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#6741 ultranx

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:29 AM

Excuse me please



how are u ppl so confident about NS??

please tell me :cry:

this :  post from yesterday:

 

DEAR NS SHIPPERS PLEASE READ.
 
I was really confused about this NH suddenly happening just as all of you, so as a script/literature student for almost a year, and learning all about foreshadowing, character development, and plot treatment, I decided I should talk to someone who knew more than me.
 
I exposed this case (about NH in the last movie) to my professor, who has been a successful screen writer for 27 years, and his answer was.
"Well, if you want to get two characters together, you have to put them through a lot of situations, and make them feel everything, both sides, so you can explain why the bond is so strong. You can’t put two characters together which development is so poor, not even if the 3, or 4 moments they have had together are really meaningful. That’s only valid if you are writing a short film cause you don’t have a lot of time, but if the story is as long as you’re telling me, then you have no excuse. You have had plenty of time to put those character through more moments, and make a successful development. If you really intent to make this two characters end up together, then you should have give them more screen time"
 
the I asked him about the other character (Sakura) what was her case and he answered.
 
" It means he really didn’t think it through, and he has wasted years of paper and ink developing this relationship for absolutely nothing. Why would you spend so much time developing a relationship if you really didn’t mean it? As a story maker you have to keep in mind that you have to make things clear for the viewers, because if you don’t, things like this happen. It’s like a new trend in marketing to leave a really open plot so the viewers can make their own conclusions, and watch just cause they want to know if they’re right, and they do this without even consulting the writer. That is called comercial script, and it’s ruining the industry, darling. But if in the end you tell me this girl who has been with the main character all the time, and it’s clearly the main female character, is not ending up with him, you’re telling me the writer of this story hasn’t been able to keep his story in line. He practically took a side character out of nowhere, and created a relationship that through the story was not even foreshadow. It’s bad writing"
 
I explain about Hinata’s love for Naruto. 
 
"And have the main character acknowledge this love?"
I told him about Pein Arc, and her confession. he asked me to see the pages of the manga, and I showed them to him.
"But then this confession was not mention again. When you write about several characters, you have to give each of them a resolution, or else it will  be unfinished. This girls confessions was sudden, and it was not mention again, so in my experience this is just to help the character get its resolution. If to the main character, or to the main plot this confession is supposed to be a game changer, or something important, then it should have been mention again. I can see the main female is there again, and as you can see, or at least what it seems is that the girl is uncomfortable. Sometimes we have to take side characters to do things like this, so main characters can realise their own truth. And it’s use really often. You see a lot of movies about someone who doesn’t realise he or she is in love with their best friend until the best friend is with someone else. So having this confession, and the only person to acknowledge that moment is the other girl, then the confession is only important to those girls. As i told you before, the side character needs its resolution about those feelings, and the main character needs to realise some things that are link to the confession".
 
I explained that since then, Naruto and Hinata have a couple of moments, and I showed them to him as well.
 
"Okey, I can see your concern. As stories develop sometimes we create characters that we wish we would have seen more of. But as much as I watched about this character, the conclusion of every interaction they have (naruto and hinata) is the girl thinking the same thing. We never see him thinking about her, or about what she has done. In the case of the other girl (Sakura) we have both of them thinking about each other constantly. In this cases the side character (hinata) will have her own resolution thanks to the impact the main character have had on her, and the other two (sakura and naruto) are more likely to have a resolution together. You can decode this just by who they keep in their thoughts. The main character has been in love with the other girl (sakura) for the whole story, and it is constantly showed. You never get a hint that he is changing his mind, so it would not be logical for him to change his mind in the blink of an eye, and he’s the main character, he gets what he wants. In this kind of stories, he works his ass off, he gets what he wants, and the other characters learn from him"
 
So I asked him what about the movie and I tell him everything that is going on and he told me.
 
"Then it means that in the main story the writer couldn’t really find a right way to give this character her resolution, so he created the perfect situation for her to have it. If this story is linked to the main one, then it will has no sense with her ending up with the main character. By the plot of this side story, I can tell that what you will mainly see is the final impact the main character has had on her, and the writer will be able to develop her story successfully, but as I see it, and talking with my own experience, her resolution will not be ending by the side of the main character. She will go through her own personal journey, she will finally give him the scarf as a sign of that chapter of her life ending because she will know new things about herself"
I thanked him, and as I was leaving his office he said to me. 
 
"Remember that stories have to make more sense than real life. So, if you want two people to end up together, you have to constantly show how that bond gets stronger. In stories nothing just happens, so I highly doubt he will love the other girl out of nowhere, not after the writer has spend 15 years invested on the other relationship, it will be kind of crushing. Can you imagine it? Spending so much time with the one you love going through the same things, and suddenly having to forget him because someone else loves you?" 
"No, sir"
"Yeah. Keep me updated, you have made me curious"
"Course I will"
So yeah, Im keeping my high hopes, or else I will be pretty disappointed. I don’t want to end up feeling disappointed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

as for the naruto kid talk, saiyan island said something about 700 being 10 years later in the manga, and we got an interview today that was translated by rikudo and kaguya and it says kishimoto basically hinted at naruto being a FATHER


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:32 AM

Wait, 10 years later.. Does that mean we get to see other pairings become canon too? Shiiiiiiz. My ShikaIno! I'm still hoping for a ShikaIno. No one's stopping me now! I wouldn't Kiba and Hinata ending up together too. D:

whaaaaaaa!? XD

 

it's obviously gonna be Shikatem/Chouino/TenTenLee/ SasukeXNo one!

