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#6961 xxRomanceGirlxx

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 07:31 AM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Mar 8 2013, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree with that notion.

The Journey is very much at the heart of NaruSakus relationship and development.

to quote Mizuras NaruSaku manifesto,



This long slow but full development is what has and continues to make the pairing so strong and its interactions so much fun to read when they happen.


NaruSaku's a very developed relationship, but in some way it also isn't. Only slightly, it's minor. By Early Part 2, during the Tenchi Bridge arc, Sakura already grew so strongly attached to Naruto, it's mind-boggling. She was never that close or worried over him in Part 1, it's almost unreal. It was already changing so fast, before you can blink you have Yamato trying to say she's falling in love with Naruto. And this was early in Part 2. Sakura at the point was developing feelings for him early on, you can tell by how obvious it is IMO. Not that long ago it was all about Sasuke and only Sasuke.

So, I guess you can say the overall journey of NaruSaku is well-developed. The process of them getting together are still agonizingly slow, both Naruto and Sakura keep stepping around it. It's still meaningful and realistic. But Sakura was already starting to like him as soon as the 1st chapter of Shippuden started, right after Sasuke left (2 1/2 years aren't very long).

There's always this constant emphasis on her love for Sasuke, both in the manga and the fandom (more so the fandom) yet she started having feelings for Naruto outside of friendship in no time. All it took was Sasuke's departure to create it.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 08 March 2013 - 07:33 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 08:10 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 8 2013, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's always this constant emphasis on her love for Sasuke, both in the manga and the fandom (more so the fandom) yet she started having feelings for Naruto outside of friendship in no time. All it took was Sasuke's departure to create it.


I don't agree with that . Regardless of Sasuke leaving or not , I think her feelings for Naruto would have grown anyway . Her feelings for Naruto have friendship as a base and have grown from there . With Sasuke is the complete opposite , she starts with a crush on him to only later becoming his friend . Sakura's love for Sasuke does not really have any base to support it (at least none is shown) . And it only lasted this long because of his departure.

She started developing feelings for Naruto because of the person that she discovered him to be and not because Sasuke left . It hurts Sakura's character to say that Sasuke's departure is what caused her to become closer to Naruto . You could say that Sasuke's departure is something that caused them both suffering and brought them both closer together as something they had in common , but is not what determined their feelings for each other .

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 08:37 AM

QUOTE (narusakurama @ Mar 8 2013, 05:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't agree with that . Regardless of Sasuke leaving or not , I think her feelings for Naruto would have grown anyway . Her feelings for Naruto have friendship as a base and have grown from there . With Sasuke is the complete opposite , she starts with a crush on him to only later becoming his friend . Sakura's love for Sasuke does not really have any base to support it (at least none is shown) . And it only lasted this long because of his departure.

She started developing feelings for Naruto because of the person that she discovered him to be and not because Sasuke left . It hurts Sakura's character to say that Sasuke's departure is what caused her to become closer to Naruto . You could say that Sasuke's departure is something that caused them both suffering and brought them both closer together as something they had in common , but is not what determined their feelings for each other .


It's hard to say. There's always that likely chance that Sakura would eventually fall in love with Naruto with Sasuke still there, but again we cannot forget how irrationally blind she was to Naruto in Part 1. All she saw was Sasuke and how great he was, she never really saw Naruto for who he was until he made the promise. Given how Part 1 Sakura was still madly in love with Sasuke to the point she didn't really see anything else (Like Hinata to Naruto ironically), it would have taken years for her to recieve this wake-up call. Too many years.

I wouldn't say it hurts her character, it hurts her Part 1 version's character. Sakura had already changed and grown a lot from the way she was back then by shippuden. The point I was trying to make is that Sakura was able to take off her rose-colored Sasuke goggles because he was gone and she had Naruto, which made her acknowledge, understand, and empathize with him. I agree, this is what created her feelings and possible love for him so fast but Sasuke is why this accelerated at such a rate. If he never left, you can guarentee she would not have feelings for right now. And even if she did, it would be buried so far under her love for Sasuke you would barely see it.

