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#6981 Psychox

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:21 AM

 

1) Naruto wasn't making a joke. At most when he says she's more or less his girlfriend it's his way of saying they have something going on but it's complicated.

 

2) In the raw version of 632 he says something like "never defying her again", which is only meant to be reminiscent to how he said something similar the first time Sakura showed her power at the beginning of Part 2. It seems Naruto got used to her super strength as the series went on, but now that Sakura upgraded to titan strength Naruto makes his vows again, which he'll probably break anyway.

 

3) If Naruto was meant to use Jiraiya's words here then he would joke about being rejected by Sakura. Naruto did the complete opposite here by saying there's something going on between them.

 

4) And after Jiraiya said those words he still attempted to confess to Tsunade anyway because even though he can joke about her rejecting him he still would've wanted her to be with him.

 

This ain't rocket science.

 

I completely and utterly agree with you , but the problem is they still think NS is dead because :

-Sakura loves Sasuke and will never love Naruto

-Sakura lied about loving him during her confession to him

-Naruto doesn't love Sakura anymore, he loves Hinata .



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They don't listen and repeat that like a broken record ..



 

 

Neji died and he learned that he cant save/protect all his friends he must do his best to protect them if he fails he has to keep them on his heart.

About the hokage thing, he said the ones who get acknowledged became kage, Sasuke dying or not wont change that.

 

The third, it's kinda difficult for them but if Sakura already moves on, then what would happen?

She can either became single just like Tsunade, if she already loves Naruto she just need to adress it before Sasuke dies or show that she already loves Naruto before that.

SHe has development to move on, Sasuke returning or being saved wont make up for the bad things he did to her, the fact is that Sakura is being receiving reality checks on her love if it's worth to love someome like Sasuke who did nothing to her or love a great guy.

Sasuke becoming a wanderer ends up the same thing, but there's the promise but Sasuke "come back" and Sakura wish to have them together already got fullfilled on 631.

 

But sincerely i fail to see how bringing Sasuke back would help NS in a way.
I mean there's no interactions on SS, Sakura got all the development she needs and even is aware of Naruto's love for her, the reality checks and how Sasuke displayed thoughout the story that he doesnt love her and even going further in trying to kill her.

If there's an SS interaction where she moves on which obviously has to do with rejection, will make Naruto a second option.

So i do believe Sakura will adress her feelings before or during Naruto x Sasuke not later.

 

Agreed. From 615 he learned two things ; first as you said you can't save everyone , so you have to accept their death/s and keep them in your/his heart , second that all of the shinobi's lifes are ''connected'' to his .

Bolded: The POAL is still in play and he ''came back'' on his own , so i still have some doubts that Naruto has let go of the promise , just the solidest . So that may be an obstacle or a bump on the road.


Bloded#2: True , but they both still care for him deeply regardless of on what level are those feelings,so maybe she wants him back ,but then again her smile in 635 may speak otherwise falsely .

Bloded#3: Let's hope so, as you said he is still close minded of her affection, so in order to make him believe she would have to show it in front of Sasuke .

 

 

Is this an official wiki you are talking about? I was under the impression that it WAS filler just like every other Naruto movie, do you have some sort of link for this? 

 

Its written kind of here..

http://naruto.wikia....:_Road_to_Ninja -> notice that this is the narutopedia .... :sweat:

And here..

http://en.wikipedia....aruto_the_Movie


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:02 AM

NH is or was so convinced of their pairing becoming canon that they expect that Hinata will get her recognition.

But right now there are three possibilities.e
Minato gets closure and vanishes and mentions nothing about hinata which adds him to the in manga NS fan club, or he does comment but mentions Sakura as love interest and not Hinata. This pretty much will hit even harder the NH fandom.
It could even create a schism between the fans that are saying NS is paralloling and those that still say hinata parallels one of Naruto's parents.

Imagine that happening , then we will see what's written on my sig :P


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:10 AM

You guys still care about what other's fandom say ? i don't think it's even worth debating but to each his own I guess, it's not only that NS is the most developed relationship out of the big 3 NaruSaku has been pretty much confirmed many times by the plot itself and that's the big difference with the other pairings, you just have to take a look at Naruto's parallels. Anyway If/when NS becomes canon most of their hate will be redirected towards the author.

