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[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I can't see it being a unified dream, that would mean there would need to be a system in place that would bend the individuals memories to conform to the standard world the Gejutsu wants to create, because everyone had different needs and wants, some one will want world peace and harmony where some people just want to watch the world burn. For one person the world would be a better place without specimen A in it, for someone else the world not be worst place without that person living in it.
 
For the Genjutsu to be one shared giant dream it would need to meet the needs of everyone to keep them all happy and not look at ways to escape, I don't see that happenning, not until they are all linked to that giiant tree. You know it's really hard to come up with a argument without thinking about Matrix, because it actually makes sense you can't give the person their ideal world because the human mind will eventually rebel against a perfect eutopia, we need the faults to help our mind grow and live our daily lives.
 
So I cant see everyone being in the same world, for one thing they'd all wake up notice they were in a dream world, unite and somehow collectively escape. What I expect is Naruto only being shown, he starts to drift into this perfect world, but the subconcience of the nine tailed beasts will manage to reach him and remind him of his actual dream, and once Naruto is awake he'll manage to wake everyone else up by connecting with them using Kurama's Chakra and disrupting their chakra flow to wake them up.

Well, the odd thing is that Hagoromo pretty made it clear that once the plan goes through, it's all over. However, I do wonder if it was done before and if so, how did the people escaped? I mean why not be like "You still have one more shot but please take him down." In fact, it does seem like it's more than just a genjutsu. It's basically like the matrix. It's confusing but I guess we really have to wait and see if we even get to see it. For all we know, Madara could pull Frieza's "damn. I miss. Oh well, five minutes" moment. At this rate, we just have to wait. I mean perhaps the plan do go through. I don't think the escape would be that easy or even possible. Ah, not sure what to think.

[narusaku256]

I wonder what Jiraiya's dream world would be like XD. Seeing the kind of pervert he his.....one can definately imagine what it will be like XD.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Another thing is even they escape, unless Madara doesn't know, that fruit will come back and Ta-da! Kaguya 2.0! Lastly, the tree takes all chakra and keep them alive from the root (literally). I guess I'll wait and see. Based on cliffhanger, it's up to Sasuke now.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Well, the odd thing is that Hagoromo pretty made it clear that once the plan goes through, it's all over. However, I do wonder if it was done before and if so, how did the people escaped? I mean why not be like "You still have one more shot but please take him down." In fact, it does seem like it's more than just a genjutsu. It's basically like the matrix. It's confusing but I guess we really have to wait and see if we even get to see it. For all we know, Madara could pull Frieza's "damn. I miss. Oh well, five minutes" moment. At this rate, we just have to wait. I mean perhaps the plan do go through. I don't think the escape would be that easy or even possible. Ah, not sure what to think.

 

I'm sure that it's game over, but it's game over when every single Alliance member is caught by the Shinju and put to dreamland.  It's the same as always, "as long as there are those still able to fight, we haven't lost yet."  Question is how many SA will get tangled, and who won't?  Team 7 is probably safe.  We also have to consider Black Zetsu/Obito.  They are obviously around for a reason.  However, if Madara is not coming down, I do wonder how Naruto and the others plan to get to him.  Sasuke can fly with his Susanou now, but Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi have nothing to get into the air with.

[Gojira]

It goes with what Itachi said to Naruto "The reason you father Minato became the 4-th Hokage was because he had the support of you mother Kushina and his comrades" and Minato also said the same thing .

When did Minato say that?

[Chatte]

When did Minato say that?

When they were on the verge of sealing Kurama into Kushina again, by her request and he refused and said they are a family of shinobi yadda yadda yadda, somewhere there he said "You made me the 4th Hokage"

[Gojira]

ah ok. I'm guessing what Sakura was thinking on the way to the battlefield with the other Rookie Nine is likely directly connected to what Itachi and Minato said.

EDIT: Just reread that chapter. Yeah its pretty interesting, if NS does parallel with MK then we might see NS becoming canon even before Naruto becomes hokage.

Edited by Pepsi, 16 May 2014 - 09:22 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I'm sure that it's game over, but it's game over when every single Alliance member is caught by the Shinju and put to dreamland.  It's the same as always, "as long as there are those still able to fight, we haven't lost yet."  Question is how many SA will get tangled, and who won't?  Team 7 is probably safe.  We also have to consider Black Zetsu/Obito.  They are obviously around for a reason.  However, if Madara is not coming down, I do wonder how Naruto and the others plan to get to him.  Sasuke can fly with his Susanou now, but Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi have nothing to get into the air with.

Well right now, we only hope Sasuke (great...) to get to Madara. If not, well, think of something. It's either one plan or let it go. The next chapter is the 9th chapter, so things are going to build up the new direction for the next volume. Don't know if this volume will have more chapters like last one, but I guess we shall wait and see.

ah ok. I'm guessing what Sakura was thinking on the way to the battlefield with the other Rookie Nine is likely directly connected to what Itachi and Minato said.

