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[ramenanmitsu]

Eventually I mean, he wasn't going to gain any comrades, one against world - always a dead end.
Re-read Zetus's  comment, that's unique for Juubi's jinchuriki.

He had Karin, he had Juugo, he had Suigetsu. Anyways, your argument isn't realistic because you're not providing on 'how' Sasuke can be killed. You're just talking of your general perception on how things should work in life. And that could work both ways.

What did Zetsu say? Please enlighten me since I forgot.

[Khaleesi]

@WhyDoIWatch

Have you read or watched Code Geass? 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

  

Your fanboy self is holding you. Isn't it  

What? 

What do you mean? 

 

He had Karin, he had Juugo, he had Suigetsu. Anyways, your argument isn't realistic because you're not providing on 'how' Sasuke can be killed. You're just talking of your general perception on how things should work in life. And that could work both ways.

What did Zetsu say? Please enlighten me since I forgot.

So 4 people against 5 great nations? Not a good plan. If Sasuke woudn't find a way to live forever, he would become older and in the end - he eventually coudn't fight people who would rebel against his dictatorship. Both ways, what do you mean? 

 

Zetsus talk was around chapters when Obito's power was taken from him. Juubi's jinchuriki won't die, they just will go exhausted for a period of time.

[Khaleesi]

What? 

What do you mean? 

 

So 4 people against 5 great nations? Not a good plan. If Sasuke woudn't find a way to live forever, he would become older and in the end - he eventually coudn't fight people who would rebel against his dictatorship. Both ways, what do you mean? 

 

Zetsus talk was around chapters when Obito's power was taken from him. Juubi's jinchuriki won't die, they just will go exhausted for a period of time.

 

Nothing I'm joking.

Uhmm, do you understand what was Sasuke's plan? 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Nothing I'm joking.

Uhmm, do you understand what was Sasuke's plan? 

Explain it to me   , I like jokes, what exactly fanboy? 

Basically he wanted to become single enemy of whole world, and unite all nations against him.

[Khaleesi]

Explain it to me   , I like jokes, what exactly fanboy? 

Basically he wanted to become single enemy of whole world, and unite all nations against him.

That reminds me a lot of Lelouch  It worked for him and he brought peace to the world 

[AHK]

By whom? By Inari? Who's strong enough to beat him? Even Naruto tied with him.Please re-read Chiyo's comment. Every jinchuuriki who gets their bijuu taken out dies. Obito and Kushina were able to hold out a bit longer than others but the destination is the same.

Yes, it's true that Obito was going to die anyway, but that does not change the fact that Obito chose to die by laying his life down for Naruto and saved Naruto's life. Obito sacrificed himself so that Naruto may live, whether he was dying already or not doesn't change the fact. Obito tried to amend his mistakes, Sasuke has not. Walking around does absolutely nothing.

The only differences between Obito and Sasuke is that Sasuke got stopped before he could attempt his plan and that Sasuke got handed a free pass, while Obito actively tried to redeem himself. Whether or not he did is not the point, the point is that he tried to do the right thing after doing so may wrongs. Sasuke, instead of being held accountable for his actions and facing them, decided to run from them. Obito and Sasuke are both scum, as far as that earlier argument goes.

[ramenanmitsu]

So 4 people against 5 great nations? Not a good plan. If Sasuke woudn't find a way to live forever, he would become older and in the end - he eventually coudn't fight people who would rebel against his dictatorship. Both ways, what do you mean? 
 
Zetsus talk was around chapters when Obito's power was taken from him. Juubi's jinchuriki won't die, they just will go exhausted for a period of time.

When will that happen? When he's seventy? That means his plan did work and he lived long enough to see through most of it. I'm saying that you can make any kinds of arguments with baseless assumptions.

Zetsu didn't say that. I thought he said that it's unusual that a jinchuuriki doesn't die right after he got extracted referring to Obito's ability to hold out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Khaleesi]

Yes, it's true that Obito was going to die anyway, but that does not change the fact that Obito chose to die by laying his life down for Naruto and saved Naruto's life. Obito sacrificed himself so that Naruto may live, whether he was dying already or not doesn't change the fact. Obito tried to amend his mistakes, Sasuke has not. Walking around does absolutely nothing.

The only differences between Obito and Sasuke is that Sasuke got stopped before he could attempt his plan and that Sasuke got handed a free pass, while Obito actively tried to redeem himself. Whether or not he did is not the point, the point is that he tried to do the right thing after doing so may wrongs. Sasuke, instead of being held accountable for his actions and facing them, decided to run from them. Obito and Sasuke are both scum, as far as that earlier argument goes.

What's the point of you guys? That Obito is less of a scum than Sasuke because he tried to help Naruto in the last few minutes of his life? or what? 

After Sasuke was stopped by Naruto, didn't he help Naruto to free everyone? Doesn't that count as the same of what Obito did? Or Obito has extra-points for doing it before dying? 

[Phantom_999]

No ! Just as people on 2ch said (I think), It was all Naruto's fault !!! She's innocent !!!! 

 

 

Fair enough, it was actually her otaku fans that wish she was THEIR waifu that destroyed the franchise so I take it back.

[ramenanmitsu]

Yes, it's true that Obito was going to die anyway, but that does not change the fact that Obito chose to die by laying his life down for Naruto and saved Naruto's life. Obito sacrificed himself so that Naruto may live, whether he was dying already or not doesn't change the fact. Obito tried to amend his mistakes, Sasuke has not. Walking around does absolutely nothing.

