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[narulsaku]

every time of the year. it was like a hobby to kishi. but now i think kishi just want money. DX

[redragon88]

I know this will come off incredibly arrogant, but I don't think I'm wrong. I'm taking it at face value, which doesn't require deep thinking as you're doing. Official trailers are what really gets the viewers attention, and I think since Kishi has no animation skills at all, his own way of drawing the viewers in is by creating that Rtn cover page that has Sasuke all over Sakura and Hinata all over Naruto.

As hungry as the NH fandom are for some Naruto & Hinata interaction, they don't care if Sakura is seen in the background, same as the SS fandom. In the official trailer it's a SS clip and then followed up by NH. That says it all.

You say that you're taking it at face value while I'm thinking to deep into it, but don't you think it might be the reverse? Are you sure that you're not looking too deep into the pairings when it comes to promoting Road to Ninja?

The initial premise of the movie is that Naruto and Sakura are stuck in this weird world where Sasuke flirts with Sakura, and she likes it, while Hinata is aggressive in her liking of Naruto. That's the introductory premise when it comes to how the rookies are in this AU world, therefore is what Kishi deemed necessary to draw before the movie release.

If it was really to misdirect people by promoting SS and NH then we would've seen more promotion of Sakura alone with Sasuke and Naruto alone with Hinata. The only promotion I remember with Sasuke alone with Sakura is when he gives her the rose in the trailers, but at the same time we see another shot of Hinata grabbing Naruto. Those scenes seem more like promoting the changes in personalities than they are about possible pairings.

If it was really about the pairings we would've seen more posters or merchandise with only Sasuke and Sakura, or Hinata and Naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I guess you can say we overthink the advertisements of the movie. It's normal I guess. I just imagine Kishi picking his nose after we told him that his purpose is to show NH and SS being the true possible canon to his work. I don't know if it was truly intentional but oh well. The fact is that we overestimate the possibilities of the movie and turns out it went to our favor. It's funny that I only came to watch the movie as a fan, but hearing NS moments are really icing the cake, from Kishi no less. Honest. Those were good times. I must admit though that we can be really vulnerable when Kishi makes it out to be rooting for NH/SS. I remember that day when this forum was in depression. I was away, but I read countless arguments. I wasn't depressed because I decided to wait. Lucky for all of us, we were surprised.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 15 December 2012 - 06:38 AM.

[luffyq1]

You say that you're taking it at face value while I'm thinking to deep into it, but don't you think it might be the reverse? Are you sure that you're not looking too deep into the pairings when it comes to promoting Road to Ninja?

The initial premise of the movie is that Naruto and Sakura are stuck in this weird world where Sasuke flirts with Sakura, and she likes it, while Hinata is aggressive in her liking of Naruto. That's the introductory premise when it comes to how the rookies are in this AU world, therefore is what Kishi deemed necessary to draw before the movie release.

If it was really to misdirect people by promoting SS and NH then we would've seen more promotion of Sakura alone with Sasuke and Naruto alone with Hinata. The only promotion I remember with Sasuke alone with Sakura is when he gives her the rose in the trailers, but at the same time we see another shot of Hinata grabbing Naruto. Those scenes seem more like promoting the changes in personalities than they are about possible pairings.

If it was really about the pairings we would've seen more posters or merchandise with only Sasuke and Sakura, or Hinata and Naruto.

This is being dragged out to the point of embarrassment, and I grow bored of this already settled topic. Honestly redragon, now you're argument is being directed on how much content and/or merchandise is acceptable to jump to conclusions. You're missing the point. As hungry as they are, the NH/SS fandom don't care how much of their pairings interactions are being thrown in their faces at first glance of the movie months ago. One picture and a official trailer is all it took for the SS/NH fandom to jump for joy and scream canon, and the NS fandom to cry their eyes out.

Screw the level of content and/or merchandise that is being presented. Would this fandom honestly be any different if all they got after that slap in the face of the one picture and the official trailer, were to finally get that NS bridal save picture alone? I certainly don't think so.

