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[sushi.]

 

The problem is Naruto's words on their first reunion were '' I can't become hokage if i can't save one friend'' if he is to kill Sasuke how's he gonna accept the title ?

But you are both right though i think the same way , although i've been here and there (anti NS tag) reading that '' if Naruto kills Sasuke ,he and Sakura won't end up together''.

I've though about this too , what do you guys think?

This is a mindset Naruto has/had that I completely disagree with. This is wrong. He can't think like that.

 

Though I'm not sure what saving Sasuke means anymore. Is it enough to make him good again? Or maybe he even has to return to Konoha and it'll all be as before?

[Psychox]

This is a mindset Naruto has/had that I completely disagree with. This is wrong. He can't think like that.

 

Though I'm not sure what saving Sasuke means anymore. Is it enough to make him good again? Or maybe he even has to return to Konoha and it'll all be as before?

I haven't got a single clue , if he still thinks like that then his dream is doomed and the manga will end like no one actually expected (both dieing and so)

If something doesn't happen in this arc that can convert his views then .. yeah...
He wants to drag him back that much I anticipate from Naruto , but then again nobody wants Sasuke back , except Sakura (doubtful) and Kakashi..


PS: People still believe RTN was filler , but even in WIKI is otherwise stated .

Edited by Psychox, 28 August 2013 - 08:37 PM.

[redragon88]

^ Its highly likely



Anyone wanna debate to this?

 

1) Naruto wasn't making a joke. At most when he says she's more or less his girlfriend it's his way of saying they have something going on but it's complicated.

 

2) In the raw version of 632 he says something like "never defying her again", which is only meant to be reminiscent to how he said something similar the first time Sakura showed her power at the beginning of Part 2. It seems Naruto got used to her super strength as the series went on, but now that Sakura upgraded to titan strength Naruto makes his vows again, which he'll probably break anyway.

 

3) If Naruto was meant to use Jiraiya's words here then he would joke about being rejected by Sakura. Naruto did the complete opposite here by saying there's something going on between them.

 

4) And after Jiraiya said those words he still attempted to confess to Tsunade anyway because even though he can joke about her rejecting him he still would've wanted her to be with him.

 

This ain't rocket science.

[Superman333]

Its very possible that Naruto's father will give him some advice at being Hokage , including you can't save everybody but you can try your best to make peace . 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

The problem is Naruto's words on their first reunion were '' I can't become hokage if i can't save one friend'' if he is to kill Sasuke how's he gonna accept the title ?

But you are both right though i think the same way , although i've been here and there (anti NS tag) reading that '' if Naruto kills Sasuke ,he and Sakura won't end up together''.

I've though about this too , what do you guys think?

Neji died and he learned that he cant save/protect all his friends he must do his best to protect them if he fails he has to keep them on his heart.

About the hokage thing, he said the ones who get acknowledged became kage, Sasuke dying or not wont change that.

 

The third, it's kinda difficult for them but if Sakura already moves on, then what would happen?

She can either became single just like Tsunade, if she already loves Naruto she just need to adress it before Sasuke dies or show that she already loves Naruto before that.

SHe has development to move on, Sasuke returning or being saved wont make up for the bad things he did to her, the fact is that Sakura is being receiving reality checks on her love if it's worth to love someome like Sasuke who did nothing to her or love a great guy.

Sasuke becoming a wanderer ends up the same thing, but there's the promise but Sasuke "come back" and Sakura wish to have them together already got fullfilled on 631.

 

But sincerely i fail to see how bringing Sasuke back would help NS in a way.
I mean there's no interactions on SS, Sakura got all the development she needs and even is aware of Naruto's love for her, the reality checks and how Sasuke displayed thoughout the story that he doesnt love her and even going further in trying to kill her.

If there's an SS interaction where she moves on which obviously has to do with rejection, will make Naruto a second option.

So i do believe Sakura will adress her feelings before or during Naruto x Sasuke not later.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 August 2013 - 10:43 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

just this is enough.

 

Hanabi, I can't see the image.  What was it?  I love anything Syaoran and Sakura related, though your interests list gave me somewhat spoilers.

 

The make that argument because of that freaking filler scene and i quote '' If Sauske-kun and Naruto are seriously injured , who shall i heal first?',' which is so stupid of the anime team it lacks comparison ...

