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[PhenixElite]

One thing that had me annoyed is that when 615 was released members of this forum (aside from freaking out at Naruto holding Hinata's hand lol). It's that they started assuming that Hinata has taken Sakura's role as the heroine of the series (which I think it's silly). Kishi made it clear in a interview long ago that Sakura is the heroine period. Also the cover photo of 616 proves it showing Sakura wearing her samurai armor and the text saying" heroes and heroines" if Hinata was the heroine then she would've be the one to be in that cover picture. Another thing there were also some thinking the cover picture of the first 2013 chapter will be Naruto holding Hinata's hand fighting together, yeah right.

I found the "NH is canon, i jump ship, abandon ship, the war is lost" comments much more annoying .
But well, i hope some people learned to wait till the end of the manga before they the decide to jump the ship.

[kirabook]

I didn't think Hinata was taking Sakura role, I know she's the heroine, even if Kishi doesn't write her like one.

I still do not like it because that moment is something we should have expected from Sakura. It's not that Hinata has sucked away Sakura's role in the manga, but it seems she's sucked away a few of Sakura's moments.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

One thing that had me annoyed is that when 615 was released members of this forum (aside from freaking out at Naruto holding Hinata's hand lol). It's that they started assuming that Hinata has taken Sakura's role as the heroine of the series (which I think it's silly). Kishi made it clear in a interview long ago that Sakura is the heroine period. Also the cover photo of 616 proves it showing Sakura wearing her samurai armor and the text saying" heroes and heroines" if Hinata was the heroine then she would've be the one to be in that cover picture. Another thing there were also some thinking the cover picture of the first 2013 chapter will be Naruto holding Hinata's hand fighting together, yeah right.

Show me one chapter of Sakura fighting alongside Naruto since bell's test, it's nice for kishi to say "Sakura is the heroine of the series" but did she fight? did she fight alongside Naruto? on this war arc Hinata did more things for Naruto than Sakura(including more panels) and i hope the next chapters shows more Sakura.
Saying that she's the heroine is one thing but showing this on manga is another stuff.

It's the same dilemma when there was so much Sasuke that people were suggesting for kishi to change the name to "Sasuke" instead of "Naruto".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 January 2013 - 02:55 PM.

[Chatte]

Show me one chapter of Sakura fighting alongside Naruto since bell's test, it's nice for kishi to say "Sakura is the heroine of the series" but did she fight? did she fight alongside Naruto? on this war arc Hinata did more things for Naruto than Sakura(including more panels) and i hope he change this.
Saying that she's the heroine is one thing but showing this on manga is another stuff.

But Hinata didn't fight alongside Naruto. She just pep-talked him. Different things.
What Sakura did in this war, is far more than what Hinata did.
It's just that people don't see this.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

But Hinata didn't fight alongside Naruto. She just pep-talked him. Different things.
What Sakura did in this war, is far more than what Hinata did.
It's just that people don't see this.

I said for Naruto, and one of the main heroine's duties is to fight alongside the main hero,
She pep-talked to him but Naruto and Sakura barely had any interaction on this arc yet.

We had 3, first he saving her, second she thinking about of him and the third Naruto saying "Sakura-chan him first".

NAruto and Hinata had more interaction until now, i hope he starts showing Naruto and Sakura interactions soon

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 January 2013 - 03:00 PM.

[PhenixElite]

I said for Naruto.
She pep-talked to him but Naruto and Sakura barely had any interaction on this arc yet.

We had 3, first he saving her, second she thinking about of him and the third Naruto saying "Sakura-chan him first".

NAruto and Hinata had more interaction until now, i hope he starts showing Naruto and Sakura interactions soon

Theres no need for a heroine to fight the whole time alongside naruto. Important is that she has a lot of screentime. Shes the character with most screentime after naruto.
Im also sure that theres a reason that sakura hasnt done much dor naruto in the war arc. If we think about it, sakura and naruto almost never met each other during the war and kishi seems to do this on purpose.
The last real interaction between them was back in summit arc and it left a lot og things open to discuss.

So i wouldnt really mind sakuras lack of interaction with naruto during this arc, i think kishi is just stalling their interaction.

[Sojobo]

One thing that had me annoyed is that when 615 was released members of this forum (aside from freaking out at Naruto holding Hinata's hand lol). It's that they started assuming that Hinata has taken Sakura's role as the heroine of the series (which I think it's silly). Kishi made it clear in a interview long ago that Sakura is the heroine period. Also the cover photo of 616 proves it showing Sakura wearing her samurai armor and the text saying" heroes and heroines" if Hinata was the heroine then she would've be the one to be in that cover picture. Another thing there were also some thinking the cover picture of the first 2013 chapter will be Naruto holding Hinata's hand fighting together, yeah right.