 

I like Kiba and Hinata...but Hinata is waaaaaaaaaaaay to obsessed with Naruto.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:34 AM

soooo 

 

what are the odds of Sakura getting jealous in the movie? Assuming Naruto and her are together.

i actually picture naruto being more of the jealous type.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:36 AM

whaaaaaaa!? XD
 
it's obviously gonna be Shikatem/Chouino/TenTenLee/ SasukeXNo one!
 
I like Kiba and Hinata...but Hinata is waaaaaaaaaaaay to obsessed with Naruto.


I'm going to be the odd one out and ship ShikaIno. I shipped them the first time I saw them interact. I WON'T CHANGE MY MIND. But I do agree that ShikaTema has a higher chance of becoming canon. Still though, nooooooooo. LOL.

Oh, yes. She is. D: I just hope she'd change in 10 years. I can't imagine an adult that acts like her current self.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:38 AM

Excuse me please



how are u ppl so confident about NS??

please tell me :cry:

Just think: SP has been making the movie for 2 years now. In those 2 years, we have seen fillers in the canon episodes and fillers that are about Narusaku or Sakura>Naruto or that part where Hinata said he was going to stop chasing after Naruto.

In all this 2 years we have recive from Kishimoto almost 90% of pure NS development. Why would he do that if they aren't going to be canon? If NH was intended in the movie, then we would have see more NH, but Kishimoto made fun of NH: Hinata falling, but Sakura saving Naruto's life and Hinata's IT dream at the same time Naruto says it's all a big lie.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:41 AM

Shikatema!! D: We'll probably get a glimpse of what everyone is doing in the future. Old Kakashi LOL. Here's to hoping Naruto's kid has pink hair, though I doubt it >_< Probably a mini-Naruto with green eyes and Sakura's skin tone and a mini-Sakura with her skin tone and Naruto's eyes. :wow: I REALLY hope Hinata is clan leader in the future. :/ Ugh


Nuuuuuuuu. ShikaInoooooo! LMAO. Except that, I agree with everything else you said. :D LOL. BUT, I don't mind ShikaTema happening. I'm hoping Kakashi finds someone. I don't want him to be alone while the others are getting married and stuff.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:41 AM

i actually picture naruto being more of the jealous type.

 
well that's cause he is XD 
He was jealous of Sasuke

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He got jealous of Lee

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He got jealous with Sai

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so yea XD

 

but let's just say.....Hinata does something she shouldn't of done (like kiss Naruto out of emotion or something) and Sakura catches them. I think that would be kinda interesting to see.

 

though I'd only allow this is Sakura and Naruto are a couple in the movie and have kissed thousand of times before >:D


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:42 AM

Didn't Kishi's assistent mentioned in one of this tweets that Naruto stopped chasing after Sakura after the pain arc? :/ I mean he knows the ending, so if NS is end game, why would he say something like that? Weird.

 

Didn't he say something like the last chapter had been submitted at the end of last week or something? So how long was he working on it? If a NaruSaku moment was at the end, maybe he didn't come across it yet (can't remember when he said all that stuff beforehand) but I don't think Kishi would've told him beforehand about how it was ending. 

 

Also, I don't know how reliable his info really is. Wouldn't he lose his job/credibility if he leaked the end game of a popular manga series?


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:44 AM

 
well that's cause he is XD 
He was jealous of Sasuke

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He got jealous of Lee

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He got jealous with Sai

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so yea XD

 

but let's just say.....Hinata does something she shouldn't of done (like kiss Naruto out of emotion or something) and Sakura catches them. I think that would be kinda interesting to see.

 

though I'd only allow this is Sakura and Naruto are a couple in the movie and have kissed thousand of times before > :D

 

It definitely would be interesting to see Sakura clearly jealous. Up to this point, she was sad/unsettled at the sight of Naruto being with Hinata, so it'll be nice to actually see those feelings being amplified.  :chuckle:


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#6750 elmas

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:51 AM

Wth?

Give me a sec.

What happened?


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:52 AM

I don't think Sakura will be jealous of Hinata.

She already was kind of jealous when she healed her during the pain arc.

I think she as jealous....could have just been sympathy or anything relly

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:53 AM

Wth?

Give me a sec.

What happened?

Nothing, just more speculation lol


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:54 AM

Shinachiku will most likely have pink hair. I think this was probably foreshadowed when Narto said he wish he would have been born with Kushina's hair

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:54 AM

Wait, 10 years later.. Does that mean we get to see other pairings become canon too? Shiiiiiiz. My ShikaIno! I'm still hoping for a ShikaIno. No one's stopping me now! I wouldn't mind Kiba and Hinata ending up together too. D:

 

SHIKAINO FTW!!

and if that doesn't happen...there's always Sai ;)

 

But seriously...could you imagine Ino has long hair and doesn't fight in the movie cause in the end she reveals she's pregnant :th_yeah: that twist!


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:56 AM

I know! What is Kishi doing to our babies? Oh, last one: 
 
This little baby is going to be a father. I can't believe it, for once. 
 
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Kishi, you're killing me!!!  :cry:


Omg he looks so adorable!! :(

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:58 AM

How sakura will carry her babiesssss

 

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dawww <3



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:58 AM

Nothing, just more speculation lol

Phew!Oh,ok.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:59 AM

Wth?

Give me a sec.

What happened?

read my comment above xD


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 06:02 AM

Nothing, just more speculation lol

what do you mean? xD the interview wasn't speculation and you're saying saiyan island at least mentioning 700 being 10 years later isn't a reason to be looking forward to naruto's kids? xD


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 06:02 AM

So how is Naruto supposed to confess when he's half dead and can't move?






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