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[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

I think Naruto has a whole bunch of mixed feelings when it comes to pursuing Sakura, in fact I think one of the main reasons I was OK with the relationship even when I was against NS (and any romance for Sakura because I didn't trust Kishi to allow a female to be in a relationship and still hold her individuality), is because it gave Naruto a really easy to read, straightforward guy layers.  He's willing to put Sakura's feelings, dreams, and goals above his own; that's quite meaningful when considering Naruto is the guy who never gives up, the guy who's totally focused on his goals, the guy who once upon a time only had his goals to hang onto (didn't have people to hang onto).  What Sakura brings out in him, is quite amazing.

 

The thing about his calling her his gilfriend (or really, his "girl" or his "her") is that he wasn't really saying "yes, she's my girlfriend," because that would be inaccurate, he knows that their relationship is unresolved (he never answered her when she asked him).  Rather --and this is just my interpretation-- I felt that he's saying "yeah, she's basically my girl, she's the girl who I see as my girlfriend."  Naruto's really focused, he's really loyal, he'll love Sakura and only Sakura even if she started up a relationship with someone else forever or at least until/unless he confesses and is rejected (a straight up rejection might allow him to move on to some extent).  Sakura is his girl, she's the only person he can envision as his girlfriend (for the time being anyway), at least that's how he saw it (and I'm not saying that through his loyalty he wouldn't have fun with anyone else in manga canon, after traveling with Jiraiya for years --Jiraiya who had the same extreme loyalty to Tsunde but still had his fun-- as per my head canon Naruto isn't as...innocent...as some others might feel haha).

 

 

 

Oh man, I do hopey you're right.  I miss seeing her kick ass.

 

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Sakura used herself to shield Naruto at some point.  Remember, chances are she can at least survive being bisected (what better way to show she has surpassed Tsunade than showing her bisected or worse, but better able to heal herself), so she could survive (while also having Naruto freak out for a bit because he doesn't know that she can survive), and it'll also bring closure to Chiyo's advice to Sakura, to place her life in danger for someone better deserving (than Chiyo herself).

 

Honestly, after the blatant OR-NS parallel recently (the one with Minato's flashback of when he talked Obito, how similar it was to the Naruto-Sai panels), I'd be surprised if NS wasn't used somehow to TnJ Obito.

 

About the bolded, I'm one of those ones that likes to think of Naruto more innocently than that. Maybe I'm old fashioned that way, but when I think about loyalty in love that includes the sexual too. And yeah, Jiriaya loved Tsunade and still 'had his fun', but he's Jiraiya...

To each their own I suppose.

[redragon88]

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Well, it seems Karin still calls Sasuke a kittenhead even when she wants to lick him. That girl is emotional unpredictable.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think Naruto was much more focused on training than anything as shown in rasengan training. Jiraiya wouldn't be like the way he is now if his life was actually good rather than full of regrets. When you find one true love and go together, you'll stick to that person forever and no one else. If have true love but didn't gain that love, or if that love is dead, you'll have your fun (depends). That said Naruto seems like how the filler demonstrated: you look nice and all, but I won't go there because someone got me first (Sakura).

[TouKen4Life3g]

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Well, it seems Karin still calls Sasuke a kittenhead even when she wants to lick him. That girl is emotional unpredictable.

Ok, that's a bit funny. Such a strange character emotion but hey, it's something. I know I know, no one wants to forgive or anything. I'm only expressing my opinion. To each of their own.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

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Well, it seems Karin still calls Sasuke a kittenhead even when she wants to lick him. That girl is emotional unpredictable.

 

That girl.   I have to admit despite my dislike for that scene, that's pretty funny.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I think Naruto was much more focused on training than anything as shown in rasengan training. Jiraiya wouldn't be like the way he is now if his life was actually good rather than full of regrets. When you find one true love and go together, you'll stick to that person forever and no one else. If have true love but didn't gain that love, or if that love is dead, you'll have your fun (depends). That said Naruto seems like how the filler demonstrated: you look nice and all, but I won't go there because someone got me first (Sakura).

