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[Chatte]

Only first half, pretty much the part where everyone stared at him. The anime added her being there. My point is that she remembers that, so anime seems like it suggested that she was there as we all think so too.

Oh, I see.
Thanks for the enligthment

[luffyq1]

To the NS fandom, anything NH related as of now is just nothing but tension builder. The arguments I'm reading from some of you is that it would be boring if Sakura just started liking Naruto now. Hinata is just one of the many people who's apparent obsessive problem is finally being resolved since this manga is coming towards an end. I understand where you guys are coming from, I honestly do.

But, to the NH fandom, anything NH related as of now is the setup to NH actually becoming canon since this manga is coming towards an end. They see the recent NH interaction and/or singular thoughts of that person pertaining to NH throughout the war as an act of Kishi telling them to wait patiently for their arrival. They see the lack of Naruto's feelings being brought to light, and the surge of Hinata's feelings being brought to light as a change in Naruto's heart. I understand where they're coming from as well.

So here's what I can draw from this conclusion based on NS mind: Kishi is trolling the NH fandom into believing that their pair is going to become canon. There is no reason for Kishi to just simply disregard all the hints, parallels, foreshadows, development, themes, and many more in favor of the ever so loud fandom that is NH.

Here's what I can draw from this conclusion based on NH mind: Kishi is finally going to have Hinata's seemingly sole purpose of this manga to finally capture her mans heart to come to fruition. This has been a long time coming for them too, and Kishi is not just going to break lady Hinata's pure heart to simply have her pushed aside for a girl who truly doesn't deserve Naruto's selfless love. NaruSaku's hints, parallels, foreshadows, development, themes, and many more all went down the drain in that awkward confession.

If NS becomes canon you all will celebrate for all you have endured along with Naruto to finally see Sakura return his feelings in a positive light. But at the same time the NH fandom will be pissed off because they think Kishi was just leading them on.

If NH becomes canon the fandom will celebrate for finally have Hinata's onesided feelings be returned in a positive light. But you guys will be pissed as well because Kishi disregared all that he has crammed into Naruto & Sakura's relationship.

Whatever happens it's going to cause major problems for both fandoms and possibly Kishi as well.

Edited by luffyq1, 16 December 2012 - 04:33 AM.

[Qia]

I agree that the flashbacks would be nice, if Sakura does get her year that is. It would help to explain so much. I can also see us getting more reasons if Naruto still decides to tell her after this whole thing is over.

And when it comes to who ends up with who causing problems for Kishi, I really don't think it would be that serious. =/. Of course I expect certain people to overreact...but in general I'm pretty sure people will remember that it's just a story. At least...I hope so.

[luffyq1]

And when it comes to who ends up with who causing problems for Kishi, I really don't think it would be that serious. =/. Of course I expect certain people to overreact...but in general I'm pretty sure people will remember that it's just a story. At least...I hope so.

If you were to read the disgusting death threaths that I've come across from both fandoms, I'm sure you would retract that statement.

Edited by luffyq1, 16 December 2012 - 05:02 AM.

[Codus N]

Thanks for liking the idea. It is possible still. I find it interesting that back in the beginning of part 2, Naruto line-up his precious people when compare to Gaara, but the thing is he imaged his precious at their certain age. Looking back, Sakura and Sasuke are at their 8 years old look. Then, his friends (K9) are in their 12/13 years old look. It may be looking too much, granted, but I don't know. What if he did make a contact with 8 years old Sakura long time ago? It's a possibility, but time will tell. Even Sakura flashback one small moment that Naruto was hated by villagers, indicating that she was present to see that happen and she knows that Naruto suffered that. Again, a wishful thinking, but Naruto's backstory is possible, so you can't let that idea go easily.

Just checked that chapter and you're right. Maybe Sakura did and was one of the few people who interacted with Naruto while in the academy, maybe she did something for Naruto back then and it was something Naruto cherished greatly even now. Sadly, Sakura actually forgot all about it. The revelation will probably be very emotional.

