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[CloudMountainJuror]

So, with this recent chapter, Kishi is really trying to shovel NH fanservice down our throats.

I'm not losing hope in NS as the best quality pairing, but I am starting to think that Kishi is losing his mind. Sure, he might be doing this to appeal to everyone, but it's degrading his manga. For more money. Something's going wrong, here.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 18 December 2012 - 02:18 PM.

[Chatte]

So, with this recent chapter, Kishi is really trying to shovel NH fanservice down our throats.

I'm not losing hope in NS as the best quality pairing, but I am starting to think that Kishi is losing his mind. Sure, he might be doing this to appeal to everyone, but it's degrading his manga. For more money. Something's going wrong, here.

Well, he has to make his money.
That's why I said I'm afraid of him falling under the marketing thing... That's why I always said I understand from where luffy1 is coming from...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well, he has to make his money.
That's why I said I'm afraid of him falling under the marketing thing... That's why I always said I understand from where luffy1 is coming from...

where did you get that we got NH fanservice.
it was neji.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 December 2012 - 02:40 PM.

[Chatte]

where did you get that we got NH fanservice.
it was neji.

I know it was Neji, but let's admit it, it's the Pein Arc situation all over again with her sacrificing again for Naruto, etc etc.
Even if it's only from her part, everyone sees it like NH, NH! Wether we like it or not...

[CloudMountainJuror]

Well, he has to make his money.
That's why I said I'm afraid of him falling under the marketing thing... That's why I always said I understand from where luffy1 is coming from...

He's fallen... a few NH fans are thinking that this might be where the NH canon will soon begin, and to be honest, if Kishi keeps this up, I don't blame him. Look at this chapter. Naruto's reactions. It's OOC as hell, but Kishi is doing it. Hinata shows up and Naruto's like "Hinata?!" with a whole separate panel devoted to it. I don't know, something about that really irked me.

[swagosaurus]

He's fallen... a few NH fans are thinking that this might be where the NH canon will soon begin, and to be honest, if Kishi keeps this up, I don't blame him. Look at this chapter. Naruto's reactions. It's OOC as hell, but Kishi is doing it. Hinata shows up and Naruto's like "Hinata?!" with a whole separate panel devoted to it. I don't know, something about that really irked me.

Same. It's like, with Sakura, he forgot about Naruto's feelings for her.

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[CloudMountainJuror]

Same. It's like, with Sakura, he forgot about Naruto's feelings for her.

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I wouldn't go that far, but...guh I don't know. This chapter is just...terrible.

[PhenixElite]

Same. It's like, with Sakura, he forgot about Naruto's feelings for her.

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So you guy seem to think that the "häää!?" face naruto made is an indicator that naruto has suddenly feelings for hinata and that now kishi seems to forget about Narutos feelings for sakura. You guys really must think that kishi is an extremly bad writer. Or you should stop lurking around on NF.

Ive got the feeling that its even useless to tell you guys something like that because it will start from new as soon as a new chapter is released where hintata gets sone screentime.

[swagosaurus]

I'm not saying that's what's happened, I'm saying that's where it's leading to.

[PhenixElite]

I'm not saying that's what's happened, I'm saying that's where it's leading to.

Makes no difference for me.

[Chatte]

He's fallen... a few NH fans are thinking that this might be where the NH canon will soon begin, and to be honest, if Kishi keeps this up, I don't blame him. Look at this chapter. Naruto's reactions. It's OOC as hell, but Kishi is doing it. Hinata shows up and Naruto's like "Hinata?!" with a whole separate panel devoted to it. I don't know, something about that really irked me.

Dunno what to say... And indeed Naruto is kinda reacting differently to Hinata. Not saying he has feelings for her suddenly but this is where he could start to notice her more and develop something for her.

So you guy seem to think that the "häää!?" face naruto made is an indicator that naruto has suddenly feelings for hinata and that now kishi seems to forget about Narutos feelings for sakura. You guys really must think that kishi is an extremly bad writer. Or you should stop lurking around on NF.

Ive got the feeling that its even useless to tell you guys something like that because it will start from new as soon as a new chapter is released where hintata gets sone screentime.

