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[Anguyen92]

^^ Uhhh, I think I try to make it say that Naruto thinks Sakura is still in "love" with Sasuke, which is different from the perception from our eyes that Sakura is not in love with Sasuke, but rather have lingering feelings that wants/needs to go away, but yes, I agree with the above.

[Fenris]

I dont call her feelings love: Sakura> Sasuke she like him, not love him

Liking someone is usually the cause of suffering. If you want someone to like you too, you have expectations, then you expect something back. But If the other person does not give you what you expect, then you will suffer example Sakura>>>>>>> Sasuke. The problem is that there is a greater likelihood that the other person has other motivations, that are very different from yours.

Love is wanting the best for the other, even if he has other motivations or anather persor they love. Love is to allow the other person to be happy, even if his path is different from yours. It is an altruistic and selfless. Therefore, the love will never cause you suffering because you would at the end be happy for that person anyway.



Jiraiya love Tsunade --------- selfless
Naruto love Sakura ----------- selfless

and Sakura was thinking about Naruto's welfare --------------a little selfless
does she love him? is a little hard to tell she still is a little ---------selfish

At the end love will never be a cause of suffering, so for me it is impossible that Sakura [AME] Sasuke.

^^ Uhhh, I think I try to make it say that Naruto thinks Sakura is still in "love" with Sasuke, which is different from the perception from our eyes that Sakura is not in love with Sasuke, but rather have lingering feelings that wants/needs to go away, but yes, I agree with the above.

I have to agree with Donjoseph. Love is what Naruto has for Sakura, a selfless love, a "I want you to be happy and I'll suffer the consequences of even if it means not having you - if you're happy, I'm happy." Sakura is torn between having a selfless love for Naruto, and a dying bond between Sasuke and her that barely had any leverage to exist on in the first place. Plus, I think it has a lot to do with Sakura knowing how much Naruto cares for Sasuke, and that's what makes her selfless love for Naruto grow, and her "love" for Sasuke detach even more even though Sasuke was the one who caused all of it in the first place. Sort of like a chain reaction.

Sakura likes Sasuke, Sasuke turns evil, Sakura grows more close to Naruto, both bond over Sasuke and mend their emotional wounds together, Sakura questions her feelings for both. Repeat.
Each time her feelings for Naruto get stronger over the emotional loss and destruction Sasuke is causing and or just, having Narutos pain of the situation/watching a old teammate fall into darkness further. (Even though I think he f'ing hit the bottom by now.) and thus, as the chain reaction continues, growing closer and closer to Naruto until the scales outbalance eachother.
Naruto > Sasuke.

Sasuke is a dim weight scale - Naruto, however, as the chain reaction continues and continues and cycles each time, Narutos scale gets stronger on Sakura's level.
Am i making sense? xD

And Anguyen I agree with you too, Naruto needs to snap out of his stubbornness.

[merryGOflava]

naruto is just afraid of rejection and doesnt want things to be awkward.

but he better do something soon or sasuke wont be a good excuse anymore.

[FoolishYoungling]

naruto is just afraid of rejection and doesnt want things to be awkward.

but he better do something soon or sasuke wont be a good excuse anymore.

Don't worry about Sasuke, Sasuke doesn't love Sakura, and if he ever decides to love her, he wouldn't allow her to love him back. Not after looking at how much Naruto loves Sakura.

[merryGOflava]

Don't worry about Sasuke, Sasuke doesn't love Sakura, and if he ever decides to love her, he wouldn't allow her to love him back. Not after looking at how much Naruto loves Sakura.

lol i know i was saying that sasuke wouldnt be a good excuse for naruto to use to block narusaku

he loves sakura but hes seems afraid of change.

[FoolishYoungling]

lol i know i was saying that sasuke wouldnt be a good excuse for naruto to use to block narusaku

he loves sakura but hes seems afraid of change.

Oh yeah, of course.. Naruto is seeming to use Sasuke as a block..

