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[ichaichamaster]

what are the biggest holes in narusaku? what does it need to become canon? does kishi support it? discuss

[Quinny52]

@Ichaichamaster - You bring up a good topic to discuss, but it doesn't require a thread all on it's own. A question like this can be taken in the debate thread, and if you look back far enough through the pages, some members were discussing about a similar thing not too long ago.

Can we get a mod to close this thread, or maybe merge it with the debate thread?

[ichaichamaster]

@Ichaichamaster - You bring up a good topic to discuss, but it doesn't require a thread all on it's own. A question like this can be taken in the debate thread, and if you look back far enough through the pages, some members were discussing about a similar thing not too long ago.

Can we get a mod to close this thread, or maybe merge it with the debate thread?

thanks, im kinda of a newbie here

[ichaichamaster]

don't agree at all. if you truly loved the first one why there is a second one? sasuke can die and ns still become canon, if sasuke is redeemed before. now to keep this thread going, what evidences do we have as to who sakura loves?

[redragon88]

don't agree at all. if you truly loved the first one why there is a second one? sasuke can die and ns still become canon, if sasuke is redeemed before. now to keep this thread going, what evidences do we have as to who sakura loves?

Chapter 540 shows that Sakura, at the very least, believes she still loves Sasuke. I'm not saying she truly does but that she believes this is the case. Naruto is extremely special to her and I theorize that in her mind she thinks that if Sasuke didn't exists she would have already given her full heart to Naruto. But the reality is that just like Naruto has unresolved issues with Sasuke so those Sakura and until those issues are resolved no one can move forward.

Even if Sakura realizes that her love for Naruto is different and greater than what she ever felt for Sasuke it would feel to awkward to start a relationship with Naruto the way things are now.

Edited by redragon88, 05 May 2012 - 09:51 PM.

[Anguyen92]

Chapter 540 shows that Sakura, at the very least, believes she still loves Sasuke. I'm not saying she truly does but that she believes this is the case. Naruto is extremely special to her and I theorize that in her mind she thinks that if Sasuke didn't exists she would have already given her full heart to Naruto. But the reality is that just like Naruto has unresolved issues with Sasuke so those Sakura and until those issues are resolved no one can move forward.

Even if Sakura realizes that her love for Naruto is different and greater than what she ever felt for Sasuke it would feel to awkward to start a relationship with Naruto the way things are now.

Then, let's make the potential relationship, be what it can be without making it awkward then. Let's start small then and establish what it could be and what it can not be yet. If they can't be in a intimate relationship yet because of Sasuke, then let's start smaller and go from there.

I'm willing to settle on them being the good friends and having consistent interacts and riffing off one another in terms of their personality, (Honestly, in terms of riffing, these are probably the two characters that best gels with each other in terms of interaction) with the whole trying to stop Sasuke's path of madness, together, not just Naruto fighting Sasuke and Sakura just standing in the background for moral/medical/emotional support.

I guess, basically, all I want out of this is just one huge ass serious (as oppose to the comical ones, she does to Naruto) punch by Sakura to Sasuke, which would really make it for me in terms of her character development, which visually shows her character development to be at the peak.

If what I said above is too confusing, then I guess I'm saying that it does not have to be awkward to start a relationship with Naruto, as they long as they set terms and conditions of what they want and take it slowly.

Edited by Anguyen92, 06 May 2012 - 12:27 AM.

[Ani]

Merging topics.

[Paptala]

what are the biggest holes in narusaku? what does it need to become canon? does kishi support it? discuss

Both Naruto and Sakura have unresolved issues regarding Sasuke that need to be resolved before they can move their relationship further. Also, they need to work on their communication. Neither wants to hurt the other, so they hold back from each other emotionally in order to try and be strong for the other, when in actuality it's just causing more issues and misunderstandings between the two.

That being said, I do think that Kishi supports NS. Why else would he have spent so much panel time building and developing their relationship? After Sasuke and Naruto's relationship, Naruto and Sakura's is the one that has received the most emphasis and development throughout the course of the entire series. If that doesn't show that Kishi supports it, then I don't know what does.

Edited by Paptala, 06 May 2012 - 02:44 AM.

[lord287]

Both Naruto and Sakura have unresolved issues regarding Sasuke that need to be resolved before they can move their relationship further. Also, they need to work on their communication. Neither wants to hurt the other, so they hold back from each other emotionally in order to try and be strong for the other, when in actuality it's just causing more issues and misunderstandings between the two.