But yes, essentially I pretty much agree. The feelings they have for each other is not just because of Sasuke, it's because of their actual friendship. Sasuke could never influence that, her love for Naruto is her own.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:17 AM

QUOTE (coolcatjas @ Mar 7 2013, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well there's other anime with characters named Sakura and Hinata. Some guys are named Hinata too. I am guessing people voted on the "Sakura" or "Hinata" they are used to which is why the percentages are different than "Sakura Haruno" and "Hinata Hyuga".

Still it really hurts when people hate on your favorite character... I mean, 80% negative? Poor Sakura :'(

It's an american website i think characters like Sakura could be from Sakura card captors or Sakua from Naruto but Hinata will always mean Hinata from Naruto since it's american.
Second hyuuga hinata hsa 244 votes against hinata that has 13k haters, Naruhina has 2k voters while the haters have 13k, Narusaku has 244 votes, against Naruto who has 9k positive and Sakura alone who has 6k.

About the others i think they didnt take the poll srsly.

At least they have haters.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 8 2013, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
NaruSaku's a very developed relationship, but in some way it also isn't. Only slightly, it's minor. By Early Part 2, during the Tenchi Bridge arc, Sakura already grew so strongly attached to Naruto, it's mind-boggling. She was never that close or worried over him in Part 1, it's almost unreal. It was already changing so fast, before you can blink you have Yamato trying to say she's falling in love with Naruto. And this was early in Part 2. Sakura at the point was developing feelings for him early on, you can tell by how obvious it is IMO. Not that long ago it was all about Sasuke and only Sasuke.

So, I guess you can say the overall journey of NaruSaku is well-developed. The process of them getting together are still agonizingly slow, both Naruto and Sakura keep stepping around it. It's still meaningful and realistic. But Sakura was already starting to like him as soon as the 1st chapter of Shippuden started, right after Sasuke left (2 1/2 years aren't very long).

There's always this constant emphasis on her love for Sasuke, both in the manga and the fandom (more so the fandom) yet she started having feelings for Naruto outside of friendship in no time. All it took was Sasuke's departure to create it.

I always thought that she might've started seeing him, the real him at their first mission. "What is this feeling this is naruto" Even if sasuke was still with team 7 her feelings for naruto would've kept developing to the same point they are now. And during the chuunin exams she was all red and "I don't want to see it crushed" Sasuke was there back then, and he would've hated her if she really did that but sasuke wasn't even on her mind at that moment.

Sasuke being away didn't really help developing there relationship quickly because he's still "there".
Naruto is obviously still holding back his feelings till he's able to bring sasuke back. Sakura however is showing more interest in him. But that's the case with those too.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:32 PM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Mar 8 2013, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I always thought that she might've started seeing him, the real him at their first mission. "What is this feeling this is naruto" Even if sasuke was still with team 7 her feelings for naruto would've kept developing to the same point they are now. And during the chuunin exams she was all red and "I don't want to see it crushed" Sasuke was there back then, and he would've hated her if she really did that but sasuke wasn't even on her mind at that moment.

Sasuke being away didn't really help developing there relationship quickly because he's still "there".
Naruto is obviously still holding back his feelings till he's able to bring sasuke back. Sakura however is showing more interest in him. But that's the case with those too.


Sure, she still loves Sasuke, but it's true that he blinded her. So much, to the point all she saw was him. Part 1 showcased it. And because of that blind love, there's no way her love for Naruto would be as strong or obvious as it is now. It was always Sasuke, Sasuke. I do believe she'd eventually get the same feelings for him, but it would take way longer than 3 years. Too many years would have to pass for her to actually see him with Sasuke hindering it.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 03:30 PM

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Ahh, I thought you meant that sakura would've never had feelings for naruto if sasuke was still there. Yea, it definitely would've taken her more time, so sasuke's departure made her see things from a different view. wink.gif

Now, if only naruto would confess...



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:05 PM

Guess I've mentioned before, as an author Kishi should not let a fanbase persuade him over anything no matter how big or small that fanbase is. I mean if all authors acted like this, it would lead to cave-ins for cheap money making by lousy story telling.

At this point, for anyone even reading Naruto for the pairings, that's just wrong. The story is mainly Naruto and his rival Sasuke, kishi always had a story idea about 2 friends who soon became enemies, one is good one is evil but they try to find resolution. Naruto is an action series first followed by a combination of drama and comedy. Romance is way back there.

