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[LegendaryArcanine42]

Go back and reread chapters 469, 470, 474, then go back and reread the chapters in the 290's, then go back and reread the rescue Gaara arc, etc... lots of manga canon proof.

Where did you get the idea that Karin hates Sasuke's guts now? There's absolutely nothing in the manga that says that. In fact just the opposite. In the manga canon she says- paraphrasing a bit here to explain the emotional context of the scene better- Cries out in anguish- "Don't do this Sasuke! Then plaintively reasoning with herself- "Maybe I should give up on him now."

That's the last we get of her true feelings about Sasuke. Her reasonable self is saying this guy is not right in the head, but her heart still cares.

Kishimoto has made it pretty obvious Sasuke will have some kind of redemption and has a decent chance of living after his redemption. My gut says if Kishimoto does go down the lives after the redemption plotline path the most likely as a chastened man- a wanderer looking to truly redeem himself and discover who he can become free from living a life being yanked around by the chains he has lived under from his legacy and by his own doing. (Naruto has successfully made most of that journey, Sasuke's hasn't begun and will be harder because he mostly willingly took the path he knew was wrong)

I've read these chapters... It hasn't been confirmed, as in... IT IS NOT CANON YET!!! The confession does not show her actual intention, she could've been bluffing Naruto into coming back to Konoha with her, so therefore the "confession" has not yet been proven to be canonical evidence of Sakura having romantic interests in Naruto because Sakura's motive for "confessing" was not yet shown.

There is a difference between Canon and Confirmation btw, Canon supports and Confirmation makes it the real deal...

Furthermore, maybe I was being a little melodramatic on my part after saying "Karin hates his guts!" but she certainly doesn't want to get involved with someone she views as crazy...

She's not THAT masochistic ¬_¬

[ciardha]

I've read these chapters... It hasn't been confirmed, as in... IT IS NOT CANON YET!!! The confession does not show her actual intention, she could've been bluffing Naruto into coming back to Konoha with her, so therefore the "confession" has not yet been proven to be canonical evidence of Sakura having romantic interests in Naruto because Sakura's motive for "confessing" was not yet shown.

Yes it was, oh and go back and reread chapters 458 and 459 as well as the others I mentioned. But if you want to pretend that it doesn't that's fine by me. I'll just ignore your comments from now on. I'm not going to waste my time with someone who is determined to hold a negative opinion of Sakura despite manga proof that your viewpoint is wrong, despite Kishimoto's own words about Sakura as well. The anime is not accurate to canon, and the Sakura bashing members of the Naruto fandom that you've let influence your opinion of the character, including a fair number of so called narusaku fanfic writers, are absolutely wrong.

[FoolishYoungling]

I just though of something funny Kishi could do. Basically it is something like this:

Sasuke tells Sakura he finally realizes he loves her and she does the same thing Naruto did to her (rejecting the truth). Then she will go on about how he had his chance. Then NS is canon..

Yeeeaaappp, thats my prediction..

[ciardha]

I just though of something funny Kishi could do. Basically it is something like this:

Sasuke tells Sakura he finally realizes he loves her and she does the same thing Naruto did to her (rejecting the truth). Then she will go on about how he had his chance. Then NS is canon..

Yeeeaaappp, thats my prediction..

heh, won't happen in manga canon, but it would make an amusing fanfic.

[Rocket]

I just though of something funny Kishi could do. Basically it is something like this:

Sasuke tells Sakura he finally realizes he loves her and she does the same thing Naruto did to her (rejecting the truth). Then she will go on about how he had his chance. Then NS is canon..

Yeeeaaappp, thats my prediction..

You're just kidding right?

[LegendaryArcanine42]

Yes it was, oh and go back and reread chapters 458 and 459 as well as the others I mentioned. But if you want to pretend that it doesn't that's fine by me. I'll just ignore your comments from now on. I'm not going to waste my time with someone who is determined to hold a negative opinion of Sakura despite manga proof that your viewpoint is wrong, despite Kishimoto's own words about Sakura as well. The anime is not accurate to canon, and the Sakura bashing members of the Naruto fandom that you've let influence your opinion of the character, including a fair number of so called narusaku fanfic writers, are absolutely wrong.