[Qia]

If you were to read the disgusting death threaths that I've come across from both fandoms, I'm sure you would retract that statement.

Oh...haven't ran across any yet ;-;. But honestly...wow. I don't think it should be Kishi's problem though. It wouldn't be his fault. The best he can do is remind everyone that's it's just a story, but beyond that it's...sorta out of his hands and should not be his problem.

[luffyq1]

Oh...haven't ran across any yet ;-;. But honestly...wow. I don't think it should be Kishi's problem though. It wouldn't be his fault. The best he can do is remind everyone that's it's just a story, but beyond that it's...sorta out of his hands and should not be his problem.

You're right, it's not his problem. But it doesn't change that it could possibly cause major problems. Need I remind you of the ugly fact that the trigger of a suicide was because an anime character named Itachi died.

Edited by luffyq1, 16 December 2012 - 05:26 AM.

[Weltall]

Oh thank you luffy for your great perspective. Honestly I think your opinion is terrible and makes no sense at all but if you wanna believe it go on you're not gonna change my mind especially with the terrible arguments you give, there was a time I read NH and SS arguments and seeing how terrible they were how little to no sense they made I made my own mind .
Let's be clear here dude, pairings fans are just a minority of the Naruto fandom majority of the fandom doesn't care at all about pairings and read the manga for the fights.
Yes I do think and I'm SURE that all the so called nH moments are just there to resolve Hinata's character.
If NS doesn't happen I wouldn't really care because my life is more important than a pairing in a manga I consider at best below average but I like to bet on what is the author's intent and that's why I'll stick to it.
Now seriously reading your spam convinced me more and more (trailers !!! lol) that I'm on the right track I almost forgot how bad NH and SS arguments thanks for reminding me.

Edited by Weltall, 16 December 2012 - 05:34 AM.

[Qia]

You're right, it's not his problem. But it doesn't change that it could possibly cause major problems. Need I remind you of the ugly fact that the trigger of a suicide was because an anime character named Itachi died.

But if he already knows how he wants to end his story, and it's not in a way someone would like it, then what else can he do? =/ He's not just going to change things, unless he leaves it open for the reader to guess how it ends. Which would be...less problematic but UGH.

[Atheck]

Honestly, the succeeding and failure of pairings would be impactful for the fanbase but for it to generate death threats and suicides? That's taking something to the ultimate extreme. I would question anyone's mental health if they suggested such things. Because while manga pairings can be important to alot of people, myself included, it's not the end of the world if you don't get your way. Granted I would personally lose alot of respect for Kishi if he didn't go through with the pairing that has had the most development but it wouldn't absolutely destroy me. It would just be depressing for awhile before I shifted my focus to something else in my life to try and get it off of my mind.

[Weltall]

Man I didn't read the 30 pages since luffy began his meltdown and how he wants to teach people about what's right and wrong, just little bit here and there but is there a good argument in all of that ?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Just checked that chapter and you're right. Maybe Sakura did and was one of the few people who interacted with Naruto while in the academy, maybe she did something for Naruto back then and it was something Naruto cherished greatly even now. Sadly, Sakura actually forgot all about it. The revelation will probably be very emotional.

Thank you. It make sense for Iruka and Kakashi as Iruka has been looking that way for a while and for Kakashi, he met him when they are formed as a team. Sasuke, of course, make sense since we already had flashbacks that they met as little kids. So who knows. It could be interesting to see if the idea can come true. After all, the next phase after this big battle would most likely focus a lot on Naruto along with Team 7. I feel like Naruto will be the main focus in the end. Maybe the "Naruto has to wait" can be applied to this. We'll see.

As for threats and such, I don't know about that if NH isn't that popular in Japan. Perhaps if we know his address, then perhaps he will get it. Who knows. The top comments about why people loves Naruto say otherwise. I don't think Kishi is afraid of this. The least he can do is to provide fanservice, but nothing game changing. That's normal.