One reason in part I feel NaruSaku or no pairings should be canon though is to just see the massive upset of radical NaruHina fans because at times, I feel like they would deserve the upset for being so rude, illogical, and downright annoying rather than just support their pairing in piece and just leave us to our own. It would also be because some think its "their" manga and they deserve or are entitled to something like their pairing. How insane can fans get?

Since this is the RTN thread though, I don't know if this was posted but it makes for some good stuff:

from http://paptala.tumbl...n-road-to-ninja

Aside from the fanserive comment, this movie was not fanservice, technically the rock lee spinoffs and fillers are given fanservice (mainly like that filler where Naruto and Sasuke end up stuck to each other and accidentally kissed again making NaruSusa fans screech with ear splitting joy (scary stuff). But again, Kishi did the NaruSaku relation secondary to Naruto's parents. Many anti-sakura and anti-NaruSaku fans say this movie was made to appease us, that because their pairings or support (for any logical reasons they even think of) will be canon and this is to let us down easy. You know what the funny thing is? How wrong they completely are.

Any fans who think their fanbase even influences the manga and determines the course for their pairing regardless of the story are completely delusional. No author should be influenced by again any fanbase, otherwise Marvel would never have done so many deaths and revivals over so many generations of readers. Not to mention, even if NaruHina did become canon the funniest thing would be, Kishi proved he could make a better relationship between Naruto and Sakura in just one movie than the entire manga between Naruto and Hinata. Not to mention, its still funny how the most successful movie with the b***h hinata all of them are suddenly worshiping like she has no flaws has no importance in it, again sidelined to the back.

The double standards of the NaruHina fanbase drive me to wonder how far has humanity come and still unable to think rationally. I mean we can look at many things with NaruSaku, even with the confession that supposedly "killed it" and recent events from chapters like 540 (sakuras depression on Sasuke) and chapter 615-617, and we can speculate and see many reasons why it is still around and why NaruSaku can still happen. For them at times, its just nope nope nope, just going to call it now, all possibliltes are closed, NaruHina is canon as of 615, don't pay any attention to the fact that we still don't know how Naruto feels, what Sakura feels about Naruto and Sasuke, and why she was the only one to get a panel during that speech, close all considerations, Naruto now suddenly loves Hinata out of the blue.

To them the story of Naruto and Sakura's relationship and development is poorly written and worthless. Naruto and Sakura mainly became close because of their time together and Sasuke leaving. They both helped and hurt each other. Naruto struggled with Sasuke for himself to be hokage, feeling he does not deserve sakura, trying to keep them both happy, and save Sasuke from his own doom. Sakura struggled with trying to help Naruto in a great effort, understanding his pain and problem as a Jinkurki, tried to make amends to Naruto with the confession (yet he still following Sasuke for both the promise and itachi revenge truth and revenge he almost took on Nagato). Sakura has put Naruto above Sasuke, even in Sasuke's presence, I mean even after almost being killed twice, she yells at him about how Naruto still accepts him as a friend, defending Naruto's statement to Sasuke and showing she supports his ideals more than her own. A relationship built over good and bad through high and low tons of interaction and plot advancement seems ideal for something more.

Yet NaruHina fans tend to think 3 moments of crammed development and minimal accomplishments constitutes as "THE BEST THING EVER WRITTEN!"

Edited by Inferno180, 08 March 2013 - 04:07 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:36 PM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Mar 8 2013, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Ahh, I thought you meant that sakura would've never had feelings for naruto if sasuke was still there. Yea, it definitely would've taken her more time, so sasuke's departure made her see things from a different view. wink.gif

Now, if only naruto would confess...

There's also a thing with Naruto confession, i think it's impossible for her to reject Naruto, because let me tell you two cases, the first is Sakura completely in love with Naruto result is that she will accept.
and the Second is she's not in love with Naruto, result is that she will accept anyway and you know why.

For SS or even NH naruto must never confess.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 8 2013, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's also a thing with Naruto confession, i think it's impossible for her to reject Naruto, because let me tell you two cases, the first is Sakura completely in love with Naruto result is that she will accept.
and the Second is she's not in love with Naruto, result is that she will accept anyway and you know why.

For SS or even NH naruto must never confess.


