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[Gravenimage]

now,the only thing that make me doubt that sakura is moved on from sasuke:what sai tell naruto in chapter 474(she want to kill sasuke because she love him) and more than one here said it was in the PAST tense.but i read it in alot of onther sites and alll was in the PRESENT tense .i dont know how all this sites is mistranslated one chapter ??????

and (i think) becuase this also most of people think that sakura is still love sasuke and never love naruto

i wish if any one could show me how all sites mistranslated and how you sure that was in the past tense ???

Whether it was in past tense or in present tense it it doesn't prove anything that Sakura still loves him romantically:

-Sai was the one who said that so he pressumes that Sakura's is going to kill Sasuke because she loves him.

-We still don't know from Sakura's perspective if she does still loves Sasuke or if she has moved on from him and has chosen Naruto.

-Even if its true Sakura might want to kill Sasuke because she loves him BUT it doesn't necssary means love romantically, she can still love him as a friend and teammate.

Now as for the bench scene like everyone else I do agree that Kishi will give closure to it, but it will be the one thing to make N/S officially canon and that's why I believe that he might leave that by the end of the manga sadly.

[K9ofChaos]

K9ofChaos couldn't have said it better myself xD

Thank you very much.

[ahmed]

@gravenimage
i think by the translation i read :naruto said to sai "no way she loves sasuke so much"
and after that sai tell naruto ""that's why ....she wants to save him from life of evil becuase she love him"

so it come after naruto says "she loves sasuke"(and all we know that he still thinking that sakura still love sasuke romantically)so we should think sai means also romantically by his replying to naruto (that's why)

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/474/07/

even if it is not love romantically why should kishi said the the word of "love" and if kishi dose mean it was not romantically i think he should show us the true feelings of sakura from sakura herself after that chapter and he dosenot make anything like this

@new revolution
i want to know from what site you read the manga(you sai more that time that sai said "Sakura has moved on from Sasuke and now is in love with Naruto with her only thoughts being of Naruto.")
sai never say somthing like that

i never think sakura really loves sasuke but i just said what i think becaus this chapter really doubt men in every thing (how sai in the first talking about sakura that she really loves naruto and after that he said becaus she love sasuke"i couldnot understand " )

Edited by ahmed, 10 July 2010 - 10:08 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

As Sai emphasizes- Sakura has moved on from Sasuke and now is in love with Naruto with her only thoughts being of Naruto.

That is completely untrue and goes against Sakura's character altogether. Sai says that because of her love for Sasuke, she tried to kill him. Not only that but later Sakura decides to trust both Naruto AND Sasuke. She in no way has a one track mind towards either Naruto or Sasuke, instead her dream is for all of them to smile together again. None of that shows her thoughts are solely of Naruto >.>

[ahmed]

That is completely untrue and goes against Sakura's character altogether. Sai says that because of her love for Sasuke, she tried to kill him. Not only that but later Sakura decides to trust both Naruto AND Sasuke. She in no way has a one track mind towards either Naruto or Sasuke, instead her dream is for all of them to smile together again. None of that shows her thoughts are solely of Naruto >.>

sakura was ture in her feelings for nauro (she really loves naruto )...i konw more that 10 reasons and evidences for that
and i and gravenimage showed some of it before

Edited by ahmed, 10 July 2010 - 10:38 PM.

[Gravenimage]

That is completely untrue and goes against Sakura's character altogether. Sai says that because of her love for Sasuke, she tried to kill him. Not only that but later Sakura decides to trust both Naruto AND Sasuke. She in no way has a one track mind towards either Naruto or Sasuke, instead her dream is for all of them to smile together again. None of that shows her thoughts are solely of Naruto >.>

That is true Soupy but why do you think she wants team seven to smile together again??? because that's exactly what Naruto wants ( he said it back at 451) both of them cherish their teammate bond with Sasuke a lot. Sakura wants the team to be happy again but most importantly she wants Naruto to be happy because she loves him and she has shown in the entire manga that her feelings for Naruto are stronger than for Sasuke. Sure she cares for Sasuke as her friend and teammate from team seven but it's different for Naruto, caring for Sasuke is one thing but what she feels for Naruto is stronger than what she feels for Sasuke.

