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[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: The last chapter of part 1 and before Kakashi Gaiden with Hinata seeing Naruto send off may have been a sign that Kishi was planning on NaruHina if only Sakura doesn't rise to popularity. In other words, he have placed it on standby until the call was right. Once Sakura's push was deemed as a failure, Hinata will start her shine as well as NaruHina being the now love interest focus.

Agree or disagree?

[BlackBird19]

Statement: The last chapter of part 1 and before Kakashi Gaiden with Hinata seeing Naruto send off may have been a sign that Kishi was planning on NaruHina if only Sakura doesn't rise to popularity. In other words, he have placed it on standby until the call was right. Once Sakura's push was deemed as a failure, Hinata will start her shine as well as NaruHina being the now love interest focus.

Agree or disagree?

I disagree, mainly because I don't think they thought that far ahead in terms of the pairings. I've always seen Hinata as a character to spotlight Naruto as the MC a little more by the use of her feelings. She's someone to show that Naruto is also appreciated by the opposite sex, not just Sasuke.

 

That chapter was to show how all the rookies decide to become stronger. With Hinata being shown last due to the entirety of her character revolving around Naruto as her inspiration. Once again using her to spotlight Naruto's importance as an MC. The only actual relationship tease in that chapter was a ShikaTema moment with Temari literally teasing Shikamaru. However, we're also shown panels of Ino appreciating Choji, Tenten admiring Lee and Kiba teasing Hinata but we know none of that led anywhere. 

 

So no, I don't think they were worrying about the pairings all that much back then at all. If they were then NH would've had more moments in the entirety of the manga so as to be able to shift to that relationship with less backlash had NS not worked out.

[Nostradamus]

Statement: The last chapter of part 1 and before Kakashi Gaiden with Hinata seeing Naruto send off may have been a sign that Kishi was planning on NaruHina if only Sakura doesn't rise to popularity. In other words, he have placed it on standby until the call was right. Once Sakura's push was deemed as a failure, Hinata will start her shine as well as NaruHina being the now love interest focus.

Agree or disagree?

No, he never once planned NH. He was planning on NS from day 1 and was on NS until the last year, but stopped caring in the end and let someone else do the ending for him. Plus he was kicked out of the decision making.

[rocci]

Statement: The last chapter of part 1 and before Kakashi Gaiden with Hinata seeing Naruto send off may have been a sign that Kishi was planning on NaruHina if only Sakura doesn't rise to popularity. In other words, he have placed it on standby until the call was right. Once Sakura's push was deemed as a failure, Hinata will start her shine as well as NaruHina being the now love interest focus.

Agree or disagree?

You bring this, good job.

On one hand I agree and on the other hand I disagree.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You bring this, good job.

On one hand I agree and on the other hand I disagree.

Really interested in your reasons.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I disagree, mainly because I don't think they thought that far ahead in terms of the pairings. I've always seen Hinata as a character to spotlight Naruto as the MC a little more by the use of her feelings. She's someone to show that Naruto is also appreciated by the opposite sex, not just Sasuke.
 
That chapter was to show how all the rookies decide to become stronger. With Hinata being shown last due to the entirety of her character revolving around Naruto as her inspiration. Once again using her to spotlight Naruto's importance as an MC. The only actual relationship tease in that chapter was a ShikaTema moment with Temari literally teasing Shikamaru. However, we're also shown panels of Ino appreciating Choji, Tenten admiring Lee and Kiba teasing Hinata but we know none of that led anywhere. 
 
So no, I don't think they were worrying about the pairings all that much back then at all. If they were then NH would've had more moments in the entirety of the manga so as to be able to shift to that relationship with less backlash had NS not worked out.

Bolded: You know the sad part is that I thought that was the point of showcasing those moments. I mean I wouldn't mind for future pairing, which I would bet that's where anime felt that those pairings will happen. It's given and acceptable.




Nope.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Statement: The last chapter of part 1 and before Kakashi Gaiden with Hinata seeing Naruto send off may have been a sign that Kishi was planning on NaruHina if only Sakura doesn't rise to popularity. In other words, he have placed it on standby until the call was right. Once Sakura's push was deemed as a failure, Hinata will start her shine as well as NaruHina being the now love interest focus.

Agree or disagree?

Disagree for pretty much the same reasons BlackBird stated.

[rocci]

Really interested in your reasons.

Kishi specialize Hinata as the only character that said "goodbye" to the main character at the end of chapter. And she's the only girl who has romantic feeling to naruto. That's strong.
This what make me agree that kishi may decide to make nh as canon pairing.


But, I disagree because that's the only thing she has as character.
So that's something you expect from her character.
And never make it a big deal in his manga nor outside manga. He could brought it up as his sign to make nh and he doesn't do that.
So much for early decision.