The only differences between Obito and Sasuke is that Sasuke got stopped before he could attempt his plan and that Sasuke got handed a free pass, while Obito actively tried to redeem himself. Whether or not he did is not the point, the point is that he tried to do the right thing after doing so may wrongs. Sasuke, instead of being held accountable for his actions and facing them, decided to run from them. Obito and Sasuke are both scum, as far as that earlier argument goes.

I agree with the last sentence that Obito and Sasuke are both a scum.

If you're going to talk about how Obito chose to end his last moments of life it's only fair to make a comparison on what Sasuke would do at the last moments of his life if he was in a same situation. And regards to Sasuke running away, I don't disagree but IMO Obito ran away too. Instead of trying to live and amend for his mistakes he took the easy way out by 'dying like a hero' in a blaze of glory.

As for trying to make up for the mistakes by fighting alongside Naruto and fighting the villain, Sasuke has done them in the LAST and in chapter 699. So I don't see how Obito's actions count and Sasuke's doesn't.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 02 April 2015 - 12:17 AM.

[luffyq1]

What's the point of you guys? That Obito is less of a scum than Sasuke because he tried to help Naruto in the last few minutes of his life? or what? 

After Sasuke was stopped by Naruto, didn't he help Naruto to free everyone? Doesn't that count as the same of what Obito did? Or Obito has extra-points for doing it before dying? 

sacrificing yourself erases all your bad deeds. yes, that includes attempting to murder a baby seconds after leaving the mother's womb.

[Khaleesi]

sacrificing yourself erases all your bad deeds. yes, that includes attempting to murder a baby seconds after leaving the mother's womb.

what a cool guy! 

[AHK]

What's the point of you guys? That Obito is less of a scum than Sasuke because he tried to help Naruto in the last few minutes of his life? or what? 
After Sasuke was stopped by Naruto, didn't he help Naruto to free everyone? Doesn't that count as the same of what Obito did? Or Obito has extra-points for doing it before dying?

  
The earning of points was never the question, it was merely about the fact that Sasuke got a free pass. He has zero accountability for his actions, and there were zero consequences.

I agree with the last sentence that Obito and Sasuke are both a scum.
If you're going to talk about how Obito chose to end his last moments of life it's only fair to make a comparison on what Sasuke would do at the last moments of his life if he was in a same situation. And regards to Sasuke running away, I don't disagree but IMO Obito ran away too. Instead of trying to live and amend for his mistakes he took the easy way out by 'dying like a hero' in a blaze of glory.
As for trying to make up for the mistakes by fighting alongside Naruto and fighting the villain, Sasuke has done them in the LAST and in chapter 699. So I don't see how Obito's actions count and Sasuke's doesn't.

I would agree that both ran from their problems, however I would say that in Obito's situation, there really wasn't any other option. Both Naruto and Sasuke had to survive, and at that point both eyes were in Obito. Kamui couldn't be used on both Naruto and Sasuke as a result, so Obito had no other choice but to act as he did in that situation. There was no other option except death for Obito. If you choose to look at it as Obito was running away, then it's important to note that while Obito ran, he saved a life, whereas Sasuke was merely running for himself.

Sasuke fought in the Last?

[Khaleesi]

The earning of points was never the question, it was merely about the fact that Sasuke got a free pass. He has zero accountability for his actions, and there were zero consequences.
I would agree that both ran from their problems, however I would say that in Obito's situation, there really wasn't any other option. Both Naruto and Sasuke had to survive, and at that point both eyes were in Obito. Kamui couldn't be used on both Naruto and Sasuke as a result, so Obito had no other choice but to act as he did in that situation. There was no other option except death for Obito. If you choose to look at it as Obito was running away, then it's important to note that while Obito ran, he saved a life, whereas Sasuke was merely running for himself.

Sasuke fought in the Last?

Then, what's your point? That their situations are different? Or are you just pointing out that Sasuke never paid the consequences of his actions?

[rocci]

Obito is dark naruto, as soon as naruto convert him back to his old self(uchiha naruto). Everything is good.
Just like nagato, garra, and zabuza. Eventhought there are no parallel between zabuza and naruto.

[Nar123]

Obito is dark naruto, as soon as naruto convert him back to his old self(uchiha naruto). Everything is good.
Just like nagato, garra, and zabuza. Eventhought there are no parallel between zabuza and naruto.

 

The best "dark naruto" was Gaara tbh, the rest just felt forced, Obito included

[rocci]

 
The best "dark naruto" was Gaara tbh, the rest just felt forced, Obito included

That's happen in part 1, so....

Oh that's why he doesn't tnj kakuzu, because there are no similiarity between them.

Oh why kishi doesn't use knock out system if he doesn't want naruto to be a killer.

[Nar123]

That's happen in part 1, so....

Oh that's why he doesn't tnj kakuzu, because there are no similiarity between them.

Oh why kishi doesn't use knock out system if he doesn't want naruto to be a killer.

 

Exactly, I mean if we are talking storywise then part 1 > part 2 

Edited by Nar123, 02 April 2015 - 01:29 AM.

[rocci]

 
Exactly, I mean if we are talking storywise then part 1 > part 2 

He's good at introducing but bad at developing.
Like that jutsu, rinnegan myth, bijuu myth, five village and small village and many more.