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[Codus N]

Ah I think by April the manga will still be focused on Sasuke though. There's only 4 chapters in a month really, and that's if there's no breaks.

Hmm... my guess is, this mini arc will last another 5 chapters at most. 3 chaps for Hashirama's story, 2 chaps for Minato's portion. It might end in a cliffhanger with Sasuke's decision.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hmm... my guess is, this mini arc will last another 5 chapters at most. 3 chaps for Hashirama's story, 2 chaps for Minato's portion. It might end in a cliffhanger with Sasuke's decision.

Hm, that could happen, especially the cliffhanger part. Actually, that can happen.

[T XD]

Hmm... my guess is, this mini arc will last another 5 chapters at most. 3 chaps for Hashirama's story, 2 chaps for Minato's portion. It might end in a cliffhanger with Sasuke's decision.

Agree. 5 to 6 chapters at most, maybe to 7, but I'm saying it just for reserve.

If we say 4 to 5 chapters of the boss battle, 1 or 2 chapters chapters for Minato, and another chapter if Sasuke will say his decision or for Minato if the boss battle chapters is 5.

I think we'll be back to the battle between the beginning and the middle of April.

[AzureWaters]

Time will tell. I'm not denying that there were moments but the problem is it has two ways to be interpreted. So far, it's a friendship. As I said a while back, it needed a follow-up but there's none. This arc is heavily focus on side characters, so it's pretty much hard to feel that they're just side characters. I believe Slextrem said it best when she said that Kishi made side characters seem like main characters with their recent developments. Kishi already said that these characters are going to shine and Kishi has a habit of filling every holes before reaching the end. Hinata got hers. It's questionable that her love even matters, and honestly, I won't be surprised if it never gets touch on again. It wouldn't be the first for anything since couple others has done that.

To be honest, it's also hard to say but I do believe ironically that we may have place Hinata on a pedestal, yet at the same time, I don't even think Kishi really care. He has been placing main characters over many times, though I don't blame him at the slightest bit. It was going well until we hit here. Also, strangely NH moment happened in the middle again. It's funny because people assumed that volume is going to be the end but it's more like end of the middle. Oddly enough, we took a break just before classic Shounen boss battle was about to begin. I find the timing questionable. I know I said it for Darkerst but if Obito is going to get TnJ, shouldn't he be getting that effect right there about friends? He didn't. I always feel that we pass phase 1: friends. Phase 2 can be close bond/love, but who knows. It does feel convenient that Itachi has said Naruto can be Tobi (who's now Obito) if he doesn't do what his dad did. Plus, Hokage talk is back from Naruto, so now it makes me wonder. I'll hold on until we finally get back to the battle.

Well if its NaruHina that will eventually happen, then Kishimoto has to make them interact with one another before the very end. A big pairing moment at the end (with no clue of why it happened/appeared out of nowhere), would be even more of an asspull than what's going on right now. Now at least Naruto has shown a greater amount of care for Hinata and whether romantic or not, NaruHina isn't as one-sided as it once was before and right after Hinata's confession.

I don't place Hinata on a pedestal, but I do recognize that she's getting a fair greater amount of attention than would usually bestow a side character. And more than most of the rookies. Whats more is exactly what she's being used for. To be able to impact the main character like that and take him out of heroic BSOD is not something to take lightly. Especially as a female character and the way that she manged doing it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well if its NaruHina that will eventually happen, then Kishimoto has to make them interact with one another before the very end. A big pairing moment at the end (with no clue of why it happened/appeared out of nowhere), would be even more of an asspull than what's going on right now. Now at least Naruto has shown a greater amount of care for Hinata and whether romantic or not, NaruHina isn't as one-sided as it once was before and right after Hinata's confession.

I don't place Hinata on a pedestal, but I do recognize that she's getting a fair greater amount of attention than would usually bestow a side character. And more than most of the rookies. Whats more is exactly what she's being used for. To be able to impact the main character like that and take him out of heroic BSOD is not something to take lightly. Especially as a female character and the way that she manged doing it.

Well for the record, I wasn't only saying the pedestal part for you, rather could be for lots of us. I'm sorry to say that, but Naruto is the same guy as before and I don't know where Naruto places her higher with no indication, because well, there's none. You and I can't say for certain that Hinata is now higher level for Naruto becausd honestly, he would have indicate it differently. Each team has one or more people that really stands out more and Hinata is one for Team 8 (sorry Shino and Kiba). To be honest, I always saw Team 10 got the most focus out of side characters, but I believe it's because we are dealing with romance that Hinata is on our vision. Sorry to say, but I do think we may placed her too high while ignoring others. Read above as to why again.