That being said, I do think that Kishi supports NS. Why else would he have spent so much panel time building and developing their relationship? After Sasuke and Naruto's relationship, Naruto and Sakura's is the one that has received the most emphasis and development throughout the course of the entire series. If that doesn't show that Kishi supports it, then I don't know what does.

Yes he have spen a lot of time developing their relationship, but we don't know whether he did that development to make narusaku canon near the end or just end up making both of them good friends and help his plot! seeing the manga since chapter 574 I have started doubting NS again! I am pretty confused whether kishi now is going for it or not! earlier shippuden it looked like that but right now it doesn't seem so sure! I think he might have done that development to just troll the fans! as we can see most of the hints from sakura towards naruto were always very very subtle! and when we could have got a strong NS canon panel, he ruined it by making naruto decline her confession and also later on stating through sai and naruto that sakura loves sasuke!

I seriously think he won't do any pairings in end and is just trolling all the pairing shippers! Although I do hope he does one I can't see them happening since everypairing including NS has many loopholes(Ns generally due to sakura ambiguous feelings).

[ichaichamaster]

we really need to see sakura's reaction when she sees naruto fighting tobi and when sasuke sees her

[Heaven on Earth]

Hmm, I never doubt NS. Maybe Kishi has been trolling every fanbase, but I always have my faith on NS. I know about Sakura's ambiguous feelings, but at least it so much better than SS and NH because Naruto never show interest feelings to Hinata, so with Sasuke to Sakura. Then, if somebody thinks about no pair in the end, so why Kishi made so much love story with big parallel to NS like JiraTsu, ObiRin, and MinaKushi?

Sure, Jiraiya has the most tragic ending. But once, he said that Naruto will surpasses everything that he never reach, including his love life story.

Thats why I'm sure, there's some romantic ending story in this manga, even only a little. Come on, it's not Sailor Moon, it's Naruto--it's shounen manga.

Just enjoy the war, for now.

[lord287]

Hmm, I never doubt NS. Maybe Kishi has been trolling every fanbase, but I always have my faith on NS. I know about Sakura's ambiguous feelings, but at least it so much better than SS and NH because Naruto never show interest feelings to Hinata, so with Sasuke to Sakura. Then, if somebody thinks about no pair in the end, so why Kishi made so much love story with big parallel to NS like JiraTsu, ObiRin, and MinaKushi?

They can also be for giving us hopes for narusaku and be trolling!

Thats why I'm sure, there's some romantic ending story in this manga, even only a little. Come on, it's not Sailor Moon, it's Naruto--it's shounen manga.

I agree thier should be some romantic ending but since all pairings have got very complicated including narusaku I don't know how will he pull it off without any question of surprise!
Just enjoy the war, for now.
Well the current manga chapters are also geting boring! I never enjoy sasuke's fight(except for him vs naruto) that much and this time sasuke's fight is becoming hindrance to other 2 huge fights! I hope it gets over soon and i can see naruto vs tobi and 5 kages vs madara!

[redragon88]

They can also be for giving us hopes for narusaku and be trolling!

You actually believe that a writer of Kishimoto's caliber will end up just being a troll? He's not gonna disrespect fans of his who've been loyal for over a decade to his story.

See as how Jiraiya and Obito never manage to win the girl of their dreams it'd be pretty depressing if Naruto (who is an obvious parallel of them) can't do it either. I'd be like telling the fans that if you act like Naruto (positive, loyal, and full of light) you'll never get a girlfriend. The only way to do it is to be like Sasuke (emotionally damaged, disloyal and uncaring).

That's like the crappiest lesson in history.

[Phantom_999]

And yet it happens sometimes. Don't get me wrong I agree with what you're saying but people will at some point choose someone that is not right for them whether it is intentional or not. that's part of life. That said; Naruto has shown no interest in any other girl and Sakura has shown that she thinks the world of Naruto; But she is a smart girl and knows that she shouldn't put him on a pedestal and that there are other major concerns out there. And whatever feelings she has for Sasuke are now mixed and confused rather than intimate and warm like they use to be; those feelings are shown only with Naruto in part II, so I see them happening fir sure. And if not I actually prefer no pairings to play tug of war to what pairings WOULD happen.

Edited by Phantom_999, 06 May 2012 - 04:43 PM.

[ichaichamaster]

i second that, and sasuke, do you think he is a dandere?

[T XD]

i second that, and sasuke, do you think he is a dandere?

yeah he is somewhat a dandere but he is lost in his thoughts about what the village have done to itachi and now how to understand what was itachhi willing to do and meant by the actions he did before

Edited by T XD, 06 May 2012 - 06:34 PM.

