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#661 Nostradamus

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Posted 15 June 2016 - 02:26 PM

Statement: Hagoromo and his family tree should have remain a legend than a reveal in physical and present form. It's more "interesting" than actually meeting them.

Agree or disagree?

Infinitely agreed.


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Posted 15 June 2016 - 03:06 PM

Statement: Hagoromo and his family tree should have remain a legend than a reveal in physical and present form. It's more "interesting" than actually meeting them.

Agree or disagree?

 

I states this before, but I believe as far as Naruto's story goes  and his generation of shinobi it should've been a legend because like you said they'd be more interesting then actually seeing them for Naruto.  Kishi should've left all the Hagoromo and Kaguya and Hamura bits for the generation after Naruto because not only would it focus on his children specifically, but it can also have the theme of the next generation surpassing the previous one and I feel like involving Hagoromo and especially Kaguya would've benefitted more in the next generation story. 


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Posted 15 June 2016 - 03:51 PM

hamura and kaguya shouldn't even have been a thing in the first place as they are just there to force the hyuuga's to be relevant. and yes they shouldn't have been in the final arc at all. Madara as the ten tails host was enough, i mean look at him. Thats a final boss look if i ever saw one.



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Posted 15 June 2016 - 06:32 PM

Statement: Hagoromo and his family tree should have remain a legend than a reveal in physical and present form. It's more "interesting" than actually meeting them.

Agree or disagree?

Agree, and they also should have stuck with how the legend was initially told with only Hagaromo and the Jubi simply being some unknown, mysterious monster. Early on I also thought Hagaromo got the Rinnegan as a result of becoming the Jubi's Jinchuriki, like that was the physical show of him being one (like Naruto's whiskers, Gaara's eyes, etc.) for a being that powerful.


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Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:31 PM

Disagree.

Hinata would still completely lack any meaningful development both individually and any development that would make her confession truly mean anything outside of, like it is now, her own selfishness. The ironic thing being that, if that confession was all it took to "accomplish her character", and that merely confessing, but not knowing Naruto's response to said confession, is "closure", it would only reinforce what we've been saying this whole time - that she never had any (good) character and what little "character" she did have was nothing but a Naruto obsession where only her feelings on the subject mattered and not Naruto's.

She may not have overstayed her welcome then, but it doesn't make what time she was there enjoyable either, lol.

Her dying wouldn't really have affected anything since Hinata barley did anything in the series to make us care for her. Also Hinata has no character outside of her big kittens and saying Naruto and being a doormat. Though if she had died she could have been used in the undead army and be used to develop Neji and her father more and Neji probably would have died or not.



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Posted 16 June 2016 - 09:55 PM

Killing of Hinata back then would mean there would be no way to measure her character. It's like cutting of a flower before it blooms and asking how pretty it was, or delivering an unfinished essay to ask for a good grade. I get there is a new question now ~ops, but I don't visit here everyday so I'm late to the party.

 

I have no opinion on the next question. I think Hagoromo, Kaguya, that kittening tree, should've been avoided alltogether. It should've ended with Madara. But Kishi didn't know how to end him, so instead of doing so he covered him up with more characters that he didn't know how to end either. :roll:


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Posted 17 June 2016 - 01:00 PM

Killing of Hinata back then would mean there would be no way to measure her character. It's like cutting of a flower before it blooms and asking how pretty it was, or delivering an unfinished essay to ask for a good grade. I get there is a new question now ~ops, but I don't visit here everyday so I'm late to the party.

 

I have no opinion on the next question. I think Hagoromo, Kaguya, that kittening tree, should've been avoided alltogether. It should've ended with Madara. But Kishi didn't know how to end him, so instead of doing so he covered him up with more characters that he didn't know how to end either. :roll:

its also funny because they planned on sealing him anyway didn't they XD



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Posted 17 June 2016 - 08:42 PM

its also funny because they planned on sealing him anyway didn't they XD


I've been saying for two years now that they should've just had Madara sealed in Chapter 680 or something - which would be an Ironic End for him considering his World Ending plan - and had Naruto vs. Sasuke go for 13-15 chapters and have 5 to wrap up all loose ends.

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 08:44 PM

I don't recall them ever planning to seal Madara until Kaguya shows up and apparently they have that power.

Edit: Ah I see it now. So ambiguous.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 17 June 2016 - 08:50 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2016 - 11:01 PM

As for my answer to recent statement, most definitely agree. Can anyone explain why is it that only Indra and Ashura can be reincarnated? How the hell they became that exclusive?

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 11:09 PM

As for my answer to recent statement, most definitely agree. Can anyone explain why is it that only Indra and Ashura can be reincarnated? How the hell they became that exclusive?

You're searching for logic and reason where there is none.


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Posted 17 June 2016 - 11:16 PM

As for my answer to recent statement, most definitely agree. Can anyone explain why is it that only Indra and Ashura can be reincarnated? How the hell they became that exclusive?

Parallel.
The same reason why NS is the parallel of romantic pairing for every romantic pairing.

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 11:21 PM

Parallel.
The same reason why NS is the parallel of romantic pairing for every romantic pairing.

But none of the parallels are real reincarnations. There is no science or logic behind the reincarnations and they are not necessary to make a parallel.

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 11:26 PM

But none of the parallels are real reincarnations. There is no science or logic behind the reincarnations and they are not necessary to make a parallel.

I think reincarnation is not scientific, it's more plot device or theme.

Naruto and sasuke are the parallel, therefore ashura and indra are their parallel. The reincarnation is kishi way to canonize parallel.

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 11:55 PM

I don't recall them ever planning to seal Madara until Kaguya shows up and apparently they have that power.

Edit: Ah I see it now. So ambiguous.

IIRC, they actually did manage to do the seals, but he was just too OP for it, lol.


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Posted 18 June 2016 - 12:01 AM

Yeah, because limbo was so op. I don't even know how he knows how to work.

I call BS on reincarnations. Why not just do it with Hagoromo and Hamura. It's random.

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 12:15 AM

Yeah, because limbo was so op. I don't even know how he knows how to work.

I call BS on reincarnations. Why not just do it with Hagoromo and Hamura. It's random.

Hamura himself is bs you know.
Most said that the reincarnation only prove that neji is always right.

I don't mind something like that as long as the author know what will he do with that. Kishi just take it straight from the matrix.

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 02:17 AM

I don't mind either but not only it happened so late, it happened when it was way too convenient to make the good guys get the upper hand.

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 12:32 PM

Yeah, because limbo was so op. I don't even know how he knows how to work.

I call BS on reincarnations. Why not just do it with Hagoromo and Hamura. It's random.

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 12:37 PM

invisible shadow clones

It was like the origin of shadow clones. Again, no one got any weakness on it so why bring out Kaguya...




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