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#6721 Don-kun

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:17 AM

I always wonder what will really happen will Sakura grow more feelings like how Naruto did for Sasuke
or she will see Sasuke as a lost cost since he try to kill her for no good reason and wants to kill everyone in Konoha.

Will she betray Konoha, the 3rd Akutsuki member has not join yet, and Kishi say that Naruto will not have anyone close to him and Shika will be Naruto's new right hand.

Kishi also took the time to show usTWICE that Sakura is clueless to the truth about Itachi (once during her confession to Naruto and once during the team 7 reunion) which I consider as foreshadowing that she will eventually learn the truth. What impact will the truth about Itachi have on Sakura's feelings? If Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke (which she most likely does, those feelings will probably grow she will hate Konoha or betray then to join Sasuke or get more far from Sasuke and closer to Naruto, since Itachi was pprotectin Konoha from a civil War and Sasuke is goin agains his wish.


This is really a hard one.

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Edited by donjoseph19, 18 November 2011 - 05:18 AM.


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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:36 AM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Nov 17 2011, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke (which she most likely does, those feelings will probably grow she will hate Konoha or betray then to join Sasuke


I'm sorry, but that is completely messed up. I think Sakura does know the situation at hand and that she knows exactly what to do if she somehow runs into Sasuke in the war. I don't think her "feelings" for Sasuke is going to interfere or ruin on what her objectives, in the war and in life for that matter, is going to be. If so, then F. I always keep saying on how if sasusaku is going to happen, then her character development is destroyed. This is indeed one of those situations and scenarios that could cause the character development to be ruined.

Edited by Anguyen92, 18 November 2011 - 05:39 AM.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:10 AM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Nov 18 2011, 06:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I always wonder what will really happen will Sakura grow more feelings like how Naruto did for Sasuke
or she will see Sasuke as a lost cost since he try to kill her for no good reason and wants to kill everyone in Konoha.

Will she betray Konoha, the 3rd Akutsuki member has not join yet, and Kishi say that Naruto will not have anyone close to him and Shika will be Naruto's new right hand.

Kishi also took the time to show usTWICE that Sakura is clueless to the truth about Itachi (once during her confession to Naruto and once during the team 7 reunion) which I consider as foreshadowing that she will eventually learn the truth. What impact will the truth about Itachi have on Sakura's feelings? If Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke (which she most likely does, those feelings will probably grow she will hate Konoha or betray then to join Sasuke or get more far from Sasuke and closer to Naruto, since Itachi was pprotectin Konoha from a civil War and Sasuke is goin agains his wish.


This is really a hard one.

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Being the student of Tsunade, and knowing how much Naruto loves Konoha, I doubt she'd do that. Plus, she already told Sasuke she'd betray the Leaf and go with him before Kakashi came to rescue her, granted she was lying, but he still tried to kill her. I doubt anything that'd happen in the future if something like that were going to happen, would stop Sasuke from trying to kill her again. If anything, she'd grow closer to Naruto knowing how much it pained him to see his friend/lost comrade falling more and more into the darkness.
 
 
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:18 AM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Nov 18 2011, 07:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Being the student of Tsunade, and knowing how much Naruto loves Konoha, I doubt she'd do that. Plus, she already told Sasuke she'd betray the Leaf and go with him before Kakashi came to rescue her, granted she was lying, but he still tried to kill her. I doubt anything that'd happen in the future if something like that were going to happen, would stop Sasuke from trying to kill her again. If anything, she'd grow closer to Naruto knowing how much it pained him to see his friend/lost comrade falling more and more into the darkness.

Doesn't she love Konoha too? I don't think we are giving her enough credit!

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:27 AM

QUOTE (Sakura Lover @ Nov 18 2011, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Doesn't she love Konoha too? I don't think we are giving her enough credit!

Side note: I love your sig.. Sai is such a good artist happy.gif


Ah yeah I forgot about that. biggrin.gif Plus I doubt she'd go with him either way, either way up down side, to the other side, rectangular, square, oval- I think my point is made on "either way," it'd hurt Naruto so much, and she was even going to kill Sasuke at Naruto's expense. Plus, Karin was even smart enough to turn away from Sasuke, if Karin could do it, who was even more love struck than Sakura, than I'm sure Sakura is weeeell on her way to moving on too. Especially since she has Naruto by her side, and the fact that she's already shown signs of falling in love with him. heheelq7.png
I think Kishi's just also dragging out her feelings for Sasuke for intensity of the romantic subplot.