Edited by luffyq1, 15 December 2012 - 09:29 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This is being dragged out to the point of embarrassment, and I grow bored of this already settled topic. Honestly redragon, now you're argument is being directed on how much content and/or merchandise is acceptable to jump to conclusions. You're missing the point. As hungry as they are, the NH/SS fandom don't care how much of their pairings interactions are being thrown in their faces at first glance of the movie months ago. One picture and a official trailer is all it took for the SS/NH fandom to jump for joy and scream canon, and the NS fandom to cry their eyes out.

Screw the level of content and/or merchandise that is being presented. Would this fandom honestly be any different if all they got after that slap in the face of the one picture and the official trailer, were to finally get that NS bridal save picture alone? I certainly don't think so.

In the trailer we didnt see sakura's face after the rose, and moreover Hinata grabbing Naruto and he was clearly not liking it, to be a NH fanservice Naruto must show something for Hinata, and it didnt even, even on the face cover we see it, The only fanservice i see was SS on that cover page.
We also got NS fanservice on the one-shot two times, first naruto wanting to see sakura and later he grab her panties accidently.
but still everyone knew that sasuke was a playboy but it sounded like a hipster to me, and he flirts with all the girls.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 December 2012 - 10:53 AM.

[luffyq1]

I guess you can say we overthink the advertisements of the movie. It's normal I guess. I just imagine Kishi picking his nose after we told him that his purpose is to show NH and SS being the true possible canon to his work. I don't know if it was truly intentional but oh well. The fact is that we overestimate the possibilities of the movie and turns out it went to our favor. It's funny that I only came to watch the movie as a fan, but hearing NS moments are really icing the cake, from Kishi no less. Honest. Those were good times. I must admit though that we can be really vulnerable when Kishi makes it out to be rooting for NH/SS. I remember that day when this forum was in depression. I was away, but I read countless arguments. I wasn't depressed because I decided to wait. Lucky for all of us, we were surprised.

Honestly, thank you for this post, it added on to the points i was trying to make. Even a fellow NS fan such as yourself admits to viewing this fandom cry months ago when the movie was being promoted. And even though the movie seemed to look against you, you stood your ground and waited for further light to be shed on this movie. Much respect, Narusaku4Life3g.

I'm done with this topic. Further discussion from me would be pointless.

Edited by luffyq1, 15 December 2012 - 11:34 AM.

[Canadian_DJ]

Guys, seriously; Sakura has been the only one, out of all the K11, shown actually doing something in recent chapters (aside from Ino). She may not be dropping nuclear warheads and slapping the kitten out of Madara, but still; she's doing something.

That's more than we can say for Hinata, at least.

Hahaha i lol'd soo much

[Chucky-kun]

I want tsunade to give Sakura some advice about naruto as her dying wish, I don't know, it just seems right.

[Canadian_DJ]

I think Kishimoto defend Sakura because she's like his wife.
A friend a Kishimoto said once that his wife was very like Sakura.

I think Naruto is created from Kishi's soul.
I think Naruto soul is like Kishi's soul.

It makes so much sense that Naru and Saku are meant for each other.

I just love the level of simplicity this guy has.....

[Don-kun]

I want tsunade to give Sakura some advice about naruto as her dying wish, I don't know, it just seems right.

Living Tsunade but if she has to die then there is nothing I can do, but this is something I also wish to see.
Sakura's VA say something about Sakura haven a conversation with someone in the future, so I'm just waiting for that moment. (That interview might be fake)

[AnaHatakechan]

In western cultures, people hug all the time, i guess thats why they think narusaku hugs aren't significant.

I think thats why. NaruHina is very popular couple in western couples but in Japan it isn't. The NaruHina fan base think that Japan's favourite pairing is NaruHina when in fact the most popular pairing is Kakashi x Iruka. NaruSaku is in fact more popular than NaruHina in Japan.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Honestly, thank you for this post, it added on to the points i was trying to make. Even a fellow NS fan such as yourself admits to viewing this fandom cry months ago when the movie was being promoted. And even though the movie seemed to look against you, you stood your ground and waited for further light to be shed on this movie. Much respect, Narusaku4Life3g.

I'm done with this topic. Further discussion from me would be pointless.