Well its not like Naruto can suddenly just step away from Sakura after all they did and there are a few issues prevalent to NaruHina and SasuSaku that would impact the story on a strucutal point, it would impact too much and undermine the goals of some characters in some cases.

For NaruHina, Naruto cannot suddenly just love Hinata, he would need closure with Sakura if that's how he really felt, in order to go to Hinata, Naruto would need a good reason to reciprocate those same feelings, he cannot just jump over Sakura to Hinata, you don't just have an event in which you just end a relation and then just "leave it open for another." This is essentially what many anti-narusaku fans believe, that the relation ends so Naruto just happens to start loving Hinata in these late moments of the manga, regardless of the other plot elements, mainly team 7 and other issues like the bijuu, SOT6P, curse of hatered. In all of these story elements to them its just "insert affection for Hinata here into Naruto" yet the rest with team 7 mainly still goes on.

Naruto cannot suddenly love Hinata, he would need closure with Sakura to see if she really still liked Sasuke. Right now naruto is focused on Sasuke, others take a backseat to him, Sakura is higher up there cause of the team 7 element but Hinata cannot suddenly take more importance in the overall story factor, she takes a backseat to Sakura who takes a backseat to Sasuke. Heck I can say the second most important person behind Sasuke for Naurto right now is Kakashi because Naruto can understand Kakashi is conflicted over his own friend too being revealed as the harbinger of doom.

NaruHina can happen, but not without rasing a few issues, first there is Hinata's confession, if there is downtime after the ten tails (I think that Madara and Obito may temporarily retreat but with the ten tails, even then Madara would need time (like a day or few) to master the power of the ten tails once revived before launching the eye of the moon. It would need to continue forward from this point now, and much more. It would have to be enough for Naruto to turn away from Sakura but still keep Hinata out of the team 7 conflict.

However this is the ultimate result if NaruHina happens:
-Hinata is the only one with a crush to get "her ideal crush" out of minimal interaction. Would have happened basically because "hinata hoped it would."
-Would be too convenient on Hinata's part, espcially with Sakura's confession and Naruto knowing she did it for his protection and feelings, it would be insane to think that Naruto could convince Nagato to go good and be friends with Kurama but not forgive Sakura for her actions designed to protect him.
-Would occur as a selfish desire of fans in some cases and completely twisted perceptions of a minor character.
-Would prove Kishi chose minor development out of others, possibly caved into fan demands ruining creative freedom because of their preffered desires.
-Would be out of place considering there was reason for Naruto's support to Sakura but only fulfilled Hinata's one-way development for herself, not much for Naruto.
-Would be too rushed and crammed, would prove any character can get fulfillment with little screentime.
-Hinata would ultimately have proven to be one of the most 1 dimensional characters in any anime, keeping one mentality focused on one person and not really changing much in the end. Neji would have had to die for this?
-Would become the most annoying thing of any manga fanbase because these fans would basically think they had some entitlement and would make the series get an incredibly bad name and image more than it already gets labeled with.
-Would think its some sort of status when these pairing things don't even matter in the first place.

Even more issues on the SasuSaku side, again SasuSaku cannot occur without tons of things just upsetting the story. Sasuke's relation with Sakura was not that complicated as some fans try to make it seem. Sasuke only liked Sakura as a friend but abandoned that with leaving the leaf and especially almost killing her twice. Yes Sakura has a reason to still love Sasuke but we don't know how she feels, is she really still involve with the phsyco or could she change? Thats what many anti-narusaku fans don't consider, if Orchimaru was able to gut the reaper and get the hokage souls and his arm's souls (body parts have their own souls?) then how hard is it to imagine Sakura possibly turning away from Sasuke? People act like it is an impossibility like how people in the 1800s said the lightblub was going to fail. It is highly capable and possible of happening, character development and all but to them it is an engima. But there are so many issues with this, it would cause a lot of upheaval and kishi would literally need to try and convince us in a much greater way how this stuff could even work.

There would be a freaking ton of work ahead of him this late in the story to make Sasuke change. Same issues on Sakura's side to keep her static. Sasuke would need a good reason to love Sakura, he can't just do it because she does. At the same time this would be very downgrading and wasted development on Sakura, Sakura would have kept her one static mentality that drove her to do some unwise things, not to mention forgiving him for nearly killing her twice.