[luffyq1]

But if he already knows how he wants to end his story, and it's not in a way someone would like it, then what else can he do? =/ He's not just going to change things, unless he leaves it open for the reader to guess how it ends. Which would be...less problematic but UGH.

You're right. Maybe the best possible solution would be to leave it open ended. As much as I want to see the reaction from both fandoms when it comes to the final pairing, I don't want to see a similar repeat of that suicide. People invest too much emtional time into their pairing that it gets pretty scary.

Edited by luffyq1, 16 December 2012 - 06:05 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

It's absolutely amazing how many people interpret so many things differently when it comes to pairings in any fandom. It doesn't matter what Kishi does, NOT EVERYONE will be completely content. Period. There's always going to be those fans who throw rage fits on the internet, email death threats to Kishimoto, and burn all of their Naruto manga volumes because 'x' didn't become canon (Examples: " If NS becomes canon, I will literally burn the Naruto pages. ", " Kishi is on crack if he makes NH/SS canon.") I personally think all of this shouldn't matter. There just pairings. There's much more to Naruto than pairings (Which some NS/NH/SS fans really don't see). Ultimately, Kishi's biggest troll would probably to not make any couple canon. But we both know if he did that, Kishimoto wouldn't live past a week of the last chapter's release (j/k. Or am I?)

And reading Luffy's paragraph if NH happens really highlights how out of place and random that pairing is. It's true. Lately we have been getting emphasis on Hinata's increasingly annoying feelings for Naruto (Geez . I wish she wasn't so obsessive over him ... it's get borderline stalker scary) which I can ... understand (Had trouble typing that out). With NaruSaku, it arguably hasn't gotten much focus since the Kage Summit Arc. What a disaster that was. True, we could mention MinaKushi and ObiRin parallels but it wasn't direct focus. Could NH become canon? Unfortunately, yes. Kishi could do whatever he wants. But the problem here is that NH has a distinct lack of Naruto reciprocating. He cares about her quite obviously but what type of evidence is shown that he actually likes likes her? Not much at all besides a nice guy confidence builder moment he had with Hinata but he easily does that to all of his friends. It's suddenly different because it's Hinata? And then there's Kiba's comment that caused everyone to go batsh*t on this forum (Everywhere, actually). It could be taken as a subtle hint his feelings might be changing (Emphasis on the word might) but wouldn't Naruto have been seen as a bit more embarassed? Like he was when Sai point-blank asked Naruto if he loved Sakura or supposedly in the movie 6 where Kushina asked him that he was trying to show off in front of Sakura? He wasn't in the Hinata situation. What does that say here?

NaruSaku seems more likely because due Sakura's poweful feelings for him (Romantic or not remains to be open to debate. But at the very least she's attracted to him. Her feelings have been implied to be romantic more than once), parallels, how Naruto still loves Sakura so far, and Saku's feelings have the highest probability of changing. Because of two reasons: 1). Sasuke is a terrible person. She hates loving a terrible person. 2). She's spent all lot of time with Naruto in Part 2, while interaction with Sasuke is been less and always negative. Point blank, we have logic and development on our side. I'm not so worried about the rival pairings. In fact, I'm so ridiculously not worried to the point of almost "What NH? What SS?" I'm actually more worried about no pairings then those two "pairings".

It's funny. One of my close friends agrees with me over this. She's a former Naruto fan, now probably hates it with more than just about anything (Yet knows more about the series than she will ever wanna know xD). She finds almost all of the Naruto characters unlikable (Except Iruka. ) and is major Anti Big 4. To elaborate on her thoughts:

Naruto:"Unrealistic, immature, Sasuke-obsessed dumbass. There's more to life than just Sasuke."
Sakura:"Ungrateful, selfish b*tch who takes Naruto for granted. Also the classical stereotype for an abused victim."
Sasuke:"Selfish, whining kid throwing a fit who is not only incredibly stupid, but incredibly annoying. Needs to be killed immediately." (She hates Sasuke the most )
Hinata:"Overrated, undeveloped. Had potential once upon a time but is now pairing fodder and should just go away."
Kakashi:"Self-pitying character who completely neglected his female student in favor of Sasuke and Naruto; bad teacher."
Itachi: "Confusing, dumb. Turned Sasuke into an even bigger douche. Such an Mary Sue she can't even find him realistic."

