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[PhenixElite]

I don't even have shipping goggles on. I've never been one to argue if I have a bias with something. It's just like I'm able to defend ShikaTema despite not even being a fan of the two. I defended NS before I became a fan and now that I am one it's just the same for me. I don't see things as black and white for NS. I see gray, off-white, brown, black AND white.

I will say the worst scene for NS to me was the confession. Mostly because of how it was done and the reactions that Naruto and everyone else gave. However, after Kishi explained through Sai (and in his interview) what Sakura's real motive was, I'm not 100% proud of her for it, more or less I found it all embarrassing for her but thinking of her true intent, I guess I've cut her some slack.

I for one admit that I do NOT think Sakura is over Sasuke and in love with Naruto now. What I do think is that she's at a crossroads with potential HIGH potential to see that she doesn't love Sasuke and feels a stronger connection with Naruto. I say this because I see Sakura growing up now. Every time she's confessed, it was a desperate means to convince the men she gave it to - to return with her and not leave her. I'm not saying she doesn't love Sasuke, but I do think that just like with Naruto, she tried to use 'love' as a reason to get what she wanted.

Kishi has said Sakura is selfish, but stubborn and determined. She doesn't quit. This is why I see her confessions and mistakes as a means for Sakura to realize that the world doesn't revolve around her and the men in her life are not going to listen to her just because she 'feels' for them - she's got to take action and take their feelings into consideration too.

I think that the next time Sakura realizes her feelings for ANYONE (hopefully Naruto), she will realize she doesn't need to 'confess' or anything - instead she needs to remember Yamato's words to her, understand her feelings - think about (Naruto's) and just be there for him and love him.

Sakura's confession to Sasuke did nothing for her chances with him. Sakura's confession to Naruto upset him. Moreso, Hinata's confession to Naruto hasn't changed a thing between them either (except made Naruto really realize she is a special friend to him along with Sakura, Lee, Neji, Kiba, etc etc)

No romance in this manga has happened because of a confession. Minato and Kushina didn't confess to each other by saying "I'm in love with you" or "I love you". Instead, he saved her and complimented her hair - leading to her falling in love with him. There was no dramatic confession. Same with Kurenai and Asuma, Fugaku and Mikoto (have yet to learn how they hooked up... but mentioning them for some future reference maybe), or any other pairs.

Maybe that's why Naruto won't say anything, because he'd rather show Sakura he loves her than say it. Sai could see this too. The only one who seems to not noticed was Sakura. I think Sakura needs to stop confessing and instead, like Yamato 'said', remember it's not about what she does for him (Naruto), but it is about how she feels.

Love doesn't need confessions to work, it needs comfort and the knowledge that the other person feels the same as you do.

I dont agree 100%, since yamatos words doesnt mean that she dont need to confess. Also how should two persons find together if they dont even know what they other one thinks of them. Thats why i for sure see a confession from narutos when the times right. Maybe in real life it can work that two persons find together without confession, but in the manga its required to somehow confess.

I also wouldnt think too much of the confession since you cant see it 100% negative. It also had its positive parts, but to be clearly sure we will have to wait.
I for myself dont think that its imprtant for the story how long sakuras feelings for sasuke last, as long as she shows strong romantic feelings for naruto and realizes her true feeling s for naruto in the end.

Making SS canon makes no sence at all. It just shows pure negativity and i doubt that kishi is going to show something like that in the end until he didnt become totally crazy.
NH has not enough development and is also not the standard pairing in shonen like main character x tsundere. In shonen, the quiet shy girl usually never gets the main character.

Not to forget that it would be weired to pair an uzumaki with an hyuuga. Thats just no right.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I dont agree 100%, since yamatos words doesnt mean that she dont need to confess. Also how should two persons find together if they dont even know what they other one thinks of them. Thats why i for sure see a confession from narutos when the times right. Maybe in real life it can work that two persons find together without confession, but in the manga its required to somehow confess.

I also wouldnt think too much of the confession since you cant see it 100% negative. It also had its positive parts, but to be clearly sure we will have to wait.
I for myself dont think that its imprtant for the story how long sakuras feelings for sasuke last, as long as she shows strong romantic feelings for naruto and realizes her true feeling s for naruto in the end.

