother for him, which is why we hear a lot about their bonds since this is not just Sasuke, but also Naruto, the protagonist. Not to mention, Sasuke is the door to go further for Naruto (Hokage, Sakura).

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 26 December 2012 - 10:24 PM.


#7145 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Dec 26 2012, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh? The Forest of Death? She outwardly used Naruto as a reference when talking about Sasuke when he froze up against Orochimaru. Then she turns around and protects both Sasuke and Naruto along with Rock Lee in the Forest. She outwardly cheers him on in his fight against Kiba. The only one who does so at that. She outwardly does this during his fight with Neji. She wasn't a b*tch to him in all of Part 1 at all and she wasn't like Hinata either because she wasn't looking at him from afar. She was watching him up close. If she didn't give a damn, she wouldn't of tried to stop both Sasuke and Naruto when they were fighting on the roof. No cheers, nothing so no, she wasn't as bad as some people have mad her out to be at all. She was annoyed by Naruto at first, but that all gradually changed as the series went on. It doesn't matter if some of the moments happened in her head. Doesn't change the fact that they still did, and it proved that she cared early on. Her actions DEFINITELY weren't all about Sasuke at all. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree good sir because we won't agree on this matter at all.

I'm sorry but she was, and forest of death meant nothing because he deconstruct on that orochimaru invasion when naruto fight against gaara, she was a b*tch to him, that promise was selfsish and it did hurt naruto too because she said "i'm no more will ask you anything bring sasuke back this is the only thing i want" again hurting naruto because naruto witnessing her proving that love sasuke again, that's why it bring all that flashbacks on part 1 when sai told her that naruto loved her, then she thought she were a b*tch to him and did not deserve his love and only hurt his feelings with that selfish promise.
She hurt his feelings three times, it would be fourth if he was awake when she hugged sasuke or even fifth if he witnessed her saying that she wanted to go with him.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 26 December 2012 - 11:48 PM.

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#7146 CloudMountainJuror

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 11:51 PM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 26 2012, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh god, I just found this again. Anyone else think this was one of the best moments ever?


Best moments? Nah. More like...heartbreaking moments... DX

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:02 AM

Did anybody genuinely like Sakura in Part 1? I admit I HATED her BUT I managed to tolerate her and support NS because that's what Naruto wants/wanted. I was initially hoping for another girl (preferably a girl jinchuuriki or however you spell it) but Part II truly changed my view on her and her character development fully made me a believer.

Edited by kidNinja, 27 December 2012 - 03:02 AM.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:10 AM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Dec 26 2012, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did anybody genuinely like Sakura in Part 1? I admit I HATED her BUT I managed to tolerate her and support NS because that's what Naruto wants/wanted. I was initially hoping for another girl (preferably a girl jinchuuriki or however you spell it) but Part II truly changed my view on her and her character development fully made me a believer.


Wll i started as a NH fan in part one BUT it wasn't because of sakura, I actually thought she was funny when she hit naruto haha it never really bothered me to much, I then switched to NS when I saw how much he liked sakura, and since I already thought she was a pretty funny character I started to love NS smile.gif, her development into part 2 made me love her even more and the pairing even more to.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:26 AM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Dec 26 2012, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did anybody genuinely like Sakura in Part 1? I admit I HATED her BUT I managed to tolerate her and support NS because that's what Naruto wants/wanted. I was initially hoping for another girl (preferably a girl jinchuuriki or however you spell it) but Part II truly changed my view on her and her character development fully made me a believer.


I did fu.png, I mean sure she was rude to Naruto but honestly I thought he was pretty annoying too.

I guess I liked her because she had her moments like during the chunnin exams (the forest and written test parts especially wow.gif) and to me she was just the most relatable. But I also kind overlooked most of their character flaws because they're twelve th_tongue.gif I know I had just as many personality flaws at that age.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:45 AM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Dec 26 2012, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did anybody genuinely like Sakura in Part 1? I admit I HATED her BUT I managed to tolerate her and support NS because that's what Naruto wants/wanted. I was initially hoping for another girl (preferably a girl jinchuuriki or however you spell it) but Part II truly changed my view on her and her character development fully made me a believer.



