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#6661 swagosaurus

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:18 PM

Is her love really that stubborn? Compared to Hinata's, it takes a back-seat in her character (for the most part. In part 1, it was her character). It's nothing like Hinata, where it completely consumes her thoughts.

Plus, she's already put Naruto above Sasuke multiple times. I do see that it's annoying that she still loves him, but hell, it's already been implied she shares those feelings for Naruto as well, and that she's confused about herself.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 16 2012, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then i cant come with with any acceptable scenario where NH becomes canon. Kishi has made Hinata's love for Naruto so stubborn that any scenario for NH to become canon are closing one after another. That is Kishi's flaw in the romance subplot. If NH were to become canon it will be hard for me to swallow it. She's a Goddess, and only a God would be befitting to her high standards now. That is the price of keeping the tension on high in the romance of this story.

Naruto will meet Sasuke again on this arc and Sakura will be there.


Why thank you. You can glady use my argument in regards to NH as well. It's not like I highly favor one pairing over the other anyway.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 16 2012, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't possibly come up with any acceptable scenario where NS becomes canon. Kishi has made Sakura's love for Sasuke so stubborn that any scenario for NS to become canon are closing one after another. That is Kishi's flaw in the romance subplot. If NS were to become canon it will be hard for me to swallow it. She's a Goddess, and only a God would be befitting to her high standards now. That is the price of keeping the tension on high in the romance of this story.

Fair enough. I understand what you mean. I'll wait until the very end to really judge everything as a whole.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 16 2012, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is her love really that stubborn? Compared to Hinata's, it takes a back-seat in her character (for the most part. In part 1, it was her character). It's nothing like Hinata, where it completely consumes her thoughts.

Plus, she's already put Naruto above Sasuke multiple times. I do see that it's annoying that she still loves him, but hell, it's already been implied she shares those feelings for Naruto as well, and that she's confused about herself.


It's still stubborn because she has no reason to still loving sasuke the same works to hinata which she still loves Naruto when almost everyone on the village knows that naruto loves sakura, and naruto does not even love her, and moreover even Naruto loves for Sakura is in a way stubborn because he has a lot of reasons to stop loving her, like she still loving Sasuke, she lied to him to try to deal with sasuke alone putting her life in danger, and even there was a time that i thought she never could love him.
That was my first impression of that sakura's confession when naruto said "she loves him too much" that was painfull for him too.
He still loves her, all this pairing drama is stubborn the fact that i support NS is because it's the best pairing out of all the three., becuase it might have a chance of her loving naruto because of so many hints but those hints were not developed yet and for a reason to keep the kittening drama, but the cost of this was the romantic subplot having it's quality decreased.

IF needs to close sakura behavior towards sasuke, or develop her hints of her loving naruto, then it will be possible to come up with a scenario, actually there's no scenario for any pairing.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:33 PM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 16 2012, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is her love really that stubborn? Compared to Hinata's, it takes a back-seat in her character (for the most part. In part 1, it was her character). It's nothing like Hinata, where it completely consumes her thoughts.

Plus, she's already put Naruto above Sasuke multiple times. I do see that it's annoying that she still loves him, but hell, it's already been implied she shares those feelings for Naruto as well, and that she's confused about herself.


By stubborn I don't mean like constant thoughts of Sasuke 24/7. What I mean is by giving Sakura all these blatant opportunities to let Sasuke go, but she simply doesn't, and people's argument for this reason is because of the tension. But it is that very tension that is making it more and more unacceptable for NS to become canon.

And while she may have put Naruto above Sasuke in dire situations, the fact still remains that her heart belongs to Sasuke, not Naruto. And that, my friend, is the ugly yet unrealistic truth. It has been implied that she does share some feelings for Naruto, but that was ages ago. The longer it takes for Kishi to actually follow up on that, while still having Sakura love Sasuke over Naruto, the more illogical and sad it becomes.

Edited by luffyq1, 16 December 2012 - 03:39 PM.

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#6666 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 16 2012, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By stubborn I don't mean like constant thoughts of Sasuke 24/7. What I mean is by giving Sakura all these blatant opportuinties to let Sasuke go, but she simply doesn't, and people's argument for this reason is because of the tension. But it is that very tension that is making it more and more unacceptable for NS to become canon.

And while she may have put Naruto above Sasuke in dire situations, the fact still remains that her heart belongs to Sasuke, not Naruto. And that, my friend, is the ugly yet unrealistic truth. It has been implied that she does share some feelings for Naruto, but that was ages ago. The longer it takes for Kishi to actually follow up on that, while still having Sakura love Sasuke over Naruto, the more ilogical and sad it becomes.