Edited by iamfenris, 18 November 2011 - 06:27 AM.

 
 
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:29 AM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Nov 18 2011, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah yeah I forgot about that. biggrin.gif Plus I doubt she'd go with him either way, either way up down side, to the other side, rectangular, square, oval- I think my point is made on "either way," it'd hurt Naruto so much, and she was even going to kill Sasuke at Naruto's expense. Plus, Karin was even smart enough to turn away from Sasuke, if Karin could do it, who was even more love struck than Sakura, than I'm sure Sakura is weeeell on her way to moving on too. Especially since she has Naruto by her side, and the fact that she's already shown signs of falling in love with him. heheelq7.png
I think Kishi's just also dragging out her feelings for Sasuke for intensity of the romantic subplot.

Never even though of Kirin being more love struck than Sakura and overcoming her love for him.. maybe Sakura might actually take a deep hit to near death from Sasuke to realize he isn't the one.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:34 AM

QUOTE (Sakura Lover @ Nov 18 2011, 07:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Never even though of Kirin being more love struck than Sakura and overcoming her love for him.. maybe Sakura might actually take a deep hit to near death from Sasuke to realize he isn't the one.


Yeah, maybe it'll stem from Sasuke doing/saying something, or Naruto doing/saying something (Bench scene?) to make her snap out of it. Or like you said she'll have to be near death and possibly subconsciously think of her feelings or something.

Plus, I found this quite interesting:


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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:44 AM

Boy, if Sai thinks that his example of being gentle is how Sakura acts around Naruto, which is the usual sometimes very gentle, sometimes very punchy and angry, and all the time very concerning, then those that criticizes NaruSaku, for the way Sakura acts around Naruto, have really no case then.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:46 AM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Nov 18 2011, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, maybe it'll stem from Sasuke doing/saying something, or Naruto doing/saying something (Bench scene?) to make her snap out of it. Or like you said she'll have to be near death and possibly subconsciously think of her feelings or something.

Plus, I found this quite interesting:


Top panel.


havent we learned by now....naruto is the one blocking narusaku >:U

1) he blocked this before sai could finish
2) he blocked sakura from saying she was worried about him not gaara
3) he blocked yamato from finishing his speech to sakura
4) he blocked sakura from finishing her confession
5) and hes to scared to confess to sakura

ARRRG >:U narutttttoooooooooooooooo

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:51 AM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Nov 18 2011, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Boy, if Sai thinks that his example of being gentle is how Sakura acts around Naruto, which is the usual sometimes very gentle, sometimes very punchy and angry, and all the time very concerning, then those that criticizes NaruSaku, for the way Sakura acts around Naruto, have really no case then.


Yup, Sai/Yamato are the ones to firsthand notice their growing love for each other, especially Sai. He observes it so well, too. A lot of people who go against NS say Sai "don't know anything" about love because he has no emotions, though.

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Nov 18 2011, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
havent we learned by now....naruto is the one blocking narusaku >:U

1) he blocked this before sai could finish
2) he blocked sakura from saying she was worried about him not gaara
3) he blocked yamato from finishing his speech to sakura
4) he blocked sakura from finishing her confession
5) and hes to scared to confess to sakura

ARRRG >:U narutttttoooooooooooooooo


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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:57 AM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Nov 17 2011, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A lot of people who go against NS say Sai "don't know anything" about love because he has no emotions, though.


Well, just because he does not know anything about love, does not mean that they should count out his observation powers though. I mean, obviously, he sees the dynamic between both Naruto and Sakura from a personality pov as well as an interaction pov. Heck, someone, like Sai, is really beneficial to both of them because he can be the only guy that would get both of them to question on what the status of their relationship is and how they can move forward from there (Romantic status or non-romantic status, but preferably romantic).

I got an interesting question though, what does Sai think of Hinata anyway and how she acts around Naruto, if he ever saw both of them in the same place?

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 07:09 AM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Nov 18 2011, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got an interesting question though, what does Sai think of Hinata anyway and how she acts around Naruto, if he ever saw both of them in the same place?


naruto to Sai---> handshake.gif friend

sakura to Sai---> msmack.gif a friend

yamato to Sai--> mellow.gif ninja he works with


everyone else to sai----> ninja.gif fodder nin he doesnt notice.

....maybe sasuse would be --> a_smashy.gif on bad terms in his mind XDD

but i dont think he notices anyone except the 3 above.....maybe kakashi....