You're welcome. Don't get the wrong idea, I appreciate your opinion and won't try to change your mind on the current situation. I'm here to help few pointers, mainly share my thoughts. Like if someone is down on this pairing, I'll try to help him/her. Opinion, such as NH is canon and NS is dead, is tricky because people really fond of their own pairing. I never my express my dislike in front of them, rather in a place that shares the same taste. I think people in here are not taking the liking of bad news or negative. Some of them of course. We do have a lot of people in here that understands this well, it's just that we aren't try to sound redudent about other pairings. We are focusing NS. Granted we can be positive and making NS is flawless, but we know that it has negative parts as well. Just why bring it up if we already established that. We think what can come next. I guess also, thanks to no emotion expressing in forum, some post can come off as something different, not what you wanted to express. Anyway, that's all I wanted to say.

Before changing topic, I have to address that yes, people can be easily become vulnerable when stuff like this happen. Make no mistake, this happened to many as well, not just NS fandom. I remember one guy who was becoming so down (no, I'm not bullying) that the aftermath of RtN release was against his/her pairing, especially the top 25 comments from the world has 2 NS comments and no other pairing related. So yeah, people are vulnerable. While I understand that, people should always wait because good always come to those wait. I know I did.

[redragon88]

This is being dragged out to the point of embarrassment, and I grow bored of this already settled topic. Honestly redragon, now you're argument is being directed on how much content and/or merchandise is acceptable to jump to conclusions. You're missing the point. As hungry as they are, the NH/SS fandom don't care how much of their pairings interactions are being thrown in their faces at first glance of the movie months ago. One picture and a official trailer is all it took for the SS/NH fandom to jump for joy and scream canon, and the NS fandom to cry their eyes out.

Screw the level of content and/or merchandise that is being presented. Would this fandom honestly be any different if all they got after that slap in the face of the one picture and the official trailer, were to finally get that NS bridal save picture alone? I certainly don't think so.

So you are referring to the fans reaction to the promotion, right? I was actually referring to the perspective of the producers of the movie. I thought that you said that Kishi along with the movie studio purposely promoted SS and NH for the movie.

Here's basically what I thought you're perspective was:

Kishi and movie producers: Hey guys, people love NH and SS way more than NS, so let's advertise that more.

That's what I was disagreeing with. It's completely understandable if the fandom we know gets excited over the trailers, I know I would've if I was an NH/SS fan. But I believe that people would be jumping to conclusion if they think that the plan of Kishi and producers was to purposely promote pairings.

The reason Sasuke and Hinata stood out in the trailers is the same as for why the Akatsuki did so as well, their popularity. Is not the popularity of the pairings, is the popularity of the characters themselves.

I also remember those days before the movie came out, I also kept wondering why we hadn't seen any scenes with Naruto and Sakura together even though they were the main characters in the film. But I knew that in situations like this the only thing you could do was wait because sometimes trailers are not capable of giving you a full understanding of the movie. It's only done for initial impressions.

[swagosaurus]

Reddragon, then why would they show, in the trailers, the only noticeable parts those characters played in the movie, which were fanservice moments for the pairings?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So you are referring to the fans reaction to the promotion, right? I was actually referring to the perspective of the producers of the movie. I thought that you said that Kishi along with the movie studio purposely promoted SS and NH for the movie.

Here's basically what I thought you're perspective was:

Kishi and movie producers: Hey guys, people love NH and SS way more than NS, so let's advertise that more.

That's what I was disagreeing with. It's completely understandable if the fandom we know gets excited over the trailers, I know I would've if I was an NH/SS fan. But I believe that people would be jumping to conclusion if they think that the plan of Kishi and producers was to purposely promote pairings.

The reason Sasuke and Hinata stood out in the trailers is the same as for why the Akatsuki did so as well, their popularity. Is not the popularity of the pairings, is the popularity of the characters themselves.

I also remember those days before the movie came out, I also kept wondering why we hadn't seen any scenes with Naruto and Sakura together even though they were the main characters in the film. But I knew that in situations like this the only thing you could do was wait because sometimes trailers are not capable of giving you a full understanding of the movie. It's only done for initial impressions.

