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#6681 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:29 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Dec 16 2012, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can see many other ways of NS happening.


then post it.

i can see only 3-4 ways making an assumption that he will finish the drama after the war arc.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 16 2012, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So I would like to list the possible scenarios where I personally (personally is the keyword, folks) believe that if NS where to happen because of these reasons I would deem them unacceptable.

1) Sakura comes to a realization that it was Naruto who she loved all along? No. Just no. We all can agree that the manga is already coming towards an end, and if that was the case then she still wouldn't have feelings for Sasuke as evident during the whole summit fiasco. And yes, chapter 540 is also an additional confirmation that she still loves the man. And please don't come up with ridiculous interpretations saying that she was "thinking of Naruto first". It was Sasuke and Sasuke alone in that scene. The context and the conversation was pretty telling. Oh, and I understand well that she isn't happy about it, so there's no need to mention that if anyone is going to reply to this. Also, it seems like that forced cliche route of coming to a realization was already dead in Sakura's painful confession.

You’re relying on a false dichotomy, that Sakura can’t have any romantic feelings for Naruto if she still has romantic feelings for Sasuke.

There is plenty of proof for the argument that Sakura has been developing romantic feelings for Naruto over part two, without her realizing the nature of those feelings, while still continuing to consciously cling to her romantic feelings for Sasuke.

Her blatant attraction to Naruto in 245, Yamato’s words to her in 297 and her reaction to them, the fact that she was bothered that Hinata loves Naruto in 442, her hugging him in 450 (and the crowds reaction to it), and the clear distinction in her lying abilities when she was talking about her feeling for Sasuke and her feelings for Naruto in her “painful” confession at the summit all support it.

The third data book even outright states that she doesn’t know what she feels for Naruto currently, but that he makes her heart beat faster.

Why didn’t Sakura come to a love epiphany when Sai told her Naruto loves her, and during her confession at the summit? Because it wasn’t the proper time for it. Sakura’s character wasn’t where she needed to be in order to realize her own feelings. She needed that second encounter with Sasuke to shake her view of him, and the words of an outsider with no knowledge of the Team 7 love triangle to get her thinking differently about her feelings for Sasuke.

540 makes more sense as the catalyst to consciously being the change of Sakura’s feelings for Sasuke, rather than a pointless (and rather ludicrous) reminder of her feelings for Sasuke still being there when we were reminded of it just last arc.

Will a love epiphany on Sakura’s part be cliché? Of course. But is it unsupported? No.
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2) Naruto confesses to Sakura? No. Just no. I hear this overused argument being used to drive NS home. Naruto became a hero right infront of her eyes, and she still couldn't bring herself to love the man. Yes, I understand that her care for Naruto is deep, but she still loves Sasuke. If actions didn't convice her that Naruto is truly the better man for her, why would anyone think words would do? Sasuke's actions should have made it clear that Naruto is Mr. Right for her, but it didn't. She still holds onto that one-sided love of hers. And though she tried to forcefully let go of that romantic attachment, she failed in doing so. The heart wants what the heart wants. Period.

First of all, Naruto confessing is primarily about Naruto's character, and properly resolving his romantic feelings for her. If Hinata and Sakura got the chance to confess and directly express their feelings, logic dictates Naruto, as the main character, will get the same chance whether or not it leads to NS canonization.

Secondly, its not about being a hero at all, its about Sakura coming to realizations about herself and her feelings. Naruto confirming that he loves her (since she clearly doubts his romantic feelings for her at the summit) and why he loves her (since Sai gave no reasons), will only help Sakura's character (since again, she seems to be of the belief that she's not worthy of Naruto's love - hence her words in 459 that he's an idiot for loving her) in regards to her confidence issues and reinforce Yamato's words (that her caring for Naruto as much as she does is enough).

And honestly, with the amount of talk-no-jutsuing that goes on in this manga from Naruto, you're doubting his ability to change people's hearts and way of thinking with his words alone?

I'm not talking about the subjective merits of this happening, but its likelihood given what Kishi has shown us in his manga thus far.
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3) Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are slowly but surely fading away. NS is right around the corner? No. Just no. I find this argument to be the most problematic, especially to the realistic pairing that is NS. How in the world do people favor this? After more than 600 chapters her shallow love for Sasuke finally goes away? Are you kidding me?! It took gossip of Sasuke's infamous reputation, 3 murder attempts, and physical & emtional stress to finally put the nail in the coffin for SS? Am I do only one that finds that down right hilarious? It took that much push for Sakura to let go of her feelings for Sasuke. Man, Sakura sure is stubborn.