EDIT: also Soupy didn't Sakura said back at 487 that she thanked Naruto for helping her believe that team seven can smile again??? you said that none of her thoughts are sorely of Naruto I think you could be wrong, by thanking Naruto that team seven can be together again he has given her more hope that Sasuke can be save and team seven can be complete again. You see her thoughts are on Naruto who helped her believe and have more faith in him.

Edited by Gravenimage, 11 July 2010 - 03:20 AM.

[Miss Soupy]

sakura was ture in her feelings for nauro (she really loves naruto )...i konw more that 10 reasons and evidences for that
and i and gravenimage showed some of it before (in page 33)

what i really doubt in (sakura's feelings towards sasuke )because of chapter 474

I didn't even mention love. I had issue with the statement that her only thoughts are of Naruto, which has never been the case. Not going to get into the confession stuff because truthfully, it has yet to be completely revealed what Sakura feels.

[ciardha]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/474/07/

even if it is not love romantically why should kishi said the the word of "love" and if kishi dose mean it was not romantically i think he should show us the true feelings of sakura from sakura herself after that chapter and he dosenot make anything like this

Because in the real chapter Sai speaks of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke in the past tense, for Naruto in the present tense. We've had many, many discussions here about how US fan translations are biased against narusaku.... and will alter things to minimize or outright erase text that points toward narusaku. Neither mangastream or onemanga is trustworthy when it comes to Team 7 pairings.

[alexander]

Because in the real chapter Sai speaks of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke in the past tense, for Naruto in the present tense. We've had many, many discussions here about how US fan translations are biased against narusaku.... and will alter things to minimize or outright erase text that points toward narusaku. Neither mangastream or onemanga is trustworthy when it comes to Team 7 pairings.

I wonder what they are going to do to cover up when the day that narusaku becomes canon arrives.

[ciardha]

I wonder what they are going to do to cover up when the day that narusaku becomes canon arrives.

Should be amusing to see how they'll play around with the rather likely scene of Naruto kissing Sakura forehead and saying he couldn't resist, it was so beautiful.

[Gravenimage]

Should be amusing to see how they'll play around with the rather likely scene of Naruto kissing Sakura forehead and saying he couldn't resist, it was so beautiful.

They will say" Naruto didn't kissed Sakura on the lips he kissed her forehead so it doesn't make N/S canon N/H and S/S still has a chance".

Or perhaps" Naruto kissed Sakura's forehead as a sign that he loves her as a sister he gave her a sibling kiss" (the same with the 450 hug) this one will crack me up.

Not bashing here lol.

They can hide and change translations when it comes to N/S all they want but one way or the other the truth will come out sooner or later, it will happen they can't keep things hidden from us and the rest of the NS fandom forever.

As for the scene where Naruto kisses Sakura's forehead that's easy like they have done dozens of times they will replace Sakura with Hinata, so Naruto is kissing Hinata's forehead.

Edited by Gravenimage, 11 July 2010 - 12:39 AM.

[Grace]

That is true Soupy but why do you think she wants team seven to smile together again??? because that's exactly what Naruto wants ( he said it back at 451) both of them cherish their teammate bond with Sasuke a lot. Sakura wants the team to be happy again but most importantly she wants Naruto to be happy because she loves him and she has shown in the entire manga that her feelings for Naruto are stronger than for Sasuke. Sure she cares for Sasuke as her friend and teammate from team seven but it's different for Naruto, caring for Sasuke is one thing but what she feels for Naruto is stronger than what she feels for Sasuke.

I don't disagree that Sakura has come to care more for Naruto than for Sasuke, but I DO disagree about her motivation for wanting Team 7 together and happy again being because Naruto wants it. Yes, she very clearly keeps Naruto's happiness in mind, as evidenced by her decision to not tell him about the Rookie 9 going after Sasuke, but his happiness isn't her sole motivation.

I mean, take a look at what went through her mind when she couldn't kill Sasuke: memories of the times when Team 7 was happy, and of when she was happy while Sasuke was around. Those memories of "the good times" prevent her from doing what she feels must be done at present. As much as she cares for Naruto and will strive to see him happy, she also has things that SHE wishes to see happen--that includes getting Team 7 together again.