EDIT: Just reread that chapter. Yeah its pretty interesting, if NS does parallel with MK then we might see NS becoming canon even before Naruto becomes hokage.

The more you learn. Or is it know?

[MoonDrop04]

Lol hey guys here is a what-if scenario for y'all to wrap your heads for awhile!! Let's say somewhere in the month of June one of the chapters during that time shows Sakura being the only one waking up from the internal tsukiyomi and being the only one to stop Madara projecting the his eye on the moon. What would you guys think how the entire fandom would react to this?? Lol

[FreakySandra1995]

Lol hey guys here is a what-if scenario for y'all to wrap your heads for awhile!! Let's say somewhere in the month of June one of the chapters during that time shows Sakura being the only one waking up from the internal tsukiyomi and being the only one to stop Madara projecting the his eye on the moon. What would you guys think how the entire fandom would react to this?? Lol

Well I would thank Kishi for such a nice birthday present :-D

[MoonDrop04]

Well I would thank Kishi for such a nice birthday present :-D

My Sentiments Exactly!!! >XD

[Nostradamus]

Lol hey guys here is a what-if scenario for y'all to wrap your heads for awhile!! Let's say somewhere in the month of June one of the chapters during that time shows Sakura being the only one waking up from the internal tsukiyomi and being the only one to stop Madara projecting the his eye on the moon. What would you guys think how the entire fandom would react to this?? Lol

Simple, with a lot of hate.

Edited by Nostradamus, 16 May 2014 - 01:56 PM.

[redrose3443]

Simple, with a lot of hate.

Even if they do hate, we could still troll them with sakura stuff and watch the madness unfold.

Edited by redrose3443, 16 May 2014 - 02:49 PM.

[NaruSakuishere]

Lol hey guys here is a what-if scenario for y'all to wrap your heads for awhile!! Let's say somewhere in the month of June one of the chapters during that time shows Sakura being the only one waking up from the internal tsukiyomi and being the only one to stop Madara projecting the his eye on the moon. What would you guys think how the entire fandom would react to this?? Lol

 

They would react with a lot of hate, as for me. I'd get some popcorn and enjoy the kitten.

[harry4e]

 

I'm sure that it's game over, but it's game over when every single Alliance member is caught by the Shinju and put to dreamland.  It's the same as always, "as long as there are those still able to fight, we haven't lost yet."  Question is how many SA will get tangled, and who won't?  Team 7 is probably safe.  We also have to consider Black Zetsu/Obito.  They are obviously around for a reason.  However, if Madara is not coming down, I do wonder how Naruto and the others plan to get to him.  Sasuke can fly with his Susanou now, but Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi have nothing to get into the air with.

 

I think everyone will initially be caught, think about it, Itachi's Genjutsu was something we never saw anyone break out of on their own, not even Kakashi, even Kurenai who was a Genjutsu specialist paled in comparison to Itachi's Genjutsu...now this is multiple times more powerful I would hazard a guess so being a Genjutsu master won't help matters, Sasuke might be OK because he has the Rinnigan himself so might be able to counter but he's also the one most likely to fall prey because he has been so easily swayed by words in the past so if he is shown a dream he desires he might grasp it tighter than others. Naruto will fall, he's been shown to be weak against Genjutsu, that's why I think it will be upto the combined concience of the nine beasts to wake him up.

 

This Genjutsu (I'm not calling it by it's name because I can never figure out how to type the name of it) had to be full proof for Madara to put so much planning into it. The only factors he never considered was Naruto and Sasuke, and I feel it has to be Naruto, ecause it has been his biggest flaw to date, he's fallen into Genjutsu traps over and over again, this is the perfect time to show him overcoming the biggest hurdle he has to face. I'm seriously hoping it's not going to be one where Sasuke is the one to get Naruto out of the Genjutsu, it has to be one he does on his own, or one where Kurama helps him get out of it.

 

With Naruto out of the Genjutsu the entire alliance is safe, except Orichimaru, Karin and Kabuto, (and with the amount of experiments Orichi and Kabuto has done on them they are probably safe, infact we might see what Orichimaru has planned when everyone is sleeping) he's shared his Chakra with everyone so that link is still there, the whole purpose of Naruto sharing his chakra was to give him a means to get everyone out of the Genjutsu.

 

As for how Naruto will get to Madara, you forget Seven Tails (Chomie?) has wings, and we saw Fu use the wings when fighting against Naruto, so he has the means to fly.

 

 

Lol hey guys here is a what-if scenario for y'all to wrap your heads for awhile!! Let's say somewhere in the month of June one of the chapters during that time shows Sakura being the only one waking up from the internal tsukiyomi and being the only one to stop Madara projecting the his eye on the moon. What would you guys think how the entire fandom would react to this?? Lol

 

 

Well the fandom would obviously say it's because she has so little chakra that she didn't have to surpress much to get out of it :-p Actually come to think of it because she has her seal released at the moment, she might actually not fall prey to the Genjutsu because the seal is providing her chakra at the moment, it could be classed as an external sourse, it's her own chakra but it is coming from somewhere other than her chakra network.