Whoa, whoa, hold it right there with the thought train Wannabe-Kishimoto!

Your tone is a bit too aggressive for my liking, cool your jets and I'll explain why I said what I said, and if you don't like it don't be a snob about it... This is a debate, remember?

Firstly, your claiming things without a factual, confirmed 100% legit basis... It may seem like it, but what your doing is re-affirming your opinion by using canonical evidence, now if you claimed it as such then that would be fine.

However, you firmly believe that your opinion is fact! Sakura's confession was not said to be "real" by Kishimoto or any other official Naruto authority, therefore your claims lack authenticity and validity and are henceforth both falsified and opinionated until Kishimoto or the manga have stated otherwise...

Even in the chapters you have recommended for me, the other characters speculated that Sakura's confession might've been a lie.

On a somewhat related point, you immediately claimed that I hold a negative opinion of Sakura, that also lack authenticity and validity... If I hated Sakura, why would I be here? Did that not cross your mind? (For lack of a better phrase).

Also, I severely dislike your elitist opinion of fanfic writers... Just because you disagree with their attempt to keep a character's personality, does not give you the right to condemn their efforts!

[FoolishYoungling]

heh, won't happen in manga canon, but it would make an amusing fanfic.

Yeah, it was more of a fantasy really. The fact that Sasuke would hug Sakura and her just punching him harder than she has ever punched Naruto before.. THAT... WOULD... BE... EPICNESS!However, it seems a little too.. well... impossible. However, I still think Sakura is gonna reject Sasuke in the end. Either it be by rejecting his new overrated love for her, or it be her just stopping to love(or having a crush on) him.

@Shanai-chan: Oh come on! I was just trying to have fun..

@LA: You sure love backing up the Sakura bashers don't you... me and Sakura are shaking our heads at you right now..

Edited by Sakura Lover, 20 November 2011 - 12:05 AM.

[Don-kun]

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But the point was in Inuyasha there were mutual romantic feelings

Inuyasha to Kikyo
Kikyo to Inuyasha
Inuyasha to Kagome
Kagome to Inuyasha

and Inuyasha still loved Kikyo after she died the second time. I knew it was going to be KagomexInuyasha but the shippers of KikyoxInuyasha actually had a valid basis for thinking it would end up with their pairing.


In Naruto there's absolutely no valid basis for Sasusaku or Naruhina. Heck the LeeSaku shippers have more validity than either of those and those shippers are polite folks that quietly believe in their ship in a kind of quirky determined way. Because Sakura was actually quite kind to Lee when he was in the hospital, visiting him and leaving him a flower too... and she mentally acknowledged his love for her in the Forest of Death and that added to her motivation to fight and become stronger along with her feelings for Naruto and Sasuke. LeeSaku isn't going to happen, not SaiSaku either (those shippers are around too, and have just as much basis as Naruhina and Sasusaku, but like the LeeSaku shippers they tend to be low key, seen some fanart floating around, and certainly after the confession arc I can see why someone would ship SaiSaku. We can see Sai has come to care about Sakura as deeply as he had Naruto after his introductory arc.)

There's also SasuKar to take into account. Unlike with Sakura, there is some manga canon evidence that Sasuke was attracted to Karin, enough so that she was able to do what only Naruto has done, turn him briefly away from his single-minded hatred of everyone, single-minded plunge into complete darkness. He even says so, using much the same words he uses with Naruto- coldly angry and violent about how they had distracted him. Is it a good relationship- no, not as Sasuke is in part 2, but the feelings were there. And Karin, unlike Sakura did not have an image of Sasuke based on an absolutely false illusion, her attraction was based in reality, what actually happened between them. Karin is a darker more alpha girl than Sakura, much more balanced with him, she routinely argued with him, and made no bones about his more stupid actions- like willingly coming to Orochimaru knowing what he was and what he wanted, instead of her case where Orochimaru found her as a young child, the sole surviving person in a civilian village after bandits slaughtered everyone else... (her ability made her sense the bloodlust coming toward the village and she hid)- a bit of this background was in the manga, but most was from her entry in the third Naruto databook.