Edited by Kushina, 11 July 2010 - 02:52 AM.

[Mik3]

I don't disagree that Sakura has come to care more for Naruto than for Sasuke, but I DO disagree about her motivation for wanting Team 7 together and happy again being because Naruto wants it. Yes, she very clearly keeps Naruto's happiness in mind, as evidenced by her decision to not tell him about the Rookie 9 going after Sasuke, but his happiness isn't her sole motivation.

I mean, take a look at what went through her mind when she couldn't kill Sasuke: memories of the times when Team 7 was happy, and of when she was happy while Sasuke was around. Those memories of "the good times" prevent her from doing what she feels must be done at present. As much as she cares for Naruto and will strive to see him happy, she also has things that SHE wishes to see happen--that includes getting Team 7 together again.

I agree with you. She genuinely liked with Sasuke back then, and feelings never completely dissapear when you like someone that much. She still cares for Sasuke not necessarily because she loves him anymore but that she used to be in love with him. Only natural that she couldn't just kill him.

And the team seven aspect you brought up is also very important, even in part one we saw how much Sakura enjoyed team 7's time together.
The bonds between Naruto and Sasuke, and Team 7 in general are focal point in the manga that gets ignored by those who personally hate Sasuke.

She and Naruto shared the same goal in part 2 to reunite the team. So yes she is doing it for Naruto, herself and the rest of team.

[Miss Soupy]

goes against Sakura's character now thats untrue! if you think that way fine not mp place to change your opin but its manga fact sai said sakura has moved from sasuke to naruto and only thought of naruto but she want to save sasuke for team 7 simply naruto is chosen over sasuke her feelings settled.
There is plenty of backing so if people are to set to see it that there opin but its there

I'm not sure what version you are reading then...to have seen such a thing. From what I've seen:

Sai: That’s why she came here to tell you. (meaning, Sakura’s whole purpose of going to see Naruto was to tell him the rookies decided to kill him)

Naruto: Then why didn’t she tell me?!

Sai: It probably wasn’t easy…she knew she would hurt you. But still…she thought she’d lesson your burden by giving up on Sasuke and confessing her love for you. But you still said you wanted to save Sasuke. I think that’s why she couldn’t tell you the truth. She was thinking of your feelings and she probably knew you’d say that. (to lesson his burden she confessed so that he'd think she gave up on Sasuke)

And later...
Onemanga ver:
Naruto: No way…she likes Sasuke so much…
Sai: That’s why. I don’t think she can just stand by and watch as he plunges headlong towards evil. She wants to save him from an evil life because she loves him… And I think she is prepared to do whatever it takes. Even if it means killing the one she loves. And she also knows that that might make you hate her. That’s her way of making up for trying to saddle you with a lifelong burden. She’s always relied on you too much…so now she’s going to do everything alone.

Official English trans:
Sai: That she can’t leave Sasuke to continue progressing toward evil. It’s because she loves him that she wants to save Sasuke from the path of darkness…even if the only way to do that is to kill the person she loves by her own hand. That is what she has resigned herself to… For having fallen in love with him.

Um...pretty much identical. And unless this suggested bias goes all the way to an official level, I think we can at least trust the official english translation. Kishimoto goes to great pains to repeat these phrases over and over. As if once wasn't enough to really see how much Sakura is divided within herself, he has Sai repeat it many times. The author intent here should be quite obvious just because of the repetition. At the same time, he is also bringing up Sakura's actions for Naruto's sake. The whole point of the confession was to lesson his burdens, but also she was wary of his own feelings. Even though she knew how he would react, it was still worth her effort to try and protect him. She was put in an extremely bad position that goes against what she had always wished or planned to do. Where she always wanted to work with Naruto, because of the burdens Sai pointed out, she doesn't dare ask help from him. And even, as Kishimoto tells us over and over, she is fueled by her feelings for Sasuke as well. Her love for him is still there, and it kills her to see him falling lower and lower. Think about what it would do to her to see him attack their village or try, once again, to kill Naruto. Since she is no longer allowed to just believe in Naruto, and she knows that she cannot save Sasuke herself, her only choice is to kill him. Perhaps she thought after that she might be able to completely move on from him, because it seems clear to me that she hasn't completely been able to this entire time. Though she is becoming closer to Naruto, there is still that part of her that loves Sasuke. If you think about the female tendency to fall for the bad guy, even though they know that it very well might not work out well for them, I think you can understand Sakura's dilemma. But that problem is something girls grow out of, and Sakura is still in the process of growing up. Sakura obviously has a lot of growing up left to do, and I believe by the end she will have gotten over Sasuke. She just isn't there yet, even though it confuses people that she could possibly care for him at all. She still does, or did at that point, and that only adds to the drama surrounding the love triangle of the team (which kishi is going to drag on till the end).