Agree with this, and now he said that kishi is promoting this on the actual manga which is wrong, one of biggest kishimoto failures on shippuuden was the fact that he introduced a lot of new characters and didnt give a development for them and forget about the others he had like the the others on K11, if you dont watch the first part of shippuuden u will ask who's tenten, rock lee beat up sasuke's ass, and was a really strong guy but got forgotten on the shippuuden i never see him fighting on part 2, when i say fighting is he vs against someome.

A fight like shikamaru ino had on part 2, moreover.

About developments this war is only about it, a closure for most of the characters he forgot though the manga, for 400 chapters hinata was still the same as part 1, 0 confidence on herself.
Maybe this will change i dont know.
Shikamaru maybe become a danzou 2.0 but different he will the one that will remain at naruto's side and can get his hands dirty in other words he can do the stuff that Naruto cant do.(Like killing sasukemo)

Sai got his development after understanding what friendship really is.
and much more.
Now what it seems is, Sakura will got her development on the next chapters, kishi already give a lot of hints, tsunade dead(?), naruto with his shoulder dislocated, Obi/Rin, many can disagree but in a certain point of view she is still the same as part 1.

Naruto give confidence on sakura and determination but there are other things missing that Naruto himself cant give it to her.

This is not because of fandoms it's because the plot demands it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 December 2012 - 04:26 PM.

[redragon88]

Reddragon, then why would they show, in the trailers, the only noticeable parts those characters played in the movie, which were fanservice moments for the pairings?

I don't get your question. Are you asking why would they show those specific scenes of Sasuke and Hinata? It's not like they had much to work with.

Sasuke and Hinata are popular so they wanted them to appear in the trailers, but they don't appear much in the movie so is not like they had too many options for what scenes to show in the trailers.

The producers had to show the most popular characters while establishing the personality changes.

- Sasuke is a flirt: show him giving a rose to Sakura
- Hinata is aggressive: show her grabbing onto Naruto's collar

Those are the scenes that made the most sense to show in the trailers.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't get your question. Are you asking why would they show those specific scenes of Sasuke and Hinata? It's not like they had much to work with.

Sasuke and Hinata are popular so they wanted them to appear in the trailers, but they don't appear much in the movie so is not like they had too many options for what scenes to show in the trailers.

The producers had to show the most popular characters while establishing the personality changes.

- Sasuke is a flirt: show him giving a rose to Sakura
- Hinata is aggressive: show her grabbing onto Naruto's collar

Those are the scenes that made the most sense to show in the trailers.

Well to be honest i only enraged with the one-shot first page.
Not because of naruto but because how sakura was portraied and the distance that naruto and sakura had on the first screen, like they could not be paired.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 December 2012 - 04:32 PM.

[Paptala]

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous.

1. The last time I checked, NaruSaku was twice as popular as NaruHina in Japan.

2. Even if showing NH and SS in the trailers was a shout-out to SS and NH's popularity with his fans, that doesn't mean he's gunning for canon with them - KakaIru got a shout-out in his manga as well, and that's definitely not going to become canon.

3. The one-shot cover doesn't show me anything either, because again, it didn't portray NH or SS in a good way. Naruto clearly wants to get away from AU Hinata - there's zero attraction on his part there despite the fact that she is literally grinding her boob into his arm. Sakura being all cow-eyed and gushing over AU Sasuke would appear pro-SS at first glance, but then what does that say about the sincerity of Sakura's love for Sasuke (since this AU Sasuke acts completely differently) and we all know how it turned out in the movie (regarding the sincerity of Sasuke's feeling for Sakura).

4. The content of the movie trumps the content of the trailers, and there's no debating that the movie did not portray NH and SS in any sort of positive light;

Hinata was jealous of Sakura's relationship with Naruto practically the entire time, scared Naruto off, and Naruto showed zero interest in her (not even Menma was shown to have any interest in her, given Minato and Kushina's question/teasing about Menma's/Naruto's feelings for Sakura).

Sakura acted like a fan girl again, blushing and and making cow eyes over this person that looks like Sasuke, but acts nothing like him. If it was meant to be portrayed as serious love on her part, I would have thought her reaction to Sasuke would have been more like Naruto's reaction to his parents - you know, happiness to the point of almost crying? And then Sasuke shows that even in this AU world, he feels nothing more for Sakura romantically than any of his other fan girls, and Sakura is over it soon enough, focusing then on Naruto and her absent parents.