[redragon88]

And yet it happens sometimes. Don't get me wrong I agree with what you're saying but people will at some point choose someone that is not right for them whether it is intentional or not. that's part of life. That said; Naruto has shown no interest in any other girl and Sakura has shown that she thinks the world of Naruto; But she is a smart girl and knows that she shouldn't put him on a pedestal and that there are other major concerns out there. And whatever feelings she has for Sasuke are now mixed and confused rather than intimate and warm like they use to be; those feelings are shown only with Naruto in part II, so I see them happening fir sure. And if not I actually prefer no pairings to play tug of war to what pairings WOULD happen.

I know people choose to be with someone who is not right for them, I'm sure everyone understands that real life is about making mistakes and learning from them. But the point of the story here should be that even if that happens it shouldn't compromise who you are and force you to change yourself just to achieve your goal. It sends a pretty bad message for people who admire Naruto's personality and strive to be like him. If Naruto can't manage to get the girl he likes after all that has happened it wold be like telling those readers who want to be positive like Naruto to not bother with it because you'll never manage to achieve anything in love as a price.

The point of the story in Naruto is that with perseverance and not letting go of your believes that one can manage any goal set in their mind. I think one of those goal should be finding love. Sakura shifting her love toward Naruto should be an example of what happens when you never give up, that with hard work a girl can see the best in you and come to love you for it instead of being infatuated to another guy for shallow reasons.

Many girls go for the cool bad boy for their own shallow reasons and stay with them regardless, but there is a group of girls who realize that a relationship like that is based on all the wrong reasons. I'm sure that Sakura is supposed to represent the latter kind of girl. She's supposed to represent the girls that realize that the true foundations of love are different than what they originally thought. Not all girls come to this realization and if she can't change her mind then it's time to move on and find love elsewhere.

If Sakura had remained infatuated with Sasuke and annoyed by Naruto when she grew up then I would've preferred for Naruto to move on, but the fact remains that her personality gave a complete change the more time she spent around Naruto. She came to cherish Naruto more and more as time went on, this show that Sakura was the kind of girl the would change her perspective if you didn't give up on her and that's the kind of girl that is worth pursuing. If Naruto gave up on Sakura now and went with Hinata then he would just be settling and not be truly happy. If Naruto ends with Hinata it send the message that one should just settle with anything you can get instead of pursuing what you want.

Out of all the people involved in the one sided love line (Hinata-Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke) the only one who's shown to potentially change the direction of her feelings is Sakura. Hinata always loves Naruto, and Naruto always loves Sakura, while Sasuke doesn't even care about that stuff so in all honesty anyone else changing their mind by this point would look awkward. Sakura's changing feelings has been a theme for the entirety of the manga so I'm sure Kishi isn't going to start with the rest now that the story is near the end.

The message of Naruto winning Sakura's love isn't that if you don't give up you'll get any girl you like, that rarely happens in real life. The actual message is that if you don't give up on love and also don't compromise who you are as a person then eventually you'll fall in love with a girl that comes to realize the good qualities you possess and will love you for them just as much as you love her.

[Jake]

I agree thier should be some romantic ending but since all pairings have got very complicated including narusaku I don't know how will he pull it off without any question of surprise!
Just enjoy the war, for now.
Well the current manga chapters are also geting boring! I never enjoy sasuke's fight(except for him vs naruto) that much and this time sasuke's fight is becoming hindrance to other 2 huge fights! I hope it gets over soon and i can see naruto vs tobi and 5 kages vs madara!

I know I've said this before somewhere but when the Sasuke & Itachi vs. Kabuto is over so is the 5 Kages vs. Madara because Itachi will have ended Edo Tensei and once Edo Tensei ends Madara disappears, that why I believe that It will swich back to the 5 Kages vs. Madara fight before the Sasuke & Itachi vs. Kabuto ends but I don't see the Naruto vs Tobi fight to start back up until after the other two fights are over.

You actually believe that a writer of Kishimoto's caliber will end up just being a troll? He's not gonna disrespect fans of his who've been loyal for over a decade to his story.

See as how Jiraiya and Obito never manage to win the girl of their dreams it'd be pretty depressing if Naruto (who is an obvious parallel of them) can't do it either. I'd be like telling the fans that if you act like Naruto (positive, loyal, and full of light) you'll never get a girlfriend. The only way to do it is to be like Sasuke (emotionally damaged, disloyal and uncaring).

