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#6921 Don-kun

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 19 2012, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They're giving you headaches? Will the only thing they give me is a good laugh. I mean you got to laugh at the fact that they're saying Neji died for NH. LMFAO!

Didn't know a death can bring out their true colors.


I knew that NH fans were very selfish the moment they called Naruto a selfish jerk for not loving Hinata after she risked her life for him, but the display I saw in NF show me at what extend they're willing to go just to see NH becomes cannon, I mean Neji just die and people were making threads saying that Naruto should get with Hinata now.

That was the first time I did not post on a pairing thread on the telegram since I became a member, I couldn't I was so disappointed by those fans, I mean using is death to assume that NH might have a happy outcome and then happy because one of NS FC alliance (NejiHina) just died.

This is mainly why I was so angry when some user try to use Tsunade death for NS development, but a lease some of us care about Tsunade, the NH camp they only care about Naruto and Hinata character and no one else.

Edited by Don-kun, 20 December 2012 - 12:39 AM.


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Dec 19 2012, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Resolved from what? Kishi isn't showing that she has any apparent flaws, and character development wise she has come full circle since the Pein Arc.

The problem is is that her panel time is being used to show her concern/affection for Naruto. If Kishi wants to resolve this by making her give up on him, he isn't convincing me. Unfortunately her feelings are being depicted as being some source of inner strength for her.


But this is her downfall, when Naruto is involve somehow. He becomes the center of her universe and everything else is like non-existent subconsciously. Neji's death was like a wake up call. Yes Naruto is her inner strength, but its also her inner weakness. She can't control her feelings like Sakura. The world doesn't revolve around her fantasy of holding Nasruto's hands and walking with him. look what it cost her? It cost her Neji her beloved cousin even though it wasn't her fault. Hinata is not fit to be ninja material, based on her personality. I'm not out to bash her character or anything just to make it clear.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:38 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 20 2012, 12:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I knew that NH fans were very selfish the moment they called Naruto a selfish jerk for not loving Hinata after she risked her life for him, but the display I saw in NF show me at what extend they're willing to go just to see NH becomes cannon, I mean Neji just die and people were making threads saying that Naruto should get with Hinata now.

That was the first time I did not post on a pairing thread on the telegram since I became a member, I could I was so ashamed by those fans, I mean using is death to assume that NH might have a happy outcome and then happy because one of NS FC alliance (NejiHina) just died.

This is mainly why I was so angry when some user try to use Tsunade death for NS development, but a lease some of us care about Tsunade, the NH camp they only care about Naruto and Hinata no one else.


Oh man, I was having the time of my life reading their posts in that thread. NH fans don't care how NH happens, just as long as it happens.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:42 AM

I'm in the mood for a laugh. The fandom's tired me out and torn away my feels for this pairing.

Where's VJ when you need him? sad.gif


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:43 AM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Dec 20 2012, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Resolved from what? Kishi isn't showing that she has any apparent flaws, and character development wise she has come full circle since the Pein Arc.

The problem is is that her panel time is being used to show her concern/affection for Naruto. If Kishi wants to resolve this by making her give up on him, he isn't convincing me. Unfortunately her feelings are being depicted as being some source of inner strength for her.

Wait, she's developed since the Pein Arc?? How?

@luffy, sorry, i misread your comment sweatdrop.gif

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:44 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 20 2012, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm in the mood for a laugh. The fandom's tired me out and torn away my feels for this pairing.

Where's VJ when you need him? sad.gif


Where do you think he's at? He's in his room writing a letter to Kishi asking how Naruto and Hinata's baby is gonna look.

@Chucky - it's cool, mate smile.gif

Edited by luffyq1, 20 December 2012 - 12:46 AM.

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#6927 Don-kun

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 19 2012, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh man, I was having the time of my life reading their posts in that thread. NH fans don't care how NH happens, just as long as it happens.


