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[Gojira]

She was lying trough her teeth back then she would have said anything just to stay but it backfired in the end

Good to know it would be a step back for character to abandon everyone she knows in the village including her own family because of crush even if it did evolve into love.

Though I don't really see how offering to go with him was meant to convince him to stay. I can't really picture a scenario where Sasuke would respond with anything other than "look just kitten off already"

[narusaku256]

What makes Sakura's crush/affection for Sasuke stand out from Ino and other girls is the fact that she was put on the same team as Sasuke. And the memories she shared with the team and all missions and all the fun they had made it all the more difficult for Sakura to move on. Ino and other girls never had a personal experience with Sasuke as opposed to Sakura, though she could never understand the 'real' Sasuke! Not to bash anyone here. Them being on the same team gave momentum to Sakura's wish to be with Sasuke and strengthened her feelings even more because she started imagining what Sasuke really should be and fell in love with that Sasuke. And he leaving the village made her desire to have him back even stronger! The resultant of all this was her messed up feelings. Its just that the bond that the team 7 shared made it more difficult for Sakura to move on from her feelings. Its very very difficult to let go a person whom sometime you held close and all the more it being Sakura who has so much emotions, she is no exception. I mean sure it took long, but its safe to say she is outta it now.

Edited by narusaku256, 09 May 2014 - 06:48 PM.

[luffyq1]

What makes Sakura's crush/affection from Sasuke stand out from Ino and other girls is the fact that she was put on the same team as Sasuke. And the memories she shared with the team and all missions and all the fun they had made it all the more difficult for Sakura to move on. Ino and other girls never had a personal experience with Sasuke as opposed to Sakura, though she could never understand the 'real' Sasuke! Not to bash anyone here. Them being on the same team gave momentum to Sakura's wish to be with Sasuke and strengthened her feelings even more because she started imagining what Sasuke really should be and fell in love with that Sasuke. And he leaving the village made her desire to have him back even stronger! The resultant of all this was her messed up feelings. Its just that the bond that the team 7 shared made it more difficult for Sakura to move on from her feelings. Its very very difficult to let go a person whom sometime you held close and all the more it being Sakura who has so much emotions, she is no exception. I mean sure it took long, but its safe to say she is outta it now.

This is why I find the romance in this series to be terrible at times. Given what you said, which is true by the way, then why in gods name was/is Ino in love with Sasuke for this long? She never had any good reason to hold onto a love this long when she rarely interacted with the guy. Man, side characters in this series get the worst treatment.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sakura falls in what if a fangirl learns the truth behind a guy whom she loves. This is the answer. Not saying it will always happen like this, but this is something that she has been warned. She tried her best to be the girl we all know in caring but he kept detesting her. Then, that night is when everything seriously change. Sakura finally admits that their relationship has been terrible. It truly felt like a closure and now reading the latest chapter, it really make sense. I mean ask yourself, what exactly are we waiting for with SS. It kicks me that there's nothing. Nothing but Team 7.

[Inferno180]

 

I've actually brought that up earlier in the thread, but only 4life actually responded to it.

 

 

 

I actually have an N-Blog in mind, but I want to do it after the podcast.

 

That reminds me of the most overly simplified way to put things as many are debating right now:

 

If Kishi said at least one pairing would be canon, doesn't this rule SS out right off the bat since theres no point or need for him to be involved in any love?

 

But otherwise, yeah its like its 631 again where people need to debate the meaning of stuff, but unlike that which had a clear cut past event which fit perfectly, so perfectly for people to deny that even as just a hint of NS being possible, thats scary. I mean this time is just that love has changed, so its either decreased or increased and even if it did somehow increase, this still doesnt solve the problems like, Sakura isnt trusting him, its like again the same chapter, she wants to know his motives otherwise if it was fine, nothing to worry about. Then theres all that other stuff like actual need for evidence to say its somehow increased or become better while also addressing the 2 biggest facts of how is this important on sasuke? (ya know the deal, why is he supposed to love sakura when theres no plot importance for him too?) and otherwise just all that missing development, how can people expect it too occur with so much missing development yet expect some hardly changed dynamic if sakura started loving him only to somehow love him more after all this antagonizing crap? It still boggles my mind how people dont even consider her changing a possibility and that its somehow beneficial to suffer in a bad love that showed no signs of anything merited or hinted as mutual? I mean just how much more could she possibly love sasuke? Thats the deal none explained, how can she love him more aside from all the crap he pulled, this is just such a paradox its like, its like gordon freeman should just start narrating his actions in half life 3, thats how crazy this is.