Her feelings for Sasuke are far from immutable. She was willing to drop the search for Sasuke after VOTE in part one after Naruto first failed to bring him back, and gave up on his redemption at the summit as well. She's encountered Sasuke twice in the three to four years after her confession, and the second encounter is enough to get her reflecting unhappily on her romantic feelings for him.

She's been clinging onto a memory of Sasuke for all these years, even after the first encounter. Of course she's going to have difficulty reconciling the Sasuke she knew, the image of him she's built up in her head, to the vastly different one she's hearing about from Karui. Hearing about the things Sasuke has done is one thing, but seeing for yourself in person is another thing entirely.

When hearing that the rookies had decided Sasuke needed to die, who was the only person we saw her focusing on? Naruto, and his emotional pain - not Sasuke and his impending death. We know from the summit she eventually thought about it, but Naruto was clearly her priority. I think that's pretty telling in regards to the respective strength of her feelings for the boys.

She is the only one out of the four players in the romance subplot to have a current negative view of her love interest, so logically, if anyone is going to change their feelings at this point in the manga, she seems to be in the best position for it (especially given that she is also the only one to show anything beyond friendship for the person who has unrequited feelings for her).
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As much as you guys brag about how realistic NS is, the reasoning for it to become canon doesn't seem to suit it, especially Sakura's stubborn feelings for Sasuke. Considering all the things that Naruto has done for her, her standards are too high, and that is Kishi's mistake. Only a God would suit Sakura now. LOL

No one is bragging here. You think the reasoning for NaruSaku canon is weak. You are entitled to you own opinion, but in the end, that's all it is - an opinion.

I'm not sure how can you say Sakura's standards are high at all - she's in love with Sasuke, someone who she thought hated her and never talked to her by the end of part one, who has tried to kill her multiple times, and who she has recently acknowledged as not a great guy, as someone she is ashamed to have feelings for. This is a girl with some serious self confidence issues when it comes to romance, and that shows in her feelings with Naruto as well.

Again, look at her reaction in 458 and 459 - she thinks Naruto is an idiot for loving her (indicating she doesn't feel like she's someone who deserves his love), and that she's caused him the most pain. This is reinforcing her words in 297, where she clearly feels that she doesn't do enough for Naruto. At the summit, she even asks Naruto after his reaction - "If you don't like me, then just say so!", indicating that she probably doesn't even believe he's still in love with her - not because of his actions towards her necessarily, but because of her own lack of self worth in this particular regard.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:44 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 16 2012, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
then post it.

i can see only 3-4 ways making an assumption that he will finish the drama after the war arc.

Ive already written a lot of them in here, but i dont have time now to post them again.
Most of them happen after the fight between naruto and sasuke. Like sakura has the option to go with sasuke but then decides to stay with naruto.
As i also already said, for me the wole love story in this manga isnt very complicated, because its the typical tactic of story telling.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:55 PM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Dec 16 2012, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You’re relying on a false dichotomy, that Sakura can’t have any romantic feelings for Naruto if she still has romantic feelings for Sasuke.

There is plenty of proof for the argument that Sakura has been developing romantic feelings for Naruto over part two, without her realizing the nature of those feelings, while still continuing to consciously cling to her romantic feelings for Sasuke.

Her blatant attraction to Naruto in 245, Yamato’s words to her in 297 and her reaction to them, the fact that she was bothered that Hinata loves Naruto in 442, her hugging him in 450 (and the crowds reaction to it), and the clear distinction in her lying abilities when she was talking about her feeling for Sasuke and her feelings for Naruto in her “painful” confession at the summit all support it.

The third data book even outright states that she doesn’t know what she feels for Naruto currently, but that he makes her heart beat faster.

Why didn’t Sakura come to a love epiphany when Sai told her Naruto loves her, and during her confession at the summit? Because it wasn’t the proper time for it. Sakura’s character wasn’t where she needed to be in order to realize her own feelings. She needed that second encounter with Sasuke to shake her view of him, and the words of an outsider with no knowledge of the Team 7 love triangle to get her thinking differently about her feelings for Sasuke.

540 makes more sense as the catalyst to consciously being the change of Sakura’s feelings for Sasuke, rather than a pointless (and rather ludicrous) reminder of her feelings for Sasuke still being there when we were reminded of it just last arc.

Will a love epiphany on Sakura’s part be cliché? Of course. But is it unsupported? No.