If SasuSaku did occur, these are the ultimate end results:
-Sasuke given a trait he never really needed, only Naruto should be the one to show him his future of returning, no one else.
-Whatever reason Kishi could put in for Sasuke to love Sakura, it would still be happening for all the wrong reasons, basically it would occur and Sakura would get her crush "because she hoped."
-Sakura would have kept the one mental quality that could have been overcome and made her a greatly developed character, Sasuke is important to Sakura's mental being and always caused issues for her and Naruto. If she could do something about that like overcoming it or so, she would see a better reason than Sasuke, than her idealistic crush.
-Sasuke returns but still does not love Sakura, back to square one basically, its like the start of the series but Naruto completed his promise but without any real lessons learned saved things happen merely out of hope, effort does not matter in this universe apparently.
-Kishi would ultimately prove that he cannot handle heroines and has no concept of important character development or reasons for giving them certain qualities.
-Sasuke would change for useless reasons and Sakura would have remained utterly the same in the end, no real development and the stuff others encouraged her on would have gone to waste.

There are a lot more reasons than just these but the fact remains, these would be so damaging to the story, mainly on SasuSaku part, it would be utterly insane. NaruHina can occur but it would still have some hard impacts and leave more unfilled logic than addressed answers. It would be like at this point Kishi should just have Shino and Ino start making out now because he would not want to keep the majority of his consistancy for his characters if things like these began to occur.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Mar 8 2013, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guess I've mentioned before, as an author Kishi should not let a fanbase persuade him over anything no matter how big or small that fanbase is. I mean if all authors acted like this, it would lead to cave-ins for cheap money making by lousy story telling.

At this point, for anyone even reading Naruto for the pairings, that's just wrong. The story is mainly Naruto and his rival Sasuke, kishi always had a story idea about 2 friends who soon became enemies, one is good one is evil but they try to find resolution. Naruto is an action series first followed by a combination of drama and comedy. Romance is way back there.

One reason in part I feel NaruSaku or no pairings should be canon though is to just see the massive upset of radical NaruHina fans because at times, I feel like they would deserve the upset for being so rude, illogical, and downright annoying rather than just support their pairing in piece and just leave us to our own. It would also be because some think its "their" manga and they deserve or are entitled to something like their pairing. How insane can fans get?

Since this is the RTN thread though, I don't know if this was posted but it makes for some good stuff:

from http://paptala.tumbl...n-road-to-ninja

Aside from the fanserive comment, this movie was not fanservice, technically the rock lee spinoffs and fillers are given fanservice (mainly like that filler where Naruto and Sasuke end up stuck to each other and accidentally kissed again making NaruSusa fans screech with ear splitting joy (scary stuff). But again, Kishi did the NaruSaku relation secondary to Naruto's parents. Many anti-sakura and anti-NaruSaku fans say this movie was made to appease us, that because their pairings or support (for any logical reasons they even think of) will be canon and this is to let us down easy. You know what the funny thing is? How wrong they completely are.

Any fans who think their fanbase even influences the manga and determines the course for their pairing regardless of the story are completely delusional. No author should be influenced by again any fanbase, otherwise Marvel would never have done so many deaths and revivals over so many generations of readers. Not to mention, even if NaruHina did become canon the funniest thing would be, Kishi proved he could make a better relationship between Naruto and Sakura in just one movie than the entire manga between Naruto and Hinata. Not to mention, its still funny how the most successful movie with the b***h hinata all of them are suddenly worshiping like she has no flaws has no importance in it, again sidelined to the back.

The double standards of the NaruHina fanbase drive me to wonder how far has humanity come and still unable to think rationally. I mean we can look at many things with NaruSaku, even with the confession that supposedly "killed it" and recent events from chapters like 540 (sakuras depression on Sasuke) and chapter 615-617, and we can speculate and see many reasons why it is still around and why NaruSaku can still happen. For them at times, its just nope nope nope, just going to call it now, all possibliltes are closed, NaruHina is canon as of 615, don't pay any attention to the fact that we still don't know how Naruto feels, what Sakura feels about Naruto and Sasuke, and why she was the only one to get a panel during that speech, close all considerations, Naruto now suddenly loves Hinata out of the blue.