 

Pretty much. Yeah, I know things in real life are not so ideal, but this is fiction.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
That girl.   I have to admit despite my dislike for that scene, that's pretty funny.

I think the scene would come out with more forgivable if judging by reactions from fans and not are:

1) if the scene perhaps happen elsewhere, not now.
2) if the stab didn't happen. Still on that. Not me to be honest, but again, to each of their own.

[KnS]

What Sakura brings out in him, is quite amazing.

 

I agree.  In my opinion, Naruto's sincere and selfless love for Sakura is an important element in his status as a true hero, and at the same time designates him as the antithesis of Sasuke.

 

As I have said elsewhere on this board over the last couple of years, the unshakable certainty of Naruto's heart has made it possible for him to be single-minded in his focus.  Who knows how different the story might have been if Sakura had been able to return Naruto's feelings early on.  Would his motivation have suffered?  (I decided to pursue that concept in fan fiction.)

 

The thing about his calling her his gilfriend (or really, his "girl" or his "her") is that he wasn't really saying "yes, she's my girlfriend," because that would be inaccurate, he knows that their relationship is unresolved (he never answered her when she asked him).  Rather --and this is just my interpretation-- I felt that he's saying "yeah, she's basically my girl, she's the girl who I see as my girlfriend." 

 

I like your interpretation a lot, and have no doubt it's true.  The following is the post I made on the subject.

 

 

nath0man, on 30 May 2013 - 1:07 PM, said:

That's why he said  "more or less". Meaning he hasn't got confirmation from Sakura.

 

Hmm.  I see it a little differently.  Consider:

+ Sakura tromps out to the snowy Land of Iron and tells Naruto she loves him in front of Kakashi-sensei, Yamato-taicho, and several of their friends.

+ The look on Naruto's face clearly proves that those are the words he's been waiting to hear from her.

+ Nevertheless, Naruto begins to distrust and question Sakura.  He tells her that joking about something like her feelings for him isn't funny.

+ Naruto tells Sakura very seriously that he hates people who lie to themselves.

+ Sakura responds by getting angry.  She is indignant that Naruto dares to say she doesn't know her own mind or how she feels.  She tells him to quit trying to twist things around, and that if he doesn't like her / love her / want her / feel the same way then he should just say so.

+ Naruto does not deny his feelings for her.  He simply questions again why she would bring it all up at that moment.

+ Sakura leaves, and Sai goes on to give a better explanation of her actions.  He also confirms that Sakura's actions were for Naruto's sake.

The bottom line is, Sakura said she loved Naruto and when she essentially asked him to refuse her if he didn't feel the same way, he didn't.  

So even though both Naruto and Sakura (and the witnesses, for that matter) know it's not that simple, and that the issue of her feelings for Sasuke has not been 100% resolved, and Naruto was not satisfied that she chose him willingly and for the right reasons, that's how it was left -- that they were "more or less" boyfriend and girlfriend because neither denied it.

 

That's why Naruto answered his father the way he did.  He stumbled with the answer because it's basically true -- because of Sakura's confession and Naruto's desire + his lack of refusal -- but it's not clearly resolved.  Kishimoto used Minato to ask the question as a way of letting readers know where Naruto stands.  

 

 

I think Sai's explanation (when Sakura left after her confession) had something to do with Naruto's willingness to accept that Sakura's feelings have changed, or at least that Naruto has a clear shot at getting what he has always wanted.

 

Naruto is selfless about Sakura's feelings, but his love for her -- which includes a natural desire to be with her himself -- has always been in the subtext.  Always.

Edited by KnS, 23 September 2013 - 01:10 AM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I think the scene would come out with more forgivable if judging by reactions from fans and not are:

1) if the scene perhaps happen elsewhere, not now.
2) if the stab didn't happen. Still on that. Not me to be honest, but again, to each of their own.