First of all, Naruto confessing is primarily about Naruto's character, and properly resolving his romantic feelings for her. If Hinata and Sakura got the chance to confess and directly express their feelings, logic dictates Naruto, as the main character, will get the same chance whether or not it leads to NS canonization.

Secondly, its not about being a hero at all, its about Sakura coming to realizations about herself and her feelings. Naruto confirming that he loves her (since she clearly doubts his romantic feelings for her at the summit) and why he loves her (since Sai gave no reasons), will only help Sakura's character (since again, she seems to be of the belief that she's not worthy of Naruto's love - hence her words in 459 that he's an idiot for loving her) in regards to her confidence issues and reinforce Yamato's words (that her caring for Naruto as much as she does is enough).

And honestly, with the amount of talk-no-jutsuing that goes on in this manga from Naruto, you're doubting his ability to change people's hearts and way of thinking with his words alone?

I'm not talking about the subjective merits of this happening, but its likelihood given what Kishi has shown us in his manga thus far.

Her feelings for Sasuke are far from immutable. She was willing to drop the search for Sasuke after VOTE in part one after Naruto first failed to bring him back, and gave up on his redemption at the summit as well. She's encountered Sasuke twice in the three to four years after her confession, and the second encounter is enough to get her reflecting unhappily on her romantic feelings for him.

She's been clinging onto a memory of Sasuke for all these years, even after the first encounter. Of course she's going to have difficulty reconciling the Sasuke she knew, the image of him she's built up in her head, to the vastly different one she's hearing about from Karui. Hearing about the things Sasuke has done is one thing, but seeing for yourself in person is another thing entirely.

When hearing that the rookies had decided Sasuke needed to die, who was the only person we saw her focusing on? Naruto, and his emotional pain - not Sasuke and his impending death. We know from the summit she eventually thought about it, but Naruto was clearly her priority. I think that's pretty telling in regards to the respective strength of her feelings for the boys.

She is the only one out of the four players in the romance subplot to have a current negative view of her love interest, so logically, if anyone is going to change their feelings at this point in the manga, she seems to be in the best position for it (especially given that she is also the only one to show anything beyond friendship for the person who has unrequited feelings for her).

No one is bragging here. You think the reasoning for NaruSaku canon is weak. You are entitled to you own opinion, but in the end, that's all it is - an opinion.

I'm not sure how can you say Sakura's standards are high at all - she's in love with Sasuke, someone who she thought hated her and never talked to her by the end of part one, who has tried to kill her multiple times, and who she has recently acknowledged as not a great guy, as someone she is ashamed to have feelings for. This is a girl with some serious self confidence issues when it comes to romance, and that shows in her feelings with Naruto as well.

Again, look at her reaction in 458 and 459 - she thinks Naruto is an idiot for loving her (indicating she doesn't feel like she's someone who deserves his love), and that she's caused him the most pain. This is reinforcing her words in 297, where she clearly feels that she doesn't do enough for Naruto. At the summit, she even asks Naruto after his reaction - "If you don't like me, then just say so!", indicating that she probably doesn't even believe he's still in love with her - not because of his actions towards her necessarily, but because of her own lack of self worth in this particular regard.


And again there's another beautiful post happy.gif, especially on the last part about Sakura thinking that he's probably not in love with her anymore. I really agree with the point that this would also have to do with her words in 297 about not doing enough for Naruto, and that she has yet to realize what Yamato's words meant EXACTLY. That it wasn't about what she DOES for him but what she feels for him. Maybe when he tells her how he feels she might bring up that she doesn't do enough for him, and he'll say something like that. That would be kinda sweet (and tense) tongue.gif

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:25 PM

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:51 PM

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540 makes more sense as the catalyst to consciously being the change of Sakura’s feelings for Sasuke, rather than a pointless (and rather ludicrous) reminder of her feelings for Sasuke still being there when we were reminded of it just last arc.



After Kage Summit, many people were questioning if Sakura continued to love Sasuke. Post murder attempts, Sakura hadn't been thinking about her feelings for either boy, and with the circumstances, it would not be illogical for her to lose affection for Sasuke.