I'll hold that to my thought until anything else happen. You don't have to agree, of course. But I will keep this myself and honestly, this would seal the deal for me. If one NaruSaku moment happen in this arc, even after already declared that Naruto is changing feelings, just one small moment...time's up.

[Codus N]

Well, both of you have a point. 615 is something that cannot be taken lightly. Then again, we don't know if it changes Naruto's view. So really, a game breaker is inevitable soon. No more drawing out. No more ambiguities, no nothing. Just the plain simple truth.

[narusaku4ver]

Hmm... my guess is, this mini arc will last another 5 chapters at most. 3 chaps for Hashirama's story, 2 chaps for Minato's portion. It might end in a cliffhanger with Sasuke's decision.

I doubt there will be 3 chapters with Hashirama i think only one or one and half and for Minato's part half of the chapter.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 16 February 2013 - 03:58 PM.

[redragon88]

Well if its NaruHina that will eventually happen, then Kishimoto has to make them interact with one another before the very end. A big pairing moment at the end (with no clue of why it happened/appeared out of nowhere), would be even more of an asspull than what's going on right now. Now at least Naruto has shown a greater amount of care for Hinata and whether romantic or not, NaruHina isn't as one-sided as it once was before and right after Hinata's confession.

I don't place Hinata on a pedestal, but I do recognize that she's getting a fair greater amount of attention than would usually bestow a side character. And more than most of the rookies. Whats more is exactly what she's being used for. To be able to impact the main character like that and take him out of heroic BSOD is not something to take lightly. Especially as a female character and the way that she manged doing it.

Let's be honest, regardless of pairings anyone else taking Naruto out of his funk would've looked out of place.

First of all the cause of despair was Neji's death. Who else but Hinata could have that impact while repeating his last words? Anyone else helping Naruto would be a disservice to Neji's sacrifice.

There's also the fact that Hinata came full circle with her character development by encouraging the hero from which she took strength throughout her life. Ever since Hinata's conception I have the feeling she was meant to give this speech. If Hinata wasn't in love with Naruto I think everyone would've loved that she got such a significant moment that goes so perfectly with her progression.

I know that it's easy to misrepresent this moments thanks to pairing influence but I think that Hinata was truly perfect for the role she took on chapter 615. No one else could've done a better job than her in that moment given the overall story.

[Codus N]

Shikamaru could. He's the most mature and well-developed of the 11. And besides, it's been foreshadowed many times he's going to be Naruto's right hand man. Story-wise, it makes sense that she'd be the one to do it because of the connection with Neji. Character-wise, Shikamaru fits better for the role.

[redragon88]

Shikamaru could. He's the most mature and well-developed of the 11. And besides, it's been foreshadowed many times he's going to be Naruto's right hand man. Story-wise, it makes sense that she'd be the one to do it because of the connection with Neji. Character-wise, Shikamaru fits better for the role.

That's kind of the point.

Many characters could be able to get Naruto out of his shock. I bet even Ino could do it. But this was Hinata's role. She was meant to do so given the story and her character development.

[Codus N]

Yes, but since it was supposed to be a character moment, Shikamaru is a far better option. If Kishi wanted to develop the K-11, then why didn't he do it with Shikamaru?? there are other ways to fulfill Hinata's development other than 615. 615 felt too OOC for Hinata.

Edited by Codus N, 16 February 2013 - 04:48 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's like how I mentioned in the podcast, Neji was like a branch to multiple developments and it showed. How else Hinata got to talk to Naruto? Let's face it, she's really weak and can't get a boss battle or B.A. moment, so the logical sense will be talking development, not action. Also, we got lucky with her getting her wish early, instead of being a deal breaker, let alone paralleling her with Rin at the moment. I'm surprised nobody in the background trying to indicate something touchy, but oh well. Yes, they're in war but that's the problem, her role has been settled. Sakura is still pending and in my opinion, she has a big advantage. I think I may laugh at myself when this is over and recap how one was taken too serious, but that will be for a while.

[narusaku4ver]

Yes, but since it was supposed to be a character moment, Shikamaru is a far better option. If Kishi wanted to develop the K-11, then why didn't he do it with Shikamaru?? there are other ways to fulfill Hinata's development other than 615. 615 felt too OOC for Hinata.