Sakura will NEVER turn on Naruto regardless if she thinks of him as BFF  or lover . She cares for him too much , he has become her best friend,her shoulder to cry on , her everything if i may add , OPS, that leads to lover don't it ? Oh ,well .

 

What was more questionable of the anime studio is the filler scene during the Island arc, where Naruto is not supposed to know about the war, Yamato and the others say his secret mission is to research the animals for a possible animal unit for the Fourth Great Shinobi War, and they said it out loud like that.

 

This is a mindset Naruto has/had that I completely disagree with. This is wrong. He can't think like that.

 

Though I'm not sure what saving Sasuke means anymore. Is it enough to make him good again? Or maybe he even has to return to Konoha and it'll all be as before?

 

Well, Naruto learned from Itachi that the one that is already acknowledged by everyone becomes Hokage, not the other way around.  Maybe his belief about "saving one friend" will be changed, though I really can't imagine it.  Sasuke is going to have to be shown to Naruto to be completely irredeemable.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Hanabi, I can't see the image.  What was it?  I love anything Syaoran and Sakura related, though your interests list gave me somewhat spoilers.

 

 

What was more questionable of the anime studio is the filler scene during the Island arc, where Naruto is not supposed to know about the war, Yamato and the others say his secret mission is to research the animals for a possible animal unit for the Fourth Great Shinobi War, and they said it out loud like that.

 

 

Well, Naruto learned from Itachi that the one that is already acknowledged by everyone becomes Hokage, not the other way around.  Maybe his belief about "saving one friend" will be changed, though I really can't imagine it.  Sasuke is going to have to be shown to Naruto to be completely irredeemable.

Why people dismiss the fact that Neji died.

Neji died and he was one of Naruto's friends and Naruto could not save him, ofc it changed.

 

Imagine Naruto saying "I cant be kage because i cannot save a friend" because of Sasuke then you go back and look at Neji's corpse.

 

Naruto reinforced his will to be kage despite failing on saving his friend.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 August 2013 - 10:48 PM.

[Masque]

PS: People still believe RTN was filler , but even in WIKI is otherwise stated .

Is this an official wiki you are talking about? I was under the impression that it WAS filler just like every other Naruto movie, do you have some sort of link for this? 

[rocci]

@dattebayoxshannaro

Do. You watch card captor sakura? Well if you do, you must know the scene where syaoran conform sakura in the park when she rejected by yukito.
That scene remind me of POAL.

[sushi.]

Why people dismiss the fact that Neji died.

Neji died and he was one of Naruto's friends and Naruto could not save him, ofc it changed.

Sasuke has always been a bit special to Naruto, he's an exception. He's that one friend, and I don't like it. I'm not saying Naruto didn't change, just that he has an entirely different mindset when it comes to Sasuke. "I'll never give up, I will become Hokage before I die!" - "I can be Hokage--as long as I save Sasuke".

 

Of course I hope this isn't the case anymore, but to me it's not "ofc".

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sasuke has always been a bit special to Naruto, he's an exception. He's that one friend, and I don't like it. I'm not saying Naruto didn't change, just that he has an entirely different mindset when it comes to Sasuke. "I'll never give up, I will become Hokage before I die!" - "I can be Hokage--as long as I save Sasuke".

 

Of course I hope this isn't the case anymore, but to me it's not "ofc".

I strongly belive it changed, i believe Naruto wants to save Sasuke not because of selfish reasons like "i cant be kage if i cant save you" but rather becuase he feels that they are equal.

If Kishi wants to show that Naruto growed up he would follow up the development he's giving to Naruto since the war arc started.

 

Sakura doesnt hold on the promise anymore since it was been lifted, but she wants a happy ending to everyone.( which makes me believe on Sasuke still being alive).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 August 2013 - 11:03 PM.

[deviouslyChaotic]

I saw people discuss Sasuke, so I wanted to chime in.

 

What if the only peace Sasuke can find is in death?