540 was needed, imo, if Kishi still wanted his audience to understand that yes, Sakura still loves Sasuke. Another thing that could point to this, and counter your belief that this wasn't the true intention, would be that Hinata's feature in the chapter clearly was to bring her feelings back to the playing field. Not a few pages after Lover nin leaves Sakura's tent, we're shown Hinata and her thoughts on Naruto. I believe that if Kishi wanted to put Sakura's feelings for Sasuke to question rather than doing the exact opposite and pushing them, it would have been wiser to leave NaruHina out of it. Indeed what the majority of readers took from that chapter was Sakura <3 Sasuke and Hinata <3 Naruto.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Dec 16 2012, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After Kage Summit, many people were questioning if Sakura continued to love Sasuke. Post murder attempts, Sakura hadn't been thinking about her feelings for either boy, and with the circumstances, it would not be illogical for her to lose affection for Sasuke.

540 was needed, imo, if Kishi still wanted his audience to understand that yes, Sakura still loves Sasuke. Another thing that could point to this, and counter your belief that this wasn't the true intention, would be that Hinata's feature in the chapter clearly was to bring her feelings back to the playing field. Not a few pages after Lover nin leaves Sakura's tent, we're shown Hinata and her thoughts on Naruto. I believe that if Kishi wanted to put Sakura's feelings for Sasuke to question rather than doing the exact opposite and pushing them, it would have been wiser to leave NaruHina out of it. Indeed what the majority of readers took from that chapter was Sakura <3 Sasuke and Hinata <3 Naruto.

But tell me one thing then. Why imply the "if hes somebody that you love he`s bound to be a great person", if its only a moment to show how sakura still loves sasuke and nothing else?

Also its clear to show sakura doubting her feelings for sasuke after the summit arc. Its fact that at this point her feelings for sasuke are in bad light, so it doesnt matter if she still sees sasuke as the love interest at that time.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Dec 16 2012, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But tell me one thing then. Why imply the "if hes somebody that you love he`s bound to be a great person", if its only a moment to show how sakura still loves sasuke and nothing else?

Also its clear to show sakura doubting her feelings for sasuke after the summit arc. Its fact that at this point her feelings for sasuke are in bad light, so it doesnt matter if she still sees sasuke as the love interest at that time.


Could be a way to emphasize Sasuke, and his character atm. Sakura can be upset by him without it actually affecting her romantic interest. She clearly states that she loves him when Lover nin asks her out, after all.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:53 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Dec 16 2012, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could be a way to emphasize Sasuke, and his character atm. Sakura can be upset by him without it actually affecting her romantic interest. She clearly states that she loves him when Lover nin asks her out, after all.

Your are not only upset with someone who tried to kill you 2 times. Also she didint state that she loves sasuke, she said theres someone else.
She didnt even say a name. After that she thinks about sasuke with flames in the background and looks sad. For me thats no posetive scene for SS, its a negative.
A clear indicator of this is, that the lovernin said that comment before her thinking of sasuke.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:57 PM

Guys i understand now, it's so obvious, sakura is just under a genjustsu from the sharingan since part 1 and it makes her think shes in love with sasuke!

No but really what if something stupid like that happened.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:58 PM

QUOTE (zatheko @ Dec 16 2012, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guys i understand now, it's so obvious, sakura is just under a genjustsu from the sharingan since part 1 and it makes her think shes in love with sasuke!

No but really what if something stupid like that happened.

I guess not laugh.gif

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

For me, 539 & 540 are very tricky to be honest and at first when I saw it, I was aah, clearly, Sakura loves Sasuke.
However, after a second, third read, I kinda perceived it differently.

539 ==> the letter nin guy comes along, tells her he wants to give the letter of love, etc. Sakura's reaction there is so calm and genuine when she says to him that "there's already someone else she...", once again intentionally left out.
When it has been like genuinely talk about her feelings and be ok with it? When did she left her heart open? When Naruto was around.
So in 539 we have a Sakura.

540 ==> Now, to 540 I found different translations (Gosh, this is so hard). In one, the nin letter guy says that "if it's someone you like " then they're bound to be a great person.
Now, see... like doesn't equal love. So we have a Sakura thinking at Sasuke. "Yeah, I like him but he's not such a great guy" or fairly "He's not the great guy I used to like".

The second one "He must be a really great guy if you're in love with him" and afterwards we have Sakura thinking at Sasuke and the same way can be "Yeah, he's not the great guy I used to love"...

Also, that phrase with "the other guy" introduced there and afterwards Sakura thinking at Sasuke can fairly mean "Yeah, the other guy that I'm in love with is not such a great guy as it used to be" and this could come as a opposite thing.
Meaning the guy she is in love with (the genuine expression in 539) is Naruto, but the other guy she's in love with would be Sasuke and her realizing that he's not that great guy she used to love in Part 1.