No, not that he changed his feelings, that he might change his feelings in the future, that Kishi will be indeed developing NH and drop all the NS development because of the market pressure.

[CloudMountainJuror]

So you guy seem to think that the "häää!?" face naruto made is an indicator that naruto has suddenly feelings for hinata and that now kishi seems to forget about Narutos feelings for sakura. You guys really must think that kishi is an extremly bad writer. Or you should stop lurking around on NF.

Ive got the feeling that its even useless to tell you guys something like that because it will start from new as soon as a new chapter is released where hintata gets sone screentime.

I'm not implying that Naruto suddenly has feelings for Hinata. I'm implying that Kishi put focus on that expression of surprise. He's trying to shove it down our throats.

I've already explained why I think Kishi is a bad writer, so I won't bother elaborating on that, but with this chapter he's given more reason to think he is.

Plus, this wasn't just "some screentime". Look at the style of some of those panels. Especially the one where she and Naruto see Neji getting stabbed. That isn't just "some screentime". That's some major NH fanservice and, taking the rest of the chapter's events into account along with it, some atrocious writing.

Oops. I guess I did elaborate more on why I think he's a bad writer. Doh. x_x oh well

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 18 December 2012 - 03:07 PM.

[PhenixElite]

I'm not implying that Naruto suddenly has feelings for Hinata. I'm implying that Kishi put focus on that expression of surprise. He's trying to shove it down our throats.

I've already explained why I think Kishi is a bad writer, so I won't bother elaborating on that, but with this chapter he's given more reason to think he is.

Plus, this wasn't just "some screentime". Look at the style of some of those panels. Especially the one where she and Naruto see Neji getting stabbed. That isn't just "some screentime". That's some major NH fanservice and, taking the rest of the chapter's events into account along with it, some atrocious writing.

Oops. I guess I did elaborate more on why I think he's a bad writer. Doh. x_x oh well

Sorry, but ihavent seen one NH moment in the current chapter. Can you pls tell me where it is i just cant find it. Maybe you mean neji saying that hinata would die for narutos sake, but thats also no NH moment since he knows that since the pain arc.

@chattee: Kishimoto made one of the popularst mangas, do you realy think he would destroy his manga in making NH canon just that he maybe(not even sure) makes some more money with it?

[Chatte]

@chattee: Kishimoto made one of the popularst mangas, do you realy think he would destroy his manga in making NH canon just that he maybe(not even sure) makes some more money with it?

Well if he'll build-up NH, as it seems already is starting, no one will call him a bad writer except for some of us. Why? Because people already perceive Hinata as more heroine-ish than Sakura, even if she's a side character and NH is the most popular pair from what it seems.
Let us not forget that people always asked but what about Hinata and her confession... so, even if for us will seem bad writing, for some people, being satisfied with what they'll get, it won't seem so less critiques.

[kirabook]

Just because something is popular does not make it perfect or deserving of absolute praise and no criticism. Look at Twilight and many other YA novels that don't deserve nearly as much popularity as it has.

You know good and well what moment everyone is talking about, don't ignore it. You might not agree that it is an NH moment and you can state otherwise, but don't act like the moment people are talking about doesn't exist. It's as bad as some rabid fans ignoring any and all hints of NS building up in the manga and it only makes you look bad.

Be mature and just discuss the situation instead of trying to bury it with your shipping glasses. I don't believe it was a NH moment, and I wish Neji had spoken to Hinata directly to tell her Naruto isn't the only one at risk in this war. I feel it would have been much better for her to get that speech rather than Neji giving it to Naruto. Afterall, Neji technically protected Hinata rather than Naruto.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Dunno what to say... And indeed Naruto is kinda reacting differently to Hinata. Not saying he has feelings for her suddenly but this is where he could start to notice her more and develop something for her.



No, not that he changed his feelings, that he might change his feelings in the future, that Kishi will be indeed developing NH and drop all the NS development because of the market pressure.