It seems like he will never accept the village or be at peace with it ever again. If this is the case, then what's the point of bringing him back to the village? The only way Naruto can really save Sasuke is to somehow relieve his anger and the anger that he has towards others/the village, therefore his mind will no longer be troubled by his past. Sadly, I feel that Sasuke is doomed to be trapped eternally in his current emotional/mental state of mind. It just seems that no matter what happens, his past will still linger with him along with the emotions that come with it. Does he have a chance of gaining a mental and emotional stability in his future? Can Naruto help him with that? Even if Naruto beats the living kitten out of him, will Sasuke ever really find a peace of mind or have a change of heart afterwards?

So, what if the only way Sasuke can truly be at peace mentally and emotionally is by death?

 

Of course the most likely outcome is Sasuke seeing the way to peace with the help of Naruto, thus resulting in him finding happiness again in the village and whatnot. However, there's always that chance that Kishi may do something different like killing off Sasuke, or both Naruto and Sasuke. How do you guys feel about the whole saving Sasuke business?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I saw people discuss Sasuke, so I wanted to chime in.

 

What if the only peace Sasuke can find is in death?

It seems like he will never accept the village or be at peace with it ever again. If this is the case, then what's the point of bringing him back to the village? The only way Naruto can really save Sasuke is to somehow relieve his anger and the anger that he has towards others/the village, therefore his mind will no longer be troubled by his past. Sadly, I feel that Sasuke is doomed to be trapped eternally in his current emotional/mental state of mind. It just seems that no matter what happens, his past will still linger with him along with the emotions that come with it. Does he have a chance of gaining a mental and emotional stability in his future? Can Naruto help him with that? Even if Naruto beats the living kitten out of him, will Sasuke ever really find a peace of mind or have a change of heart afterwards?

So, what if the only way Sasuke can truly be at peace mentally and emotionally is by death?

 

Of course the most likely outcome is Sasuke seeing the way to peace with the help of Naruto, thus resulting in him finding happiness again in the village and whatnot. However, there's always that chance that Kishi may do something different like killing off Sasuke, or both Naruto and Sasuke. How do you guys feel about the whole saving Sasuke business?

I belive that Sasuke will either die doing something good for Naruto, or he will be a wanderer, i just cant see him on the village, when he has his own team and after all the crimes he committed, there's a reason why Kishi made Sai say "so this is the old team 7".

The hints are there :

Team Taka = being the Sasuke's new team 7 (Hachibi's fight)

Addition of Sai = replace Sasuke on the team 7.

Sai's comment = Old team 7

Naruto being kage = no longer being capable of taking missions like on the past.

Save Friend = Kage = no longer a barrier to Naruto.

Sasuke's crimes = A barrier.

His friends stating they dont accept him after all what he is done.

What is left for Sasuke is for him to pursue his own happiness and rebuild his life with Taka somewhere else.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 August 2013 - 11:09 PM.

[deviouslyChaotic]

I belive that Sasuke will either die doing something good for Naruto, or he will be a wanderer, i just cant see him on the village, when he has his own team and after all the crimes he committed, there's a reason why Kishi made Sai say "so this is the old team 7".

I agree. Sasuke living peacefully in the village once all is said and done just seems a little awkward to me. A wanderer does make the most sense if Sasuke does not end up dying.

[Inferno180]

At this point, if naruto said he listened to his parents, with this much focus in what minato and Kushina did for naruto, it's not hard to image ns coming up. Both due to development and the similarities with minakush. Sakura herself not trusting Sasuke is just another step of development for her, she is has the development, naruto still loves her, what else is there aside from her eventually moving on? It's like if minato at this point leaves without ever seeing hinata or just attributes something to sakura again, well what are we going to expect? A ns moment can be impending soon due to naruto and his family. Seriously kushinas background is enough, minatos statement was and still is the only continuation of kushinas foreshadow and sakura herself is still the only girl compared to Kushina canonically even minor as it is. Naruto also has done or is in the process of doing everything Kushina said, I'm suprised fans don't realize that not everything seen is just to be taken word for word, many other things displayed at times are for hints to the reader to figure out, including everything Kushina said, namely with the find a girlfriend like her dialouge and more recently yes 631 with minatos statement.