 

I think part of my dislike is that it feels misplaced. If it happened in another place, at another time, I might be more forgiving toward it. And things she says are also a bit... disturbing, but that seems to be the intention.

[morgaine4]

 

About the bolded, I'm one of those ones that likes to think of Naruto more innocently than that. Maybe I'm old fashioned that way, but when I think about loyalty in love that includes the sexual too. And yeah, Jiriaya loved Tsunade and still 'had his fun', but he's Jiraiya...

To each their own I suppose.

 

I totally respect that, the beauty of headcanons is that we can take a vague thread introduced in canon and interpret it as we like or as we see fit.  Truth be told, my headcanons are ever changing, though I don't quite understand what being "old fashioned" has to do with anything, especially this.  After all, the concept that monogamy includes that a man must be faithful to his female significant other is in general a pretty new concept.  In the West (the US specifically) that only came into play during the '60s.

 

 

 

I agree.  In my opinion, Naruto's sincere and selfless love for Sakura is an important element in his status as a true hero, and at the same time designates him as the antithesis of Sasuke.

 

As I have said elsewhere on this board over the last couple of years, the unshakable certainty of Naruto's heart has made it possible for him to be single-minded in his focus.  Who knows how different the story might have been if Sakura had been able to return Naruto's feelings early on.  Would his motivation have suffered?  (I decided to pursue that concept in fan fiction.)

 

 

And I love that you pursued that notion.  I don't think it was an accident --on Kishimoto or Naruto's part-- that after Sakura's confession in the Land of Iron that Naruto recalled the moments of affection Sakura showed old Sasuke, while ignoring the affection she displayed towards Naruto (and Naruto was in fact aware of some moments).  It also interests me that Naruto interrupted Sakura at least once when she demonstrated her concern for him (after they found out what happens to someone if a Biiju is extracted).

 

Also, the post of yours that you quoted is extremely interesting.  I hadn't thought of it in those terms (though I had noted that Naruto hadn't denied his feelings), hmm...something to think about.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

I think part of my dislike is that it feels misplaced. If it happened in another place, at another time, I might be more forgiving toward it. And things she says are also a bit... disturbing, but that seems to be the intention.

True. Though to be honest, I think we should have known that she is crazy and that's the way she is. Take it serious or not, that's her character. Juvia of Naruto as I call it.

[Psychox]

 

I think Naruto has a whole bunch of mixed feelings when it comes to pursuing Sakura, in fact I think one of the main reasons I was OK with the relationship even when I was against NS (and any romance for Sakura because I didn't trust Kishi to allow a female to be in a relationship and still hold her individuality), is because it gave Naruto a really easy to read, straightforward guy layers.  He's willing to put Sakura's feelings, dreams, and goals above his own; that's quite meaningful when considering Naruto is the guy who never gives up, the guy who's totally focused on his goals, the guy who once upon a time only had his goals to hang onto (didn't have people to hang onto).  What Sakura brings out in him, is quite amazing.

 

The thing about his calling her his gilfriend (or really, his "girl" or his "her") is that he wasn't really saying "yes, she's my girlfriend," because that would be inaccurate, he knows that their relationship is unresolved (he never answered her when she asked him).  Rather --and this is just my interpretation-- I felt that he's saying "yeah, she's basically my girl, she's the girl who I see as my girlfriend."  Naruto's really focused, he's really loyal, he'll love Sakura and only Sakura even if she started up a relationship with someone else forever or at least until/unless he confesses and is rejected (a straight up rejection might allow him to move on to some extent).  Sakura is his girl, she's the only person he can envision as his girlfriend (for the time being anyway), at least that's how he saw it (and I'm not saying that through his loyalty he wouldn't have fun with anyone else in manga canon, after traveling with Jiraiya for years --Jiraiya who had the same extreme loyalty to Tsunde but still had his fun-- as per my head canon Naruto isn't as...innocent...as some others might feel haha).

 

 

 

Oh man, I do hopey you're right.  I miss seeing her kick ass.

