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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:48 PM

QUOTE (Quinny52 @ Mar 6 2013, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@James - It's as you said, we may get potential NH/SS implications, but when the dust settles we find it is NS that is still standing steady; of the so called 'Big 3' pairings it is the one with the strongest foundations character-wise. I've noticed this pattern as well; we get the odd NH/SS hint/interaction thrown our way, but coupled with these are NS moments not long after that overshadow the formers.

Your point on being a fan of the Naruto series first and foremost is a good one; you may only be interested in the romance side, but any romantic subplot is dependent upon the strength of the overall plot. If that plot aspect is as ingrained into the story as it is here, and the story as a whole is crap....

Well, it doesn't look good, does it?

That's a great way to sum it up.

I always read it neutral first, which is why 615 didn't kill me or jump off the boat. I just said what my thoughts told me to write. So yeah, people needs to remove their shipping goggles to get a breather.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 6 2013, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In that video that @soraandven posted I read that comment:

"yeah more moments like that and mabey i could have actually supported the couple.."

Do you think guys that the anime team ended up influencing people to dislike NS because of how they have exaggerated Sakura's tsundere traits in both part 1 and 2?!


because I don't get it ....people act like Sakura had never acted nice to Naruto, something that is really wrong.. since she started acting very nice to him since the Chunnin exams.


Pretty much. That's my theory anyway.

With the over-exaggerations of Hinata's character and giving her more credit than she really deserves and just putting down Sakura like no tomorrow and not giving her the credit is just horrible.

You can tell even here in the RtN movie. Here we have Hinata who really is a complete b*tch, sorry, but no one has said anything against this. Yet we have Sakura the exact same way and they still don't see her in a better light lie they should.

Why? Does the anime corrupt it? I am not sure. It helps, but is this really the underlying act? Again, I can only say this is my theory. Whenever Kishimoto gets involved in the story, Sakura is seen as a caring loving girl who sometimes flies off the handle because Naruto does something stupid. In all honesty, he deserves it, but she never beat him just because she was angry which is how some scenes got played out.

At times, Sakura was even seen like Naru from Love Hina. Getting jealous and hitting Naruto, then deny her feelings. Which is not how she is at all.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:11 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Mar 6 2013, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty much. That's my theory anyway.

With the over-exaggerations of Hinata's character and giving her more credit than she really deserves and just putting down Sakura like no tomorrow and not giving her the credit is just horrible.

You can tell even here in the RtN movie. Here we have Hinata who really is a complete b*tch, sorry, but no one has said anything against this. Yet we have Sakura the exact same way and they still don't see her in a better light lie they should.

Why? Does the anime corrupt it? I am not sure. It helps, but is this really the underlying act? Again, I can only say this is my theory. Whenever Kishimoto gets involved in the story, Sakura is seen as a caring loving girl who sometimes flies off the handle because Naruto does something stupid. In all honesty, he deserves it, but she never beat him just because she was angry which is how some scenes got played out.

At times, Sakura was even seen like Naru from Love Hina. Getting jealous and hitting Naruto, then deny her feelings. Which is not how she is at all.

Anime doesn't really pay attention to outside of Japan. In the end, they find it funny while others find it annoying. It's not like anime is berating a character, but it's just the fans' opinions. Honestly, long time ago, people really appreciated tsundere characters. So much, they always get good reviews and the show itself get high scores. Now, with many newcomers, they lowered the grade because these are new people. It's like bringing Twilight fans into the mix, you know there's going to be a lot of chaotic mess.

As for me, I love tsundere, exaggerated or not. I really do. I'm with one now as well. Painful but hey, it's just another day.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:35 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 6 2013, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anime doesn't really pay attention to outside of Japan. In the end, they find it funny while others find it annoying. It's not like anime is berating a character, but it's just the fans' opinions. Honestly, long time ago, people really appreciated tsundere characters. So much, they always get good reviews and the show itself get high scores. Now, with many newcomers, they lowered the grade because these are new people. It's like bringing Twilight fans into the mix, you know there's going to be a lot of chaotic mess.

As for me, I love tsundere, exaggerated or not. I really do. I'm with one now as well. Painful but hey, it's just another day.


Still you can't ignore the fact there are many Hinata scenes that gave her waaaay too much credit than she really deserved. Her confession scene is one of them. It was really changed dramatically just to show that Hinata didn't just run in there to get owned. Im sorry, but this is one fact that can't be denied nor can it be denied that because we know Pierrot favors Hinata she gets more credit than the manga.

There are also many Naruto fans who watch only the anime and not the manga.

(I don't count fillers at all, bare in mind.)

Call me crazy, but whenever Kishimoto gets involved in stuff besides the manga, I can tell a difference. The characters just behave differently. It's hard to see with an untrained eye, but it is noticeable.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:40 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Mar 7 2013, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Still you can't ignore the fact there are many Hinata scenes that gave her waaaay too much credit than she really deserved. Her confession scene is one of them. It was really changed dramatically just to show that Hinata didn't just run in there to get owned. Im sorry, but this is one fact that can't be denied nor can it be denied that because we know Pierrot favors Hinata she gets more credit than the manga.