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 03:57 PM

QUOTE (Kim @ Nov 18 2011, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good question. I guess she does, but not as much as Naruto. At least we've never heard her rant about it...



Ah, yes. The old plot device, a loud dummy who always has to open his mouth at the worst possible time.
Oh, btw... Do you think he heard something? You know, when Yamato and Sai were talking to Sakura?


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Posted 18 November 2011 - 04:08 PM

I think this sort of sums up a good theory for Sakuras feelings towards both Sasuke and Naruto. Listen to the lyrics, they kind of make sense in her situation, I made this a few hours ago.


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Posted 18 November 2011 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Nov 18 2011, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think this sort of sums up a good theory for Sakuras feelings towards both Sasuke and Naruto. Listen to the lyrics, they kind of make sense in her situation, I made this a few hours ago.


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that was nice biggrin.gif and it did

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Nov 18 2011, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think this sort of sums up a good theory for Sakuras feelings towards both Sasuke and Naruto. Listen to the lyrics, they kind of make sense in her situation, I made this a few hours ago.


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Oh it was a nice work you did there Fenris-chan biggrin.gif
@Kim well I just checked,By seeing the distance between Naruto and Sai I guess he didn't hear..Too bad dry.gif

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Nov 18 2011, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I always wonder what will really happen will Sakura grow more feelings like how Naruto did for Sasuke
or she will see Sasuke as a lost cost since he try to kill her for no good reason and wants to kill everyone in Konoha.

Will she betray Konoha, the 3rd Akutsuki member has not join yet, and Kishi say that Naruto will not have anyone close to him and Shika will be Naruto's new right hand.

Kishi also took the time to show usTWICE that Sakura is clueless to the truth about Itachi (once during her confession to Naruto and once during the team 7 reunion) which I consider as foreshadowing that she will eventually learn the truth. What impact will the truth about Itachi have on Sakura's feelings? If Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke (which she most likely does, those feelings will probably grow she will hate Konoha or betray then to join Sasuke or get more far from Sasuke and closer to Naruto, since Itachi was pprotectin Konoha from a civil War and Sasuke is goin agains his wish.


This is really a hard one.

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So Sauce, after spending great deal of time and effort in his revenge, learns that all the suffering Itachi put him through was because he cared, and suddenly he sees the whole ordeal as “it hurt him more than me” kind of deal. Never mind that he had invested great deal of himself into his hatred for Itachi.

It is simply ludicrous that he suddenly traded all that hatred he felt for Itachi in unconditional love (you know the kind that no matter what a person does, you still love them?) only because he learned the “truth” which was revealed to him by a guy he just met, of who he know nothing about, his goals, plans. NOTHING. And suddenly decided to avenge Itachi by destroying the Leaf village.

I prefer to think that Sasuce’s sudden “change of heart” came about because he found no satisfaction in Itachi’s death, and he took on the mantel of “Avenger of the Uchiha” seeking self satisfaction in the potential revenge that he might find in that. So at the end of the day Sasuke only seeks self satisfaction and the fuel behind his actions is to do what he believes will make him happy. So far, Sasuke seems to think he’ll find content on making everyone in Konoha suffer.

That Itachi’s number one priority is Sasuke means little (if anything at all) since it’s clear that’s not the same for Sasuke, seeing as he’s doing exactly what his brother didn’t want him to do, thus going against Itachi’s wishes and effectively giving the middle finger to everything Itachi stood for. Therefore, no matter how much Sasuke (and Kishimoto) wants us to think he’s motivated for Itachi’s cause, in actuality Sasuke is doing it for the sake of his own sake and the sake of his revenge.


Naruto’s understanding of Sasuke’s intention is one thing, but his actions didn’t stop just there. He pretty much learned from Tobi that Sauce’s grand plan is to kill all the people of Konoha, himself included. And Naruto’s reaction is not only one of understanding; he goes the extra mile (for no apparent reason) and calls himself Sasuke’s friend and declares that he’ll die along with Sasuke if they were to clash. He’s pretty much saying that if Sasuke dies he doesn’t want to live anymore, that’s more than simple understanding, he’s laying his life down and apparently abandoning his personal interest for the sake of this one guy that after almost killing him and leaving him behind after choosing otherwise on a whim has done nothing but try to kill him and his loved ones on multiple occasions. There’s even one occasion in which a character outright tells him there’s no reason to do ANYTHING for Sasuke, seeing as he’s chosen his way already.

Naruto’s pretty much sponsoring Sasuke and the only thing separating him from an actual ally is that he’s playing on the other team, but there’s no denying Naruto’s is the Sauce’s #1 apologist.