Making SS canon makes no sence at all. It just shows pure negativity and i doubt that kishi is going to show something like that in the end until he didnt become totally crazy.
NH has not enough development and is also not the standard pairing in shonen like main character x tsundere. In shonen, the quiet shy girl usually never gets the main character.

Not to forget that it would be weired to pair an uzumaki with an hyuuga. Thats just no right.

well it depends reading the mangas that influenced kishimoto would be better to say if the main character will get the tsundere and moreover hinata is not a legit kishimoto character it comes from an editor which told kishimoto to draw hinata.
When he started naruto a lot of people started sending letters that he was copying his brother.

Dragon ball influeced kishimoto and but what about others

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 December 2012 - 09:05 PM.

[PhenixElite]

well it depends reading the mangas that influenced kishimoto would be better to say if the main character will get the tsundere and moreover hinata is not a legit kishimoto character it comes from an editor which told kishimoto to draw hinata.
When he started naruto a lot of people started sending letters that he was copying his brother.

Dragon ball influeced kishimoto and but what about others

I dont really get what youre trying to say. Hinata wasnt made by kishi but by an editor or what?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I dont really get what youre trying to say. Hinata wasnt made by kishi but by an editor or what?

He didnt made all the characters you know, when kishimoto launched his pilot manga, a lot of people emailed saying that kishi was copying his brother, then jump said that the guy he was copying was his twin brother, the style of drawing etc and they had the same influences.
Even on the wikipedia ( both english and japanese)(masashi kishimoto) this info is provided.
Hinata is a suggestion of his editor, along with many other characters.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 December 2012 - 09:55 PM.

[Chucky-kun]

He didnt made all the characters you know, when kishimoto launched his pilot manga, a lot of people emailed saying that kishi was copying his brother, then jump said that the guy he was copying was his twin brother, the style of drawing etc and they had the same influences.
Even on the wikipedia ( both english and japanese)(masashi kishimoto) this info is provided.
Hinata is a suggestion of his editor, along with many other characters.

Interwesting, veryyyy interwesting.


Edit: I think Luffy rage quit the forums.

Edited by Chucky-kun, 17 December 2012 - 10:01 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Question: Why is everybody saying that there will be a big cliffhanger in the chapter before the break? In the chapters the years before there wasnt a big cliffhanger.
I have the feeling that the focus is now going more to kakashi again, so i have the feeling that we will get the real NS interaction after they defeated the Juubi. I wont wonder if sakura gets a total break in that arc.
But the next arc is going to focus only on team 7, since they will have to meet sasuke again.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Question: Why is everybody saying that there will be a big cliffhanger in the chapter before the break? In the chapters the years before there wasnt a big cliffhanger.
I have the feeling that the focus is now going more to kakashi again, so i have the feeling that we will get the real NS interaction after they defeated the Juubi. I wont wonder if sakura gets a total break in that arc.
But the next arc is going to focus only on team 7, since they will have to meet sasuke again.

previous chapter we got a cliffhanger but this i think it will regards NS
there will be anotehr chapter in X-mas because it's not a holiday on japan then after this week i think it's one or two weeks since jump always make a pause on the magazine.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 December 2012 - 10:57 PM.

[redragon88]

He didnt made all the characters you know, when kishimoto launched his pilot manga, a lot of people emailed saying that kishi was copying his brother, then jump said that the guy he was copying was his twin brother, the style of drawing etc and they had the same influences.
Even on the wikipedia ( both english and japanese)(masashi kishimoto) this info is provided.
Hinata is a suggestion of his editor, along with many other characters.

What I heard is that the original story only involved Naruto and Kakashi. The starting concept was about how Kakashi would teach Naruto little by little how to be a proper ninja.

But then the editor working with Kishi suggested adding a rival character and a love interests to make the dynamics more interesting. And just for the record, it not that the editor forced Kishi to change the story, from what I heard they were close friends and Kishi trusted his judgment completely.