There are also many Naruto fans who watch only the anime and not the manga.

(I don't count fillers at all, bare in mind.)

Call me crazy, but whenever Kishimoto gets involved in stuff besides the manga, I can tell a difference. The characters just behave differently. It's hard to see with an untrained eye, but it is noticeable.

Hinata fans are so shallow, that they really didn't care how inaccurate that scene was. I actually think they feel Hinata really should have lasted that long despite nothing in the manga proving that she could. But whatever, they can love that scene all they like because it's far from true canon (at least length wise)

Not sure why people don't read the manga, but that's their lost

Definitely, Kishi is pretty much the only guy who can truly makes his characters feel like they're suppose to be.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:51 PM

In anime, Hinata is like a create-a-character character. Hinata is like there only for them to make up stuff that no one but the fans will care. That said yeah, it is annoying how sometimes they can overplay to the point it's obvious that it's BS and Kishi.

To me, with the exception of Sasuke since the real one is not there, RtN pretty much have Kishi put what they really placed in: side characters. They're not your hero/heroine, they are supporting cast. That means they are not crucial to the overall plot. Yeah, I too can tell the difference as well when Kishi comes in play.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:52 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Mar 6 2013, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Still you can't ignore the fact there are many Hinata scenes that gave her waaaay too much credit than she really deserved. Her confession scene is one of them. It was really changed dramatically just to show that Hinata didn't just run in there to get owned. Im sorry, but this is one fact that can't be denied nor can it be denied that because we know Pierrot favors Hinata she gets more credit than the manga.

There are also many Naruto fans who watch only the anime and not the manga.

(I don't count fillers at all, bare in mind.)

Call me crazy, but whenever Kishimoto gets involved in stuff besides the manga, I can tell a difference. The characters just behave differently. It's hard to see with an untrained eye, but it is noticeable.

I just want to understand where Hinata saved Naruto two times, now it with 615 it is the third time.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 6 2013, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just want to understand where Hinata saved Naruto two times, now it with 615 it is the third time.


I think it was established that the real translation was "It would suck if you had to save me twice." Something along those lines
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:56 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Mar 6 2013, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it was established that the real translation was "It would suck if you had to save me twice." Something along those lines

Yeah, that's what I heard too. Plus, shouldn't Naruto recapped two moments that saved him if that was the case?

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Mar 6 2013, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it was established that the real translation was "It would suck if you had to save me twice." Something along those lines

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:00 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 6 2013, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:01 AM

That was easy. But we all do help.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:11 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 7 2013, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just want to understand where Hinata saved Naruto two times, now it with 615 it is the third time.


I think the two time she save her happen when she leap to confess to naruto in pain arc and where she give pep talk in the chuunin exam before neji vs naruto

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:18 AM

QUOTE (rocci @ Mar 6 2013, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the two time she save her happen when she leap to confess to naruto in pain arc and where she give pep talk in the chuunin exam before neji vs naruto

We already concluded that the real translation is that he would think that it will make him look bad if she saves him twice.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:40 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 7 2013, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We already concluded that the real translation is that he would think that it will make him look bad if she saves him twice.

Ow I see^^

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:49 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Mar 6 2013, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty much. That's my theory anyway.

With the over-exaggerations of Hinata's character and giving her more credit than she really deserves and just putting down Sakura like no tomorrow and not giving her the credit is just horrible.

You can tell even here in the RtN movie. Here we have Hinata who really is a complete b*tch, sorry, but no one has said anything against this. Yet we have Sakura the exact same way and they still don't see her in a better light lie they should.

Why? Does the anime corrupt it? I am not sure. It helps, but is this really the underlying act? Again, I can only say this is my theory. Whenever Kishimoto gets involved in the story, Sakura is seen as a caring loving girl who sometimes flies off the handle because Naruto does something stupid. In all honesty, he deserves it, but she never beat him just because she was angry which is how some scenes got played out.

At times, Sakura was even seen like Naru from Love Hina. Getting jealous and hitting Naruto, then deny her feelings. Which is not how she is at all.



QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Mar 6 2013, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Still you can't ignore the fact there are many Hinata scenes that gave her waaaay too much credit than she really deserved. Her confession scene is one of them. It was really changed dramatically just to show that Hinata didn't just run in there to get owned. Im sorry, but this is one fact that can't be denied nor can it be denied that because we know Pierrot favors Hinata she gets more credit than the manga.

There are also many Naruto fans who watch only the anime and not the manga.

(I don't count fillers at all, bare in mind.)

Call me crazy, but whenever Kishimoto gets involved in stuff besides the manga, I can tell a difference. The characters just behave differently. It's hard to see with an untrained eye, but it is noticeable.



I erased my post from here since I was planned to post it on the H&E's NaruSaku Debate Thread but I have to reply it because I totally agree with you there!

The anime heavily influences people's opinions about the characters. Most people tend to watch the anime and then start reading the manga, even if the manga show that the character in question isn't that way the anime portrayed him/her, the opinion is already formed and probably will not change easily.

Taking it into account we have the anime team portraying Hinata much better than she is in the manga, They make her scenes much bigger than they really are, They practically portrayed her as character without flaws, They even gave her healing abilities and a past in which she was bullied by other children, traits that actually belong to the series heroine aka Sakura.

