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[Otaru]

 

To be honest, those two comments are actually pretty funny to think about. She likely doesn't have clean hands (unless as a medic she's able to instantly clean them by just thinking about it on a battlefield?) and chances are everyone on the battlefield has horrible breath by now. I saw some people mentioning those things in the comments on Sawyer's review, and they were making me laugh because they are legitimately funny points.

 

Also, speaking of Sawyer's review, he presented a good argument for the possibility of Sakura pulling a Chiyo. I could see the manga going that direction if Kishimoto wanted it to, though I doubt it will.

 

Then again, Kishimoto did kill Neji out of absolutely nowhere, main characters right now are technically dropping like flies, his writing ability has proven to be questionable, and it's fairly clear he hasn't been sure what he wants to do with his manga, so... honestly, anything's possible at this point.

 

I don't really agree with that.

We are talking about a fictionnal story where character can be cut in two halves then just be paste back together.

In Naruto's world Kishi created, we were never been talked about hygiene in medicine.

So why are we discussing it right now ?

I think it's a mistake to compare this manga with the reality we all know.

It's true Kishi kept certain things real until now, but a lot other things are so unreal if we consider our world.

So why bother with clean hands or anything else ?

It's really not considerable IMO.

 

About Neji, it's true his death was forced, i agree with you about that, but I think it's false to say that main characters are falling from everywhere. Ok Naruto and Sasuke are down, but really we know they're no gonna stay dead.

On the contrary, Kishi as always proven us he has difficulties to kill main characters.

To be honest, I'm glad he actually killed some of them, this brings more "true-ness" to the story IMO.

 

 

Ehhh except wasn't Shika's problem a bit different? Like.... he was depleted of chakra...his heart stopping wasn't the problem there.

 

Yes it's true but the way I see it, Shika was going to die. And Sakura could have try to save him by doing what she's doing now for Naruto. But it's true it's different, for Shika, there was no hope left. For Naruto, there is still Minato.

 

So...... I heard Sakura doing M to M to Naruto is a "consolation lot" for "frustrated NaruSaku shippers" LOL
I see... that's why they do believe it seals the fact they will never be together... I see... lol

I think it's a really pitiable argument...

Edited by Otaru, 06 February 2014 - 11:02 PM.

[thiagoSPTN]

 

When did Kishimoto say that there were going to be two deaths? 

 

 

I don't really remember, I saw this in a interview he did a long time ago, dunno if it was real tho.

[KnS]

Sometimes I have to laugh at the stuff that hangs people up.  This chapter seems to have pushed a lot of buttons, namely Sakura performing CPR.  

 

C is for Cardio.  When manual external chest compression failed to restart Naruto's heart, Sakura bravely resorted to cardiac massage.  But for some it was too gross, not realistic, impossible to perform, a lame decision by Kishimoto, etc., etc., etc.  Except... for a medically trained person it's not gross, it's not unrealistic since such a technique is practiced in real world medicine today, and it's obviously not impossible to perform in real life OR in Kishimoto's universe. 

 

Unsanitary?  A lame decision?  Really?  That's the problem?

 

In a story where characters can transplant eyes by themselves (also with dirty hands), a character can be smashed in half and not only survive but be 100% restored by a giant slug, where life can be restored by concentrating physical and spiritual energy into a particular series of hand gestures, and DNA splicing and injection can result in a human face protruding from a (formerly dead) man's chest -- the fact that a medical-nin can turn her fingers into a scalpel and perform cardiac massage is over the line believability-wise?  SMH

 

P is for Pulmonary.  Obviously it's a deep flaw in Sakura's character that she didn't stop to brush her teeth and gargle with mouthwash before she started mouth-to-mouth.  Delivering critical oxygen to Naruto's blood to save his brain from damage or death is nothing compared to the importance of being minty fresh.  /sarcasm

 

R is for Resuscitation.  Right now Naruto is dead.  DEAD.  Does it really matter if Sakura's breath happens to be bad?  What are the odds that Naruto's breath is any better?  Would he even care if Sakura's was terrible?  I mean, forget about the fact that she's trying to save his life; he might want to feel her lips on his enough to suffer her breath regardless.  True love is blind, you know.  It probably can't smell, either.

