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[Gojira]

450 has already shown us that she supports NS anyway so having her "get over Naruto" won't really make a difference.

[luffyq1]

450 has already shown us that she supports NS anyway so having her "get over Naruto" won't really make a difference.

Because she stood there and smiled? I took it as a sign of relief more than anything else you wanna draw from that scene. I thought we were under the consensus that Hinata was more of the selfish type. 

[Gojira]

Because she stood there and smiled? I took it as a sign of relief more than anything else you wanna draw from that scene. I thought we were under the consensus that Hinata was more of the selfish type.

Except we already saw a panel of her being relieved before the hug. I don't even think Hinata has the guts to be selfish.

[luffyq1]

Except we already saw a panel of her being relieved before the hug. I don't even think Hinata has the guts to be selfish.

But all she thinks about is herself and what she wants, intentional or not.

[Gojira]

But all she thinks about is herself and what she wants, intentional or not.

That doesn't make her selfish. Actually if its anything that we learned from the Bizarro world in RTN its that Hinata is the opposite of what she was in the movie (threatening, condescending, selfish)

[luffyq1]

That doesn't make her selfish. Actually if its anything that we learned from the Bizarro world in RTN its that Hinata is the opposite of what she was in the movie (threatening, condescending, selfish)

It does. We never get any thoughts about what Naruto may want or any of his personal problems. And as nice as it is that Kishi made RTN, I wouldn't reference it because it's outside the manga. I haven't even watched it and don't plan to.

[Gojira]

It does. We never get any thoughts about what Naruto may want or any of his personal problems. And as nice as it is that Kishi made RTN, I wouldn't reference it because it's outside the manga. I haven't even watched it and don't plan to.

There's no reason not to use it, unless for things like continuity (like how Sakura knew who Minato and Kushina were and that they were Naruto's parents in the movie)

He wrote the lines and designs of the characters so it makes it pretty clear where he stands on what their personalities are (or atleast what the opposite of their personalities are)

[NaruSakuishere]

I'm I the only one who doesn't like the ideal of an NaruHina dream? I think all it would do is make hinata desire naruto even more.

[KnS]

I mean, it's Madara's dream that will be cast IMO.

I don't think we will have something like RtN at all.

 

I agree.  Even according to Narutopedia (although not an impeachable resource) it is Madara's dream that the ku-ku-cocooned world will experience, not their own:

 

While physically tethered and connected to the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path, Madara can manipulate the otherwise blank and white world to create anything he wants, no matter how detailed. By doing this he can create a world exactly as he wants.

 

To trap every living being in this genjutsu, however, the Shinju's eye must be reflected off of the moon's surface. In order to do this, with the exception of Kaguya who ate the Shinju's Chakra Fruit, one must first become its jinchūriki. The genjutsu can be cast using the eye that blooms at the top of the Shinju's original form or the third eye which opens on the jinchūriki's forehead when they approach the moon while having the power of the Rinnegan.

 

I also agree that we won't see anything like RtN. 

 

That doesn't make her selfish. Actually if its anything that we learned from the Bizarro world in RTN its that Hinata is the opposite of what she was in the movie (threatening, condescending, selfish)

 

But she is selfish -- or if it sounds better, self-involved.  Hinata even said so herself.

[Gojira]

I'm I the only one who doesn't like the ideal of an NaruHina dream? I think all it would do is make hinata desire naruto even more.

I don't think Kishi even wants to do a NH dream besides it wouldn't make much sense to sideline the series climax for a side character's fantasies. That's pierrot's job.

But she is selfish -- or if it sounds better, self-involved. Hinata even said so herself.

I think the situation in which she said that is different. Losing Naruto to Akatsuki seemed to affect her a lot more negatively than losing him to Sakura.

Edited by Pepsi, 24 May 2014 - 01:47 AM.

[luffyq1]

There's no reason not to use it, unless for things like continuity (like how Sakura knew who Minato and Kushina were and that they were Naruto's parents in the movie)

He wrote the lines and designs of the characters so it makes it pretty clear where he stands on what their personalities are (or atleast what the opposite of their personalities are)

The movie has no direct effect toward the canon material, just parts of it derived from it. The movie is just a alternate reality, a parody would be a better description.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know what would be cool but obviously won't happen and too late at this rate: everyone actually likes the genjutsu world.