To them the story of Naruto and Sakura's relationship and development is poorly written and worthless. Naruto and Sakura mainly became close because of their time together and Sasuke leaving. They both helped and hurt each other. Naruto struggled with Sasuke for himself to be hokage, feeling he does not deserve sakura, trying to keep them both happy, and save Sasuke from his own doom. Sakura struggled with trying to help Naruto in a great effort, understanding his pain and problem as a Jinkurki, tried to make amends to Naruto with the confession (yet he still following Sasuke for both the promise and itachi revenge truth and revenge he almost took on Nagato). Sakura has put Naruto above Sasuke, even in Sasuke's presence, I mean even after almost being killed twice, she yells at him about how Naruto still accepts him as a friend, defending Naruto's statement to Sasuke and showing she supports his ideals more than her own. A relationship built over good and bad through high and low tons of interaction and plot advancement seems ideal for something more.

Yet NaruHina fans tend to think 3 moments of crammed development and minimal accomplishments constitutes as "THE BEST THING EVER WRITTEN!"


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:59 PM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Mar 8 2013, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well its not like Naruto can suddenly just step away from Sakura after all they did and there are a few issues prevalent to NaruHina and SasuSaku that would impact the story on a strucutal point, it would impact too much and undermine the goals of some characters in some cases.

For NaruHina, Naruto cannot suddenly just love Hinata, he would need closure with Sakura if that's how he really felt, in order to go to Hinata, Naruto would need a good reason to reciprocate those same feelings, he cannot just jump over Sakura to Hinata, you don't just have an event in which you just end a relation and then just "leave it open for another." This is essentially what many anti-narusaku fans believe, that the relation ends so Naruto just happens to start loving Hinata in these late moments of the manga, regardless of the other plot elements, mainly team 7 and other issues like the bijuu, SOT6P, curse of hatered. In all of these story elements to them its just "insert affection for Hinata here into Naruto" yet the rest with team 7 mainly still goes on.

Naruto cannot suddenly love Hinata, he would need closure with Sakura to see if she really still liked Sasuke. Right now naruto is focused on Sasuke, others take a backseat to him, Sakura is higher up there cause of the team 7 element but Hinata cannot suddenly take more importance in the overall story factor, she takes a backseat to Sakura who takes a backseat to Sasuke. Heck I can say the second most important person behind Sasuke for Naurto right now is Kakashi because Naruto can understand Kakashi is conflicted over his own friend too being revealed as the harbinger of doom.

NaruHina can happen, but not without rasing a few issues, first there is Hinata's confession, if there is downtime after the ten tails (I think that Madara and Obito may temporarily retreat but with the ten tails, even then Madara would need time (like a day or few) to master the power of the ten tails once revived before launching the eye of the moon. It would need to continue forward from this point now, and much more. It would have to be enough for Naruto to turn away from Sakura but still keep Hinata out of the team 7 conflict.

It can be resumed with some things that you did not noticed.
First on part 1 naruto got heartbroken because of Sakura several times, not just on the hospital but all those images, in other words it's hard for Sakura to "prove" to Naruto that she loves him only, and he was/is struck despite loving her he was/is with a mental image that she never can love him, this is proved by all the times she shows affection towards him he gets surprised, hug, feeding, hospital when she healed his arm and more.
I think it's complicated but the fact that he moving on from Sakura to Hinata is a double standard, and also a damage to the story overall, it's not because of never give up is because Naruto here is an example, so his love also must be an example, all kinds of loves on this story romantically ended on a fail, Jiraiya loved Tsunade until the very end but wanst happy, Obito see Rin die and became evil, there are examples that Naruto moving on from Sakura is easy, it's like an easy route, if Obito and Jiraiya failed then he will push it or just move on to Hinata.
But this is not the main reason, it's the fact that Naruto's love must be flawless, he got heartbroken like everyone else, but instead of being depressed and giving up and continued and decided to make her happy, it's different than Jiraiya that became on hermit and even Obito who gave up when she delivered that message to Kakashi.
So if Naruto has to accomplish and serve as a role model then his love must be perfect also, this is the reason why he cannot move on.