Edited by harry4e, 16 May 2014 - 03:15 PM.

[MoonDrop04]

Simple, with a lot of hate.

Oh maaaaaaan I can already see it now!! If it does happen I can see most of everyone here coming at me saying "How could you predict such a thing!?!? Now look what happened!!!" Or "Sakura is in trouble!! Take back what you said right now!!!"

And the only thing I can say is.......Whoops lol
Uh oh I'm in trooooooouble!!!!

[redrose3443]

 

I think everyone will initially be caught, think about it, Itachi's Genjutsu was something we never saw anyone break out of on their own, not even Kakashi, even Kurenai who was a Genjutsu specialist paled in comparison to Itachi's Genjutsu...now this is multiple times more powerful I would hazard a guess so being a Genjutsu master won't help matters, Sasuke might be OK because he has the Rinnigan himself so might be able to counter but he's also the one most likely to fall prey because he has been so easily swayed by words in the past so if he is shown a dream he desires he might grasp it tighter than others. Naruto will fall, he's been shown to be weak against Genjutsu, that's why I think it will be upto the combined concience of the nine beasts to wake him up.

 

This Genjutsu (I'm not calling it by it's name because I can never figure out how to type the name of it) had to be full proof for Madara to put so much planning into it. The only factors he never considered was Naruto and Sasuke, and I feel it has to be Naruto, ecause it has been his biggest flaw to date, he's fallen into Genjutsu traps over and over again, this is the perfect time to show him overcoming the biggest hurdle he has to face. I'm seriously hoping it's not going to be one where Sasuke is the one to get Naruto out of the Genjutsu, it has to be one he does on his own, or one where Kurama helps him get out of it.

 

With Naruto out of the Genjutsu the entire alliance is safe, except Orichimaru, Karin and Kabuto, (and with the amount of experiments Orichi and Kabuto has done on them they are probably safe, infact we might see what Orichimaru has planned when everyone is sleeping) he's shared his Chakra with everyone so that link is still there, the whole purpose of Naruto sharing his chakra was to give him a means to get everyone out of the Genjutsu.

 

As for how Naruto will get to Madara, you forget Seven Tails (Chomie?) has wings, and we saw Fu use the wings when fighting against Naruto, so he has the means to fly.

 

 

 

 

Well the fandom would obviously say it's because she has so little chakra that she didn't have to surpress much to get out of it :-p Actually come to think of it because she has her seal released at the moment, she might actually not fall prey to the Genjutsu because the seal is providing her chakra at the moment, it could be classed as an external sourse, it's her own chakra but it is coming from somewhere other than her chakra network.

You see I feel the opposite. I feel that Sakura should be able to do something seeing as Kishi always talked about her genjutsu in part one and brought it up in the beginning of part two. Kakashi said that with her genjutsu, Sakura could make a better kunoichi than Tsunade. Well this is the time for Kishi to do something with that, unless he's going to just discard the whole thing, which would be horrible story telling, he needs to do something with Sakura. He utilized her chakra control, now it's time for her genjutsu. The story ain't over till it is.

Edited by redrose3443, 16 May 2014 - 03:21 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You see I feel the opposite. I feel that Sakura should be able to do something seeing as Kishi always talked about her genjutsu in part one and brought it up in the beginning of part two. kakashi said that with her genjutsu, Sakura could make a beeter kunoichi than Tsunade. Well this is the time for Kishi to do something with that, unless he's going to just discard the whole thing, which would be horrible story telling, he needs to do something with Sakura. He utilized her chakra control, now it's time for her genjutsu. The story ain't over till it is.

Well, she's already better than Tsunade in many regards, but the fact she's a specialist on genjutsu will solidify her as stronger than Tsunade with no excuses

[redrose3443]

Well, she's already better than Tsunade in many regards, but the fact she's a specialist on genjutsu will solidify her as stronger than Tsunade with no excuses

True,but most don't see it that way. From what we've been shown it looks like she's more on par with Tsunade or slightly better. So, I always thought the genjutsu would tip the scales in Sakura's favor, allowing her to completely surpass Tsunade. However, unless were shown thaat before the series ends people will never admit she surpassed Tsunade.

Edited by redrose3443, 16 May 2014 - 03:35 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

True,but most don't see it that way. From what we've been shown it looks like she's more on par with Tsunade or slightly better. So, I always thought the genjutsu would tip the scales in Sakura's favor, allowing her to completely surpass Tsunade.

Yes. That's what I forgot to say. To me, she's already better than Tsunade. Not a lot, but getting more each passing chapters. That said if people aren't convinced, then a genjutsu moment would do it jutsice and nobody can't make excuses. Granted they will, but it will seem a bit sad.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 16 May 2014 - 03:36 PM.