Srsly there nothing romantic, naruto did way before the same expression even for ino does not mean he's in love with her, you guys take "hinata's" development as "naruhina" i was going to go on a hiatus when the spoiler said that neji : take care of hinata, but this was not confirmed so it's ok, neji died but the whole chapter was neji and the hyuuga's that "hinata?" expression was a surprise one he never knew that she would join the frontline the same expression he did when she suddenly jump out and tried to stop pain.

Everyone needs to protect naruto did you forgot that he's a key part of shikaku strategy?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 December 2012 - 04:13 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Just because something is popular does not make it perfect or deserving of absolute praise and no criticism. Look at Twilight and many other YA novels that don't deserve nearly as much popularity as it has.

You know good and well what moment everyone is talking about, don't ignore it. You might not agree that it is an NH moment and you can state otherwise, but don't act like the moment people are talking about doesn't exist. It's as bad as some rabid fans ignoring any and all hints of NS building up in the manga and it only makes you look bad.

Be mature and just discuss the situation instead of trying to bury it with your shipping glasses. I don't believe it was a NH moment, and I wish Neji had spoken to Hinata directly to tell her Naruto isn't the only one at risk in this war. I feel it would have been much better for her to get that speech rather than Neji giving it to Naruto. Afterall, Neji technically protected Hinata rather than Naruto.

Thank you for acknowledging that the event even exists.

[redragon88]

Why are people so worried that NH just got their chances increased in this chapter? I don't get it.

Should we really worry every time Hinata appears alongside Naruto? Besides, this chapter was dedicated to all of the main Hyuugas, it would've been weird if Hinata wasn't there, especially considering that Neji died.

What's the issue about Hinata protecting Naruto? That was something I would've expected her to do, given that she loves him.

I know Sakura isn't doing much, but don't you think the reason for that is that she isn't necessary to use for the story at the moment? We already know that Kishi will showcase characters only when deemed necessary. Look at Kakashi, now that the whole alliance is here his role has significantly diminished. And I haven't even seen Bee once since the alliance got there.

My point is that characters will appear when they are needed, Sakura is no exception. At the very least she's appearing in some panels. I take that as Kishi's way of saying that we shouldn't forget that she's around. Whether her role will be big or small I do think she'll have a part to play some way or another.

[kirabook]

Again, not worried about the NH stuff or Hinata at all. Really, I feel like Kishi is splitting up everyone too much. There isn't going to be enough time for other characters if Kishi only focuses on 2 side characters at a time. He could have done a lot more if Neji's team were there protecting Naruto with him and when he died (Of course, along with Hinata)

But i guess if compared to last chapter, it almost seems like he's developing 2 characters at a time, (Ino and Shikamaru, and this chapter, Neji and Hinata) I also feel like he could have done more with Neji and Hinata this chapter (And no, I'm not a NejiHina shipper) I'm sure Neji knows of Hinata's obsession, why couldn't he have said something to her directly? He just died protecting her and her carelessness and she's probably going to be the one to inherit the clan he decided he wanted to protect, why not give her an ending pep talk? "Stop trying to kill yourself so carelessly. Anyone of us can die, not just Naruto, grow up."

It's no wonder it's going to take so long to complete the manga, he puts so little into the panels now a days. It feels so slow, characters that should be getting some action won't be getting them until 10 years in the future at this rate.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Why are people so worried that NH just got their chances increased in this chapter? I don't get it.

Should we really worry every time Hinata appears alongside Naruto? Besides, this chapter was dedicated to all of the main Hyuugas, it would've been weird if Hinata wasn't there, especially considering that Neji died.

What's the issue about Hinata protecting Naruto? That was something I would've expected her to do, given that she loves him.

I know Sakura isn't doing much, but don't you think the reason for that is that she isn't necessary to use for the story at the moment? We already know that Kishi will showcase characters only when deemed necessary. Look at Kakashi, now that the whole alliance is here his role has significantly diminished. And I haven't even seen Bee once since the alliance got there.

My point is that characters will appear when they are needed, Sakura is no exception. At the very least she's appearing in some panels. I take that as Kishi's way of saying that we shouldn't forget that she's around. Whether her role will be big or small I do think she'll have a part to play some way or another.

Nope, it would have increased chances if Neji said "naruto protect hinata" or "naruto take care of hinata".