With someone with as strong opinions as she has on the Naruto series as a whole, even she grudgingly admitted NaruSaku will be the end pairing. Quoting her: "I really hate to admit this. Sakura doesn't deserve Naruto. Unfortunately, NS is canon." I will never understand why but she thinks NH was almost canon after her confession but now thinks it's dead because Naruto's feelings for Sakura were reaffirmed and ignored her afterwards. Plus, when I told her about Kiba's comment, she explictly said: "The NaruHina fanbase aren't really paying attention. Maybe Kiba said that because Naruto is Hinata's idol. She worships him for kitten's sake! Of course Naruto would wanna look tough. He knows how she feels about him. NH is still not gonna happen. Why can't they just accept that and move on?" I agree with her for once. There you have it. An avid Naruto hater thinks NaruSaku is as good as canon.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 16 December 2012 - 06:10 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

Luffy, you're kinda stating the obvious, there was always going to be blood after one of the pairings became canon.

[Qia]

You're right. Maybe the best possible solution would be to leave it open ended. As much as I want to see the reaction from both fandoms when it comes to the final pairing, I don't want to see a similar repeat of that suicide. People invest too much emtional time into their pairing that it gets pretty scary.

But even if it's left open ended I can still see people having a problem and making death threats. So maybe that won't solve anything either. There really isn't anything you can do when it comes to people's reactions to certain things.

[Zatheko]

You're right. Maybe the best possible solution would be to leave it open ended. As much as I want to see the reaction from both fandoms when it comes to the final pairing, I don't want to see a similar repeat of that suicide. People invest too much emtional time into their pairing that it gets pretty scary.

If he chooses to leave it open ended because of fandoms then he really, really needs to not write anymore, not only would that affect naruto but it would affect other animes as well, if people just need to over react to get there way, then no anime will be safe in the future and people writing stories with there own outcome would be gone. I don't want fans to make the endings for anime/manga I want the authors to be the one to end it how they wan't. So I HOPE he does not leave it open ended just because he is scared of how the fans will react.

[luffyq1]

But even if it's left open ended I can still see people having a problem and making death threats. So maybe that won't solve anything either. There really isn't anything you can do when it comes to people's reactions to certain things.

LoL how silly of me to forget that option. I guess there is really no other way out of this. Man, Kishi has his back up against the wall. I remember how the NH fandom screamed canon when Kiba made that comment. It was spammed so many times to the point of extreme annoyance.

Edited by luffyq1, 16 December 2012 - 06:38 AM.

[Qia]

LoL how silly of me to forget that option. I guess there is really no other way out of this. Man, Kishi has his back up against the wall. I remember how the NH fandom screamed canon when Kiba made that comment. It was spammed so many times to the point of extreme annoyance.

But I don't think Kishi is the only person who's faced with disappointing people. All writers/mangakas/artists/whatever in general will be criticized harshly by some people, and there really isn't anything you can do about that . The only thing they can do is finish their story or finish their work of art the way they want to, because it's theirs.

And well I wouldn't really label it as "NH fandom" because there were a few NHers that didn't see it that way. Personally, I just hate it when people judge a fan based on the fandom/fandom is judged based on a fan so....

Edited by Qia, 16 December 2012 - 06:56 AM.

[tricksie]

Man I didn't read the 30 pages since luffy began his meltdown and how he wants to teach people about what's right and wrong, just little bit here and there but is there a good argument in all of that ?

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