Agreed, it's kinda unlogic that she choose Naruto above Sasuke on all situations( not in dire but all) but she still loves Sasuke. ( but it's still a demostrating of her feelings for Naruto).
Another unlogic is if her love is still the same as you claim, why she did not kill Karin and go with Sasuke, this time was different what keeps her unable to do that and go with sasuke is because of Naruto.

That confession, her shouting only Naruto's name in that clash, even on this war arc too, on that chapter it's kinda so retarded that is really keeping the drama, but i do think that NS will be canon.
I just cant come up with an scenario because of this drama, actually is impossible to come with any scenario for any pairing to be canon.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2012 - 03:40 PM.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:46 PM

I feel like that it's really up to Sakura to decide that. That's why a lot of people kept saying that she holds the answer to everything. She still loves Sasuke. Can it change? Sure. Can it stay the same? Sure, regardless of how bad it sounds. The point is it's her call to this whole drama. If she loves Sasuke in the end, well welcome back to chapter 3, now at age 16. Well, she will respect Naruto but the whole love triangle will forever be unresolved, that Kishi might as well leave it open ending. Yes, the way to make NS canon is tricky and hard, which is why I said that and Sasuke's redemption are the hardest task that Kishi has to do. I'm not saying he will fail to deliver or he will satisfy all of us, but he needs to make a move soon now that we are at near end.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 16 2012, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I feel like that it's really up to Sakura to decide that. That's why a lot of people kept saying that she holds the answer to everything. She still loves Sasuke. Can it change? Sure. Can it stay the same? Sure, regardless of how bad it sounds. The point is it's her call to this whole drama. If she loves Sasuke in the end, well welcome back to chapter 3, now at age 16. Well, she will respect Naruto but the whole love triangle will forever be unresolved, that Kishi might as well leave it open ending. Yes, the way to make NS canon is tricky and hard, which is why I said that and Sasuke's redemption are the hardest task that Kishi has to do. I'm not saying he will fail to deliver or he will satisfy all of us, but he needs to make a move soon now that we are at near end.


I wont believe in on open ending because the closure of the characters are not done yet, Sakura will be the first to have a closure, not on the end probably will be on the war arc, the end of this war arc and after their meeting with Sasuke will decide everything, Naruto maybe redeem Sasuke but he will not stay on the village because of his comrades ( Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo) in other words sasuke wont return to team 7.
Well i said i cant describe the scenario is because i cant describe how it will be, for NS to happen is not hard or tricky because half of this is already been resolved, the fact that kishi give feelings for Naruto on Sakura, feelings that is beyond friendship but at the same time he weakened her feelings for Sasuke but they are still there keeping the drama.

Her feelings for sasuke now made her sad and suffer which is unlogic if she suffer too much because of sasuke she would have already terminate but not the drama keeps it up, just look at Karin which is going after sasuke she still didnt show up to sasuke reason : drama.
That why i say just wait he will resolve this soon.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2012 - 03:55 PM.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 16 2012, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wont believe in on open ending because the closure of the characters are not done yet, Sakura will be the first to have a closure, not on the end probably will be on the war arc, the end of this war arc and after their meeting with Sasuke will decide everything, Naruto maybe redeem Sasuke but he will not stay on the village because of his comrades ( Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo) in other words sasuke wont return to team 7.
Well i said i cant describe the scenario is because i cant describe how it will be, for NS to happen is not hard or tricky because half of this is already been resolved, the fact that kishi give feelings for Naruto on Sakura, feelings that is beyond friendship but at the same time he weakened her feelings for Sasuke but they are still there keeping the drama.

Fair enough.

You think Sakura's love will be resolved before or after Sasuke's redemption? Or more like, you think she will finalize her answer once and for all, like pretty much write SS on stone, regardless Sasuke won't love her back like that.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 16 December 2012 - 03:56 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:00 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 16 2012, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fair enough.

You think Sakura's love will be resolved before or after Sasuke's redemption? Or more like, you think she will finalize her answer once and for all, like pretty much write SS on stone, regardless Sasuke won't love her back like that.

before for obvious reasons that i stated before.

Keeping the drama until the last chapter will destroy the romance subplot.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:01 PM

This is one of the reasons why my drive for NS has simply plummeted. While yes the evidence does support NS in actually happening, it's the amount of push that it's getting for it to actually happen, and I'm regarding this to Sasuke's actions. Having Sakura still love Sasuke all for the tension, while at the expense of making NS become canon more and more unacceptable to me. How will Kishi make me swallow it now? By possibly jamming it down my throat.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:06 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 16 2012, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is one of the reasons why my drive for NS has simply plummeted. While yes the evidence does support NS in actually happening, it's the amount of push that it's getting for it to actually happen, and I'm regarding this to Sasuke's actions. Having Sakura still love Sasuke all for the tension, while at the expense of making NS become canon more and more unacceptable to me. How will Kishi make me swallow it now? By possibly jamming it down my throat.

