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#661 MoonDrop04

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 11:58 PM

Guess I have a question, because of that event last week with the last chapter, isnt the release for the stuff we see now shifted like no longer on Wednesday?


This is just my thought on it but since all the other popular manga are still coming out late I'm gonna take a guess that the next chapter will come out Thursday morning (around 8 am) like last week. I don't know if it will be like this from now on or not but I'm just gonna feel like it is just on case if it does so I don't get my hopes up early Wednesday morning ya know lol X)

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 12:23 AM

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So true.

 

Lol.It's predictable. :chuckle:

 

Isn't that sad? Hinata is so superficial that without using "Loves Naruto", we could barely describe her.  :down:


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 12:24 AM

It will release on Thursday or Friday.

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I think that because of part 3.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 12:27 AM

It will release on Thursday or Friday.

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I think that because of part 3.

How do you know?


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 02:16 AM

How to cover the next chapters? Bless the flashbacks.


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 04:03 AM

It would already been bad if she was going to be redeemed when you said "there's no real struggle" you're correct, there wasnt neither on physical level or physicological level, she played hide and seek with Naruto and was OP due to her powerups, but she didnt do any of that in fact on her feats alone she was weaker than Madara, Naruto hold his ground against her with only half of the power of SO6P, her character powerups demanded an epic fight that they would win in the end wiht a great strategy, but no she was nerfed in the end, wasnt able to teleport because of "amateratsu" lol, didnt used her truth seeking ball on Sakura neither on naruto, could not distinguish between the real Naruto and his kagebushins, despite being able to sense the bijuu's chakra within Naruto.
Kishimoto trolled this villain, it felt like he was tired and wanted to end this fast.
To summarize up, a horsekitten ending for a horsekitten arc.

War Arc - 2/10. worst arc on Naruto ever.

Never said she had to be redeemed. Should could have been evil from the very start for all we know, but we just don't know. The problem is she is just not a fleshed out character. What kind of person was she before she ate the fruit and did it change her into something or was she always the same just with power now. It's like the one ring to rule them all in Lord of the Rings. Whoever possess it becomes corrupted except for owner itself. She could have been a women who desired power and who was her lover? Did the two brothers have a father? Who was he?There is so much more to Kaguya that has yet to be answered that could have made this fight more..fleshed out.

As for her powers...well, there is an argument I can make to explain it. Ninjutsu, or Ninshuu, was invented by the Hagoromo after Kaguya was defeated. She didn't invent any techniques really. How could she know or do techniques that weren't invented yet? That's like asking why didn't the Romans have Helicopters and Machine Guns, but they still had weapons and raw power. She maybe had a third eye Rinnegan, but her Rinnegan was not like Hagoromo' or Madara's. (I said the same of Sasuke's Rinnegan.) She did have access to all elements and was a master of being able to use and summon them, but I doubt she could of actually formed anything like Naruto could or even Madara.

A lot of techniques were invented long after she was sealed so how could she know? Black Zetsu is quite possibly the only one with that kind of knowledge, but I don't think he could psychically connect with her.

Although, there are some things are of no excuse like not using portal to shoot acid or something at them. She basically just hoped dimensions so it is not all completely excusable, but I think for the most part how could she use that which was not even invented in long after her time?


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:07 AM

Okay, so I want to type here what I had figured out about what I believe is why people dislike the way kaguya ended or should I correctly say why the entire fight was underwhelming from the start. Me and 4life had a long discussion about this last night and I think I truly understand is. The ending to this fight is not the problem.

There was no real struggle.

Now when we say struggle usually the struggle in one of three things: Man vs Man (Or person vs person if you prefer that way), Man vs Self (An inner struggle of one's own morals), or Man vs Nature (or the natural elements like animals and such.) With the Kaguya fight, it was man vs man and there was a struggle of this kind, but in most other Naruto fights the fights are more complicated. Usually the best fights are not just man vs man or a power struggle, but also a person fights themselves and their morals too. Look at the Obito fight where it was not just a struggle of power and control, but also of one's own beliefs. Even the Madara fight has someone more than just a power struggle.

The Kaguya fight, however, didn't have any of that because we didn't know what Kaguya's moral or thought process was. She behaved more like a power hungry dictator trying to take over the world. (M. Bison: OF COURSE!!) In the world of Naruto, considering how complicated people's motives are, that is pretty shallow and underwhelming. We also really didn't know anything about Kaguya and her personality by nature. We don't know why she cried over her two kids. We don't know any of the story at all about her. We don't know how hard it has been for this woman and the entire history isn't fleshed out enough. Perhaps if we got more of actual events instead of just Black Zetsu giving the cheap cliff notes, maybe we could have had a better connection with Kaguya and the fight would have been more intense. She was kind of flat. Did she love her kids and felt betrayed? Was she a loving mother that just got corrupted by power and a part of her actually regrets this? We don't know. How interesting it would have been if a part of her wanted to be defeated because she felt her true self died a long time ago?