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I see I'm not the only one who was thinking that.
Hinata just had her developpement, it was her time to shine. What will people say when we'll see Shikamaru or other character taking the hero's place for a bit ? That Shikamaru became the hero or what ?
I'm not a Sakura fan, but I like NS pairing, this doesn't mean that I don't see Sakura as the heroine of the manga. Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura & Kakashi are the main characters. All other are side characters.
Hinata has no impact on the main story, Sakura has. It isn't a matter of who is better at shining or who looks more badass than each other. No, it's about influence on the main story.

Hinata had her time, it is enough now, like Kishimoto said, one character will appear after another. Kishimoto is probably done with Hinata and Neji.
Next please.

I don't think it will be Sakura's time yet, but her time will come for sure.
Just be patient and don't say things like "NS is done". I could say that too in Pain Arc, or even before Naruto/Neji fight in first part.
Think about logic first my friends, a guy can't forget his love in one day. Naruto is still in love with Sakura, and Kishimoto is positive about this too. Just look at ROAD TO NINJA and Chikara, two shows that were wrote by Kishi himself in war period, just before Hinata get her time with Naruto. ROAD TO NINJA was wrote after the "holding hands speech of Hinata.

I mean, come on, if Kishimoto wanted to make Naruto in love with Hinata, he would never insist in his love about Sakura in other shows.
He would already have done the nessecary develloppement of letting him forget about his feelings for her or doubting about his feelings in general.
But he didn't. He just use silence to make suspence. Making hope for Hinata fans.

Think about Yamato's speech. It's the same, he didn't let him finish his sentence cause it was too early to make NaruSaku, no, Sakura's feelings for Naruto canon.
What he wrote in Databook about her isn't bullsh** either.


That's all for me.
Sorry for my bad english.

Edited by Sojobo, 21 January 2013 - 03:15 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, nice to read these comments. I guess we felt a little silly. True, it didn't need to be all lovey dovey, but I don't know, it was one of those rare times (for me at least) that I start to doubt Kishi's intentions. It's a good thing I waited. It's strange because I felt 616 was inevitable for any NH, platonic or not. They have like over 4 chances to demonstrate the seriousness of NH. Of course, Kishi failed in all fronts. How the heck he missed the opportunity for color page? It will be sad for NS teamwork actually happen here but not NH. Who knows though. As of now, I give Kishi credit to give Hinata's wish come true without making romantic and it makes sense (chakra transferring). Well, I thought it would have been more silly to think the color page would have Obito thinking him and Rin from NH. That's me. How silly.

@Sojobo: Nice post. For the record, Kishi didn't do Chikara, but you can say at least anime studio believes that NS is still the main pairing. To me, RtN is enough proof of Kishi's intentions. He had all the control to himself, so there's no excuse that NS is not from him. He didn't need to do another bridal save or another parallel reenactment. Bottom line, NH being canon will make the movie complete awkward to watch.

[redragon88]

@Sojobo

Wait, Kishi didn't write Chikara. Hinata had healing powers in that one. That was a pure anime fail. Although, the arc as a whole was pretty interesting nonetheless.

Still, given how the anime, whether Kishi is involved or not, is still keeping Naruto's feelings for Sakura as strong as ever with Road to Ninja, Chikara, and episode 235 it would look extremely out of place for Naruto to suddenly change his mind.

On the other hand, the anime loves to play with Sakura's ever growing affection of Naruto given her extra scenes during Naruto's training during the Immortals arc, the teases during the openings and endings, and occasional filler moments of Sakura just being tsundere with Naruto.

Edited by redragon88, 21 January 2013 - 04:01 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@Sojobo

Wait, Kishi didn't write Chikara. Hinata had healing powers in that one. That was a pure anime fail. Although, the arc as a whole was pretty interesting nonetheless.

Still, given how the anime, whether Kishi is involved or not, is still keeping Naruto's feelings for Sakura as strong as ever with Road to Ninja, Chikara, and episode 235 it would look extremely out of place for Naruto to suddenly change his mind.

On the other hand, the anime loves to play with Sakura's ever growing affection of Naruto given her extra scenes during Naruto's training during the Immortals arc, the teases during the openings and endings, and occasional filler moments of Sakura just being tsundere with Naruto.

Pretty much this.

Plus, anime usually increase the moments of one pairing that is most likely canon by the end, in this case NS. It's normal to be honest and it just gives fans more pleasure to watch and enjoy.