Sasuke finds Sakura completely uninteresting in part 1, in part 2 hates her the same as he does all the other people of Konoha, except for Naruto, although he does seem to have gained a minimal respect for her- I think because she did see the threat he really wants to be to the world

Sakura crush on Sasuke in part 1, depressed and ashamed of the remnants of those feelings in part 2. Just don't see any possibility there whatsoever.

Naruto thinks Hinata is a weird, shy girl in part 1 but counts her as a friend, same as he does Lee who he also finds weird. Fights for her because he thinks Neiji acted like a vicious bully, then when he finds out the searing pain that caused Neiji to go the direction he did the fight is no longer about getting back at a bully but waking Neiji up to the fact he still has choices, he's not as caged as he thinks he is. Naruto does this a lot, begins a fight thinking someone is an unforgivable enemy then after hearing their story discovers that person's pain and the fight switches to waking that person up to a different path. Even with Nagato he was able to come to that point, but it took words on both sides not fists to get there. In part 2 he still thinks she's a weird shy girl but counts her as a friend, but has recently come to understand her better-enough to know that all she needs is to realize that she's stronger than she believes she is, is to stop idolizing him and see those qualities in herself. He has never felt anything romantic for her. And Hinata herself looks to be moving on from her part 1- chapter 437 hero worshiping crush on Naruto. In the manga we haven't seen her so much as even lightly blush around him since chapter 450. She was still hero worshiping him, but confusing that with love looks to have faded.

Sasuke may have some romantic feelings for Naruto bound up with hate and the team mate and an intense best friend bond. Kishimoto certainly gives enough of an impression that Sasuke is kind of in love with Naruto that I'm not dismissing the SasuNaru shippers out of hand, but romantically it's still completely one sided so will never happen. Naruto has intense feelings for Sasuke, but on his side it's completely brotherly. The intensity of the mutual bond does give that ship more weight than the other one sided ships- especially sasusaku and naruhina though.


Sakura has semiconscious attraction to Naruto in part 1, and is deeply in love with Naruto in part 2. Naruto is deeply in love with Sakura in parts 1 and 2.

now tell me what pairings have any basis in story reality?

Narusaku: absolute ironclad basis.

SasuKar: something mutual was there, not healthy, but still there. Only plausible ship for Sasuke- if he is redeemed and lives, iffy though even then. Karin will probably be rather wary, and will a redeemed Sasuke even think he should try after what he did to her.

Sory ciardha 540 completely destroys your argument

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hold it!

I missed the chapter where Sakura was confirmed to have actual romantic feelings for Naruto, let alone be deeply in love with him...

(inb4Densetsuplaysdevil'sadvocateagain...)

And also... Karin a plausible ship for Sasuke? Karin hates his guts now, and at the very best it wold be one-sided, the only plausible ship for Sasuke would either be Plot Device or Death... AND I SHIP BOTH!!! >

I totaly agree with LegendaryArcanine42, I love to read your post ciardha but this time you are goin to far.
Naruto Like Sakura but he don't love her the same way as before, Naruto no longer loves Sakura desperately
he care more about her happiness. (we all know that her happiness is with him)

Sakura care more about Naruto than Sasuke, she puts him before Sasuke, but she don't love Naruto to that level yet.
we all hope that she question her feelings for Naruto and her feelings for Sasuke, but until that day she do that we need to say that she like Sasuke romantically. and not Naruto

Edited by donjoseph19, 20 November 2011 - 12:15 AM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

Sory ciardha 540 completely destroys your argument

I totaly agree with LegendaryArcanine42, I love to read your post ciardha but this time you are goin to far.
Naruto Like Sakura but he don't love her the same way as before, Naruto no longer loves Sakura desperately
he care more about her happiness. (we all know that her happiness is with him)

Sakura care more about Naruto than Sasuke, she puts him before Sasuke, but she don't love Naruto to that level yet.
we all hope that she question her feelings for Naruto and her feelings for Sasuke, but until that day she do that we need to say that she like Sasuke romantically. and not Naruto

Wait...