I thought it was because the fight didn't have enough flair as many have said that the most powerful person in the world didn't use all that much power. (I joked here and said you all wanted the Micheal Bay version with explosions and such because despite how many hate Micheal Bay films with no plot, the action scenes are quite entertaining.)

We saw the god complex side of her, but there was no human side to bring her down to earth. What happens when you give a regular human god-like powers. You didn't have to save her life and keep her alive at a the end. You just needed to show the human side of her to show how her power corrupted her and she gained a god-complex. Some might agree with this...some might not, but I believe this is one way the fight could have been better. I truly believe the ending was not the problem. In fact, I love the ending and believe that ending was actually a very good way to defeat her especially with the entire Team 7 in collaboration. Yeah, it needed Naruto and Sasuke to seal her, but in a way even if Sakura was not part of the sealing process, she was still needed to provide the trinity force to truly get Kaguya.

 

Funny, I forgot it wasn't on the podcast. But you know, I figured out more about it. I guess it finally occurred to me in the morning. It's probably best to explain in voice chat because it's the only way to explain. Perhaps one day I will explain why but, as I said many times, I should wait.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:30 AM

We can all agree on the fact that Naruto will only be beaten by Sakura, period. (F that part 1 Naruto versus Sakuke it was biased.)

 

I'll still hold onto my theory that Hagoromo is not on their side at all.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:32 AM

How do you know?

Well, didn't the Japanese anti piracy law already activate?
So the raw would come when the magazine is out.
Just like old day, I think.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:18 AM

Order and peace sounds good. :P where would he take them back to though? The after life?

 

Maybe he will want to take them back in him.


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 12:16 PM

Funny, I forgot it wasn't on the podcast. But you know, I figured out more about it. I guess it finally occurred to me in the morning. It's probably best to explain in voice chat because it's the only way to explain. Perhaps one day I will explain why but, as I said many times, I should wait.

We can do an N-Blog about it if you think that will work.


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 01:54 PM

We can do an N-Blog about it if you think that will work.

Well, sounds like an idea but I'll see. Plus, next chapter is near, so I'll see.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 05:37 PM

Never said she had to be redeemed. Should could have been evil from the very start for all we know, but we just don't know. The problem is she is just not a fleshed out character. What kind of person was she before she ate the fruit and did it change her into something or was she always the same just with power now. It's like the one ring to rule them all in Lord of the Rings. Whoever possess it becomes corrupted except for owner itself. She could have been a women who desired power and who was her lover? Did the two brothers have a father? Who was he?There is so much more to Kaguya that has yet to be answered that could have made this fight more..fleshed out.

That was one of the causes but what i said is a combination of both, she's not well developed character like you said but her power is also lacking, how can be the god of all shinobi be so weak like that?
Her performnce was completely underwhelming, if you compare with the previous villain it's makes no sense.
Madara was well developed at some extent but he was strong and showed that by making showing he was superior to Naruto and Sasuke.
Kaguya showed any of that, she limited herself to summon dimension and use spikes.
 

She didn't invent any techniques really. How could she know or do techniques that weren't invented yet? That's like asking why didn't the Romans have Helicopters and Machine Guns, but they still had weapons and raw power. She maybe had a third eye Rinnegan, but her Rinnegan was not like Hagoromo' or Madara's. (I said the same of Sasuke's Rinnegan.) She did have access to all elements and was a master of being able to use and summon them, but I doubt she could of actually formed anything like Naruto could or even Madara.

It's a good argument but it dies as soon she uses techniques like teleportation and even before when her and Naruto uses the same attack (punch).
He did say he invented "ninshuu" but it also can be interpreted that he passed down the chakra to the peasants, since when they fought Kaguya was only after her sons because they had her "chakra".
 

A lot of techniques were invented long after she was sealed so how could she know? Black Zetsu is quite possibly the only one with that kind of knowledge, but I don't think he could psychically connect with her.

Although, there are some things are of no excuse like not using portal to shoot acid or something at them. She basically just hoped dimensions so it is not all completely excusable, but I think for the most part how could she use that which was not even invented in long after her time?

They did but the essence is still there, it's all chakra, she has the rinnegan on her forehead it should allowed her to use it techniques, on which she did when she absorbed Naruto's jutsu.
We can use examples like Nagato using rinnegan techniques despite not knowing about them and it's never shown he actually receiving training on how to use them.
The same for Naruto, he received the chakra of the SO6P and in a matter of seconds was found using the truth seeking ball like a master and even manipulating it.
The same for Kakashi and his senjutsu chidori without even knowing a thing about senjutsu beforehand i wont point out the requisite to use senjutsu which is to have stamine and Kakashi is not well know for that.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 08:20 PM

I'm really curious for the next chapter. Anything could happen right now.