Dunno if you guys understand what I'm saying as I suck at explanations, but hope you get the idea somehow.

Yes, she was thinking at Sasuke, but those (...) can be interpreted in so many ways and I think that Kishi intentionally let that out, not to mention how 539 and 540 portray Sakura. It's like we have two different Sakuras.
They come in opposition with one another.

So yeah, this is very tricky.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:09 PM

lol this thread is like a rollercoaster!! D: some posts drops my hopes for NS and others just increase my hopes of them being canon .. /confused arg.gif

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:16 PM

I don't see Sakura getting over Sasuke now as illogical or anything near the sort. Kishi made Sakura to reflect human weakness - and thus she suffers from our daily flaws. Her being in love with Sasuke despite the pain it brings her is painfully human. I know girls who stick in relationships with guys that cheat on them, for numerous reasons. A lot of the time because they either think no one else will love them, they deserve to be treated poorly (sad I know) or they don't know how to get over the guy and move on.

Sakura having difficulty getting over Sasuke is perfectly normal. Even her behaviors at the Kage Summit were normal. She was trying to do something selfless for once but failed and then made another mistake. As a result, she's lacking confidence for the time being. She comes off as mellow because she's afraid to mess up again. She acts like she's not sure how to feel about anything anymore but as per her character - she'll never truly show it and instead she'll keep smiling. This is something Ino and Naruto know about her - Kakashi too.

I think it's sad for anyone to not see the humanity in Sakura. Kishi's stuck by that aspect to her almost flawlessly. She has feelings for Naruto and they are obvious - however, she feels bad because of constantly being reminded of Sasuke and her feelings for him. She doesn't want to hurt anyone anymore so she's trying to just believe in them - hoping things will get better.

This is the reality of love triangles. Choosing between two possible love interests is NEVER easy. Movies and shows and books try to make them seem like a breeze but feelings are involved here. Hearts are involved. Bonds are at stake. Love is never easy.

This is why I can truly see Naruto ending up with Sakura. Because of the human aspect of her character to counter Naruto whose lived a life no one would've ever imagined.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Dec 16 2012, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol this thread is like a rollercoaster!! D: some posts drops my hopes for NS and others just increase my hopes of them being canon .. /confused arg.gif


Hahah, NaruSaku have always been like this, like a rollercoaster. biggrin.gif
Now they're calm, next time they "kill" each other, they laugh, then they cry, then they comfort each other, then they kill each other once more but in the end they both smile together. smile.gif

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:32 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Dec 16 2012, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your are not only upset with someone who tried to kill you 2 times. Also she didint state that she loves sasuke, she said theres someone else.
She didnt even say a name. After that she thinks about sasuke with flames in the background and looks sad. For me thats no posetive scene for SS, its a negative.
A clear indicator of this is, that the lovernin said that comment before her thinking of sasuke.


You're reaching.

"There's someone else that I love." The following chapter then shows that she was clearly talking about Sasuke. Her statement is no different from saying "I love Sasuke." There's no need to tell the Lover nin the exact name- its none of his business, really. For the readers and Sakura herself, whose she is speaking about is clear.

I don't have a problem with the belief that Sakura is upset about Sasuke, in fact that's what I feel like the scene demonstrates. It could very well make Sakura revalue his character, and later on if its actually OK to like the sort of person he became. However for me, the question on if she's starting to lose romantic interest is not being challenged in 540.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Dec 16 2012, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're reaching.

"There's someone else that I love." The following chapter then shows that she was clearly talking about Sasuke. Her statement is no different from saying "I love Sasuke." There's no need to tell the Lover nin the exact name- its none of his business, really. For the readers and Sakura herself, whose she is speaking about is clear.

I don't have a problem with the belief that Sakura is upset about Sasuke, in fact that's what I feel like the scene demonstrates. It could very well make Sakura revalue his character, and later on if its actually OK to like the sort of person he became. However for me, the question on if she's starting to lose romantic interest is not being challenged in 540.

To be honest, i dont know any other reason to show a scene like that in the middle of a war, than to show her feelings for sasuke in a bad light. SO with that he can build up on sakuras feelings in the future chapters.
With that chapter noone can say that the change of sakuras feelings was totally offtopic

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:48 PM

You know, it's pretty sad that to think when Sakura had a flashback about Sasuke before delivering the final blow (Kage Summit Arc), it's hardly memorable because there's no real love at all. We all saw it as first crush that never went anywhere, the fact that her relationship with Sasuke stopped at part 1. Her relationship with Naruto is still going on and only gets better. You can fill double page of Sakura's flashback about Naruto. I'm not kidding. That's the problem. The irony will be that NS has all the factors to make a story that turns into love, written by the guy who believes he can't write a good one yet in the end, he choose SS.