After two NH fans who told me that they only wish for Sakura to keep loving Sasuke until a point where Naruto loses all hope and focus on Hinata, that is when I started to believe that they are a very selfish bunch and with this new event it has really shown me that they really don't care how it happen as long as it happens.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:53 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 19 2012, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After two NH fans who told me that they only wish for Sakura to keep loving Sasuke until a point where Naruto loses all hope and focus on Hinata, that is when I started to believe that they are a very selfish bunch and with this new event it has really shown me that they really don't care how it happen as long as it happens.


That's just depressing...why would anyone ever want that >_>


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:00 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 20 2012, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After two NH fans who told me that they only wish for Sakura to keep loving Sasuke until a point where Naruto loses all hope and focus on Hinata, that is when I started to believe that they are a very selfish bunch and with this new event it has really shown me that they really don't care how it happen as long as it happens.


Whoa, that's a new one. Man that's really desperate.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:43 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 20 2012, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whoa, that's a new one. Man that's really desperate.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:44 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Dec 19 2012, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait, she's developed since the Pein Arc?? How?

@luffy, sorry, i misread your comment sweatdrop.gif


Well she did exhibit some uncertainty previously which Naruto's clone was able to remove by reassuring her that she was strong. Personally though I have to disagree with that notion. Some fans would perceive her obsession with Naruto as a source of strength but to me personally it is a hindrance. It inhibits her on a psychological and emotional level to be concerned only about Naruto while disregarding even her closest family or allies while they're in peril. Now admittedly this recent chapter showed that Hinata does in fact care for others, as we assumed she should, it is her family after all that just suffered a loss. Still, I feel that for her to become truly strong she needs to develop some independence from her obsession with Naruto and fight for her other companions and dreams aside from love.



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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:25 AM

QUOTE (Atheck @ Dec 19 2012, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well she did exhibit some uncertainty previously which Naruto's clone was able to remove by reassuring her that she was strong. Personally though I have to disagree with that notion. Some fans would perceive her obsession with Naruto as a source of strength but to me personally it is a hindrance. It inhibits her on a psychological and emotional level to be concerned only about Naruto while disregarding even her closest family or allies while they're in peril. Now admittedly this recent chapter showed that Hinata does in fact care for others, as we assumed she should, it is her family after all that just suffered a loss. Still, I feel that for her to become truly strong she needs to develop some independence from her obsession with Naruto and fight for her other companions and dreams aside from love.


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:49 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 19 2012, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm mainly worried about Hinata taking Sakura's place for the parallel; with the amount of back-seatage she's been taking this arc, it wouldn't surprise me if nothing happened with her.


I wouldn't, it just doesn't fit. Think about it this way, in every chapter so far, while things are going on with Naruto, Sakura's always showing up in danger. Naruto and Sakura have both been put in predicaments these past two chapters, needing to be rescued by someone else. Naruto got hurt from a rock, Sakura got knocked back. This chapter Naruto was almost impaled by wood but Hinata jumped in front of him then Neji shielded them both. Sakura had to get pulled away by Kakashi from the wood.

The next chapter may involve another close call for them both... and I'm sadly seeing a pattern here.... I think Sai/Kiba/Shino/or Gai are at risk next chapter. I see this coming. It's scary but now no one's safe. Nobody.

Honestly, I think Hinata may die too. It's been foreshadowed by Neji saying she's willing to die for him. They all are but I think Hinata's death is coming soon...


QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 20 2012, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just reiterating my statement from another site:

"I don't know about you guys, but something just didn't feel right about that panel. She was willing to give her life away so carelessly like it was on a whim. It's like her life means absolutely nothing when it comes to Naruto. I think Hinata really wants to prove her love for Naruto by protecting him = dying for Naruto."