Edited by rocci, 19 June 2016 - 04:51 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I would like to think that he has something in mind for Hinata, but it's hard to say because after that scene, nothing came out of it. So I guess I'll disagree but I can see why one would agree in a slightest. Maybe he thought about it but left it like "No, nevermind." Then he probably resumed the idea after Pain Arc in order to get the romance out of the way. That's why it felt incredibly forced. If anything, everyone should feel like a loser because even canon, it most likely made for the sake of sequel. There's hardly any real payoff. It's...insulting.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: Kishi and his work on Naruto has proven that taking word of advice from fans can damage the story and characters from lightly to greatly, because the writer don't follow his/her flow of writing style or don't have really long term plan for the series. In short, taking advice from the fans to a great degree (ex. more of this character) can damage the work.

Agree or disagree?

[Ryriena]

Statement: Kishi and his work on Naruto has proven that taking word of advice from fans can damage the story and characters from lightly to greatly, because the writer don't follow his/her flow of writing style or don't have really long term plan for the series. In short, taking advice from the fans to a great degree (ex. more of this character) can damage the work.

Agree or disagree?

I tend to agree and disagree in someways fans can help them get out of the idea that small bubble inside their heads. It depends on how much you let fans influence your story that could damage it beyond repair. Like those writers that put polls in stories to ask which pairings to do or what!

Edited by Ryriena, 21 June 2016 - 01:30 PM.

[Catra]

well doesnt it go back to what that one guy said about otaku's? what was his name?

[Nostradamus]

Statement: Kishi and his work on Naruto has proven that taking word of advice from fans can damage the story and characters from lightly to greatly, because the writer don't follow his/her flow of writing style or don't have really long term plan for the series. In short, taking advice from the fans to a great degree (ex. more of this character) can damage the work.

Agree or disagree?

Agree and disagree because this actually depends on one's writing skills. Sometimes the writer isn't good enough and needs help with certain things therefore listening to the fans might help him/her. However it's equally bad listening to the fans because there's less of you and more of them in your own story, to the point in which the story doesn't belong to you anymore . Like many things in life there has to be a balance, and you have to make that balance.

What happened to Naruto is the perfect example of getting that balance wrong.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Statement: Kishi and his work on Naruto has proven that taking word of advice from fans can damage the story and characters from lightly to greatly, because the writer don't follow his/her flow of writing style or don't have really long term plan for the series. In short, taking advice from the fans to a great degree (ex. more of this character) can damage the work.

Agree or disagree?

Both.

As mentioned, getting advice from the fans isn't necessarily bad as long as it's not too much and you pay closer attention to just what the fans are saying so whatever you may decide to take influence from is actually a good idea, but you still should try to keep your own ideas going as well since, for a lot of writers I'm sure, finishing THEIR story and putting it out there and people being able to see it is the accomplishment. Yes, having a lot of people liking it is great (which can lead to more money as a bonus) but if they (or a chunk of people anyway) only like it because they're getting exactly what they want due to the writer just doing what they demand, is it really worth it then?

As I said in other threads, that is something that annoys me when I read fanfics - at the end of chapters, seeing author notes with polls on who the main character should be paired with, what the readers think they, the author, should do next, and so on, or even seeing authors just completely scrap and redo their stories simply because of fans flaming the initial version for some shallow reasoning ala pairings or whatever.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have to agree to certain extent. It's not that you shouldn't take any advice from readers, it's just know the boundary and its effect on your work. Bakuman said this and I have to agree. It's ok to get something out of them, but remain your manga as your manga, not the fans. Treat the advice as a wake up like "Oh crap, I forgot about that character," not "you're right, he deserves more spotlight."

The recent argument I'm hearing is that characters won't die because of fans. I don't know if that's true in this case for recent Fairy Tail, but I do see it happening. It depends on the story structure. If it feels like a copout, that's a possibility of fans not wanting to kill him/her off. Otherwise, I can't really argue if there's a story behind it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: The way how NaruHina happened might as well be a mystery (as in leave it blank and let audience guess/fanfic alas no The Last) more so than having The Last doing the explanation. In other words, leave it as a mystery over The Last.

Agree or disagree?

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 22 June 2016 - 03:18 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Statement: How NaruHina happened might as well be a mystery more so than having The Last explaining. Basically, mystery over The Last.

Agree or disagree?

What do you mean? I don't get it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

What do you mean? I don't get it.

I changed it. Basically, I'm saying that it's better to have no The Last. Less is more (?).

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Statement: The way how NaruHina happened might as well be a mystery (as in leave it blank and let audience guess/fanfic alas no The Last) more so than having The Last doing the explanation. In other words, leave it as a mystery over The Last.

Agree or disagree?

I disagree. As (more) trashed as characters got because of it, it still did greatly expose to many, even some more entrenched NH fans, just how poisonous, undeveloped, etc. the pairing was for the story and the characters.

If it were left a mystery, then extremist NH/pro-enders would even more arrogant, obnoxious, etc. about "winning" and could make up whatever crap they wanted to make it look good and there would be less to actually be able to counter them with. Anything pointed out from the manga about why the pairing doesn't work could be "countered" by them simply saying "things changed off-panel" and other crap like that and we would have no actual rebuttal because no one would actually know what happened.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm usually mixed because sometimes, leaving a mystery is better than revealing. I know people wants answer and I don't blame them, but if that answer is bad, you would think, "Was it better off to leave it to our imagination?" If that does happen, then you know you did a really bad job explaining.