[naruto-z]

After reading the manga for long enough and having been with the forum for long enough, nothing freaks me out anymore in regards to fandom. I've seen the worst of the worst scenarios and nothing will really scare me except the final result. I mean what's scarier than Hinata directing professing her love and naruto denying Sakura for an instant. Reading about Hinata wanting to hold Naruto's hand just doesn't compare

[Sojobo]

@Sojobo: Nice post. For the record, Kishi didn't do Chikara, but you can say at least anime studio believes that NS is still the main pairing. To me, RtN is enough proof of Kishi's intentions. He had all the control to himself, so there's no excuse that NS is not from him. He didn't need to do another bridal save or another parallel reenactment. Bottom line, NH being canon will make the movie complete awkward to watch.

My bad, I thought that Kishi did wrote it too.
But this doesn't change the facts, we see in animu, in series, overall, Naruto loves Sakura. It has been difused during war period, the famous period where the opposite fandom thinks that Naruto doens't love Sakura anymore. o__O

If this was Kishi intention, he woudn't do the opposite in other shows.

Still, given how the anime, whether Kishi is involved or not, is still keeping Naruto's feelings for Sakura as strong as ever with Road to Ninja, Chikara, and episode 235 it would look extremely out of place for Naruto to suddenly change his mind.

That's what we have to keep in mind.
I am searching, but I don't find any moment where Naruto is doubting about his feelings.
This developpement doesn't exist in the manga, so, presenting Naruto as a guy who fell in love with Hinata in the last chapters, sorry, there is a problem.
And this is why we can believe in Sakura becoming in love with Naruto in the last chapters, cause there was developpement about her doubting about her feelings FOR NARUTO.
The author made it obvious, Sakura has feelings for Naruto, but she doesn't know the nature of them. And he never said that she didn't love Sasuke anymore, so... the argument of "she loves Sasuke = she doesn't love Naruto" is not right.
To me, it's like Stardrive Takuto, the girl is in love with both Sasuke and Naruto. The nature of her feelings are just different.
And I think, one is probably real love, and this one must be her love for Naruto. It is too strong for her to realize it, she can't even undertand them. And love isn't undertandable, right ?
You cannot explain to someone why you really love someone.
Uncouncsious feelings are the strongest, just look at Dark Naruto and his feelings for Konohagakure villagers.

On the other hand, the anime loves to play with Sakura's ever growing affection of Naruto given her extra scenes during Naruto's training during the Immortals arc, the teases during the openings and endings, and occasional filler moments of Sakura just being tsundere with Naruto.

The animu even use Sai for that.
I mean come on, Hinata developpement doesn't matter at all, we know wich girl Kishi wants Naruto to love.
I would have serious doubts if he created some developpement about Naruto doubting about his feelings. There is no such a thing to be found in the manga.

Edited by Sojobo, 21 January 2013 - 04:48 PM.

[T XD]

Naruto doubting about his feelings, I find it ridiculous. Loving someone then out of the blue having feelings for someone else for talking with him and encouraging him, is illogical. There's no reason for why Naruto would change his love from Sakura to Hinata.
Even making development for NH would be wrong for the manga. If ever, Kishi would do it from the beginning of Shippuden. Though, a manga don't shift the protagonist love to another one.

I think Hinata will get some more moments in the future, in this arc and others. Plus, if Kishi decided to show Naruto talking, in other words refuse, to Hinata about her confession, then this will be her last development and not that one in ch.615.

By the way, when will ch.617 be released ? Tuesday or Wednesday ?

Edited by T XD, 21 January 2013 - 05:54 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Naruto doubting about his feelings, I find it ridiculous. Loving someone than out of the blue having feelings for someone else for talking with him and encouraging him, is illogical. There's no reason for why Naruto would change his love from Sakura to Hinata.
Even making development for NH would be wrong for the manga. If ever, Kishi would do it from the beginning of Shippuden. Though, a manga don't shift the protagonist love to another one.

I think Hinata will get some more moments in the future, in this arc and others. Plus, if Kishi decided to show Naruto talking, in other words refuse, to Hinata about her confession, then this will be her last development and not that one in ch.615.

By the way, when will ch.617 be released ? Tuesday or Wednesday ?

To me, it depends. If there's any NS in this arc, especially something similar to Pain Arc in terms of aftermath, then I would say Hinata is good as done. Kishi can (which is not new) ignore side characters once this arc ends, so don't be surprise. Heck, it felt like he ignored everyone else after Pain Arc, so this won't surprise me. I don't know, I'm at the point that Kishi only see Hinata as fanservice. Otherwise, he would have made a big deal but only made it as her development. If anything, Kishi would make Hinata understand herself without getting rejected, rather just move on and respect Naruto.