I wanted to comment on the Sasuke issue : for me it's clear as day that Sasuke won't die Kishi has gone out of his way to keep his hands "clean" (fooder's lives don't matter in this manga) and looking at the recent Hashirama's flashback it is more or less implied that Naruto and Sasuke will have to cooperate to bring peace to the world. Here is what I am talking about http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/625/16
I except something extremely corny and forced but this is Kishi and he likes it that way, I don't really know if Sasuke will return back to Konoha but it's a very high possibility, again looking back at Hashirama's flashback he wanted Madara to work with him but failed and Madara left. The new generation surpassing the old means that Naruto will convince Sasuke that his path is wrong and they will work together to change the ninja system. At least that's the way I see it.
And to be honest for NS's sake it would be way better if Sasuke didn't die, Sakura has to choose Naruto OVER Sasuke, not because Sasuke isn't there anymore.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:30 AM

^ True that , but the flow of the story up to this moment doesn't allow Sasuke to be back he has a very dark stain .


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:01 AM

You guys still care about what other's fandom say ? i don't think it's even worth debating but to each his own I guess, it's not only that NS is the most developed relationship out of the big 3 NaruSaku has been pretty much confirmed many times by the plot itself and that's the big difference with the other pairings, you just have to take a look at Naruto's parallels. Anyway If/when NS becomes canon most of their hate will be redirected towards the author.

I wanted to comment on the Sasuke issue : for me it's clear as day that Sasuke won't die Kishi has gone out of his way to keep his hands "clean" (fooder's lives don't matter in this manga) and looking at the recent Hashirama's flashback it is more or less implied that Naruto and Sasuke will have to cooperate to bring peace to the world. Here is what I am talking about http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/625/16
I except something extremely corny and forced but this is Kishi and he likes it that way, I don't really know if Sasuke will return back to Konoha but it's a very high possibility, again looking back at Hashirama's flashback he wanted Madara to work with him but failed and Madara left. The new generation surpassing the old means that Naruto will convince Sasuke that his path is wrong and they will work together to change the ninja system. At least that's the way I see it.
And to be honest for NS's sake it would be way better if Sasuke didn't die, Sakura has to choose Naruto OVER Sasuke, not because Sasuke isn't there anymore.

But this is the problem.

I still fail to see it.

Sakura has to prove she loves Naruto, it has nothing to do with Sasuke, there's nothing for Sakura to talk with Sasuke about whatever people point out.

The fact is how she will prove this.

This war is the only moment where she can do this, because after it Sasuke can die or become a wanderer ends up being the same thing(she could not be with Sasuke and Naruto is a second option) neither Sasuke would stay on the village (Team 7 no more, Naruto kage, Team Taka = Sasuke's new team 7, Sasuke's crimes and etc..)


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:07 AM

Didn't Naruto say that men don't waste the time about talking and just need a glance for understanding each other? Since when Hinata is a man? LOL


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:11 AM

But this is the problem.

I still fail to see it.

Sakura has to prove she loves Naruto, it has nothing to do with Sasuke, there's nothing for Sakura to talk with Sasuke about whatever people point out.

The fact is how she will prove this.

This war is the only moment where she can do this, because after it Sasuke can die or become a wanderer ends up being the same thing(she could not be with Sasuke and Naruto is a second option) neither Sasuke would stay on the village (Team 7 no more, Naruto kage, Team Taka = Sasuke's new team 7, Sasuke's crimes and etc..)

They are poking fun of her confession to NAruto , saying stuff like '' NS will happen because Sasuke is a criminal and Naruto is the Hero, whaa , whaa,whaaa.'' So apparently some of us are just irritated by those ''geniuses'', that's why ...
 

 

Didn't Naruto say that men don't waste the time about talking and just need a glance for understanding each other? Since when Hinata is a man? LOL

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:18 AM

The thing is I heavily believe Sakura will prove it to Naruto before they battle because she will believe that he will die and that will bring out all her emotions out altogether . Or Naruto would have to be on the floor bleeding while Sasuke is still standing . Either way she will prove it to him while Sasuke is there .  And after all is said and done , I don't see the village accepting Sasuke back anyways . So Sakura will do everything before Sasuke battles Naruto , including confess her love for him , kiss him , whatever need be . and then Sasuke will accept Naruto is stronger and will realize who deserves the Kage spot and then he will leave . 


