In other words, sellout?

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#681
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:07 AM
In other words, sellout?
DK
#682
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:09 AM
moneymoneymoneymoneymoney...
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Fare thee well, Albert, my friend."
#683
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:12 AM
If you've read Bakuman, you wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. There are some draconian editors over there who only care about the manga doing well in ratings and sales. Not the story itself and caring about the mangaka's feelings about his own story. Editors are rotated every once in a while. If Kishi got stuck with an a**hole, then he's screwed. And this chapter convinced me.
Edited by Codus N, 28 December 2012 - 04:12 AM.
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#684
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:13 AM
Why would I care about fans that are not buying my Manga the same way the fans in my country does, plus the only reason why Hinata was more popular than Sakura was because of the whole Summit arc fiasco, Am pretty sure that after the movie she became very popular again, lastly it wasn't that Hinata was way, but way more popular than Sakura, for example when we compare Naruto's popularity vs Sakura's own, was more of a couple hundred fans had a different opinion worst when we consider that this was right after Sakura's worsts moment since part 2 when she lost a big part of her fanbase.
Edited by Don-kun, 28 December 2012 - 04:17 AM.
#685
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:17 AM
Uhhh... you do know SJ Alpha are paid subscriptions, right?? so if SJ Alpha readers have commented on NH, then it's obvious Kishi is considering their opinions. If he did decide to make NH canon not just from the fans' opinions in Japan but also the ones abroad reading SJ Alpha, it's not that impossible to think so.
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#686
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:43 AM
While I agree with some of your point, the SJ Alpha does not pay Kishi himself is more like the people who own the right for Naruto are making all the money they can make from the story.
On the other hand no Author will feel that he is the owner of his own story if he have to write thing the way the fans want, that's is just plain s*upid.
Kishi might get on Idea of how to draw the fans attention but at the end he will do the story the way he pleases, after all he stated that he already had in mind how Naruto will end and also the final pairing but he just need to find how to go about it.
After all it seems that you are really forgetting RTN and the way many myself including who thought for a moment that this would definitely be a movie for NH and SS and while it would not be consider canon it count as Author intent, but in the end it went NS way.
I see the same with the Manga, NH not so much but SS is very popular in Japan and by focusing on Hinata's character while not saying anything about Naruto feelings or SS is a great way to make all NS fans believes that their development will over come this, NH chances are big right now and since Naruto will be out of the way of a redeemed Sasuke SS might have a chance.
He could keep this up until the near end to keep pairing fans reading his story. Lets face it, if Hinata didn't become a threat to NS the it's obvious that no fan will believe in NH while at the same time it might not be clearing the way for a sunken SS ship.
Edited by Don-kun, 28 December 2012 - 04:48 AM.
#687
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:45 AM
They are the cause of all ills!

#688
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:49 AM
On the other hand no Author will feel that he is the owner of his own story if he have to write thing the way the fans want, that's is just plain s*upid.
Kishi might get on Idea of how to draw the fans attention but at the end he will do the story the way he pleases, after all he stated that he already had in mind how Naruto will end and also the final pairing but he just need to find how to go about it.
After all it seems that you are really forgetting RTN and the way many myself including that this would definitely be a movie for NH and SS and while it would not be consider canon it count as Author intent, but in the end it went NS way.
I see the same with the Manga, NH not so much but SS is very popular in Japan and by focusing on Hinata's character while not saying anything about Naruto feelings and SS is a great way to make all NS fans believes that their development will over come this, NH chances are big right now and since Naruto will be out of the way of a redeemed Sasuke SS might have a chance.
He could keep this up until the near end to keep pairing fans reading his story. Lets face it, if Hinata didn't become a threat to NS the it's obvious that no fan will believe in NH while at the same time it might be clearing the way for SS.
SJ Alpha is a cooperation between Viz and JUMP. So, any profit (partially) from Alpha goes back to JUMP and then later goes to Kishi.
Lastly, I think you severely underestimate the power an editor has. Remember, JUMP employs Kishi. They can just fire him and cancel his series if they want to. Who knows, if JUMP is currently being manned by a dictatorial editorship then it must be extremely painful to work. Not only that, OP is their flagship in Japan, so if they cancel Naruto, they probably wouldn't care.
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#689
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:50 AM
I agree. I'm not expecting Hinata to just suddenly disappear from the action, but it's possible that her main focus is over. Or not. I mean, I didn't see Kishimoto forcing her into the plot in this way, when she has had no role up to this point, so who knows. But like others have said, it feels so forced. Contrived and... manufactured, if that makes sense. It's difficult to see how Hinata could possibly be relevant to subsequent events, especially when it comes to Team 7. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
Yes. You'll notice that all of Naruto's internal dialogue was about being inspired and supported. Kishimoto had to switch to Hinata's thoughts to make it about romantic feelings or any relationship between them. That's a very obvious and important distinction. The only way their interactions ever have any romantic significance or weight is from Hinata's perspective. Kishimoto had a chance to give Naruto a more romantic thought about Hinata -- even if it was as simple as "wow, she really does love me" -- and he didn't. Zip.
Could it be because Naruto is dense and doesn't think about romance in the middle of battle? Sure, it could be that. But his clone still managed to call Sakura "Sakura-chan" -- in the middle of battle, when he saw that she was okay. It's a small tell, perhaps, but it's a tell -- and there has yet to be a single tell where Hinata is concerned. Could Naruto finally have a tell for Hinata? Sure. But it hasn't happened yet, and in my opinion there's just as much reason to believe it will never happen as there is to believe it suddenly will.
Since part I, has any character focused on romantic feelings during fights except Hinata? I can't think of any, but that doesn't mean anything. I'm just curious.
Perhaps it's intended as continuity? I mean, her character has always been weak and revolved solely around Naruto. It would be unrealistic for Hinata's romantic focus to have completely transformed in a few moments. Just like it would be unrealistic if Naruto's did....
But I could also see him saying "I'll take the thing you love..." then pulling a switch and going after Sakura. Sakura's "death" at Obito's hand would taken down both Naruto and Kakashi. So there's a high collateral damage there. (I say "death" because she would never get killed off. There'd be a reset button somewhere.)
Yeah, my imgination keeps drifting back to this as well. And we know that Obito, and Zetsu on his behalf, has been spying on other characters for ages. It would not be a stretch to discover that Obito already knows/suspects Naruto's feelings for Sakura.
I don't know. Kishimoto has so many irons in the fire right now, it's difficult to guess where he's going to go next. But as I said in my last post, I just don't see Obito stopping his assault on Naruto's psyche. Even Madara commented that Obito seemed very keen on Naruto's response. Since Naruto didn't cave after Neji's death, it seems likely that Obito will up the stakes.
#690
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:53 AM
They are the cause of all ills!
Damn you, Storm 2! You've doomed us allllll!