What's really funny is, we don't have ns stuff directly right now. The obito rin and rather minato Kushina stuff is probable enough that more will Build on ns. 631 was only the peak of connecting ns and mk so far, but so much more can occur it's not funny. SS is near done and nh is still in limbo going unaddressed, what exactly are they expecting at this point? Something spontaneous like minato talking to hinata because they saw a panel with her kiba and shino in front of minatos FTG kunai? Really some claimed this meant something but now something's against ns are just becoming outright crazy. Fan goggles can be too tight sometimes when outright story design reason is ignored.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Why people dismiss the fact that Neji died.

Neji died and he was one of Naruto's friends and Naruto could not save him, ofc it changed.

 

Imagine Naruto saying "I cant be kage because i cannot save a friend" because of Sasuke then you go back and look at Neji's corpse.

 

Naruto reinforced his will to be kage despite failing on saving his friend.

 

Believe me, I didn't mean to come across as such.  Your right that his belief may have been mended after losing Neji.  I have to agree with sushi though, that Sasuke is a bit special to Naruto.  He won't resort to kill Sasuke no matter what, but he won't allow Sasuke to harm anyone in the Alliance either as he considers everyone his comrade.  He's like the Tsuchikage in that aspect of being a fence-sitter.

 

@dattebayoxshannaro

Do. You watch card captor sakura? Well if you do, you must know the scene where syaoran conform sakura in the park when she rejected by yukito.
That scene remind me of POAL.

 

Yeah, I remember that scene.  It was really quite touching.  It does remind you POAL due to the selfless comfort both male protagonist offered the ones they love.

[mmrc27]

 

The problem is Naruto's words on their first reunion were '' I can't become hokage if i can't save one friend'' if he is to kill Sasuke how's he gonna accept the title ?

But you are both right though i think the same way , although i've been here and there (anti NS tag) reading that '' if Naruto kills Sasuke ,he and Sakura won't end up together''.

I've though about this too , what do you guys think?

naruto is stubborn and very true to his words, but if naruto kills sasuke and sasuke somehow tells naruto that it would be fine because he wanted to be redeemed then i guess naruto (and sakura) might understand that.

[Superman333]

At this point, if naruto said he listened to his parents, with this much focus in what minato and Kushina did for naruto, it's not hard to image ns coming up. Both due to development and the similarities with minakush. Sakura herself not trusting Sasuke is just another step of development for her, she is has the development, naruto still loves her, what else is there aside from her eventually moving on? It's like if minato at this point leaves without ever seeing hinata or just attributes something to sakura again, well what are we going to expect? A ns moment can be impending soon due to naruto and his family. Seriously kushinas background is enough, minatos statement was and still is the only continuation of kushinas foreshadow and sakura herself is still the only girl compared to Kushina canonically even minor as it is. Naruto also has done or is in the process of doing everything Kushina said, I'm suprised fans don't realize that not everything seen is just to be taken word for word, many other things displayed at times are for hints to the reader to figure out, including everything Kushina said, namely with the find a girlfriend like her dialouge and more recently yes 631 with minatos statement.

What's really funny is, we don't have ns stuff directly right now. The obito rin and rather minato Kushina stuff is probable enough that more will Build on ns. 631 was only the peak of connecting ns and mk so far, but so much more can occur it's not funny. SS is near done and nh is still in limbo going unaddressed, what exactly are they expecting at this point? Something spontaneous like minato talking to hinata because they saw a panel with her kiba and shino in front of minatos FTG kunai? Really some claimed this meant something but now something's against ns are just becoming outright crazy. Fan goggles can be too tight sometimes when outright story design reason is ignored.

I think Hinata got the point already about where she stands with Naruto . 

[mmrc27]

just saw a fanpic wherein they are making parallel comparison of hinata and kushina wherein they stood before the enemy to risk their life for naruto and smile before him in the end. for kushina's part it was before they die and for hinata it was during pein's.

 

how's that? what's your reaction?

[Superman333]

Whatever Naruto decides to do with Sasuke , whether it be him dying or not I believe Sakura would feel its for the best . I believe Naruto's mindset changed because of how he witnessed a few people die I think he knows already that he ain't The Lord above and he can't save everybody . And as for NS , I believe Sakura will confess to Naruto before any battle starts between Naruto and Sasuke either that or she may confess during the battle . 

Edited by Superman333, 29 August 2013 - 12:22 AM.