But then when it's Sakura, they increased her fangirl side in part 1 and now they tend to increase her tsundere traits (This isn't because she's tsundere, the problem here is how they portray it, they make Sakura hit Naruto for everything when in fact she only hit him when she has a reason ... a very good reason to do it).

oh and of course, they keep giving Hinata shining moments and screen time in fillers, making her appear more important than she actually is while they don't do the same to Sakura .. when was the last time that Sakura had a centric episode?! ...I just can remember one in the entire serie while hinata has a lot and even one of them had one of the best animations of the entire serie.

you can also add the fact that the Hinata's character revolves around her crush for Naruto, which means that the more focus Hinata receive, the more focus NH will receive too. which explains a bit why NH is so popular in the West, since here people tend to watch more the anime than read the manga.


I don't think that the anime team have done it intentionally, but it shows how much the anime can help or hinder a character. Sakura isn't the only one, Naruto and Karin's characters also suffer because of the way that Pierrot portray them, but Sakura is the one that is most damaged because people tend to compare her with Hinata and because she stands in the NaruHina way.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:25 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 7 2013, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I erased my post from here since I was planned to post it on the H&E's NaruSaku Debate Thread but I have to reply it because I totally agree with you there!

The anime heavily influences people's opinions about the characters. Most people tend to watch the anime and then start reading the manga, even if the manga show that the character in question isn't that way the anime portrayed him/her, the opinion is already formed and probably will not change easily.

Taking it into account we have the anime team portraying Hinata much better than she is in the manga, They make her scenes much bigger than they really are, They practically portrayed her as character without flaws, They even gave her healing abilities and a past in which she was bullied by other children, traits that actually belong to the series heroine aka Sakura.

But then when it's Sakura, they increased her fangirl side in part 1 and now they tend to increase her tsundere traits (This isn't because she's tsundere, the problem here is how they portray it, they make Sakura hit Naruto for everything when in fact she only hit him when she has a reason ... a very good reason to do it).

oh and of course, they keep giving Hinata shining moments and screen time in fillers, making her appear more important than she actually is while they don't do the same to Sakura .. when was the last time that Sakura had a centric episode?! ...I just can remember one in the entire serie while hinata has a lot and even one of them had one of the best animations of the entire serie.

you can also add the fact that the Hinata's character revolves around her crush for Naruto, which means that the more focus Hinata receive, the more focus NH will receive too. which explains a bit why NH is so popular in the West, since here people tend to watch more the anime than read the manga.


I don't think that the anime team have done it intentionally, but it shows how much the anime can help or hinder a character. Sakura isn't the only one, Naruto and Karin's characters also suffer because of the way that Pierrot portray them, but Sakura is the one that is most damaged because people tend to compare her with Hinata and because she stands in the NaruHina way.


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:47 AM

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Not sure if I can trust it but I must say, after 615, a lot of people did start hating on NH and maybe Hinata. A lot of people got annoyed by everyone who is rubbing in. I actually witnessed some of them.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:58 AM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Mar 6 2013, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty much. That's my theory anyway.

With the over-exaggerations of Hinata's character and giving her more credit than she really deserves and just putting down Sakura like no tomorrow and not giving her the credit is just horrible.

You can tell even here in the RtN movie. Here we have Hinata who really is a complete b*tch, sorry, but no one has said anything against this. Yet we have Sakura the exact same way and they still don't see her in a better light lie they should.

Why? Does the anime corrupt it? I am not sure. It helps, but is this really the underlying act? Again, I can only say this is my theory. Whenever Kishimoto gets involved in the story, Sakura is seen as a caring loving girl who sometimes flies off the handle because Naruto does something stupid. In all honesty, he deserves it, but she never beat him just because she was angry which is how some scenes got played out.

At times, Sakura was even seen like Naru from Love Hina. Getting jealous and hitting Naruto, then deny her feelings. Which is not how she is at all.



Sorry James but every Anime I watch and I watched a lot of amines so believe me when I say that the stundare tends to beat the living hell out of the main guy a lot worst than Sakura.
Sakura is a joke compere to the other girls from other anime since most of the time they beat the boy the same way Karui beat him normally they use a bat, a table, there foot, etc. People just tend to hate on Sakura because she in standing in the way of NH, SN, some like girls with the submissive attitude plus Hinata looks like a bimbo making some fans say things like they prefer Hinata's melon over Sakura's flat chest, plus many guys in the west tends to dislike the girls with attitude while in Japan they don't seems to have a problem with those type a girls.

What we see in Sakura and Naruto behavior is a regular Nippon humor in a less intense way than other stundere girls.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:00 AM

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lol That much?! This site is not 100% reliable, but is still an impressive result.

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 7 2013, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not sure if I can trust it but I must say, after 615, a lot of people did start hating on NH and maybe Hinata. A lot of people got annoyed by everyone who is rubbing in. I actually witnessed some of them.



I noticed that too. Most being Neji/NejiHina fans and even some neutral fans. I think people got a little angry with her ​​reaction to Neji's death.

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