 

*sigh*

 

I also don't get the continued fixation on a potential threat from SS.  Even if/when Sakura finds out Sasuke has been mortally wounded, that doesn't mean she would rush to him. Being concerned or upset that he's dead or near it is a different motivation than faltering in the face of taking on  the responsibility for killing him herself.  Nevertheless, since she made two attempts to kill Sasuke and was prepared for Naruto to hate her for it, I believe she is well past the "OMG!!!!  Sasuke is near death and I must rush to him!!!" stage.  Especially not with Naruto's life literally in her hands.

 

And Especially not since Sasuke is surrounded by his new team and Orochimaru.  Sasuke chose a different path and chose to surround himself with different people.  Karin is capable of healing Sasuke, and in all likelihood he will be back on his feet before Naruto is back on his feet and returns to the battlefield.

 

IDK.  I just don't get why every time something good or positive -- or just plain cool and exciting -- happens for or between NS, it has to be dragged down with the nonsense comments of haters and the fear of NH and SS.  Can't we just enjoy the moment?

 

It's an overused phrase now, but yeah, haters are going to hate.  If you keep still for a moment and listen, that sound you hear is haters scraping the bottom of the butthurt barrel for things to hate about Sakura -- and Kishimoto if he's going to persist with making her the heroine.

 

Doesn't change the fact that Sakura RULES, that she's the girl Naruto loves, that she's the one at his side, and that right now -- with gritty courage and determination and bare hands -- she's the only one bridging the gap between life and death for Naruto.

Edited by KnS, 07 February 2014 - 12:55 AM.

[kidNinja]

The Naruto fandom is the cancer who helped to destroy the series.
In fact is that it doesnt matter, if she will get hated or not, i think the point is that how Sakura will react if she knows that Sasuke is dying that's the question, i doubt that Kishi will shown because his intention is to hide her feelings to the very end, even the recent two chapters doesnt give the impression she loves Naruto romantically now.
In a way it was less impactfull than Sasuke's death was to Karin, she rushed crying and asspulling Kushina's jutsu on a statue that not even the third was capable of beating it.

I think the author already give the impression he's not writing a good story just by the recent interview that he reassured once again that he's focused on giving a conclusive ending, already shows that he knows that the current arc is not making any sense at all.
We got yet another Sage of Six Paths wandering around which is stronger than Obito who already beat Naruto and Sasuke but was defeated because he gave up.

I dont think he's a good writer either, he's a bad writer and sums this with a fandom like Naruto, part 1 Naruto was a plagiarism of Hunter X Hunter.

I think both, the author who cant write a decent story because is more concerned of giving fanservices and at the same time afraid of it's own fandom to a point that he cant even finish Hinata's character.

Sasuke just killed the story.

 

Out of curiosity, if the fandom is such a cancer and the author is such a bad writer and the story is "dead", then why in the heck are you still here?

[Otaru]

Is the raw out somewhere ? I would like to verify the dialogues...

 

Some fans are really pissing me off.

They're using mangastream translation to say Sakura is not emotional over Naruto...

 

In mangastream version, Sakura say "I'm no going to just allow someone die so easily on my watch" and BAM because of that, because of "someone", Sakura is not emotional...

To me, it don't change much, but I would like to verify the dialogues in the raw...

 

They also saying Sakura is doing "HONK HONK" on Naruto's heart, as if it was a comical scene or else... I bet if it was Hinata, they would never say such a thing !

They say Sakura "is not that badass" and they say "thank you Gaara". LOL

They keep ignoring Sakura's real acts...

 

But when Hinata replaced Naruto's shoulder they do say she was badass and usefull... LOL

Edited by Otaru, 06 February 2014 - 11:48 PM.

[MangaReader]

I've seen some arguments that this isn't a kiss despite CPR's nickname literally being the "Kiss of Life" while other responses being what was Sakura gonna do, breath through his nose? For those who aren't aware, you actually can perform CPR through an unconscious person's nose, so that's something XD

 

http://www.thefreedi...om/kiss of life

[pumyte]

I've seen some arguments that this isn't a kiss despite CPR's nickname literally being the "Kiss of Life" while other responses being what was Sakura gonna do, breath through his nose? For those who aren't aware, you actually can perform CPR through an unconscious person's nose, so that's something XD
 
http://www.thefreedi...om/kiss of life

wow I've never thought it can be mouth to nose too (ﾟﾛﾟ) but I think it's a lot easier too hold nose not letting the air escape than a mouth (・●・)

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Is the raw out somewhere ? I would like to verify the dialogues...

 

Some fans are really pissing me off.

They're using mangastream translation to say Sakura is not emotional over Naruto...