5. The 2 NS comments chosen for the movie, and the lack of any other pairing related comments, also goes to show this movie wasn't about NH or SS at all.

If Kishi was gunning for NH and SS just because they were popular, then logically, he would have made the movie focus on those two relationships after the family bonds, not Naruto and Sakura's (or, conversely, he could have simply left out the romantic hints with NaruSaku - but he didn't).

As for the rest of the arguments regarding the manga, I continue to stand by that NaruSaku has the most support to be canon in the manga overall. Could Kishi change his mind and make NH or SS canon? Of course, its his story and he can do whatever he wants. Does NH have a lot of focus recently? Yes. But again, that doesn't make it the strongest contender when considering all of the evidence in the manga overall. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

NH is certainly possible, as is SS, but the pairings are far from cemented as of yet, and the pairing wars are far from over. Unless someone honestly thinks Kishi is just going to brush Naruto's feelings for Sakura under the rug and forget about them completely and have Naruto fall for Hinata off panel, to be covered in flashbacks?

[Zatheko]

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous.

1. The last time I checked, NaruSaku was twice as popular as NaruHina in Japan.

2. Even if showing NH and SS in the trailers was a shout-out to SS and NH's popularity with his fans, that doesn't mean he's gunning for canon with them - KakaIru got a shout-out in his manga as well, and that's definitely not going to become canon.

3. The one-shot cover doesn't show me anything either, because again, it didn't portray NH or SS in a good way. Naruto clearly wants to get away from AU Hinata - there's zero attraction on his part there despite the fact that she is literally grinding her boob into his arm. Sakura being all cow-eyed and gushing over AU Sasuke would appear pro-SS at first glance, but then what does that say about the sincerity of Sakura's love for Sasuke (since this AU Sasuke acts completely differently) and we all know how it turned out in the movie (regarding the sincerity of Sasuke's feeling for Sakura).

4. The content of the movie trumps the content of the trailers, and there's no debating that the movie did not portray NH and SS in any sort of positive light;

Hinata was jealous of Sakura's relationship with Naruto practically the entire time, scared Naruto off, and Naruto showed zero interest in her (not even Menma was shown to have any interest in her, given Minato and Kushina's question/teasing about Menma's/Naruto's feelings for Sakura).

Sakura acted like a fan girl again, blushing and and making cow eyes over this person that looks like Sasuke, but acts nothing like him. If it was meant to be portrayed as serious love on her part, I would have thought her reaction to Sasuke would have been more like Naruto's reaction to his parents - you know, happiness to the point of almost crying? And then Sasuke shows that even in this AU world, he feels nothing more for Sakura romantically than any of his other fan girls, and Sakura is over it soon enough, focusing then on Naruto and her absent parents.

5. The 2 NS comments chosen for the movie, and the lack of any other pairing related comments, also goes to show this movie wasn't about NH or SS at all.

If Kishi was gunning for NH and SS just because they were popular, then logically, he would have made the movie focus on those two relationships after the family bonds, not Naruto and Sakura's (or, conversely, he could have simply left out the romantic hints with NaruSaku - but he didn't).

As for the rest of the arguments regarding the manga, I continue to stand by that NaruSaku has the most support to be canon in the manga overall. Could Kishi change his mind and make NH or SS canon? Of course, its his story and he can do whatever he wants. Does NH have a lot of focus recently? Yes. But again, that doesn't make it the strongest contender when considering all of the evidence in the manga overall. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

NH is certainly possible, as is SS, but the pairings are far from cemented as of yet, and the pairing wars are far from over. Unless someone honestly thinks Kishi is just going to brush Naruto's feelings for Sakura under the rug and forget about them completely and have Naruto fall for Hinata off panel, to be covered in flashbacks?

I swear if kishi did something like that I'd lose all respect for him.

As for the rest of your post I agree completely, anything IS possible but I'm not ready to give up on NS as canon yet, not when there is so much development through out the whole manga.

[Chatte]

Oh, come on, you can't build-up relationships like that on flashbacks...