[Fenris]

Oh yeah, of course.. Naruto is seeming to use Sasuke as a block..

I think it's more of a paradox of some kind of the POAL. Meaning he must do this before he can settle anything with Sakura, he must do settle things with her beloved Sasuke, he must, he must, he must. Stemming from his: "I will become the Hokage so everyone will acknowledge me!" 'I will, I will, I will.' He's kinda forward.
When in reality he doesn't see the situation of Sakura folding out her love for Naruto right in front of him because he's so inevitably blinded by the thought of Sakura being so in love with Sasuke.

Either that, or Naruto really is an idiot, and he clearly doesn't understand women at all.

Or he's just so concerned with Sakura's feelings + the bond he has with Sasuke.

Like in the chapter where Sai told Naruto Sakura was going to attempt to kill Sasuke, he lashed out at Sai and said "But why! Sakura chan loves Sasuke so much!- Why!" (Or something like that.) He's so obsessed with making things right.

Like i said before in my previous post it's kinda like a chain reaction, the way I think of it at least.

Edited by iamfenris, 19 November 2011 - 05:22 AM.

[Phantom_999]

You know, when Sai was telling her that she was very gentle with Naruto and Yamato's famous speech. Did Naruto catch any of it?

Sort of

[Rocket]

I think it's more of a paradox of some kind of the POAL. Meaning he must do this before he can settle anything with Sakura, he must do settle things with her beloved Sasuke, he must, he must, he must. Stemming from his: "I will become the Hokage so everyone will acknowledge me!" 'I will, I will, I will.' He's kinda forward.
When in reality he doesn't see the situation of Sakura folding out her love for Naruto right in front of him because he's so inevitably blinded by the thought of Sakura being so in love with Sasuke.

Either that, or Naruto really is an idiot, and he clearly doesn't understand women at all.

Or he's just so concerned with Sakura's feelings + the bond he has with Sasuke.

Like in the chapter where Sai told Naruto Sakura was going to attempt to kill Sasuke, he lashed out at Sai and said "But why! Sakura chan loves Sasuke so much!- Why!" (Or something like that.) He's so obsessed with making things right.

Like i said before in my previous post it's kinda like a chain reaction, the way I think of it at least.

It's not so much that Naruto is an idiot who doesn't understand women, but rather, which you just said so yourself, he's blinded to Sakura's love for him because he's so focused on redeeming Sasuke. His bond with Sasuke is a very important one to him since it was one of his first "true" bonds [save for Iruka of course], thus redeeming him tops Naruto's priorities. Also, Sasuke isn't the main reason the POAL was made in the first place. It was made because of Naruto's selfless love for Sakura [to make her happy, even if means sacrificing his own]. Naruto actually saving Sasuke sets itself apart from the POAL in a way, because we already know that Naruto was gonna attempt to bring back Sasuke anyway, regardless if the POAL was made or not. Which brings us to Naruto's reply to Sakura's confession in chapter 469. Naruto clearly stated that the POAL had nothing to do with his own reasons for saving Sasuke. Of course, his bond with Sasuke alone was the reason in Part I, but now that he's been told of the Uchiha Clan Massacre, despite being alone from the start, he understands where Sasuke's pain comes from. It's a shame that Sasuke refuses to understand Naruto as well, isn't it? Anyways sorry for getting a little off-topic, but I just had to get this out.

Oh yeah, and speaking of Sakura's confession, Naruto didn't believe her because he was still holding onto the old image of Team 7. In 474, however, his image of the old Team 7 shattered when Sai told him, well, basically everything. Sakura's feelings, her intentions at the time, how much mess Sasuke has caused as a criminal, etc. This and 485 makes Naruto realise that Sakura has really moved on to handle her left-over feelings for Sasuke, Sasuke really is corrupted and is desperately unwilling to realise and accept his bond with Naruto, and Team 7 will never be the same again. Everyone has changed, and up until 474, Naruto refused to accept that change.