Well there was but since it was close to "sjalpha" simultaneous launch for me kishimoto changed the 615 because srsly the way that 614 ended and how 615 started i cant think anything other than kishi doing an "last hour" change on the chapter to please the western fandom for the launch of "sjalpha" simultaneous release.
I do agree with the fact that she was the only one who could remind Naruto about his nindo but Naruto already did that when he was fighting Obito before the alliance's arrival when he said that there were a lot of people that sacrificed their loves in order for him to succeed i still cant take that chapter seriously.
Even the bad drawing of that chapter enforce this theory, looks like it was done in a haste

Edited by narusaku4ver, 16 February 2013 - 05:05 PM.

[T XD]

Neji dying means Hinata having a role. He's her cousin. So, she'll get a moment with the protagonist and to her character, she got development.

If Hinata didn't get the moment and if Naruto didn't go OOC for her sake, then all the main and side characters are still going head on and fighting the opponents like there was no meaning to Neji's death !

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yes, but since it was supposed to be a character moment, Shikamaru is a far better option. If Kishi wanted to develop the K-11, then why didn't he do it with Shikamaru?? there are other ways to fulfill Hinata's development other than 615. 615 felt too OOC for Hinata.

Well couple of things. One is that Hinata is related to Neji, so she learns something, which could be one reason why she's upfront to speak to Naruto. Second is that she was the closest person in there, while Shikamaru was far and getting ready for the plan, just shocked that Neji is dead. Lastly, I don't think Kishi wanted Shikamaru to do it because his development was in pending from his father's words. Also, Hinata wouldn't have close her character if she never speaks, let alone fight which she can't do. Again, Kishi has the need to close everything (don't be surprised we get to learn who created the mountain in recent chapters).

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 16 February 2013 - 05:01 PM.

[Codus N]

Yeah, that's what I acknowledge as well. But Shikamaru could've easily shouted at him. But you're quite right that it has something to do with his old man's death. So it wouldn't feel quite right.

I think I should rephrase my statement. 615 was not OOC, just forced.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well there was but since it was close to "sjalpha" simultaneous launch for me kishimoto changed the 615 because srsly the way that 615 ended and how 616 started i cant think anything other than kishi doing an "last hour" change on the chapter to please the western fandom for the launch of "sjalpha" simultaneous release.
I do agree with the fact that she was the only one who could remind Naruto about his nindo but Naruto already did that when he was fighting Obito before the alliance's arrival when he said that there were a lot of people that sacrificed their loves in order for him to succeed i still cant take that chapter seriously.
Even the bad drawing of that chapter enforce this theory, looks like it was done in a haste

If that's true, then congratulations, USA. You just used your trump card (holding hands) way too early. One small NS moment can destroy it, perhaps marking the end of NH. Good job. I'm so proud of living there.

Yeah, that's what I acknowledge as well. But Shikamaru could've easily shouted at him. But you're quite right that it has something to do with his old man's death. So it wouldn't feel quite right.

I think I should rephrase my statement. 615 was not OOC, just forced.

Yeah, forced is the right word. I don't mind her getting her closure, but I think Kishi really couldn't find a way. Can't blame him, knowing she's meant to be a fanservice character, villager, and well not relevent to the main story.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 16 February 2013 - 05:07 PM.

[narusaku4ver]

Neji dying means Hinata having a role. He's her cousin. So, she'll get a moment with the protagonist and to her character, she got development.

If Hinata didn't get the moment and if Naruto didn't go OOC for her sake, then all the main and side characters are still going head on and fighting the opponents like there was no meaning to Neji's death !

http://i21.mangaread...uto-3685617.jpg

And most importantly this


This went out to the space and had no meaning.
What he said here was the same he said on 615 to 616 does not make any sense to repeat something he already learned.

Call me biased if you want but i simply cant understand the purpose of 615 other than fanservice.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 16 February 2013 - 05:17 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

http://i21.mangaread...uto-3685617.jpg

And most importantly this


This went out to the space and had no meaning.
What he said here was the same he said on 615 to 616 does not make any sense to repeat something he already learned.

Call me biased if you want but i simply cant understand the purpose of 615 other than fanservice.

It was forced to make Hinata developed. It's like I said, I feel as if Kishi has no other ways for her. Plus, it does feel like an updated version of Part 1 Hinata's development.

[narusaku4ver]

It was forced to make Hinata developed. It's like I said, I feel as if Kishi has no other ways for her. Plus, it does feel like an updated version of Part 1 Hinata's development.

If he really wanted to give development for her he should start showing her having concern about her clan and showing some leadership skills since she's the heir of her clan but no let's just give a moment were she can do something for Naruto this is not a development.
she basically did the same thing on the Pain's arc.

Naruto is in danger wait i'll just go OOC.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 16 February 2013 - 05:30 PM.