 

In mangastream version, Sakura say "I'm no going to just allow someone die so easily on my watch" and BAM because of that, because of "someone", Sakura is not emotional...

To me, it don't change much, but I would like to verify the dialogues in the raw...

 

They also saying Sakura is doing "HONK HONK" on Naruto's heart, as if it was a comical scene or else... I bet if it was Hinata, they would never say such a thing !

They say Sakura "is not that badass" and they say "thank you Gaara". LOL

They keep ignoring Sakura's real acts...

 

But when Hinata replaced Naruto's shoulder they do say she was badass and usefull... LOL

 

That's why I just ignore what other factions of the fandoms are saying. Denial, bashing and twisting things around to discredit any events that are not to their liking - it's just all so pointless. Sometimes people just get worked up over the silliest things.

[MangaReader]

wow I've never thought it can be mouth to nose too (ﾟﾛﾟ) but I think it's a lot easier too hold nose not letting the air escape than a mouth (・●・)

CPR can be weird... but it's not as hard as you think. All you have to do it prop the head. In Sakura's condition though, mouth was likely easier to access, but not often do you hold a human heart and do CPR at the same time XD

[harry4e]

Yes it's true but the way I see it, Shika was going to die. And Sakura could have try to save him by doing what she's doing now for Naruto. But it's true it's different, for Shika, there was no hope left. For Naruto, there is still Minato.

 

So...... I heard Sakura doing M to M to Naruto is a "consolation lot" for "frustrated NaruSaku shippers" LOL
I see... that's why they do believe it seals the fact they will never be together... I see... lol

I think it's a really pitiable argument...

 

I'm confused with the Shika argument, he was going to die, and Sakura still had Chakra to save him, and we don't know if it was possible for her to save him because Naruto provided the Chakra to save him instead and then Tsunade came and completed the job...the fact that Sakura's first words to Shika were 'Naruto still needs you' itself speaks volume, Not Ino her oldest friend and Shika's teammate but Naruto. Also I don't think doing what she is doing with Naruto would work, Naruto is not dying from Chakra exhaustion, but from having Kurama forcefully removed from him, Shika was dying from Chakra exhaustion caused by the God Tree sucking out the chakra from him. If the argument is that Sakura would have used Chiyo's Jutsu to save him, then they are just delusional, Shika is a friend and important ally but not someone she would give up her life for, at that moment a fully trained medic was more important than a analyst.

 

Also M2M was a consolation? Really? this is all part of something Kishi said a few years ago in an interview, Sakura is the Heroine and she'll start acting like one, and this chapter she is really acting like one. The reason she's not panicked is to show her maturity, where before she'd be frantic and crying and not level headed, she's now at a level that she can think clearly and do the right thing. The Mouth to Mouth is just that, do the NaruHina fans not realise the situation we are under? Naruto is on deaths door, the only thing keeping him alive is Sakura. I guess it must really tick them off that this is a situation that Hinata would be useless for even if she did get to him, she'd be dead weight on the sand cloud slowing them down...If I was NaruHina fan i'd argue that this was a situation where Hinatas skills were not needed and what was needed was a medic and Sakura is that, it's hell of allot better argument than the kiss was a consolation prize.

 

 

No one going to mention that Kishi killed off Bee without a second thought? I'm gonna miss his little rap nonsense. poor bee. There is no second half of the 8 tails to save him.

 

That's because Bee doesn't have a Badarse Medic to keep him alive, infact anyone notice all the top medics seem to be from Konoha? Besides if the Eight Tails is extracted, it's a sad thing to say but Bee would have died instantly, unless he is also a decendent of the Sot6P as well.

 

How come the battlefield is suddenly so spreadout? just moments ago they were all together pulling all the Bijuu out and not Gaara has to travel multiple Kilmometres to get to Minato, seriously what's up with that?

 

I do have to wonder if Orichimaru knows so much about the Uzumaki clan how come he never collected their DNA sample and Kabuto never tried to revive one for the war, I mean he revived Haku who while talented was probably no more than High Chunnin level, so you'd think a dead Uzumaki other than Negato would be in their collection.

[Hanabi]

CPR can be weird... but it's not as hard as you think. All you have to do it prop the head. In Sakura's condition though, mouth was likely easier to access, but not often do you hold a human heart and do CPR at the same time XD

i don't think so, some people breath in the air with oxygen and unwittingly pass carbon dioxide to the patient, and may think they did it correctly. 