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:00 PM

That was one of the causes but what i said is a combination of both, she's not well developed character like you said but her power is also lacking, how can be the god of all shinobi be so weak like that?
Her performnce was completely underwhelming, if you compare with the previous villain it's makes no sense.
Madara was well developed at some extent but he was strong and showed that by making showing he was superior to Naruto and Sasuke.
Kaguya showed any of that, she limited herself to summon dimension and use spikes.

Then you are going to have to look at every villain showdown that ever occurred with most being extremely underwhelming. Did you think the Hidan fight was a good one even though he basically only used one technique? How about kakuzu who basically did nothing more than summon elements using his hearts? Zabuza used more techniques than even some of the Akatsuki members.

Actually we can go even further and I could argue that for a good portion of this manga Naruto didn't even use a lot of techniques either depite going through so much. Even his "God powers" were basically underwhelming with once again doing nothing more than Rasengan varients. Considering what could or have been down with his new powers, he limited it to just make elemental Rasengan's.  Most of his other techniques was just speed and power boosts for the majority of the manga, Sasuke's abilities are nothing short of underwhelming and the Naruto vs Sasuke fight is going to be boring as hell. I'd say a good 90% of the fights were completely underwhelmed in terms of how many techniques used. Even the Pein fight has Naruto only use two techniques through out the whole fight.

If I compare her fight with previous villain fights throughout the manga...her fight was actually far more impressive and destructive on a whole. We can even count all the Ten-Tails battles too as her because technically she is the Ten-Tails and we saw the destructive power that possessed. Compared to Madara though she didn't even have the same eyes and didn't even posses the same Rinnegan.

Also, just because you are praised as a god, doesn't mean you are a god.

 

It's a good argument but it dies as soon she uses techniques like teleportation and even before when her and Naruto uses the same attack (punch).
He did say he invented "ninshuu" but it also can be interpreted that he passed down the chakra to the peasants, since when they fought Kaguya was only after her sons because they had her "chakra".

We have to be careful when we say "teleportation" because you have to ask "what kind?" With Naruto, there are two types. There is dimension hopping and then there is instantaneous. Kaguya's was dimension hopping sort of like Obito's. So no doubt if she can transport herself and other instantly using portals...then she can also refine it to make smaller dimensional portals and use them, but I don't think she can use Tobirama's and Minato's version of said techniques.

You also have to ask "what techniques could she know, but are not useful in battle?" Could she bring people back from the dead? Probably, but what use would that be? Naruto had or still has maybe the ability to use Yang abilities and possible form Yang weapons, but he never does during the Kaguya fight. Kaguya demonstrated a lot of Yin and Yang release styles of both healing. Another argument that can also be said that Naruto can actually negate Ninjutsu techniques which is why she didn't use anything of the sort as they would be completely ineffective. His Truth-Seeking balls you speak of actually negate them. Which would mean that she is smarter than we take her for.

She was basically fighting two people who had abilities similar to hers and so basically her options were rather limited in terms of what can be used effectively against them. Even Naruto's elemental rasengans didn't phase her. Not really. So why use a technique you know is not going to work other than maybe for a distraction?


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:30 PM

Man, I have a lot of predictions to say, as well as well, I guess what I was going through, but it could be all for naught if the next chapter went completely different direction than what I think, so...I guess I'll wait. Today, I shall relax as it is Labor Day. I need it.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 11:50 PM

Man, I have a lot of predictions to say, as well as well, I guess what I was going through, but it could be all for naught if the next chapter went completely different direction than what I think, so...I guess I'll wait. Today, I shall relax as it is Labor Day. I need it.

The real question is if Kishimoto-sensei is going to seriously continue with the story post-winter or if he plans on using up these remaining chapters to make the NvS fight and end the story with the movie.


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:51 AM

Kishi can end the manga by chapter 700. Ten chapters for the Naru/Sasu fight and probably to make NS canon. The movie can be a long epilogue so it won't matter how he ends the manga.


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 01:11 AM

Kishi can end the manga by chapter 700. Ten chapters for the Naru/Sasu fight and probably to make NS canon. The movie can be a long epilogue so it won't matter how he ends the manga.

No, ten chapter is not enough to make narusasu fight happen.
If he truly intend to end this manga on 700 chapter, he will skip the fight.

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 02:34 AM

Yeah, we won't have a NaruSasu fight in the next 10 chapters because he needs a few to clean up the war, discuss the state of the alliance, deal with Madara, the EdoKages' goodbyes, etc. Not to mention we don't know if there's going to be a trick shot of Kaguya not really being sealed or what, we don't know anything about the state of the people in IT except that they might be white zetsus, etc. Depending on the route Kishi decides to take, he'll probably be able tie up all of his loose ends in the next ten chapters and then spend another few (maybe the next ten?) doing the NaruSasu fight. 

If they actually fight at all...

Hopefully he finds time to make NS canon  :chuckle:


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