What?

*reads again* OMGWTFBBQNOWAII!!!

Someone agrees with me? This feeling is incredible! XD

@SakuraLover I don't back the bashers... I BACK COMMON SENSE JUST LIKE SAKURA!!!

So she's actually shaking her head at you...

Edited by LegendaryArcanine42, 20 November 2011 - 12:19 AM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Heh the talk in this thread makes me laugh to no end. Naruto Loves Sakura the same as he has since part 1 even more now. I dont know what you guys have been reading but really you guys make me laugh.

[Fenris]

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Sory ciardha 540 completely destroys your argument




I totaly agree with LegendaryArcanine42, I love to read your post ciardha but this time you are goin to far.
Naruto Like Sakura but he don't love her the same way as before, Naruto no longer loves Sakura desperately
he care more about her happiness. (we all know that her happiness is with him)

Sakura care more about Naruto than Sasuke, she puts him before Sasuke, but she don't love Naruto to that level yet.
we all hope that she question her feelings for Naruto and her feelings for Sasuke, but until that day she do that we need to say that she like Sasuke romantically. and not Naruto

No. It's possible for Naruto to love Sakura and STILL care about her happiness. That's what love is. It doesn't matter either way. Naruto cared about Sakura's happiness in part 1 cause he loved her so much, in part 2, it didn't change. He still loves her just the same.
About 540, Kishi wouldn't ruin the subplot by saying she loved Naruto. If she has lingering feelings, than her assumption would automatically go to Sasuke, and think about it: She could of been thinking past tense.

And it is also possible for Sakura to love two men at once.

Heh the talk in this thread makes me laugh to no end. Naruto Loves Sakura the same as he has since part 1 even more now. I dont know what you guys have been reading but really you guys make me laugh.

Yeah. I agree man. If anything hjis love for her is even stronger now

Edited by iamfenris, 20 November 2011 - 12:33 AM.

[Don-kun]

Wait...

What?

*reads again* OMGWTFBBQNOWAII!!!

Someone agrees with me? This feeling is incredible! XD

@SakuraLover I don't back the bashers... I BACK COMMON SENSE JUST LIKE SAKURA!!!

So she's actually shaking her head at you...

I love Sakura and I love Naruto
I hate Sasuke and strongly thing Sakura don't love him, but for me to say that Sakura deeply love Naruto is not right.

She deeply care about him? yes

She will defend Naruto rather than Sasuke? yes

Would she choose to save Naruto's life if she has to choose one? i will strongly say yes.

Is Naruto closer to Sakura heart? yes

Will she risk her life for him? again yes


Remove all Sasuke bias, revenge murder attempts and ask Sakura who she likes?

there you get your answer
She is depressed, sad and ashamed because she like the wrong person, Sasuke is not a good man.

Again when she question her feelings for Sasuke vs her feelings for Naruto then we may say that.

Edited by donjoseph19, 20 November 2011 - 12:46 AM.

[ciardha]

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Sory ciardha 540 completely destroys your argument

No it doesn't. The guy just reminded her of her one sided crush on Sasuke and how she still carries remnants of those feelings which makes her feel sick and ashamed. Note She's not blushing either, she hasn't about Sasuke the entire part 2 of the manga. Compare that to her scenes with Naruto, nearly every time she mentions something about her feelings for Naruto, and at times even just seeing Naruto causes her to lightly blush. Sorry dude, that scene was just meant to clarify to readers how sick and ashamed she is over carrying even remnants of feelings for Sasuke. It's not anything she wants. In 469-70 she spelled it out loud and clear that she is in love with Naruto and what she wants is to be romantically totally devoted to him. Sai reinforces this in 474. Even Naruto gets that Sakura is in love with him to some degree, he looks a bit ashamed when Sai makes that emphasis about Sakura being in love Naruto and he should get that she was totally devoting what she was doing for his sake. Note as well the nonverbal interactions when Naruto rescues Sakura from Sasuke. Note as well Naruto's mental image of Sakura in chapter 505 page 2....