[harry4e]

 

I've actually brought that up earlier in the thread, but only 4life actually responded to it.

 

 

 

I actually have an N-Blog in mind, but I want to do it after the podcast.

 

I bought it up too I basically said, that ironically now that he no longer has the Sharingan, he can still use the 1000 jutsu's he's copied using his Sharingan, but the one original Jutsu he created is now useless to him.

 

It's a shame Naruto never learnt the Chidori, with his new Kurama and Sage mode, he can pretty much destroy an army with it, Sage mode would allow him to sense the direction of opponant and even if his eyes couldn't keep up his senses would, while in Kurama mode he can move at extreme speeds, He truelly would be the Flying Thunder God.

[narusaku256]

This is why I find the romance in this series to be terrible at times. Given what you said, which is true by the way, then why in gods name was/is Ino in love with Sasuke for this long? She never had any good reason to hold onto a love this long when she rarely interacted with the guy. Man, side characters in this series get the worst treatment.

Its a pure crush for Ino and a simple explanation is.....16 old Ino>>>>full reverse throttle>>>>12 year old Ino mode initiated>>>>fangirl mode on! Apart from this, I don't see a valid reason for Ino's crush to be valid!

[TouKen4Life3g]

This is why I find the romance in this series to be terrible at times. Given what you said, which is true by the way, then why in gods name was/is Ino in love with Sasuke for this long? She never had any good reason to hold onto a love this long when she rarely interacted with the guy. Man, side characters in this series get the worst treatment.

In her defense, she never got the same treatment as Sakura as in being detested and such. She just lock her love life and that's it. Her love life is basically closed...or so it would seem. But at least that last development says it all. Everyone has to grow up. Besides, it's not like they're 21.

[harry4e]

Wait I forget did Sakura want to leave with Sasuke? I thought she tried to convince him to stay

 

Kishi's already dealt with this, he showed in part one for Sasuke's sake she was prepared to leave her village and teammate...in part two she was prepared to kill Sasuke for the sake of her Village and Teammate. Sakura willing to do that was Kishi showing how Sakura has grown and her feeling changed.

[luffyq1]

Its a pure crush for Ino and a simple explanation is.....16 old Ino>>>>full reverse throttle>>>>12 year old Ino mode initiated>>>>fangirl mode on! Apart from this, I don't see a valid reason for Ino's crush to be valid!

I don't think any character's legit feelings are to be looked at as a crush. Naruto, Sakura and Hinata crushes all became love either during part 1 or 2. I think it's safe to say that Ino followed suit. Temari and TenTen both found Sasuke to be good looking, but those attractions never blossomed into anything.

In her defense, she never got the same treatment as Sakura as in being detested and such. She just lock her love life and that's it. Her love life is basically closed...or so it would seem. But at least that last development says it all. Everyone has to grow up. Besides, it's not like they're 21.

Her love life is not being explored because she's a side character and side characters tend to be irrelevant. TenTen and Shino are prime examples and It'd be a miracle to have ink dedicated to them.

[FireFox]

Good to know it would be a step back for character to abandon everyone she knows in the village including her own family because of crush even if it did evolve into love.

Though I don't really see how offering to go with him was meant to convince him to stay. I can't really picture a scenario where Sasuke would respond with anything other than "look just kitten off already"

Well like @luffyq1 said she was desperate and irrational during the whole confession she wasn't thinking clearly at all but then Sasuke rejects her with him saying you are annoying and just  proceeds to walk away (SS dead right here) its then when she tries to stop him again by saying she will scream if she was serious about going with him in the first place she wouldn't have tried to stop him by screaming and then he knocks her out END of SS . 