I believe it will be released on Wednesday.

[Slextrem]

So, did anyone feel a little silly for thinking that Hinata would fight with Naruto like some lovey dovey style?

Naruto passing his chakra to the Alliance seemed the most likely to me, but I'll admit, I was holding my breath when I went to read the chapter.

Honestly though, I'm not sure why so many people thought that he would only fight with Hinata. I'm smacking myself for treating that as a possibility at all. He has an entire army behind him! Why only power up and attack with Hinata, whom is weak compared to most, when he could power up at least 1/4th of the troops behind him? I shall never doubt my logic again.

[Phantom_999]

I said for Naruto, and one of the main heroine's duties is to fight alongside the main hero,
She pep-talked to him but Naruto and Sakura barely had any interaction on this arc yet.

We had 3, first he saving her, second she thinking about of him and the third Naruto saying "Sakura-chan him first".

NAruto and Hinata had more interaction until now, i hope he starts showing Naruto and Sakura interactions soon

Uh, no. That is not one of the main heroine's duties. And if it was, Sakura would just be a Naruto fan-girl like she was with Sasuke and Hinata was (which she now has to prove she overcame, but I doubt). Sakura is the main heroine because she KNOWS Naruto is not the center of the universe and has proven that she is strong with or with out Naruto. Yes we know she loves Naruto, yes we would like to see them as a battle couple, and yes it would be a SWEET smack to the face for those fanatic NH fans that hound on NS and Sakura both, but if that was what Sakura was all about than she would only ever be the love interest and I rather she be something more than that. She WILL do something for Naruto, just not now and I would not say that being the heroine is about doing something for her man as a basis

Edited by Phantom_999, 21 January 2013 - 05:58 PM.

[T XD]

To me, it depends. If there's any NS in this arc, especially something similar to Pain Arc in terms of aftermath, then I would say Hinata is good as done. Kishi can (which is not new) ignore side characters once this arc ends, so don't be surprise. Heck, it felt like he ignored everyone else after Pain Arc, so this won't surprise me. I don't know, I'm at the point that Kishi only see Hinata as fanservice. Otherwise, he would have made a big deal but only made it as her development. If anything, Kishi would make Hinata understand herself without getting rejected, rather just move on and respect Naruto.

I believe it will be released on Wednesday.

I think, too, that most probably, Hinata will move on and so. But, what if Naruto talked to her ? this will be her closure of her development if it will be that way.

I'm sure we'll get something from Hinata about her affection for Naruto... again.

[Gravenimage]

I think, too, that most probably, Hinata will move on and so. But, what if Naruto talked to her ? this will be her closure of her development if it will be that way.

I'm sure we'll get something from Hinata about her affection for Naruto... again.

I doubt Naruto will talk to her. Since Hinata is just a side character her confession can be ignore and forgotten, it is not vital to the plot of the story to talk to her about her confession or anything romance related

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Uh, no. That is not one of the main heroine's duties. And if it was, Sakura would just be a Naruto fan-girl like she was with Sasuke and Hinata was (which she now has to prove she overcame, but I doubt). Sakura is the main heroine because she KNOWS Naruto is not the center of the universe and has proven that she is strong with or with out Naruto. Yes we know she loves Naruto, yes we would like to see them as a battle couple, and yes it would be a SWEET smack to the face for those fanatic NH fans that hound on NS and Sakura both, but if that was what Sakura was all about than she would only ever be the love interest and I rather she be something more than that. She WILL do something for Naruto, just not now and I would not say that being the heroine is about doing something for her man as a basis

HhAHAHAHA,
Sakura's desire is to fight alongside Naruto, fangirl is another stuff.
it's one of the main heroine's duties, the others are supporting him and other stuff.
Like i said if she fight alongside Naruto for once she would stop thinking bad about herself.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 January 2013 - 06:08 PM.

[sushi.]

I think, too, that most probably, Hinata will move on and so. But, what if Naruto talked to her ? this will be her closure of her development if it will be that way.

I'm sure we'll get something from Hinata about her affection for Naruto... again.

She needs to talk to him. It seems she's still not over him.
Naruto: I'm sorry, you're a nice girl and a good friend, but there is someone else I can't take my eyes off.

She needs a verbal rejection, so the message is clear to her. (and us.) I want him to answer her confession, he can't just leave it uncompleted. NH needs closure before NS becomes canon. Even if she is a side character, I want this story to be complete, with no holes.

Edited by sushi., 21 January 2013 - 06:10 PM.