[Fenris]

It's not so much that Naruto is an idiot who doesn't understand women, but rather, which you just said so yourself, he's blinded to Sakura's love for him because he's so focused on redeeming Sasuke. His bond with Sasuke is a very important one to him since it was one of his first "true" bonds [save for Iruka of course], thus redeeming him tops Naruto's priorities. Also, Sasuke isn't the main reason the POAL was made in the first place. It was made because of Naruto's selfless love for Sakura [to make her happy, even if means sacrificing his own]. Naruto actually saving Sasuke sets itself apart from the POAL in a way, because we already know that Naruto was gonna attempt to bring back Sasuke anyway, regardless if the POAL was made or not. Which brings us to Naruto's reply to Sakura's confession in chapter 469. Naruto clearly stated that the POAL had nothing to do with his own reasons for saving Sasuke. Of course, his bond with Sasuke alone was the reason in Part I, but now that he's been told of the Uchiha Clan Massacre, despite being alone from the start, he understands where Sasuke's pain comes from. It's a shame that Sasuke refuses to understand Naruto as well, isn't it? Anyways sorry for getting a little off-topic, but I just had to get this out.

Oh yeah, and speaking of Sakura's confession, Naruto didn't believe her because he was still holding onto the old image of Team 7. In 474, however, his image of the old Team 7 shattered when Sai told him, well, basically everything. Sakura's feelings, her intentions at the time, how much mess Sasuke has caused as a criminal, etc. This and 485 makes Naruto realise that Sakura has really moved on to handle her left-over feelings for Sasuke, Sasuke really is corrupted and is desperately unwilling to realise and accept his bond with Naruto, and Team 7 will never be the same again. Everyone has changed, and up until 474, Naruto refused to accept that change.

So what you're saying is that he really has realized in 485 that Sakura has moved on? Personally I think you're right, but I still think he needs just a bit more "pushing" over the edge to fall in the pit of "~~sakuraisinlovewithmeohyaymydreamistrue~." Sorta like a bird pushing it's hatchling out of the nest... Sometimes they fly, and get it right, other times they fall flat on their face, like Naruto seems to be handling the love department atm. They haven't really had any real interaction besides Naruto saving her + .. Well, that's it, right? I'm not really caught up on the manga. I hope Naruto talks to her soon.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Well, they only had one interaction, and that's when Sakura meet up with Naruto at Ichiraku's to inform him that Tsunade is all right and I guess when he took out that zestu couple, that almost attacked Sakura and Shizune.

But, as I said before, no pairing is canon yet, without a conversation between Naruto and Sakura about their feelings and who they are going to be with in the future, hopefully and, most likely, with each other.

Edited by Anguyen92, 19 November 2011 - 06:21 AM.

[Fenris]

^^ Well, they only had one interaction, and that's when Sakura meet up with Naruto at Ichiraku's to inform him that Tsunade is all right and I guess when he took out that zestu couple, that almost attacked Sakura and Shizune. But, as I said before, no pairing is canon yet, without a conversation between Naruto and Sakura about their feelings and who they are going to be with in the future, hopefully and, most likely, with each other.

At least he also complimented her appearance acknowledged her well being after nearly just being killed by a zetsu in that chapter.

[Fenris]

I'm pretty sure he acknowledged Hinata's well being too... Not that it means anything, Just wanted to throw that out their.

Yeah, true. Bleh, Kishi should give us a really good NS moment soon

[merryGOflava]

The biggest NS moment I am expecting from Kishi is the forehead scene before he leaves to go fight Sasuke. With all that is going on now, I don't think that Kishi is focused on pairings but he could throw in little hints here and there.

P.S. I have this feeling that there will be this SS moment soon.....

dont jinx us!!!

[Rocket]

So what you're saying is that he really has realized in 485 that Sakura has moved on? Personally I think you're right, but I still think he needs just a bit more "pushing" over the edge to fall in the pit of "~~sakuraisinlovewithmeohyaymydreamistrue~." Sorta like a bird pushing it's hatchling out of the nest... Sometimes they fly, and get it right, other times they fall flat on their face, like Naruto seems to be handling the love department atm. They haven't really had any real interaction besides Naruto saving her + .. Well, that's it, right? I'm not really caught up on the manga. I hope Naruto talks to her soon.