I actually liked her in part 1. Mostly cause it was Naruto's crush and I like tsunaders. Though I'll admit at first she was a little annoying, but over time her character developed. From seeing Naruto to a different light during Land of the Waves arc, to needing to grow, to finally making the decision that she wants to get stronger. Each and every bit influenced by Naruto in some way, shape, or form. To me she is probably one of the characters who developed at a nice pace where she learned and really changed to what she is now. I like how she acts and thinks now more then ever. She is one of few characters that, even though she is a main character but is also a character that sits next to the main character in view, she gained enough screen time to show true development over time where her changes weren't instant but growing at a nice rate where you actually watch the character grow. I love that a lot about her character. It wasn't just once change, but many changes step by step and was filled all around. That to me is a lot better then one character trying to gain/fix one trait about themselves.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:25 AM

So...about chapter 615...
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:34 AM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Dec 27 2012, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So...about chapter 615...

talk about it in chap 615 thread

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:38 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Dec 26 2012, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
talk about it in chap 615 thread



Let me rephrase that then. What effects does the NH hand holding have on NS and its chances? This could just be getting Hinata's character development out of the way and fulfilling her hand-holding statement? OR our beloved ship is sunk? The NH trolls will break through the floodgates soon, so everybody should be prepared!
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:39 AM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Dec 27 2012, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let me rephrase that then. What effects does the NH hand holding have on NS and its chances? This could just be getting Hinata's character development out of the way and fulfilling her hand-holding statement? OR our beloved ship is sunk? The NH trolls will break through the floodgates soon, so everybody should be prepared!

this is being thoroughly discussed in the 615 thread... lol

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:40 AM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Dec 27 2012, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let me rephrase that then. What effects does the NH hand holding have on NS and its chances? This could just be getting Hinata's character development out of the way and fulfilling her hand-holding statement? OR our beloved ship is sunk? The NH trolls will break through the floodgates soon, so everybody should be prepared!


NH CANNON, our ship sunk and SS rise OR ....

#7156 lord287

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:10 AM

Dammit, as much I hate to admit it but now it is completely true that NS is dead, NH will be canon and maybe even SS will also happen in the end. I don't think anyone from the NS fans have a correct explanation which is good enough to make themselves believe NH isn't going to happen and NS can be canon. Their is no hope also avaialble for NS's survival, as i remember correctly it was sasuke who sakura had an image of in her mind when the nin asked whom she loved and the last NS moment was the fake confession of sakura(as many people believe it was, although for me it was the hug after the pain arc). I am very angry that kishi made Naruto switch his heart just because Neji died and he told him that his life is not of him anymore., ad hinata gave naruto strength by saying those words. I'm so SAD right now!!:cry:shamefulcry0js.gif

OUR SHIP IS DEAD,BELIEVE IT GUYS!!!! shamefulcry0js.gif shamefulcry0js.gif

New possiblities guys:-

NH- canon
SS- maybe canon in end
NS- 99.9%-100% dead

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:33 AM

I don't know why I feel as relaxed as I do right now. I should be furious. I should be raging like crazy. But I'm not.

Well, good job Kishi. You've probably guaranteed that your profits will increase more now. I just hope that you realize how bad the quality of the finished product is, now.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:18 AM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ Dec 27 2012, 05:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know why I feel as relaxed as I do right now. I should be furious. I should be raging like crazy. But I'm not.

Well, good job Kishi. You've probably guaranteed that your profits will increase more now. I just hope that you realize how bad the quality of the finished product is, now.

This. I feel tranquil. Probably because all the guessing is gone, and Kishi is showing his true colors.
It's kind of silly, but I think I'm just going to stop reading the manga, because honestly, this basically made SS canon (if this is actually legit NH).

Oh well. This is still the best god damned pairing there will ever be. ;p

Edited by swagosaurus, 27 December 2012 - 08:32 AM.



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#7159 CloudMountainJuror

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:42 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 27 2012, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This. I feel tranquil. Probably because all the guessing is gone, and Kishi is showing his true colors.
It's kind of silly, but I think I'm just going to stop reading the manga, because honestly, this basically made SS canon (if this is actually legit NH).

Oh well. This is still the best god damned pairing there will ever be. ;p

Same. Not only because of the NH stuff, but because this just broke the camel's back. Kabuto being wasted as a villain, Neji dying, and now this. I'm pretty done at this point.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:48 AM

For anyone that even had the word "troll" come into their mind while reading my earlier posts, I would like you to get on both knees, kiss my hand as though I am your king and you're receiving my grace, and apoloigze.

Like I said before, anything is possible in the narutoverse. Screw logic.

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