I agree with you. Hey, you're from NF too aren't you? It's me VioNi. biggrin.gif



QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 20 2012, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I understand your opinion but that "hinata was willing to die for you as so i" it wasnt a romantic statement but to Naruto realize that his life is important to his friends, i would be concerned if he told "she was willing to die for you because she loves you", and he did that only to protect hinata.
This is a lesson that naruto must earn that he should not be like "everyone stay behind and let me do this" he always did that.
This reminds me of sakura speech when she told that "No matter what you say we are gonna be together... not just me we all gonna fight together" reinforces this statement that everyone is there to fight for naruto.

Naruto become strong and at the same time was becoming someome arrogant like itachi told naruto.
Always trying to handle all the things by himself and forget about his friends.


Neji pretty much confirmed that Hinata's willing to die for Naruto so to protect her, he jumped in the way. While Neji died for both of them to live, his main goal was to protect Hinata from the moment he saw her jump in front of Naruto. I guess he didn't want to see her hurt like the time with Pain - because then he didn't understand her motives but he then realized she loved Naruto and was willing to die for him. In response to this, Neji - proving his 'genius' came to understand Hinata and did for her what she would for Naruto, understanding that he would be dying to protect her and the one guy who helped him to understand her and see that people can change their own fate.

In other words, Neji truly respects Naruto because helped him and doesn't bare any ill-will towards him (despite Hinata's suicidal tendencies for the guy) because he understands that she loves him and in other words...

...Whoa... Neji really did love Hinata... sad.gif


QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 20 2012, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I knew that NH fans were very selfish the moment they called Naruto a selfish jerk for not loving Hinata after she risked her life for him, but the display I saw in NF show me at what extend they're willing to go just to see NH becomes cannon, I mean Neji just die and people were making threads saying that Naruto should get with Hinata now.

That was the first time I did not post on a pairing thread on the telegram since I became a member, I couldn't I was so disappointed by those fans, I mean using is death to assume that NH might have a happy outcome and then happy because one of NS FC alliance (NejiHina) just died.

This is mainly why I was so angry when some user try to use Tsunade death for NS development, but a lease some of us care about Tsunade, the NH camp they only care about Naruto and Hinata character and no one else.


Hi Don-kun! It's Vio smile.gif

Argh, I'm like super depressed about Neji's death so imagine how us Neji fans feel knowing that he's being used for a pairing. Neji's death didn't even point to NaruHina. I can say without a doubt it was the closest to a NejiHina moment we could get, hell for the first time in a long time, (if ever) Hinata's attention wasn't on Naruto, it was on Neji as they looked each other in the eye during his final moments. Whether Hinata feels the same, we'll have to find out but I doubt it.

Oh boy, the Neji fan is me is terribly terribly hurt...


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:19 AM

QUOTE ({Jade~Rabbit} @ Dec 19 2012, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wouldn't, it just doesn't fit. Think about it this way, in every chapter so far, while things are going on with Naruto, Sakura's always showing up in danger. Naruto and Sakura have both been put in predicaments these past two chapters, needing to be rescued by someone else. Naruto got hurt from a rock, Sakura got knocked back. This chapter Naruto was almost impaled by wood but Hinata jumped in front of him then Neji shielded them both. Sakura had to get pulled away by Kakashi from the wood.

The next chapter may involve another close call for them both... and I'm sadly seeing a pattern here.... I think Sai/Kiba/Shino/or Gai are at risk next chapter. I see this coming. It's scary but now no one's safe. Nobody.

Honestly, I think Hinata may die too. It's been foreshadowed by Neji saying she's willing to die for him. They all are but I think Hinata's death is coming soon...




I agree with you. Hey, you're from NF too aren't you? It's me VioNi. biggrin.gif





Neji pretty much confirmed that Hinata's willing to die for Naruto so to protect her, he jumped in the way. While Neji died for both of them to live, his main goal was to protect Hinata from the moment he saw her jump in front of Naruto. I guess he didn't want to see her hurt like the time with Pain - because then he didn't understand her motives but he then realized she loved Naruto and was willing to die for him. In response to this, Neji - proving his 'genius' came to understand Hinata and did for her what she would for Naruto, understanding that he would be dying to protect her and the one guy who helped him to understand her and see that people can change their own fate.