It's silly to panic at any scene that has Naruto interacting with Hinata or has Sakura thinking about Sasuke in any capacity and absolutely completely deny any scene that is obviously narusaku on Sakura's part as devoutly as the Sakura bashers.

[Don-kun]

Heh the talk in this thread makes me laugh to no end. Naruto Loves Sakura the same as he has since part 1 even more now. I dont know what you guys have been reading but really you guys make me laugh.

No. It's possible for Naruto to love Sakura and STILL care about her happiness. That's what love is. It doesn't matter either way. Naruto cared about Sakura's happiness in part 1 cause he loved her so much, in part 2, it didn't change. He still loves her just the same.
About 540, Kishi wouldn't ruin the subplot by saying she loved Naruto. If she has lingering feelings, than her assumption would automatically go to Sasuke, and think about it: She could of been thinking past tense.

And it is also possible for Sakura to love two men at once.



Yeah. I agree man. If anything hjis love for her is even stronger now

Yes man he love for her is even more now is true. but he will still be ok

You, me and every NS fans, know that Sakura loves Naruto by her actions and Yamato speech, but still this has not been confirmed in the manga by her, (Kishimoto) she is still showing us that Sasuke is the man she like.

don't get me wrong I am a die hard NaruSaku fan

But Sakura has not confirmed yet that she love him, and Naruto will be happy if she choose someone els as long as she is happy thats reality.

I already know that the someone els will be Naruto, but we cannot ignore facts.

thats why other pairing are still ranting even if by now the pairing they like really has a slim chance, we cannot be too arrogant about it .

No it doesn't. The guy just reminded her of her one sided crush on Sasuke and how she still carries remnants of those feelings which makes her feel sick and ashamed. Note She's not blushing either, she hasn't about Sasuke the entire part 2 of the manga. Compare that to her scenes with Naruto, nearly every time she mentions something about her feelings for Naruto, and at times even just seeing Naruto causes her to lightly blush. Sorry dude, that scene was just meant to clarify to readers how sick and ashamed she is over carrying even remnants of feelings for Sasuke. It's not anything she wants. In 469-70 she spelled it out loud and clear that she is in love with Naruto and what she wants is to be romantically totally devoted to him. Sai reinforces this in 474. Even Naruto gets that Sakura is in love with him to some degree, he looks a bit ashamed when Sai makes that emphasis about Sakura being in love Naruto and he should get that she was totally devoting what she was doing for his sake. Note as well the nonverbal interactions when Naruto rescues Sakura from Sasuke. Note as well Naruto's mental image of Sakura in chapter 505 page 2....

It's silly to panic at any scene that has Naruto interacting with Hinata or has Sakura thinking about Sasuke in any capacity and absolutely completely deny any scene that is obviously narusaku on Sakura's part as devoutly as the Sakura bashers.

I hate Sakura bashers they only make stupid comments about her and they are mostly buthurt because the NS has a lot more chance.

but my point is we has readers we know that Sakura like Naruto a lot, but this has not been confirmed by her yet. The confession was created by Sai, he was not completely fake there was some true about her feelings for him, but if not for Sai we would never heard those words from Sakura.

Plus I don't read anti Narusaku because I really find the comments make by does haters stupid and mostly NH fan point of view, i hate the brother sister bias, but in the anti big 3 the comments are more neutral, I can see the weakness of the NS pairing.

Edited by donjoseph19, 20 November 2011 - 01:38 AM.