 

Sakura falls in what if a fangirl learns the truth behind a guy whom she loves. This is the answer. Not saying it will always happen like this, but this is something that she has been warned. She tried her best to be the girl we all know in caring but he kept detesting her. Then, that night is when everything seriously change. Sakura finally admits that their relationship has been terrible. It truly felt like a closure and now reading the latest chapter, it really make sense. I mean ask yourself, what exactly are we waiting for with SS. It kicks me that there's nothing. Nothing but Team 7.

Its bad enough that there are translations out there like @Hanabi posted the second one in present-tense that makes it appear like her "love" for him evolved while in the MP and MS its in  past tense , otherwise SS is dead finished kaput there is nothing left but the resolution of T7 they parting on good therms and everyone goes on his own path. 

[Gojira]

So wait is past tense or present tense I'm hearing people say both here.

[narusaku256]

I don't think any character's legit feelings are to be looked at as a crush. Naruto, Sakura and Hinata crushes all became love either during part 1 or 2. I think it's safe to say that Ino followed suit. Temari and TenTen both found Sasuke to be good looking, but those attractions never blossomed into anything.

Well, to be honest, in the whole of series the only 'love' that makes sense is Naruto's and Sakura's love. Not being biased here but strangely that's the truth. Hinata basically admires Naruto and Sakura loved a guy from her thoughts while reality was completely different. It was never stated Ino's crush transformed to true love. As time progressed she just got over it and her interactions with Sasuke are more of shown like a part of her character. That's why Sasuke says, 'She's as noisy as ever!'

[FireFox]

I don't think any character's legit feelings are to be looked at as a crush. Naruto, Sakura and Hinata crushes all became love either during part 1 or 2. I think it's safe to say that Ino followed suit. Temari and TenTen both found Sasuke to be good looking, but those attractions never blossomed into anything.

Her love life is not being explored because she's a side character and side characters tend to be irrelevant. TenTen and Shino are prime examples and It'd be a miracle to have ink dedicated to them.

What Hinata and Sakura have for Naruto and Sasuke is Admiration(Hinata) (False Image/Infatuation) mistaken for love  its not real love in a sense . Heck @narusaku256 beat me to it lol.

 

So wait is past tense or present tense I'm hearing people say both here.

In MP and MS Kakashi's monologue is in past tense wile in one of the translations that @Hanabi provided one is in past tense the other is in present tense

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think he's saying that there's no crush level in the series or rather based on Kishi's mind. It's love or not. Plain and simple.

@luffyq1: That's also a factor. Honestly, I rather get one great quality over quantity. But again, that's just me.

[narusaku256]

What Hinata and Sakura have for Naruto and Sasuke is Admiration(Hinata) (False Image/Infatuation) mistaken for love  its not real love in a sense . Heck @narusaku256 beat me to it lol.

There's always a next time bro XD

[TouKen4Life3g]

I still don't get what are we arguing about. Not us, I mean us and well, them. It really feels like it should have ended back in part 1 or heck, back in Yamato. I haven't seen a support for SS in ages. Anime keeps saying, "Look, it's bad, you should feel bad for supporting." Why do we need to continue on? Keep in mind, this is referring to others, not you guys. Honestly, give up. This is worse than normal army going after Godzilla after 20 movies.

[Askia31]

What you guys think of this?

 

 

by mezzomarinaio

Oookay... since every translator under the sun is giving his/her own interpretation of Kakashi's thoughts, I guess I'll throw in my two cents as well. I actually wanted to wait for the official raws, but everyone seems to be taking this snippet as legit, so... might as well. 

I don't think there's any need to translate everything once again (since the various versions I've seen until now in the FC are fine by me)... so I'll just concentrate on clarifying a few points that I've seen creating some confusion.