[Cloud]

Oh mai. Owned.

Let's agree to disagree, amirite?

[Derock]

I'm not sure what version you are reading then...to have seen such a thing. From what I've seen:

Sai: That’s why she came here to tell you. (meaning, Sakura’s whole purpose of going to see Naruto was to tell him the rookies decided to kill him)

Naruto: Then why didn’t she tell me?!

Sai: It probably wasn’t easy…she knew she would hurt you. But still…she thought she’d lesson your burden by giving up on Sasuke and confessing her love for you. But you still said you wanted to save Sasuke. I think that’s why she couldn’t tell you the truth. She was thinking of your feelings and she probably knew you’d say that. (to lesson his burden she confessed so that he'd think she gave up on Sasuke)

And later...
Onemanga ver:
Naruto: No way…she likes Sasuke so much…
Sai: That’s why. I don’t think she can just stand by and watch as he plunges headlong towards evil. She wants to save him from an evil life because she loves him… And I think she is prepared to do whatever it takes. Even if it means killing the one she loves. And she also knows that that might make you hate her. That’s her way of making up for trying to saddle you with a lifelong burden. She’s always relied on you too much…so now she’s going to do everything alone.

Official English trans:
Sai: That she can’t leave Sasuke to continue progressing toward evil. It’s because she loves him that she wants to save Sasuke from the path of darkness…even if the only way to do that is to kill the person she loves by her own hand. That is what she has resigned herself to… For having fallen in love with him.

Um...pretty much identical. And unless this suggested bias goes all the way to an official level, I think we can at least trust the official english translation. Kishimoto goes to great pains to repeat these phrases over and over. As if once wasn't enough to really see how much Sakura is divided within herself, he has Sai repeat it many times. The author intent here should be quite obvious just because of the repetition. At the same time, he is also bringing up Sakura's actions for Naruto's sake. The whole point of the confession was to lesson his burdens, but also she was wary of his own feelings. Even though she knew how he would react, it was still worth her effort to try and protect him. She was put in an extremely bad position that goes against what she had always wished or planned to do. Where she always wanted to work with Naruto, because of the burdens Sai pointed out, she doesn't dare ask help from him. And even, as Kishimoto tells us over and over, she is fueled by her feelings for Sasuke as well. Her love for him is still there, and it kills her to see him falling lower and lower. Think about what it would do to her to see him attack their village or try, once again, to kill Naruto. Since she is no longer allowed to just believe in Naruto, and she knows that she cannot save Sasuke herself, her only choice is to kill him. Perhaps she thought after that she might be able to completely move on from him, because it seems clear to me that she hasn't completely been able to this entire time. Though she is becoming closer to Naruto, there is still that part of her that loves Sasuke. If you think about the female tendency to fall for the bad guy, even though they know that it very well might not work out well for them, I think you can understand Sakura's dilemma. But that problem is something girls grow out of, and Sakura is still in the process of growing up. Sakura obviously has a lot of growing up left to do, and I believe by the end she will have gotten over Sasuke. She just isn't there yet, even though it confuses people that she could possibly care for him at all. She still does, or did at that point, and that only adds to the drama surrounding the love triangle of the team (which kishi is going to drag on till the end).

Bravo. Let's give a hand of applause to Soupy-chan!