My opinion is: No Sakura will not love Sasuke any more, Sakura is not Naruto she can think rationally, this is something Naruto has never done when it's about Sasuke. I really don't care what angle you look at this Sasuke is wrong for trying to kill Karin, Sakura Kakashi and all Konoha.

About Naruto well he is may favorite charater but

Kishimoto made sure that not even the biggest apologist fan wank will make Naruto look any less selfish, childish, stupid and less obsessed with Sasuke. Naruto may like him has brother but he love Sakura too, Sasuke try to kill him, kill Sakura, kill Kakashi and wipe out Konaha, Option 3 was not an option ''Die with you and cary the birthing of your hatred'' is really stupid.

Edited by donjoseph19, 18 November 2011 - 09:32 PM.


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Posted 18 November 2011 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Nov 18 2011, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
havent we learned by now....naruto is the one blocking narusaku >:U

1) he blocked this before sai could finish
2) he blocked sakura from saying she was worried about him not gaara
3) he blocked yamato from finishing his speech to sakura
4) he blocked sakura from finishing her confession
5) and hes to scared to confess to sakura

ARRRG >:U narutttttoooooooooooooooo


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Just like Jiraiya cutting off Tsunade's admission of her feelings for him in their last conversation. Jiraiya wanted to keep pretending that he never won over Tsunade's heart, rather than he had long ago. Instead of consciously realizing the even more painful truth too late- that the very defense mechanism (jerkish comments and overly pervy comments) he employed to protect himself from the rejection he thought he'd get if he confessed his true feelings had been the only obstacle to them having had a relationship in the first place. The fact she fell in love with and still carries memories of Dan (who deeply loved her back) was never an obstacle to her having romantic feelings for Jiraiya too. She finally saw through Jiraiya's jerkiness, that he didn't just lust for her (rather obvious from his pervy comments) but loved her and longed for her love back. Thus her comment to Shizune about how things were going to change between Jiraiya and herself should he make it back. (I wish Kishimoto would have let that happen, or at least had a scene while Tsunade was in the coma where she met up with Jiraiya's spirit and told him what an idiot he was, that she had loved him all along, and she knew now he had felt the same for her....)
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:02 PM

Boy, throughout this whole series, both Naruto and Jiraya find themselves in that one thing that most people get themselves into, when they found themselves in a situation of admitting to their loved ones that they indeed love them. They often just try to find a reason to not say anything (probably, they would do something perverted or annoying, just to shield themselves, if that made sense, or just think that the person, that he loves, is still in love with someone else or just can't love again because of one's death) and is scared of the reaction that their respective person might do.

I think, at some point in life, most people would find themselves in that spot, myself included. And I guess the only conclusion to get themselves out of that spot, is to just go ahead and say it because there's really no other way around it, without hurting yourself.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:35 PM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Nov 18 2011, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Boy, throughout this whole series, both Naruto and Jiraya find themselves in that one thing that most people get themselves into, when they found themselves in a situation of admitting to their loved ones that they indeed love them. They often just try to find a reason to not say anything (probably, they would do something perverted or annoying, just to shield themselves, if that made sense, or just think that the person, that he loves, is still in love with someone else or just can't love again because of one's death) and is scared of the reaction that their respective person might do.

I think, at some point in life, most people would find themselves in that spot, myself included. And I guess the only conclusion to get themselves out of that spot, is to just go ahead and say it because there's really no other way around it, without hurting yourself.



I dont call her feelings love: Sakura> Sasuke she like him, not love him

Liking someone is usually the cause of suffering. If you want someone to like you too, you have expectations, then you expect something back. But If the other person does not give you what you expect, then you will suffer example Sakura>>>>>>> Sasuke. The problem is that there is a greater likelihood that the other person has other motivations, that are very different from yours.

Love is wanting the best for the other, even if he has other motivations or anather persor they love. Love is to allow the other person to be happy, even if his path is different from yours. It is an altruistic and selfless. Therefore, the love will never cause you suffering because you would at the end be happy for that person anyway.



Jiraiya love Tsunade --------- selfless
Naruto love Sakura ----------- selfless

and Sakura was thinking about Naruto's welfare --------------a little selfless
does she love him? is a little hard to tell she still is a little ---------selfish

At the end love will never be a cause of suffering, so for me it is impossible that Sakura [AME] Sasuke.

Edited by donjoseph19, 18 November 2011 - 11:39 PM.





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