 

not talking about sakura, a trained personnel of course, just talking about cpr itself

Edited by Hanabi, 07 February 2014 - 12:18 AM.

[Kakashi-Sensei]

 

 

i'm still waiting for the hinata edits. c'mon nh fans don't disappoint me.

 

 

Here you go my friend

 

[Otaru]

 

I'm confused with the Shika argument, he was going to die, and Sakura still had Chakra to save him, and we don't know if it was possible for her to save him because Naruto provided the Chakra to save him instead and then Tsunade came and completed the job...

 

 

Yes you're right. My bad ^^

[harry4e]

 

In mangastream version, Sakura say "I'm no going to just allow someone die so easily on my watch" and BAM because of that, because of "someone", Sakura is not emotional...

To me, it don't change much, but I would like to verify the dialogues in the raw...

 

Considering how western 'I'm not going to allow someone to die on my watch' is, I'd say MS were probably being a bit liberal with the translations, not exactly anything new. It's something medics and heroes in general say allot on TV and in Movies when someone gets shot or in an accident, and they are trying to keep them alive....which if anything would make their argument less valid considering how it's used in Western Media...hmmm.

 

Besides we just need to go forward a few pages and we see exactly how emotional she really is, the last page infact, 'No Matter the cost, There's no way I will let you die'

[sushi.]

^I don't really like that Hinata was blushing in that edit..

[pumyte]

CPR can be weird... but it's not as hard as you think. All you have to do it prop the head. In Sakura's condition though, mouth was likely easier to access, but not often do you hold a human heart and do CPR at the same time XD

Yeah well that's how probably Kishi imagine's it being more efective to literally massage the heart (゜▽゜)

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Out of curiosity, if the fandom is such a cancer and the author is such a bad writer and the story is "dead", then why in the heck are you still here?

I answered this thousand of times.
 

I don;t agree with what your saying about Kishimoto either.  From the same interview, he says it hasn't hit him that his manga is popular.  That should be proof, that whatever he does isn't influenced by the fans.  He's writing the story he wants to write, not concerned with the popular opinion, and the popular opinion in Japan isn't the same as the popular opinion (or most vocal opinions) in the English-speaking countries.  Whether he's a bad author or not is subjective.  You might say he's a bad one, but I say he's a good one.  The war arc, despite popular opinion, hasn't struck as the worst thing he's ever written.  I don't think it's that bad, as others say it is.

Two or three years ago he was interviewed by a english speaker guy who was behind the Sj alpha english in other words Viz Media so he already knew about Naruto's popularity.
In fact it indeed influenced him and the Sakura's part and Hinata's development are there to prove it.
I think he's a bad writer for couple of reasons and for the fact he prevented himself to go further and started "plot for dummies" Naruto's plot got simplified a lot with the chasing Sasuke issue when there was a lot of good writing plots that he left behind.
In my opinion he's a bad manga because his story is full of missed oportunities and good plots that were discarded in favour of crappy ones "Naruto's desire to save the jinchuurikis and a reasoning on the begining of the shippuuden plus the akatsuki" was discarded in favour of "two Sasuke chases".
Kishimoto ripping off Hunter x Hunter's plot during the entire part 1, Shipppuuden was the arc where he was writing his own plot.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 February 2014 - 12:37 AM.

[六道仙人]

Is the raw out somewhere ? I would like to verify the dialogues...

 

Some fans are really pissing me off.

They're using mangastream translation to say Sakura is not emotional over Naruto...

 

In mangastream version, Sakura say "I'm no going to just allow someone die so easily on my watch" and BAM because of that, because of "someone", Sakura is not emotional...

To me, it don't change much, but I would like to verify the dialogues in the raw...

 

They also saying Sakura is doing "HONK HONK" on Naruto's heart, as if it was a comical scene or else... I bet if it was Hinata, they would never say such a thing !

They say Sakura "is not that badass" and they say "thank you Gaara". LOL

They keep ignoring Sakura's real acts...

 

But when Hinata replaced Naruto's shoulder they do say she was badass and usefull... LOL

 

 

[Kster95]

Does Karin even know she is an uzumaki? like does she know she comes from a long lost clan? Sad she probably grew up a orphan and had bad childhood like Naruto and Nagato. 

[MangaReader]

Does Karin even know she is an uzumaki? like does she know she comes from a long lost clan? Sad she probably grew up a orphan and had bad childhood like Naruto and Nagato. 

The fate of the Uzamaki clan? Kinda strange how each of them have been on deaths door at one point