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Fare thee well, Albert, my friend."
#691
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:57 AM
Lastly, I think you severely underestimate the power an editor has. Remember, JUMP employs Kishi. They can just fire him and cancel his series if they want to. Who knows, if JUMP is currently being manned by a dictatorial editorship then it must be extremely painful to work. Not only that, OP is their flagship in Japan, so if they cancel Naruto, they probably wouldn't care.
I never ever thought about and Editor power over a Mangaka's story when we have said Mangaka stating that he already fired 4 Editors for not chairing his same view.
If Editors where so powerful as you said then Kishi will never had the power to fire the 1st one in the first place much less 4.
I get what you say but you are forgetting that Naruto is very popular, just like Pokemon, if a Mangaka get fired by someone but his story is really popular then he will get a job from another CO.
#692
Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:58 AM

Dammit DOOM! This is all your fault somehow! I just know it! OVER FIFTEEN YEARS LATER, YOUR POISON BEARS FRUIT!
I'm watching you DOOM! And you Mortal Kombat! You can't fool me! This is all your fault! @_____@
Edited by dl316bh, 28 December 2012 - 05:00 AM.

#693
Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:02 AM
If Editors where so powerful as you said then Kishi will never had the power to fire the 1st one in the first place much less 4.
I get what you say but you are forgetting that Naruto is very popular, just like Pokemon, if a Mangaka get fired by someone but his story is really popular then he will get a job from another CO.
Do you have proof Kishi firing his editors?? as far as I know, editors are rotated by the editorials. Mangakas could request for an editor change, but they're usually not taken into account by the editorials.
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#694
Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:07 AM
SCREAMING! SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE!

#695
Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:08 AM
Those rumors were strong in NF, I really didn't focus on it since I don't think it matters but I didn't have a reason to not believe the more invested in Naruto story detail by detail fans.
To me some of those people eat, dream and live for Naruto story something I don't see hare, many people have a life here Naruto is not their only life.
#696
Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:11 AM

Any thoughts I have on this chapter would merely be a repeat of what everyone else said.
Geez, my chest had a tight, cold feeling when I first read this chapter. NaruSaku has been my OTP for years (as it has for many others, I'm sure) and I've always strongly believed that NaruSaku was end game. But after this...I'm not sure anymore. Especially with how shaky Kishi now comes off as. I'm going to try and keep my hopes low. I will always love NaruSaku, but...I don't know. If NaruSaku doesn't become canon and NaruHina does, I probably will be jumping ship. Not because I'm not loyal or I don't love the pairing enough. But because it would hurt too much. I've gotten too emotionally attached to the pairing and to stay active in it's fandom would just be too painful. NaruSaku is the main reason why I continue to follow the manga because, like another person said, the manga kind of lost the appeal for me. I used to care less about pairings but I suppose that changed when Part 2 rolled around.
I have a small hope that it'll become canon, but I just don't know anymore. Hinata suddenly taking Sakura's place, Naruto holding Hinata's hand...I don't know anymore. I really don't. While it's true that it's not quite set in stone, it seems like this is where Kishi is going. Everytime Hinata shows up in the war, I keep hoping Sakura will show up, that Sakura will have time to shine. But I only get greeted with more Hinata. (Whom, I admit, I hate.)
What is also bothering me is that this arc has had more Naru <-> Hina mutual development than ever before. Even to the point where third party people are pointing it out. (Kiba's comment.)
Sakura's reaction panel may or may not mean something. It's really hard to tell. Kind of like Hinata's reaction shot when Sakura hugged Naruto in front of everyone. It stood out, but it never meant anything in the end. (At least so far.)
Anyways, I've stopped buying Naruto merchandise until we finally see what pairing is end game.
Sorry for being pessimistic. But it's hard not to.
If Kishi pulls an ObiRin parallel with NaruHina, then I may just quit.
Moving on, does anyone else feel like Naruto isn't Naruto if he falls for Hinata? Maybe it's just me but...I've always seen his love for Sakura as a HUGE part of his character. Naruto just wouldn't be Naruto if he stopped loving Sakura. At least in my eyes.
#697
Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:13 AM
The family that couldn't be.
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#698
Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:14 AM
SAKURA/NARUTO/HINATA THREE WAY
OT3
PROBLEMS SOLVED

#699
Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:14 AM
Agreed. It just wouldn't make any sense.
"The time has come at last for you to learn everything . . .
Fare thee well, Albert, my friend."
#700
Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:30 AM


Edited by Phantom_999, 28 December 2012 - 05:34 AM.
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