 

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Sakura used herself to shield Naruto at some point.  Remember, chances are she can at least survive being bisected (what better way to show she has surpassed Tsunade than showing her bisected or worse, but better able to heal herself), so she could survive (while also having Naruto freak out for a bit because he doesn't know that she can survive), and it'll also bring closure to Chiyo's advice to Sakura, to place her life in danger for someone better deserving (than Chiyo herself).

 

Honestly, after the blatant OR-NS parallel recently (the one with Minato's flashback of when he talked Obito, how similar it was to the Naruto-Sai panels), I'd be surprised if NS wasn't used somehow to TnJ Obito.

 

Bolded#1: Yes, i totally agree, they both bring out what is best in each other,and i think that is the equivalent of a perfect relationship, more less.They aren't perfect ,but they complete each other,maybe that was the entire reason they are called ''Heaven and Earth''?

Bolded#2:Yep,they still have to come to a conclusion,in other words, to talk about it.They haven't got the time and Sakura still has some unfinished ''business'' with what does she feel towards  Sasuke ?Is it still there?Is it the same?What is it that i feel about Naruto?He never stopped seeing her as his girl , what i meant was the he was more open and free to state it in part one , until of course he saw her so depressed/desperate about Sasuke's defection and said ''You really love Sasuke, don't you?'' So, he kind of sucked up all his pain to absorb hers.But on the way he locked the part of showing his emotions freely in front of her as he did before. As for Jiraiya, yeah, he remained loyal just like Naruto will hold his integrity for Sakura if he gets rejected , but we all know J-man sought company ^-^, though he never stop loving Tsunade,even for a second.His heart remained true to her to the very end.

Naruto is a perv, but so is Sakura , so i guess that goes for both of them.

Bolded#3:It can happen that much is possible,but don't forget,Tsunade is a Senju and has Uzumaki blood , they have strong body and a lot of stamina.That's why she survived,Sakura is a normal girl,the seal may save her,but we don't know that yet.It has been foreshadowed by Chiyo,so maybe,just maybe. It would be cool to watch of course, i want to see Sakura digging her nails into the muddy and bloody soil  trying to save/find Naruto or him chasing her to the depths of hell , but that's just me.

[morgaine4]

Naruto is a perv, but so is Sakura , so i guess that goes for both of them.
 

 

They're both sexual beings --unlike Sasuke-- but Sakura hasn't had the chance to wander the world like Naruto has, one things for sure though, when these two get together they'll have kinky sex all over.

 

 

Bolded#3:It can happen that much is possible,but don't forget,Tsunade is a Senju and has Uzumaki blood , they have strong body and a lot of stamina.That's why she survived,Sakura is a normal girl,the seal may save her,but we don't know that yet.It has been foreshadowed by Chiyo,so maybe,just maybe. It would be cool to watch of course, i want to see Sakura digging her nails into the muddy and bloody soil  trying to save/find Naruto or him chasing her to the depths of hell , but that's just me.

 

I remember when first reading Naruto, each time Naruto would say that he'd surpass the Hokage I remember thinking "How will Kishimoto bring them back to show us  that Naruto has surpassed them for sure?" and sure enough, he did.  In the same way, given all the hints that Sakura is to surpass Tsunade, I'd be surprised if Kishimoto didn't give us an obvious example of how she has surpassed her.  You do bring up a good point, and that's something that I hope Kishimoto will address if Sakura is shown to use regenerative jutsu similar to Tsunade, it actually wouldn't be difficult to do.  Tsunade's jutsu speeds up the healing process, Sakura's jutsu could easily involve literally reversing cellular damage as opposed to increasing the rate of body's own healing mechanism, thereby negating the adverse effects, and illustrating that Tsunade has been surpassed.  Or, Kishimoto could say that Sakura did some sort of carnosine therapy (to increase carnosine levels in her body when using regenerative jutsu), resulting in her body now having the ability to mimic Senju and Uzumaki traits.