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:37 AM

 

I completely and utterly agree with you , but the problem is they still think NS is dead because :

-Sakura loves Sasuke and will never love Naruto

-Sakura lied about loving him during her confession to him

-Naruto doesn't love Sakura anymore, he loves Hinata .



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They don't listen and repeat that like a broken record ..



 

 

 

Agreed. From 615 he learned two things ; first as you said you can't save everyone , so you have to accept their death/s and keep them in your/his heart , second that all of the shinobi's lifes are ''connected'' to his .

Bolded: The POAL is still in play and he ''came back'' on his own , so i still have some doubts that Naruto has let go of the promise , just the solidest . So that may be an obstacle or a bump on the road.


Bloded#2: True , but they both still care for him deeply regardless of on what level are those feelings,so maybe she wants him back ,but then again her smile in 635 may speak otherwise falsely .

Bloded#3: Let's hope so, as you said he is still close minded of her affection, so in order to make him believe she would have to show it in front of Sasuke .

 

 

 

Its written kind of here..

http://naruto.wikia....:_Road_to_Ninja -> notice that this is the narutopedia .... :sweat:

And here..

http://en.wikipedia....aruto_the_Movie

I think they are living in a Genjutsu world themselves where everything is the opposite . 

 

1 . she is showing signs of loving Naruto . 

 

2 .  she had completely selfless reasons for doing it another sign of LOVE , the thing is the lingering feelings for Sasuke clouded the love for Naruto at that time is what I believe , but what she did was selfless for Naruto which was her subconscious act upon the heart for Naruto  . 

 

3 . Naruto already gave Hinata her closure indirectly though . 


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:04 AM

I think they are living in a Genjutsu world themselves where everything is the opposite . 

Lol! :) And the funny keeps on coming... :D

 

 

If Sasuke back again, it will be good for Sakura. It hard to imagine character like Sakura love more than one person, because she too honest to became playgirl.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:07 AM

Lol! :) And the funny keeps on coming... :D

 

 

 

 

 

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If Sasuke back again, it will be good for Sakura. It hard to imagine character like Sakura love more than one person, because she too honest to became playgirl.

 

who said this .? Who in their right mind said this .? How has she become a playgirl .? , she is shown to "love" one person throughout the manga . She is falling out of love with that person because she never loved him because she is realizing who she loved all along how is she a playgirl .? lols . It wasn't her fault if she flirted with Naruto and stuff like that , it was her heart that was pushing her to Naruto all along . 


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:12 AM

who said this .? Who in their right mind said this .?

 

Do you siriosly have to ask? :) It's talk of a people traped in a genjutsu. :D


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:16 AM

But this is the problem.
I still fail to see it.
Sakura has to prove she loves Naruto, it has nothing to do with Sasuke, there's nothing for Sakura to talk with Sasuke about whatever people point out.
The fact is how she will prove this.
This war is the only moment where she can do this, because after it Sasuke can die or become a wanderer ends up being the same thing(she could not be with Sasuke and Naruto is a second option) neither Sasuke would stay on the village (Team 7 no more, Naruto kage, Team Taka = Sasuke's new team 7, Sasuke's crimes and etc..)

I already said it there's 0% chance that Sasuke will die in my mind and the parallels support that notion (Hashimada, and Kakashi's recent flashback), Kishi has made everything possible so that he doesn't kill any named characters and keep his hands "clean", if Kishi wanted Sasuke to die Sasuke would have done worse things than that and murder attempts will be easily forgiven and forgotten. As for Sasuke becoming a wanderer I don't believe it but it's possible but so is his return to the village as much as I tought it was impossible until recently but now I am almost sure it will happen, Kishi has done far worse than that and as I said looking at Hashirama's flashback it's highly possible as forced as it will be. As for Sakura I think that she has to make a conscious choice when the 2 are available it would make a greater impact she still hasn't resolved her feelings for Sasuke anyway and before NS can become canon she has to, Kishi made it perfectly clear no one's feelings will be resolved off panel.
I don’t see what makes you think Sakura has to prove her love right now when it will most likely be adressed when Naruto and Sasuke will fight, remember the hint we got in chapter 489 I think, when she was shown thinking about what Naruto said and how him and Sasuke will die together there will be a talk about that later on. Sakura's relevance to the plot is almost entirely team 7 related and maybe the Rin stuff but I will wait for this first, so I think it's reasonable enough to think her feelings for both boys will be resolved during the last arc before or after the NaruSasu fight.
Of course that's just my humble opinion and what I gathered from Kishi's parallels and general manga direction, the only thing I am sure about is that Sasuke won't die. To be honest tough I would enjoy seeing Sasuke suffer the most gruesome death possible it wouod definitely redeem the manga for me.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:19 AM