It's actually 474 he realised

485, or rather, 486 was when Naruto realised that Sasuke just won't change anymore. So instead of going all "Sasuke, I'm gonna bring you back alive no matter what and no one can do anything about it!!" he says this:

... --Click here to view--

But back to 474, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

I don't think that Naruto needs to further understand Sakura's feelings for him. Rather, Sakura's feelings and Sasuke's intentions were hard for him to believe [since he was still grasping on that very image of the old Team 7], because the next thing you know is...

... --Click here to view--

All the stuff he's been told has pretty much entered his head and come out of his ear. And he can't believe it [that's so unlike him].

Also, yes, Sakura has moved on from her feelings for Sasuke in a way, but at the same time she still needs to resolve her lingering feelings for him. Although she still has said lingering feelings, she has a complete understanding of Sasuke being an international criminal that needs to be stopped at all costs.

Anyways, if you don't understand what I'm saying, leave it to ciardha-san to explain this, she's gone over it about fifty billion times now.

I have this feeling that there will be this SS moment soon.....

Merry-san only speaks the truth, my friend.

/on-topic with everyone else: yeah, I really want Naruto to have a talk with Sakura regarding their feelings and the bench scene from chapter 3. Considering what's happening in the war at the moment, I don't think their talk is gonna take place anytime soon. But I do believe that they will definitely meet up again before the final battle with Sasuke.

[Darth Krypt]

Kishi didn't really make it obvious who the ending pairing is. Most shounen, at least the ones I've read, had a clear main hero and heroine pairing throughout. In Naruto, Sakura is repeatedly being portrayed as being confused with her feelings. Honestly, I can't really tell for sure whether NS will be the end pairing. Comparing with other shounens that is. What we can say is it is likely that NS will be the end pairing. The reason for this is because Kishi didn't write Naruto as a romance manga hence the confusion that exists even in NS fandoms, the most liable pairing in the manga.

[merryGOflava]

Kishi didn't really make it obvious who the ending pairing is. Most shounen, at least the ones I've read, had a clear main hero and heroine pairing throughout. In Naruto, Sakura is repeatedly being portrayed as being confused with her feelings. Honestly, I can't really tell for sure whether NS will be the end pairing.paring with other shounen Coms that is. What we can say is it is likely that NS will be the end pairing. The reason for this is because Kishi didn't write Naruto as a romance manga hence the confusion that exists even in NS fandoms, the most liable pairing in the manga.

i always hear this??? just because its shounen doesnt mean that there wont be any end pairing.

DBZ had an end pairing
RAVE had an end pairing
FMA had an end pairing
SHAMAN KING had an end pairing (i think i didnt see it)
and those were pretty popular. and others now have romance in it

so i know OP doesnt have any romance but that doesnt count for most of them.

kishi HAS made lots of romance hints in this manga, he is making the point that it is important to the story. so i dont see him dropping it for no reason. even manly dudes like to draw some love crap even if they might not be good at it XD

Edited by merryGOflava, 19 November 2011 - 08:15 AM.

[Fenris]

Kishi didn't really make it obvious who the ending pairing is. Most shounen, at least the ones I've read, had a clear main hero and heroine pairing throughout. In Naruto, Sakura is repeatedly being portrayed as being confused with her feelings. Honestly, I can't really tell for sure whether NS will be the end pairing. Comparing with other shounens that is. What we can say is it is likely that NS will be the end pairing. The reason for this is because Kishi didn't write Naruto as a romance manga hence the confusion that exists even in NS fandoms, the most liable pairing in the manga.

Honestly, I have no doubt that NS will be the final pairing. I mean, what else is there? SS is dead, NH is nearly dead, if not dead already. But something has to be alive in order for it to be dead first. Sasuke has no feelings for Sakura, Naruto has no feelings for Hinata, Naruto and Sakura are the only ones with a solid bond between the both of them, even on a bit of a romantic side.