 

I'd be surprised if Sakura didn't do something seemings self-sacrificial and effective to save Naruto at some point, Chiyo's words foreshadowed it, Sakura been upset that she couldn't do more for Naruto since the Sai-Sasuke arc, Sakura was given way too much focus in response to Hinata's actions during the Pain arc and this arc, Sakura's insistance that they'll do things together (that she's there with him), and her focus during the was being on the notion that she'll do what she can to ease Naruto's burden --the fact that she's resigned to do only little things now, makes it seem  to me that she'll get the chance to do something major.  That doesn't mean it'll happen, I'm not the greatest at this whole predicting game, but I think it's there in the story.  Haha, we'll see.

[Psychox]

 

They're both sexual beings --unlike Sasuke-- but Sakura hasn't had the chance to wander the world like Naruto has, one things for sure though, when these two get together they'll have kinky sex all over.

 

 

 

I remember when first reading Naruto, each time Naruto would say that he'd surpass the Hokage I remember thinking "How will Kishimoto bring them back to show us  that Naruto has surpassed them for sure?" and sure enough, he did.  In the same way, given all the hints that Sakura is to surpass Tsunade, I'd be surprised if Kishimoto didn't give us an obvious example of how she has surpassed her.  You do bring up a good point, and that's something that I hope Kishimoto will address if Sakura is shown to use regenerative jutsu similar to Tsunade, it actually wouldn't be difficult to do.  Tsunade's jutsu speeds up the healing process, Sakura's jutsu could easily involve literally reversing cellular damage as opposed to increasing the rate of body's own healing mechanism, thereby negating the adverse effects, and illustrating that Tsunade has been surpassed.  Or, Kishimoto could say that Sakura did some sort of carnosine therapy (to increase carnosine levels in her body when using regenerative jutsu), resulting in her body now having the ability to mimic Senju and Uzumaki traits.

 

I'd be surprised if Sakura didn't do something seemings self-sacrificial and effective to save Naruto at some point, Chiyo's words foreshadowed it, Sakura been upset that she couldn't do more for Naruto since the Sai-Sasuke arc, Sakura was given way too much focus in response to Hinata's actions during the Pain arc and this arc, Sakura's insistance that they'll do things together (that she's there with him), and her focus during the was being on the notion that she'll do what she can to ease Naruto's burden --the fact that she's resigned to do only little things now, makes it seem  to me that she'll get the chance to do something major.  That doesn't mean it'll happen, I'm not the greatest at this whole predicting game, but I think it's there in the story.  Haha, we'll see.

That's something to think about . Well,yes,we have to wait and see how exactly she will climb a step up above Tsunade, Kishi better not disappoint us !

She wants to do something major for Naruto,yes,her war speech before she and the others arrived told us as much, but wasn't it not  to be measured how big things she does for Naruto, but the size of her feelings for him that mattered? XD! Maybe this time she will show how strongly she feels about him with something of the lines you've mentioned ,but her feelings that are in a flux will be the key , i believe ^-^.

Edited by Psychox, 23 September 2013 - 02:30 PM.

[Codus N]

I remember when first reading Naruto, each time Naruto would say that he'd surpass the Hokage I remember thinking "How will Kishimoto bring them back to show us  that Naruto has surpassed them for sure?" and sure enough, he did.  In the same way, given all the hints that Sakura is to surpass Tsunade, I'd be surprised if Kishimoto didn't give us an obvious example of how she has surpassed her.  You do bring up a good point, and that's something that I hope Kishimoto will address if Sakura is shown to use regenerative jutsu similar to Tsunade, it actually wouldn't be difficult to do.  Tsunade's jutsu speeds up the healing process, Sakura's jutsu could easily involve literally reversing cellular damage as opposed to increasing the rate of body's own healing mechanism, thereby negating the adverse effects, and illustrating that Tsunade has been surpassed.  Or, Kishimoto could say that Sakura did some sort of carnosine therapy (to increase carnosine levels in her body when using regenerative jutsu), resulting in her body now having the ability to mimic Senju and Uzumaki traits.