On the other hand, Kishi could make a movie in the future where one terrorist wants to bring the plan back and we don't know who. All we know is that the guy was once in it and loved it. Now, he wants it back. Who is this terrorist? Well, find out in the theater, whenever soon.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 24 May 2014 - 02:08 AM.

[Gojira]

The movie has no direct effect toward the canon material, just parts of it derived from it. The movie is just a alternate reality, a parody would be a better description.

I'm not saying it does, but when something is directly made by Kishi then the intentions of his characters which he was going for most certainly are canon.

[luffyq1]

I'm not saying it does, but when something is directly made by Kishi then the intentions of his characters which he was going for most certainly are canon.

If you're going to use it as some form of evidence then you might as well take it as canon. The characters personalities are portrayed accurately, doesn't mean the story itself should be viewed as canon material, which you're alluding to.

[咲耶姫]

I don't think Kishi even wants to do a NH dream besides it wouldn't make much sense to sideline the series climax for a side character's fantasies. That's pierrot's job.

Damn, I had not even thought about it, I was  sure we would not see this stupid dreamworld in the manga, but now that you say it, there is no escape. We will have the most boring arc ever in the anime. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Indeed. Oh well, it satisfies whoever ego.

[JILLNYN]

 

Damn, I had not even thought about it, I was  sure we would not see this stupid dreamworld in the manga, but now that you say it, there is no escape. We will have the most boring arc ever in the anime. 

 

will be like a nightmare worthy of a fairy tail of disney, as a genjutsu which I desperately wanted to escape xD

 

¡please not! I promise be good

[Gojira]

If you're going to use it as some form of evidence then you might as well take it as canon. The characters personalities are portrayed accurately, doesn't mean the story itself should be viewed as canon material, which you're alluding to.

I'm not.

What I'm saying is this

Is the movie canon? No.

Is the interpretations of the characters canon? Yes. because Kishi wrote their lines and personalities so how they act in the movie is 100% legit and not OOC (except for that 1 line about Sakura wishing Sasuke was there instead of Naruto....that was just a terrible thing to say I was actually hoping for an apology after that)

[luffyq1]

I'm not.

What I'm saying is this

Is the movie canon? No.

Is the interpretations of the characters canon? Yes. because Kishi wrote their lines and personalities so how they act in the movie is 100% legit and not OOC (except for that 1 line about Sakura wishing Sasuke was there instead of Naruto....that was just a terrible thing to say I was actually hoping for an apology after that)

But you did, though. You brought it up to make the point that Hinata isn't selfish. You can't use Hinata's RTN personality to make a point when it's just for comedic purposes. SS fans did the same thing prior to the movie release. Sasuke must care about Sakura in the canon material since he just saw her as another girl in RTN. I'm sure you see how ridiculous that is.

[narusaku256]

Because Sakura is the observer of T7  the rational one the who see the things as they are and analyze them , Naruto also know that Sasuke is still not with them we have panels of him showing this but he's silent because he knows they need Sasuke for this .

 

Like i said many times you have to take 675 along with 676 together so you can be able to see the whole picture clearly and for what it really is . In 675 we have Kakashi after his flashback says to Sasuke that even if he doesn't want to tell them his current dream it doesn't change the fact that they were once upon a time T7 , then as Kakashi says this we see Naruto's and Sakura's hopeful faces desperately waiting for Sasuke's answer for him to acknowledge them as T7 but Sasuke doesn't do that he remains silent with the ending scene of Kakashi telling them if they remember what's the key element TEAMWORK then we move to 676 . Now in 676 we have Sakura thinking of T7 and getting ready for teamwork unleashing her seal so she can fight with them but that all ends bad with Sasuke not giving a damn about teamwork and is only focused on Madara . So it was basically Sasuke still not acknowledging them as T7. 

 

The focus of this scenes was T7 and TEAMWORK not Romance this is why @4life says wait and see and i agree with him on this patience is the key .

This was a good argument. Btw, not dismissing one of the points you mentioned, just putting my view on that.

 

When Kakashi asked Sasuke about his current dreams and how did he view T7, Naruto's reaction somewhat convinced me that he already knew what was Sasuke's dream and what T7 meant for him. His facial expressions and that '!' suggested that he knew about Sasuke's goals. It seemed like "Oh kitten! Sasuke's in a fix now. He has to tell his goals which are....evil". This goes along the fact that Naruto is always protective of Sasuke however bad he is.