I bolded this part for a reason:

To add more drama for us and the rival pairings during debating. Until he has reach to a point where the final straw is up... Though after seeing Sasuke trying to kill her 3 times (And there's a saying: 3's a charmed -plus the final straw-), that should have gave her the hint to move on yet we are not sure she has because the feelings are still there (all thanks to Kishimoto to add more drama and ignoring the hint).

Oh mai. Owned.

Let's agree to disagree, amirite?

No better to tell it as it is.

[Insurrection]

I'm not sure what version you are reading then...to have seen such a thing. From what I've seen:

Sai: That’s why she came here to tell you. (meaning, Sakura’s whole purpose of going to see Naruto was to tell him the rookies decided to kill him)

Naruto: Then why didn’t she tell me?!

Sai: It probably wasn’t easy…she knew she would hurt you. But still…she thought she’d lesson your burden by giving up on Sasuke and confessing her love for you. But you still said you wanted to save Sasuke. I think that’s why she couldn’t tell you the truth. She was thinking of your feelings and she probably knew you’d say that. (to lesson his burden she confessed so that he'd think she gave up on Sasuke)

And later...
Onemanga ver:
Naruto: No way…she likes Sasuke so much…
Sai: That’s why. I don’t think she can just stand by and watch as he plunges headlong towards evil. She wants to save him from an evil life because she loves him… And I think she is prepared to do whatever it takes. Even if it means killing the one she loves. And she also knows that that might make you hate her. That’s her way of making up for trying to saddle you with a lifelong burden. She’s always relied on you too much…so now she’s going to do everything alone.

Official English trans:
Sai: That she can’t leave Sasuke to continue progressing toward evil. It’s because she loves him that she wants to save Sasuke from the path of darkness…even if the only way to do that is to kill the person she loves by her own hand. That is what she has resigned herself to… For having fallen in love with him.

Um...pretty much identical. And unless this suggested bias goes all the way to an official level, I think we can at least trust the official english translation. Kishimoto goes to great pains to repeat these phrases over and over. As if once wasn't enough to really see how much Sakura is divided within herself, he has Sai repeat it many times. The author intent here should be quite obvious just because of the repetition. At the same time, he is also bringing up Sakura's actions for Naruto's sake. The whole point of the confession was to lesson his burdens, but also she was wary of his own feelings. Even though she knew how he would react, it was still worth her effort to try and protect him. She was put in an extremely bad position that goes against what she had always wished or planned to do. Where she always wanted to work with Naruto, because of the burdens Sai pointed out, she doesn't dare ask help from him. And even, as Kishimoto tells us over and over, she is fueled by her feelings for Sasuke as well. Her love for him is still there, and it kills her to see him falling lower and lower. Think about what it would do to her to see him attack their village or try, once again, to kill Naruto. Since she is no longer allowed to just believe in Naruto, and she knows that she cannot save Sasuke herself, her only choice is to kill him. Perhaps she thought after that she might be able to completely move on from him, because it seems clear to me that she hasn't completely been able to this entire time. Though she is becoming closer to Naruto, there is still that part of her that loves Sasuke. If you think about the female tendency to fall for the bad guy, even though they know that it very well might not work out well for them, I think you can understand Sakura's dilemma. But that problem is something girls grow out of, and Sakura is still in the process of growing up. Sakura obviously has a lot of growing up left to do, and I believe by the end she will have gotten over Sasuke. She just isn't there yet, even though it confuses people that she could possibly care for him at all. She still does, or did at that point, and that only adds to the drama surrounding the love triangle of the team (which kishi is going to drag on till the end).

+13 for Soupy!!!

And besides I think we shouldn't get too focused onto this particular on Sai right now anyway, it actually helps us that Sakura is still in the transitional phase. Currently Kushina's arc is helpful to later developments. And Kishi will ride out the triangle to the end.

Edited by Insurrection, 11 July 2010 - 05:30 AM.

[Miss Soupy]

Thanks guys XDDD I mainly don't want to see NS fans jumping on this WE'RE ALREADY CANON LOLOLOL bandwagon when it truthfully hasn't been confirmed at all. If it bothers us seeing other fandoms doing it...the least we can do is try not to do it ourselves. I'm pretty sure NS will be canon, but it still has a ways to go yet. Keeps us reading, at any rate.