1) The infamous 'if' used by Kakashi to 'cast doubt' on Sakura's feelings is... not actually present in the original text. XD It was simply added in one of the translations because it's an integral part of the English construction 'even if'. Alternative methods to say the same thing in English would be 'even though', 'despite', 'while', 'although', 'notwithstanding the fact that', and so on. Choose whichever one you prefer, it doesn't matter. The Japanese text (at least, the version that we have at the moment) doesn't have any 'if'.

2) On that same note, I'm really not sure why some translators chose to render the sentence 同じ好きでもその思いは別のものだ as 'Even if you may still like him, that feeling is something different'. XD To clarify, there is no 'may' in Kakashi's sentence, nor any other expression of doubt. He literally says 'Even though it's the same love, that feeling is something different'.

Since his first sentence about 'Sakura's feelings towards Sasuke being different' could possibly be ambiguous, Kakashi immediately hastens to add that while 'it's the same love' (i.e. still romantic in nature, since he can't possibly be implying that she's still a fangirl in a paragraph where he's praising her for her maturity), those same feelings are now on a different level. 

If Kakashi had wanted to imply that she still loves him, but not in a romantic way, he wouldn't have used the word 'onaji' (same, identical - obviously referring to his chapter 3 flashback, where the 'suki' he mentions is explicitly romantic). He would have used the word 'mada' (still), and probably something else other than 'suki' (maybe 'ki ni naru') - since that 'suki', being connected to his chapter 3 flashback, obviously carries romantic connotations.

3) Finally, the past form in the last sentence. Now, the reason for that form is quite clear in the original text - but unfortunately, the translators decided to change Sasuke's name to 'the one', thus giving a different nuance to the whole thing. I'm assuming they probably just wanted to avoid repetition (since Sasuke's name is mentioned twice in a single sentence)... except that that double mention is kind of important, because it's used to contrast the two different Sasukes that Kakashi is thinking of. XD

To clarify:

命を狙われた相手を今だに思う

何があろうと好いていたサスケを切り捨てず サスケを闇から救うのは自分の役目だと思 っている

You still care for/have feelings for someone who tried to take your life.

Saving Sasuke from the darkness without cutting down/casting away the Sasuke you were so fond of, no matter what happens, is something that you think of as your own duty. 

Kakashi is saying that Sakura wants to be the one to save the 'current' Sasuke from darkness, without abandoning/killing the 'old' Sasuke that she knows is still inside of him.

This entire part is simply expounding on his first statement (where he says that her feelings have changed, though she still loves him 'like that'). He explains that her feelings have changed in that they are still present despite the fact that Sasuke tried to kill her (not at all shallow anymore!), and that she thinks it her duty to save him and bring back the Sasuke that she knew and loved (not at all focused on herself anymore!).

Basically, Kakashi's (paraphrased) train of thought goes like this: "Sakura, your feelings toward Sasuke have changed since that time, haven't they? Even though you still feel the same romantic love for him, the weight of those feelings is very different. You still have feelings for him even after he tried to kill you, and you want to be the one to save him from darkness without discarding the 'good' Sasuke that you know is still inside him. You're such a kind girl, so different from the shallow one from my flashback. Well done!"

 

that would make it very SS IMO.

 

i cant wait for the raw really.

Edited by Askia31, 09 May 2014 - 07:42 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Isn't that based on a fake script...

[FireFox]

There's always a next time bro XD

LOL Then i will beat you to it XD 

 

I still don't get what are we arguing about. Not us, I mean us and well, them. It really feels like it should have ended back in part 1 or heck, back in Yamato. I haven't seen a support for SS in ages. Anime keeps saying, "Look, it's bad, you should feel bad for supporting." Why do we need to continue on? Keep in mind, this is referring to others, not you guys. Honestly, give up. This is worse than normal army going after Godzilla after 20 movies.

Well @4life we are basically arguing about things like the post above me you see they don't give up for all that translation the end still doesn't make sense She's kind girl to want to save him because she loves him ?  That doesn't make any sense and makes it look like she's doing it out of pity not out of love for him  . Fake translation as hell .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 09 May 2014 - 07:50 PM.