 

I'd be surprised if Sakura didn't do something seemings self-sacrificial and effective to save Naruto at some point, Chiyo's words foreshadowed it, Sakura been upset that she couldn't do more for Naruto since the Sai-Sasuke arc, Sakura was given way too much focus in response to Hinata's actions during the Pain arc and this arc, Sakura's insistance that they'll do things together (that she's there with him), and her focus during the was being on the notion that she'll do what she can to ease Naruto's burden --the fact that she's resigned to do only little things now, makes it seem  to me that she'll get the chance to do something major.  That doesn't mean it'll happen, I'm not the greatest at this whole predicting game, but I think it's there in the story.  Haha, we'll see.

 

This..... is by far the best theory I have ever seen regarding Sakura's seal. Only question is, if Kishi will follow through.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

I totally respect that, the beauty of headcanons is that we can take a vague thread introduced in canon and interpret it as we like or as we see fit.  Truth be told, my headcanons are ever changing, though I don't quite understand what being "old fashioned" has to do with anything, especially this.  After all, the concept that monogamy includes that a man must be faithful to his female significant other is in general a pretty new concept.  In the West (the US specifically) that only came into play during the '60s.

 

 

 

And I love that you pursued that notion.  I don't think it was an accident --on Kishimoto or Naruto's part-- that after Sakura's confession in the Land of Iron that Naruto recalled the moments of affection Sakura showed old Sasuke, while ignoring the affection she displayed towards Naruto (and Naruto was in fact aware of some moments).  It also interests me that Naruto interrupted Sakura at least once when she demonstrated her concern for him (after they found out what happens to someone if a Biiju is extracted).

 

Also, the post of yours that you quoted is extremely interesting.  I hadn't thought of it in those terms (though I had noted that Naruto hadn't denied his feelings), hmm...something to think about.

 

Yeah, old-fashioned probably wasn't quite the right term I was looking for, perhaps 'conservative' would be more appropriate. It just seems to me that a lot of people seem to not to have an issue with the idea of having multiple partners in their lifetimes, not just men but women too. Not that I'm trying to place any sort of judgment on anyone for their choices, different people have different moral standards and I respect that.

This is probably so off topic now

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, it's getting near for that moment. New volume means a new focus. That said what is theme for the next volume. Last one was mainly on family and now, we got this new one that is hard to predict in a way. So I'm a bit skeptical on the next theme. It should be interesting.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Well, it's getting near for that moment. New volume means a new focus. That said what is theme for the next volume. Last one was mainly on family and now, we got this new one that is hard to predict in a way. So I'm a bit skeptical on the next theme. It should be interesting.

 

Well the theme will probably become clear within the next couple of chapters. The last volume was family and regrets; next, I don't know. I'm kinda reluctant to make a prediction and be wrong, but I thing the next themes could be love and sacrifice.

[Dkey]

Well, it's getting near for that moment. New volume means a new focus. That said what is theme for the next volume. Last one was mainly on family and now, we got this new one that is hard to predict in a way. So I'm a bit skeptical on the next theme. It should be interesting.

even if we dont know th theme we can guess what it will it be about. mainly making sure the tree doesnt bloom.
the other volume was a bit of a drag we waited and waited for the plot to progress but now there arent many things left to be adressed.
of course thee story can drag some more based on a theme but hopefully it will either be about shinobi life or regrets.
we also have shika close to death so if sakura will save him then she has even less time. hopefully things will return to a team 7 focus because apart from a tsunade hashirama reunion and Madara there isnt much left. Sasuke will turn after both his uchiha forebearers will be stopped

[Darkness]

Well, it's getting near for that moment. New volume means a new focus. That said what is theme for the next volume. Last one was mainly on family and now, we got this new one that is hard to predict in a way. So I'm a bit skeptical on the next theme. It should be interesting.

 

Hm, noob question here! When the cover for the next volume is gonna be released? If it hasn't already. I'm completely lost in this subject.

Edited by Darkness, 23 September 2013 - 07:49 PM.