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Mar 8 2013, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ive Sakura for her actions designed to protect him.
-Would occur as a selfish desire of fans in some cases and completely twisted perceptions of a minor character.
-Would prove Kishi chose minor development out of others, possibly caved into fan demands ruining creative freedom because of their preffered desires.
-Would be out of place considering there was reason for Naruto's support to Sakura but only fulfilled Hinata's one-way development for herself, not much for Naruto.
-Would be too rushed and crammed, would prove any character can get fulfillment with little screentime.
-Hinata would ultimately have proven to be one of the most 1 dimensional characters in any anime, keeping one mentality focused on one person and not really changing much in the end. Neji would have had to die for this?
-Would become the most annoying thing of any manga fanbase because these fans would basically think they had some entitlement and would make the series get an incredibly bad name and image more than it already gets labeled with.
-Would think its some sort of status when these pairing things don't even matter in the first place.

Even more issues on the SasuSaku side, again SasuSaku cannot occur without tons of things just upsetting the story. Sasuke's relation with Sakura was not that complicated as some fans try to make it seem. Sasuke only liked Sakura as a friend but abandoned that with leaving the leaf and especially almost killing her twice. Yes Sakura has a reason to still love Sasuke but we don't know how she feels, is she really still involve with the phsyco or could she change? Thats what many anti-narusaku fans don't consider, if Orchimaru was able to gut the reaper and get the hokage souls and his arm's souls (body parts have their own souls?) then how hard is it to imagine Sakura possibly turning away from Sasuke? People act like it is an impossibility like how people in the 1800s said the lightblub was going to fail. It is highly capable and possible of happening, character development and all but to them it is an engima. But there are so many issues with this, it would cause a lot of upheaval and kishi would literally need to try and convince us in a much greater way how this stuff could even work.

There would be a freaking ton of work ahead of him this late in the story to make Sasuke change. Same issues on Sakura's side to keep her static. Sasuke would need a good reason to love Sakura, he can't just do it because she does. At the same time this would be very downgrading and wasted development on Sakura, Sakura would have kept her one static mentality that drove her to do some unwise things, not to mention forgiving him for nearly killing her twice.

If SasuSaku did occur, these are the ultimate end results:
-Sasuke given a trait he never really needed, only Naruto should be the one to show him his future of returning, no one else.
-Whatever reason Kishi could put in for Sasuke to love Sakura, it would still be happening for all the wrong reasons, basically it would occur and Sakura would get her crush "because she hoped."
-Sakura would have kept the one mental quality that could have been overcome and made her a greatly developed character, Sasuke is important to Sakura's mental being and always caused issues for her and Naruto. If she could do something about that like overcoming it or so, she would see a better reason than Sasuke, than her idealistic crush.
-Sasuke returns but still does not love Sakura, back to square one basically, its like the start of the series but Naruto completed his promise but without any real lessons learned saved things happen merely out of hope, effort does not matter in this universe apparently.
-Kishi would ultimately prove that he cannot handle heroines and has no concept of important character development or reasons for giving them certain qualities.
-Sasuke would change for useless reasons and Sakura would have remained utterly the same in the end, no real development and the stuff others encouraged her on would have gone to waste.

There are a lot more reasons than just these but the fact remains, these would be so damaging to the story, mainly on SasuSaku part, it would be utterly insane. NaruHina can occur but it would still have some hard impacts and leave more unfilled logic than addressed answers. It would be like at this point Kishi should just have Shino and Ino start making out now because he would not want to keep the majority of his consistancy for his characters if things like these began to occur.

People do like Sasuke and there are many girls in Japan that loves man like him, but there's only one reason why Sasusaku is bad, is the fact that Sasuke never worked hard for those stuff, ending with main heroine of the story given on a plate, Sasuke is the totally the opposite of Naruto i dont believe that Sasuke will be paired he simply does not fit for romance it's already hard to turn in on a comic character just look at Naruto SD.