Actually he is keeping the tension for everyone even Karin, while she says she's though with sasuke but she still holds a picture of him and is going after him instead of trying to continue her life.

He's not going to make us swallow it but he will make a definition about her feelings for sasuke, and will give an huge hint(regarding NS) in this very same battle becuase of Obito, after this hint and sasuke's meeting( NS will have a lot of scenarios to come), we will have one arc, and i think it will start with a major focus on sasuke.

Sasuke's redemption will not have any effect on sakura, maybe he will be paired with Ino but i do belive only one pairing will be canon.

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excuse me but there was a topic on this how kishi ll make ns cannon. you can see it . warning it may be either shoking or s**king or you can discuss it here.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:15 PM

Perhaps it would have been better if 540 never happened; if we were left guessing who Sakura really loves.

But honestly, I could see it fixed easily. Sakura needs to figure out her priorities. Perhaps her truly, truly seeing Naruto in danger will cause NS to become canon; her feelings for him are always brought out in those moments.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:19 PM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 16 2012, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps it would have been better if 540 never happened; if we were left guessing who Sakura really loves.

But honestly, I could see it fixed easily. Sakura needs to figure out her priorities. Perhaps her truly, truly seeing Naruto in danger will cause NS to become canon; her feelings for him are always brought out in those moments.


I think something similar to this could happen on next chapters but not like this, but it will not determine if it will canon or not, because the drama will still not be resolved

@narulsaku we are not discussing on how NS will be canon because it's impossible to come up with a scenario, thanks to all this pairing drama; but NS will be canon, i would be concerned if sasuke show feelings for sakura or naruto show hints for hinata which none of this happened in whole 600 chapters, NS is likely to be canon and the only thning that does not let it happen now is the drama.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:24 PM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 16 2012, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps it would have been better if 540 never happened; if we were left guessing who Sakura really loves.

But honestly, I could see it fixed easily. Sakura needs to figure out her priorities. Perhaps her truly, truly seeing Naruto in danger will cause NS to become canon; her feelings for him are always brought out in those moments.

yup. hey it may be happen in the fight between naruto and sasuke. or like said in the quote in some battle when naruto gets very badly injured.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 16 2012, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think something similar to this could happen on next chapters but not like this, but it will not determine if it will canon or not, because the drama will still not be resolved

@narulsaku we are not discussing on how NS will be canon because it's impossible to come up with a scenario, thanks to all this pairing drama; but NS will be canon, i would be concerned if sasuke show feelings for sakura or naruto show hints for hinata which none of this happened in whole 600 chapters, NS is likely to be canon and the only thning that does not let it happen now is the drama.

I think its easy to predict how its going to happen.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:19 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 16 2012, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is one of the reasons why my drive for NS has simply plummeted. While yes the evidence does support NS in actually happening, it's the amount of push that it's getting for it to actually happen, and I'm regarding this to Sasuke's actions. Having Sakura still love Sasuke all for the tension, while at the expense of making NS become canon more and more unacceptable to me. How will Kishi make me swallow it now? By possibly jamming it down my throat.

It depends on how good do you think Kishi is at explaining reveals.

For example, what's your opinion on Tobi being revealed as Obito and subsequent flashbacks that explained how that was possible? Did you find it well done? Did you hate it? Was it just ok?

That would give you an idea of what you can expect about story development from Kishi. In my opinion I think the Obito flashback were good, I think they could've been even better but I liked them nonetheless. Although given that we still don't know why Kakashi had to kill Rin we could still get even more background on the events which would make the flow of the story improve even more.

I think initial impressions of Kishi's story development might be hard to take, but I think he has a way to make everything fit together by the end in a very satisfactory way.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Dec 16 2012, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think its easy to predict how its going to happen.

No it's not i prefer for him to resolve the drama first then it will be possible to predict how it will end, this whole naruto vs sasuke then sakura heals only naruto and say those things it's illogical, because she did that before or almost the same and she still loves sasuke.
I prefer her to resolver this whole sasuke stuff way before, and then give a big hint about NS it can happen before she resolves the sasuke stuff or after i dont care, then it comes up to canon after sasuke's redemption.

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How will Kishi make me swallow it now? By possibly jamming it down my throat.

Well it will be swallow if he make the NS canon without resolving the drama first.
But since we are at the manga climax so it's understable that you think this way.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2012 - 06:05 PM.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:24 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 16 2012, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No it's not i prefer for him to resolve the drama first then it will be possible to predict how it will end, this whole naruto vs sasuke then sakura heals only naruto and say those things it's illogical, because she did that before or almost the same and she still loves sasuke.
I prefer her to resolver this whole sasuke stuff way before, and then give a big hint about NS it can happen before she resolves the sasuke stuff or after i dont care, then it comes up to canon after sasuke's redemption.

I can see many other ways of NS happening.

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