[Fenris]

No it doesn't. The guy just reminded her of her one sided crush on Sasuke and how she still carries remnants of those feelings which makes her feel sick and ashamed. Note She's not blushing either, she hasn't about Sasuke the entire part 2 of the manga. Compare that to her scenes with Naruto, nearly every time she mentions something about her feelings for Naruto, and at times even just seeing Naruto causes her to lightly blush. Sorry dude, that scene was just meant to clarify to readers how sick and ashamed she is over carrying even remnants of feelings for Sasuke. It's not anything she wants. In 469-70 she spelled it out loud and clear that she is in love with Naruto and what she wants is to be romantically totally devoted to him. Sai reinforces this in 474. Even Naruto gets that Sakura is in love with him to some degree, he looks a bit ashamed when Sai makes that emphasis about Sakura being in love Naruto and he should get that she was totally devoting what she was doing for his sake. Note as well the nonverbal interactions when Naruto rescues Sakura from Sasuke. Note as well Naruto's mental image of Sakura in chapter 505 page 2....

It's silly to panic at any scene that has Naruto interacting with Hinata or has Sakura thinking about Sasuke in any capacity and absolutely completely deny any scene that is obviously narusaku on Sakura's part as devoutly as the Sakura bashers.

As right as usual, ciardha.
I agree completely, Sakura is ashamed of her feelings for Sasuke, and you're right about the whole "Naruto realized it to some degree" too. It was shown in the panels that he did realize it, at least a bit. Sakura doesn't blush at all when she thinks/hears of Sasuke, it's Naruto she blushes with nearly every time she's with him.

[FoolishYoungling]

Wait...

What?

*reads again* OMGWTFBBQNOWAII!!!

Someone agrees with me? This feeling is incredible! XD

@SakuraLover I don't back the bashers... I BACK COMMON SENSE JUST LIKE SAKURA!!!

So she's actually shaking her head at you...

Don't you dare! Ever! Put Sakura on your side! (shes mine! *throws chair at a window, then turns into the hulk*)

Me: You say that Kishi never said that the confesson was true? Well yes he did, in a interview he said he wrote Sakura to be a honest girl in that confession.
You/Sakura Basher: Yeah then what about her thinking about Sasuke again in chapter 540?
Me: She was thinking about how guilty and foolish she was being.. can't you see the face she was making? .. the beautiful, beautiful face... *Sakura fangasm*

[Fenris]

lol this thread rn.

Lets try to um, make the Sakura love obvious...



There we go. All better.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

Don't you dare! Ever! Put Sakura on your side! (shes mine! *throws chair at a window, then turns into the hulk*)

Me: You say that Kishi never said that the confesson was true? Well yes he did, in a interview he said he wrote Sakura to be a honest girl in that confession.
You/Sakura Basher: Yeah then what about her thinking about Sasuke again in chapter 540?
Me: She was thinking about how guilty and foolish she was being.. can't you see the face she was making? .. the beautiful, beautiful face... *Sakura fangasm*

Link or it didn't happen...

@fenris I don't see any confirmation of that being true, and don't give me that Sakura isn't a good actor couner-argument either...

She's a ninja, SHE HAS TO BE!!!

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Link or it didn't happen...

@fenris I don't see any confirmation of that being true, and don't give me that Sakura isn't a good actor couner-argument either...

She's a ninja, SHE HAS TO BE!!!

Its true actually he said to everyone he wanted it to show her being an honest girl during her talk to Naruto.

[Fenris]

Link or it didn't happen...

@fenris I don't see any confirmation of that being true, and don't give me that Sakura isn't a good actor couner-argument either...

She's a ninja, SHE HAS TO BE!!!

There would be no reason for her to lie. Why come out and say I love you? She could of EASILY just said "Hey, Naruto, leggo back to Konoha." She didn't have to just come out and say "I love you." and give her big speech on WHY she loves him - then hug him and God knows what else she was going to do before he stopped her.
Someone else could explain this better than I can. Plus Kishi has mentioned before that she's portrayed as a honest girl.
Anyway,
There was no panels introducing what happened beforehand. Just Sakuras i love you (Which she should of been saying to Jordan. )

Edited by iamfenris, 20 November 2011 - 01:33 AM.