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It's actually 474 he realised

485, or rather, 486 was when Naruto realised that Sasuke just won't change anymore. So instead of going all "Sasuke, I'm gonna bring you back alive no matter what and no one can do anything about it!!" he says this:
... --Click here to view--

But back to 474, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

I don't think that Naruto needs to further understand Sakura's feelings for him. Rather, Sakura's feelings and Sasuke's intentions were hard for him to believe [since he was still grasping on that very image of the old Team 7], because the next thing you know is...
... --Click here to view--

All the stuff he's been told has pretty much entered his head and come out of his ear. And he can't believe it [that's so unlike him].

Also, yes, Sakura has moved on from her feelings for Sasuke in a way, but at the same time she still needs to resolve her lingering feelings for him. Although she still has said lingering feelings, she has a complete understanding of Sasuke being an international criminal that needs to be stopped at all costs.

Anyways, if you don't understand what I'm saying, leave it to ciardha-san to explain this, she's gone over it about fifty billion times now.

QUOTE (Konan-chan @ Nov 19 2011, 05:37 PM)
I have this feeling that there will be this SS moment soon.....
Merry-san only speaks the truth, my friend.

/on-topic with everyone else: yeah, I really want Naruto to have a talk with Sakura regarding their feelings and the bench scene from chapter 3. Considering what's happening in the war at the moment, I don't think their talk is gonna take place anytime soon. But I do believe that they will definitely meet up again before the final battle with Sasuke.

Thanks for clearing it up. c:

Ah and I hope there isn't a SS moment soon, well, actually.. It's hard to call it a moment when it's one sided and Sasuke wants to kill her. If she gets her feelings in order, than that could be a good thing for NS.

kishi HAS made lots of romance hints in this manga, he is making the point that it is important to the story. so i dont see him dropping it for no reason. even manly dudes like to draw some love crap even if they might not be good at it XD

you're totally right.

Edited by iamfenris, 19 November 2011 - 08:33 AM.

[Darth Krypt]

i always hear this??? just because its shounen doesnt mean that there wont be any end pairing.

DBZ had an end pairing
RAVE had an end pairing
FMA had an end pairing
SHAMAN KING had an end pairing (i think i didnt see it)
and those were pretty popular. and others now have romance in it

so i know OP doesnt have any romance but that doesnt count for most of them.

kishi HAS made lots of romance hints in this manga, he is making the point that it is important to the story. so i dont see him dropping it for no reason. even manly dudes like to draw some love crap even if they might not be good at it XD

My point exactly. I'm trying to say that Kishi's sub romantic plot isn't written to be obvious like other mangas. FMA and Rave had an obvious pairing right from the start. At least to me it is. Compared the Sakura, heroines from the manga you stated don't have an alternate love interest. I guess I'm just sick and tired of Kishi constantly showing Sakura's "confused" feelings. I have the same feeling as Konan-chan. I wouldn't be surprised of he slid in a supposedly SS moment yet again to keep beating into our heads that she's confused but if you think about it she's not. He's just giving unnecessary ammo to fandoms opposing NS. I guess the NS deprivation has finally got to me.

[Fenris]

My point exactly. I'm trying to say that Kishi's sub romantic plot isn't written to be obvious like other mangas. FMA and Rave had an obvious pairing right from the start. At least to me it is. Compared the Sakura, heroines from the manga you stated don't have an alternate love interest. I guess I'm just sick and tired of Kishi constantly showing Sakura's "confused" feelings. I have the same feeling as Konan-chan. I wouldn't be surprised of he slid in a supposedly SS moment yet again to keep beating into our heads that she's confused but if you think about it she's not. He's just giving unnecessary ammo to fandoms opposing NS. I guess the NS deprivation has finally got to me.

No matter what though, I doubt he'd just toss NS in the trash.