Is not the Kishi changed his story, is that he took as much advice as he could before creating something concrete. The story of only Naruto and Kakashi as main characters was only a rough concept without proper structure. Basically just an idea of the top of your head, at least that how I think it was. But as Kishi investigated more and listen to others opinions he came up of with the proper concept used in the actual story.

That being said, from what I heard part of that original rough concept was to have Hinata as a civilian that would appear from time to time, as any proper minor character. But while structuring the story the editor suggested that Hinata be turned into a ninja. I think it was done thinking that she would have no place in the story if she wasn't a ninja.

I think Hinata was one of Kishi's original creations, but I don't think he was thinking of making her a love interest way back then. If that was the case it would've come into conflict with the suggestion of creating an actual love interest for Naruto in the form of Sakura.

[PhenixElite]

previous chapter we got a cliffhanger but this i think it will regards NS
there will be anotehr chapter in X-mas because it's not a holiday on japan then after this week i think it's one or two weeks since jump always make a pause on the magazine.

Hmmm it would be nice if the next chapter contains some NS but i wouldnt expect too much.
I by myself think that the real NS scene will be after the juubi defeat, since i also think that this will be the monent where the Sakura/Rin parralel will be brought up. They need to defeat the juubi first before they can handle madara and obito.
Of course it would be great to see something by now but im not sure. We'll see.

[TouKen4Life3g]

What I heard is that the original story only involved Naruto and Kakashi. The starting concept was about how Kakashi would teach Naruto little by little how to be a proper ninja.

But then the editor working with Kishi suggested adding a rival character and a love interests to make the dynamics more interesting. And just for the record, it not that the editor forced Kishi to change the story, from what I heard they were close friends and Kishi trusted his judgment completely.

Is not the Kishi changed his story, is that he took as much advice as he could before creating something concrete. The story of only Naruto and Kakashi as main characters was only a rough concept without proper structure. Basically just an idea of the top of your head, at least that how I think it was. But as Kishi investigated more and listen to others opinions he came up of with the proper concept used in the actual story.

That being said, from what I heard part of that original rough concept was to have Hinata as a civilian that would appear from time to time, as any proper minor character. But while structuring the story the editor suggested that Hinata be turned into a ninja. I think it was done thinking that she would have no place in the story if she wasn't a ninja.

I think Hinata was one of Kishi's original creations, but I don't think he was thinking of making her a love interest way back then. If that was the case it would've come into conflict with the suggestion of creating an actual love interest for Naruto in the form of Sakura.

Yeah, I heard stuff like that. I don't think Hinata was ever meant to be that big of a deal. From what I heard, if Kishi kept the same story from his old work, it would have end very short, but thanks to additional ideas (rivals, love interest), the story can last long and there are more to look forward to. Funny that the love interest started off with Sakura. Perhaps that's the only target for Naruto, while Hinata provides a conflict for Naruto.

I got a question for you guys: why did Kishi added that scene with Sakura saying "Hinata loves Naruto..." with that expression?

[Chucky-kun]

Yeah, I heard stuff like that. I don't think Hinata was ever meant to be that big of a deal. From what I heard, if Kishi kept the same story from his old work, it would have end very short, but thanks to additional ideas (rivals, love interest), the story can last long and there are more to look forward to. Funny that the love interest started off with Sakura. Perhaps that's the only target for Naruto, while Hinata provides a conflict for Naruto.

I got a question for you guys: why did Kishi added that scene with Sakura saying "Hinata loves Naruto..." with that expression?

There are many interpretations.
1. Sakura's got competition
2. Hinata confessed
3. Hinata got hurt for confessing
4. Reflection on the whole love triangle thing
There are others, i cant remember right now

[Nate River]

There are many interpretations.
1. Sakura's got competition

Problem is, Sakura has never treated her as such. In fact, except for the early part of Part 1 there hasn't been open competition between legs of the triange. Hinata and Sakura have never treated themselves as rivals for Naruto's affection and the same is true of Naruto and Sasuke. To the extent it existed there it was all Naruto and even that was relatively short lived. It was a piece of their rivalry not the main event.

If this was the point it's never been followed up.