In other words, Neji truly respects Naruto because helped him and doesn't bare any ill-will towards him (despite Hinata's suicidal tendencies for the guy) because he understands that she loves him and in other words...

...Whoa... Neji really did love Hinata... sad.gif




Hi Don-kun! It's Vio smile.gif

Argh, I'm like super depressed about Neji's death so imagine how us Neji fans feel knowing that he's being used for a pairing. Neji's death didn't even point to NaruHina. I can say without a doubt it was the closest to a NejiHina moment we could get, hell for the first time in a long time, (if ever) Hinata's attention wasn't on Naruto, it was on Neji as they looked each other in the eye during his final moments. Whether Hinata feels the same, we'll have to find out but I doubt it.

Oh boy, the Neji fan is me is terribly terribly hurt...


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:24 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 20 2012, 04:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wow.gif OMG I cannot believe this, It's really but really nice the see you here Vio. th_glomp.gif


Thanks, glad to be here a_hug.gif

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:40 AM

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:42 AM

QUOTE ({Jade~Rabbit} @ Dec 19 2012, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks, glad to be here a_hug.gif


Yes it's nice, I wish some users were more open minded about the Manga but I guest you cannot win it all since this place is really nice and more importantly they love both Naruto and Sakura, plus we can speak our mind without any worries that someone will neg you, report you or bash your speculations comment in another thread.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:46 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 20 2012, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes it's nice, I wish some users were more open minded about the Manga but I guest you cannot win it all since this place is really nice and more importantly they love both Naruto and Sakura, plus we can speak our mind without any worries that someone will neg you, report you or bash your speculations comment in another thread.


Me too. What I like about you guys is that you all have different ideas for NaruSaku, openly discuss them and still support the pairing. You guys are so realistic and logical and I love that. ^^
I'm not worried about negs really. I don't even care for them anymore. I don't even want to argue about pairings anymore. That's why I stopped debating for NS. People will always fuss or twist words and it's not necessary. I rather enjoy my ships, talk with other fans and leave it at that.

I'm 20 years old - muuuuccch too old to be arguing about fictional characters. laugh.gif

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:21 AM

QUOTE ({Jade~Rabbit} @ Dec 19 2012, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Me too. What I like about you guys is that you all have different ideas for NaruSaku, openly discuss them and still support the pairing. You guys are so realistic and logical and I love that. ^^
I'm not worried about negs really. I don't even care for them anymore. I don't even want to argue about pairings anymore. That's why I stopped debating for NS. People will always fuss or twist words and it's not necessary. I rather enjoy my ships, talk with other fans and leave it at that.

I'm 20 years old - muuuuccch too old to be arguing about fictional characters. laugh.gif


Am 25 and most of the times you find me wallbash.gif myself for gating into does annoying arguments with other fandoms, when I can clearly see that they are twisting the Manga so it can fit their arguments.

Edited by Don-kun, 20 December 2012 - 04:22 AM.


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:23 AM

QUOTE ({Jade~Rabbit} @ Dec 20 2012, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Me too. What I like about you guys is that you all have different ideas for NaruSaku, openly discuss them and still support the pairing. You guys are so realistic and logical and I love that. ^^
I'm not worried about negs really. I don't even care for them anymore. I don't even want to argue about pairings anymore. That's why I stopped debating for NS. People will always fuss or twist words and it's not necessary. I rather enjoy my ships, talk with other fans and leave it at that.

I'm 20 years old - muuuuccch too old to be arguing about fictional characters. laugh.gif


I agree. I'm sick of the fandom's negativity towards everything. We're all a bunch of Negative Nancys and we need to be more happy about reading a free manga online.

Bolded: I'm 17. I should be worrying about college, graduating school and getting a job...nope.

spend my hours posting about a fictional relationship in a manga from some dude in japan.




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