That's like the crappiest lesson in history.

Naruto ending up like Jiraiya and Obito would be very depressing especially when Minato (who is also a parallel to them) did get the girl of his dreams.

[Phantom_999]

I know people choose to be with someone who is not right for them, I'm sure everyone understands that real life is about making mistakes and learning from them. But the point of the story here should be that even if that happens it shouldn't compromise who you are and force you to change yourself just to achieve your goal. It sends a pretty bad message for people who admire Naruto's personality and strive to be like him. If Naruto can't manage to get the girl he likes after all that has happened it wold be like telling those readers who want to be positive like Naruto to not bother with it because you'll never manage to achieve anything in love as a price.

The point of the story in Naruto is that with perseverance and not letting go of your believes that one can manage any goal set in their mind. I think one of those goal should be finding love. Sakura shifting her love toward Naruto should be an example of what happens when you never give up, that with hard work a girl can see the best in you and come to love you for it instead of being infatuated to another guy for shallow reasons.

Many girls go for the cool bad boy for their own shallow reasons and stay with them regardless, but there is a group of girls who realize that a relationship like that is based on all the wrong reasons. I'm sure that Sakura is supposed to represent the latter kind of girl. She's supposed to represent the girls that realize that the true foundations of love are different than what they originally thought. Not all girls come to this realization and if she can't change her mind then it's time to move on and find love elsewhere.

If Sakura had remained infatuated with Sasuke and annoyed by Naruto when she grew up then I would've preferred for Naruto to move on, but the fact remains that her personality gave a complete change the more time she spent around Naruto. She came to cherish Naruto more and more as time went on, this show that Sakura was the kind of girl the would change her perspective if you didn't give up on her and that's the kind of girl that is worth pursuing. If Naruto gave up on Sakura now and went with Hinata then he would just be settling and not be truly happy. If Naruto ends with Hinata it send the message that one should just settle with anything you can get instead of pursuing what you want.

Out of all the people involved in the one sided love line (Hinata-Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke) the only one who's shown to potentially change the direction of her feelings is Sakura. Hinata always loves Naruto, and Naruto always loves Sakura, while Sasuke doesn't even care about that stuff so in all honesty anyone else changing their mind by this point would look awkward. Sakura's changing feelings has been a theme for the entirety of the manga so I'm sure Kishi isn't going to start with the rest now that the story is near the end.

The message of Naruto winning Sakura's love isn't that if you don't give up you'll get any girl you like, that rarely happens in real life. The actual message is that if you don't give up on love and also don't compromise who you are as a person then eventually you'll fall in love with a girl that comes to realize the good qualities you possess and will love you for them just as much as you love her.

Ah but I did not say that was a pro SS moment did I? I was pointing out that Sakura's former crush on Sasuke reflects some realism to it. Girls and guys do get at least one superficial crush throughout their lives, that's just natural. And I Know FULLY well how much Sakura has changed throughout the manga. But No matter how much she changes Sasuke is an irreplaceable aspect of her life. It's her perspective of him that has changed just like it is from Naruto. She thought that Naruto was only trying to get in the way of her life,and that he wasn't serious when he was flirting with her. But gradually she saw him for who he was; courageous, compassionate and strong willed, which inspired her. And she truly realized how important Naruto was in her life and how much he was there for her when she really needed it and understood her pain and distress, because of his promise to bring Sasuke back. All of these qualities is what she loves about Naruto, whether she knows it or not. So my point is That both Naruto and Sasuke can be important to her. Who she ends up, and becomes romantically involved with is a different story.

Edited by Phantom_999, 06 May 2012 - 07:51 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I know I've said this before somewhere but when the Sasuke & Itachi vs. Kabuto is over so is the 5 Kages vs. Madara because Itachi will have ended Edo Tensei and once Edo Tensei ends Madara disappears, that why I believe that It will swich back to the 5 Kages vs. Madara fight before the Sasuke & Itachi vs. Kabuto ends but I don't see the Naruto vs Tobi fight to start back up until after the other two fights are over.





Naruto ending up like Jiraiya and Obito would be very depressing especially when Minato (who is also a parallel to them) did get the girl of his dreams.

yeah but nagato said that naruto was different he is the last book of the tale.
so naruto must be alive to acheive its dreams
and...
both jiraya and obito had the girl of their dreams , tsunade loved jiraya and obito wasnt alive when rin shared his feelings after kakashi told her about obito's feelings, that's a pity that he died