2. Hinata confessed

3. Hinata got hurt for confessing

What's the point of reiterating what was plain as day just before that?

4. Reflection on the whole love triangle thing
There are others, i cant remember right now

Maybe Sakura aknowledging it's existence? I don't know. If it is it has not meant much. I'd more inclined to something like that is Sakura mentions it at some point down the line.

[neoshadow]

The way I read it was that Sakura is saddened at realizing Hinata loves Naruto because it means she is now on a time limit.

At the start of Part 2 it was pretty much established that though Sakura loves Sasuke she has new found feelings for Naruto.
The problem is that she loves both of them but her feelings for Naruto are markedly different from her feelings for Sasuke and the way I always saw it as and since she has been in love with Sasuke and longed for him for so long during the timeskip that it's become more of an incredibly strong infatuation, she is in love with the idea of him, its more of a physical love. Whereas Naruto is more of a building romance and its more an emotional love, but that's just my interpretation.

So these two different types of feelings leave her incredibly confused, Yamato helped to clear up some of it during the events on the bridge but she is still confused by them and she needs time to figure it out without any external forces pressuring her into making a decision. Before Hinata's confession she thought she was the only one who had feelings for him so she would have all the time in the world to come to a conclusion, she now knows that someone else is in love with Naruto, so now she's on a time limit to figure out her feelings. And I don't think it's any coincidence that the next arc is the Kage Summit which has Sasuke's fall to darkness, Sakura's confession and the reunion of Team 7 only serving to confuse her feelings further.

[Zatheko]

The way I read it was that Sakura is saddened at realizing Hinata loves Naruto because it means she is now on a time limit.

At the start of Part 2 it was pretty much established that though Sakura loves Sasuke she has new found feelings for Naruto.
The problem is that she loves both of them but her feelings for Naruto are markedly different from her feelings for Sasuke and the way I always saw it as and since she has been in love with Sasuke and longed for him for so long during the timeskip that it's become more of an incredibly strong infatuation, she is in love with the idea of him, its more of a physical love. Whereas Naruto is more of a building romance and its more an emotional love, but that's just my interpretation.

So these two different types of feelings leave her incredibly confused, Yamato helped to clear up some of it during the events on the bridge but she is still confused by them and she needs time to figure it out without any external forces pressuring her into making a decision. Before Hinata's confession she thought she was the only one who had feelings for him so she would have all the time in the world to come to a conclusion, she now knows that someone else is in love with Naruto, so now she's on a time limit to figure out her feelings. And I don't think it's any coincidence that the next arc is the Kage Summit which has Sasuke's fall to darkness, Sakura's confession and the reunion of Team 7 only serving to confuse her feelings further.

I agree with this, I have always felt that she was in love with who he was and not who he is, yet her love for naruto is for him and yes it is a building romance as you said.

[PhenixElite]

For me it always looked like she was sad because hinata tried to help naruto and she couldnt do anything for him again.
So maybe she thought that she should have done the same for naruto. It could also be that sakura thought that hinata deserves naruto more then her.

[Branden]

Sakura knew that Hinata loved Naruto and that she nearly died trying to protect him. That knowledge made her sad. Interpretations anyone?

[Chatte]

For me it always looked like she was sad because hinata tried to help naruto and she couldnt do anything for him again.
So maybe she thought that she should have done the same for naruto. It could also be that sakura thought that hinata deserves naruto more then her.

To be honest I always had this in mind. After she realized Hinata's love for Naruto, I feel like she's going to back down even if she loves Naruto just because she thinks of herself she's not worthy of Naruto's love, as she has those strong self-confidence problems like "The idiot loves me"...
Hope you get what I mean. ^^

[Canadian_DJ]

Can we drop the spoiler everyone on 2ch already told that it's fake can we just move to another topic?

http://ikura.2ch.net...5662646/601-700

what the heck is that?

[Chucky-kun]

Can we drop the spoiler everyone on 2ch already told that it's fake can we just move to another topic?

http://ikura.2ch.net...5662646/601-700

Huh?

[Chatte]

It was something about the spoilers we had...