Let's be honest. I tried my best to be non-biased but the fact is that SS being canon will be the middle finger to all, NH being canon will be rushed and shoved in the last minute, and NS being canon will be acceptable at the very least. You can say, "Well Sakura beat him up, blah blah blah," but fact is that they received the most developments and it will be no surprise to the general audience. I'm sorry, but don't surprise if you feel the same way. Yes, the current situation is underway, but even if NH becomes canon now, the result remains the same. There's no room for her anymore once the Team 7 center starts and it's been planted for a while.

Honestly, Obito's love life is more reasonable than Sakura and Hinata. It's unfair to put these two on the top in terms of who matters more when it comes feeling. Granted, Naruto respects her and places her feelings over his, but this is the key to a special reward when you least expected. I have seen dozens of time that works this way. Naruto is not only the main character, but his theme centers around not quitting and earn through hard work. We all know Sakura is not a trophy, but again, it's all because we lack of better word to describe this achievement. It's not like it would go down as "I'm the Hokage! Wait a minute! Oh, Sakura-chan just became my girlfriend!" No, recap every shows in the world and for the most part, they're not treated as a prize, rather fate brought them together. I'll be damned of Naruto take a back seat on his feelings, let alone changing them. This arc right now can kill one pairing. We just wait and see where this is heading.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:49 PM

Seems more like he's building up tension so everyone's feelings can be resolved. Like Sasuke's with Itachi for example. This last arc will answer everything.

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Let's be honest. I tried my best to be non-biased but the fact is that SS being canon will be the middle finger to all, NH being canon will be rushed and shoved in the last minute, and NS being canon will be acceptable at the very least. You can say, "Well Sakura beat him up, blah blah blah," but fact is that they received the most developments and it will be no surprise to the general audience. I'm sorry, but don't surprise if you feel the same way. Yes, the current situation is underway, but even if NH becomes canon now, the result remains the same. There's no room for her anymore once the Team 7 center starts and it's been planted for a while.


I've been non-biased about this manga and I agree with you. I was more into SasuNaru at first but seeing the NS bond I plugged them into an OT3 lol

NH may be the fan loved pairing (I guess) but the manga isn't showing any hints to that. Kiba's statement may have been a fan shoutout or whatever, but it doesn't really bother me at all - maybe at first but after talking with some Kiba fans, they've all confirmed it was Kiba being Kiba. I went to non-biased fans too - you know, the ones that don't like any pairs? Majority of them all (including myself before I became a fan) agreed that NS is more likely.

I reread this manga and saw nothing but NS development topped off with some drama to mix it up. For Kishi to change is mind out of nowhere is possible I will admit, but unlikely. Especially after he was behind the RTN movie which was NS x 100.

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Naruto is not only the main character, but his theme centers around not quitting and earn through hard work. We all know Sakura is not a trophy, but again, it's all because we lack of better word to describe this achievement. It's not like it would go down as "I'm the Hokage! Wait a minute! Oh, Sakura-chan just became my girlfriend!" No, recap every shows in the world and for the most part, they're not treated as a prize, rather fate brought them together. I'll be damned of Naruto take a back seat on his feelings, let alone changing them.


QFT.

NaruSaku isn't going to be forced, it will be natural and while some may not like everything that's happened, I'm sure that in the end everything will be cleared up.

Edited by {Jade~Rabbit}, 16 December 2012 - 09:58 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:54 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Dec 16 2012, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be honest, i dont know any other reason to show a scene like that in the middle of a war, than to show her feelings for sasuke in a bad light. SO with that he can build up on sakuras feelings in the future chapters.
With that chapter noone can say that the change of sakuras feelings was totally offtopic


One thing I'm worried about is it seems like Kishi's only making her important for the pairing stuff. Her importance to the plot, nowadays, is almost all about who she'll end up with. So I don't really think bringing up Sasuke is offtopic for her character. Outside of Team 7 matters (which haven't been given that much spotlight recently) her relevance is pairings.

I love Sakura, but she's not getting what she deserves as the main female from this manga. In the Sasori days, she was an action girl. Not so much now. Maybe Kishi will change this soon, but from the way he's putting her in the background I'm in doubt.




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