About the bolded one Kishimoto is a failure drawing heroines and he knows this, he even admitted that Hinata was easier to despict her as a heroine than Sakura.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:11 PM

Man, I can't wait for this movie any longer! laugh.gif

I have a friend who discusses Naruto with me everyday in 1st block, and he is a NaruHina fan. When this came out: http://images5.fanpo...957-466-272.jpg he jumped on me about it. But then I showed him this: http://fc02.devianta...rus-d5ukytv.jpg and he told me he wasn't going to watch the movie because it was going to be lame. He said these exact words, "I'm not watching it because it is dumb how Kishimoto is making all the characters different in this movie." Funny because he didn't care about that before I showed him these images. mwahaha.gif

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 02:41 AM

QUOTE (FoolishYoungling @ Mar 13 2013, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, I can't wait for this movie any longer! laugh.gif

I have a friend who discusses Naruto with me everyday in 1st block, and he is a NaruHina fan. When this came out: http://images5.fanpo...957-466-272.jpg he jumped on me about it. But then I showed him this: http://fc02.devianta...rus-d5ukytv.jpg and he told me he wasn't going to watch the movie because it was going to be lame. He said these exact words, "I'm not watching it because it is dumb how Kishimoto is making all the characters different in this movie." Funny because he didn't care about that before I showed him these images. mwahaha.gif


Price of being a diehard shipping fan, what can you do? tongue.gif It'd probably be even worse for him if/when he finds out Hinata and Sasuke were only in it a few times, so sparse NH and SS. biggrin.gif

Though jumping for joy at that color spread with NH kind of amuses me. Naruto doesn't like comfortable at all, does he? laugh.gif

Kishi trolled the SS/NH fandom so hard with this, it's almost the ultimate troll. Show mercy, Kishi! rolleyes.gif

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 03:44 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 13 2013, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi trolled the SS/NH fandom so hard with this, it's almost the ultimate troll. Show mercy, Kishi! rolleyes.gif

Kishi shows no mercy to the NH fandom when it comes to trolling.

http://www.mangahere...v48/c450/5.html That Hinata smile. Too much acceptance.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:49 AM

QUOTE (FoolishYoungling @ Mar 13 2013, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, I can't wait for this movie any longer! laugh.gif

I have a friend who discusses Naruto with me everyday in 1st block, and he is a NaruHina fan. When this came out: http://images5.fanpo...957-466-272.jpg he jumped on me about it. But then I showed him this: http://fc02.devianta...rus-d5ukytv.jpg and he told me he wasn't going to watch the movie because it was going to be lame. He said these exact words, "I'm not watching it because it is dumb how Kishimoto is making all the characters different in this movie." Funny because he didn't care about that before I showed him these images. mwahaha.gif

Funny, I always saw that color spread as "This parallel universe is...different? What's going on there?!" It doesn't help that Naruto actually reacts to her in a "not so close" look. Pretty much, a lot of people sure fell into a unintentional troll trap.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:51 AM

wow and here i thought vj was a major hypocrite no offense to your friend

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:02 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 14 2013, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Funny, I always saw that color spread as "This parallel universe is...different? What's going on there?!" It doesn't help that Naruto actually reacts to her in a "not so close" look. Pretty much, a lot of people sure fell into a unintentional troll trap.


Tbh, I get the feeling it was a intentioned troll trap. It's just ... to be so misleading and play with the ships so intensely, I honestly can't see how you can't be aware of shippers reacting to it. It's just too ... obvious. Though I guess the "Naruto looking uncomfortable" part wasn't exactly a troll, so to speak. laugh.gif He was intimidated by her. tongue.gif

Kishi and his trolling ... rolleyes.gif

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 14 March 2013 - 07:02 AM.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:25 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 14 2013, 03:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tbh, I get the feeling it was a intentioned troll trap. It's just ... to be so misleading and play with the ships so intensely, I honestly can't see how you can't be aware of shippers reacting to it. It's just too ... obvious. Though I guess the "Naruto looking uncomfortable" part wasn't exactly a troll, so to speak. laugh.gif He was intimidated by her. tongue.gif

Kishi and his trolling ... rolleyes.gif

I guess so then. Lol. It's just that fans only set their bars to high, when at times, Kishi doesn't intend to do so. But I could be wrong.

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QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Mar 3 2013, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the majority besides us NS fans believe NaruHina has a bigger chance right now. I've seen a lot of mocking since 615, and much of it wasn't from NH/SS fans.

As far as I know the neutral fans are pretty angry with what happened in the manga, they're sick of hinata, go to facebook and what-not, only thr nh fans are going hay wire over the hand-holding, which was only to pass chakra, lol

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