I already said it there's 0% chance that Sasuke will die in my mind and the parallels support that notion (Hashimada, and Kakashi's recent flashback), Kishi has made everything possible so that he doesn't kill any named characters and keep his hands "clean", if Kishi wanted Sasuke to die Sasuke would have done worse things than that and murder attempts will be easily forgiven and forgotten. As for Sasuke becoming a wanderer I don't believe it but it's possible but so is his return to the village as much as I tought it was impossible until recently but now I am almost sure it will happen, Kishi has done far worse than that and as I said looking at Hashirama's flashback it's highly possible as forced as it will be. As for Sakura I think that she has to make a conscious choice when the 2 are available it would make a greater impact she still hasn't resolved her feelings for Sasuke anyway and before NS can become canon she has to, Kishi made it perfectly clear no one's feelings will be resolved off panel.
I don’t see what makes you think Sakura has to prove her love right now when it will most likely be adressed when Naruto and Sasuke will fight, remember the hint we got in chapter 489 I think, when she was shown thinking about what Naruto said and how him and Sasuke will die together there will be a talk about that later on. Sakura's relevance to the plot is almost entirely team 7 related and maybe the Rin stuff but I will wait for this first, so I think it's reasonable enough to think her feelings for both boys will be resolved during the last arc before or after the NaruSasu fight.
Of course that's just my humble opinion and what I gathered from Kishi's parallels and general manga direction, the only thing I am sure about is that Sasuke won't die. To be honest tough I would enjoy seeing Sasuke suffer the most gruesome death possible it wouod definitely redeem the manga for me.

He killed Samurais from the Iron country and killed Ninjas from Kumogakure including Jay the Tracker.

 

I dont see the possibility of him staying on the village when he hasa his own team, what will be team Taka without Sasuke?

Those characters orbitate towards Sasuke, Juugo is there to prove that, Juugo already swore eternal loyalty to Sasuke, Suigetsu did the same, Karin come back.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:25 AM

He killed Samurais from the Iron country and killed Ninjas from Kumogakure including Jay the Tracker.

Fodder's death don't matter in this manga, you would have a point if he killed Gaara or Kiba or any other known characters but these samurais and Jay will be forgotten if they aren't already,

edit : I don’t know what will hapoen to team Taka they have no other purposes than to follow Sasuke, I really don’t care about them and I sure don't know what will happen to them.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:31 AM

Fodder's death don't matter in this manga, you would have a point if he killed Gaara or Kiba or any other known characters but these samurais and Jay will be forgotten if they aren't already,

When Sasuke fought 1000 ninjas during Orochimaru's training he didnt kill a single one.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:41 AM

Haha, ok, makes sense.

Guys, someone on tumblr made this comparison:

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I'm not taking it seriously, but I want to hear everyone's thoughts on this lol.

If we are talking abount understanding from a glance...

 

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Sorry, NOT sorry.

 

That's what it means to understand each other from a glance...


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:56 AM

If we are talking abount understanding from a glance...

 

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Sorry, NOT sorry.

 

That's what it means to understand each other from a glance...

I never even noticed that . That has more similarties to it than the Hinata thing . 


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:04 PM

If we are talking abount understanding from a glance...

 

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Sorry, NOT sorry.

 

That's what it means to understand each other from a glance...

communication through their eyes...that shows how well they know each other



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:06 PM

It's because of this.

http://i995.mangarea...uto-4413347.jpg

 

"Men dont need to waste time talking we get it simple from a glance".

But looks like NH fans twisted it like always.

 

 

BOth pics above has nothing to do with what Naruto meant here.


Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 August 2013 - 12:09 PM.

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