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[Torxe]

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Jinbei is definitely on par with the monster trio. That's why I'm worried that he will disrupt the dynamic. I'm not sure whether Sanji, the weakest of the trio, is stronger than Jinbei though.

Well after Jinbei's betrayal the Sun Pirates no longer receive pardon so they have to leave Fishman Island. It has not been confirmed that they have regrouped to form the Sun pirates again so we have to see confirmation from Oda first.

The flashback that was shown in this arc isn't exactly his personal one. Its more about the Sun Pirates in general. We could still get a flashback of his younger days before he joined the Neptune army when he is training in the Fishman Dojo. Though I think its too late for that already.

Yup he does look awesome standing together with the crew, that I must admit.

Big Mam has already taken over the island so unless there's resolution with that Yonkou itself, I don't think the Strawhats will take over even if they did save the island. I have a feeling she'll appear within the next few chapters.

And yeah I agree with Caribou's storage limit. The most important thing is now that he has the Urashima's casket, what will he do with it? My guess would have something to do with Shirahoshi. I mean he was very interested in kidnapping her. He would somehow kidnap the princess and the casket will be used on her somehow. She'll grow older and split her fin. I know it sounds ridiculous but who else would the casket be used upon. I link the "ability to make one older" to "fin splitting at the age of 30" so consequently I linked the casket will be used on a mermaid/man. Right now it is in Caribou's possession and he's interested in the princess so I just connected the dots.

Now that the arc is ending I am definitely very interested to see what's going to happen next. Twists and interesting reveals and happenings usually happen at the end of an arc. Its going to be an awesome new year's cliffhanger. I can just feel it.

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Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall smthng about such a casket. But wouldn't Neptune be more allarmed by its dissapearance if it was actually stolen?Perhaps they stored it away on another place than their treasure.

Even though Big Mom has taken over the island I still think that the Straw Hats will have some role in the further protection of fishman island. Because after Whitebeard (and perhaps Gol D. Roger) they're the first to call themselves friends of fishman island. After all they being protected by Big Mom didn't exactly help to supress hody didn't it?

Also I'm also still doubting if Sanji is stronger than Jinbe (because they fought the same opponent at the same time) that's why I said they are on par.
And wouldn't you think their "dynamic" (not sure if it's correctly used here in english) is already disrupted?

I mean Jinbe fought alongside the straw hats and oda did a great job with the fights. The animation of the combo from Jinbe and Sanji is something I definitely forward to. So I don't see a problem there, it could be that the monster trio becomes the monster quartet (english?) and always takes on the strongest group of four fighters. With Luffy still getting the leader (that's a no brainer) I think Zoro is stronger than Jinbe so he would get the second and Sanji and Jimbe could alternate between the arcs between the third and fourth, or one of these two help Luffy or Zoro with an exceptionally strong foe, or need to protect smthng else entirely.

Edited by Torxe, 01 December 2011 - 07:27 PM.

[Darth Krypt]

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Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall smthng about such a casket. But wouldn't Neptune be more allarmed by its dissapearance if it was actually stolen?Perhaps they stored it away on another place than their treasure.

Even though Big Mom has taken over the island I still think that the Straw Hats will have some role in the further protection of fishman island. Because after Whitebeard (and perhaps Gol D. Roger) they're the first to call themselves friends of fishman island. After all they being protected by Big Mom didn't exactly help to supress hody didn't it?

Also I'm also still doubting if Sanji is stronger than Jinbe (because they fought the same opponent at the same time) that's why I said they are on par.
And wouldn't you think their "dynamic" (not sure if it's correctly used here in english) is already disrupted?

I mean Jinbe fought alongside the straw hats and oda did a great job with the fights. The animation of the combo from Jinbe and Sanji is something I definitely forward to. So I don't see a problem there, it could be that the monster trio becomes the monster quartet (english?) and always takes on the strongest group of four fighters. With Luffy still getting the leader (that's a no brainer) I think Zoro is stronger than Jinbe so he would get the second and Sanji and Jimbe could alternate between the arcs between the third and fourth, or one of these two help Luffy or Zoro with an exceptionally strong foe, or need to protect smthng else entirely.

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Well it was clearly said that it was stolen and Neptune commented that it was better for it to be stolen rather than losing the country a moment ago.

Edit: I just realised that Caribou could be hiding in a barrel on Sunny to get back to the surface. The strawhats will eventually find him and get all the treasure including the casket. Which leads it to being an important part for the next arc.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 01 December 2011 - 10:56 PM.

[Torxe]

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Srr read it on mangastream.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/99312992/8

translation is totally different from the one on mangareader.
Needless to say where I will read the chapters from now on.

About Caribou hiding on the ship of the Straw Hats again; I'll agree I think he'll at least wait to strike until they're able to sail on the surface again.
Or try to get to Luffy while he's recovering.

[harry4e]

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Srr read it on mangastream.
<a href="http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/99312992/8" target="_blank">http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/99312992/8 </a>

translation is totally different from the one on mangareader.
Needless to say where I will read the chapters from now on.

About Caribou hiding on the ship of the Straw Hats again; I'll agree I think he'll at least wait to strike until they're able to sail on the surface again.
Or try to get to Luffy while he's recovering.

Yeah but which one is correct? Might have to start reading both translations, used to do this when there were two scanlations groups doing Naruto, neither were 100% accurate but reading both gave a better idea usually. But I wonder why one mentioned a national trasure and the other completely ignored it?

[Torxe]

Yeah but which one is correct? Might have to start reading both translations, used to do this when there were two scanlations groups doing Naruto, neither were 100% accurate but reading both gave a better idea usually. But I wonder why one mentioned a national trasure and the other completely ignored it?

Personally, I think in this case mangareader is correct.
Because I recall they spoke of smthng among the lines of such an artifact.

I don't think they ignored it but rather mistranslated the chapter.

[Darth Krypt]

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Jinbei's not joining yet. Oda could've at least explain what is the duty he has to fulfill. I still have a weird feeling about this and think that he won't join in the end. The spotlight's on Shirahoshi now with the big reveal that she is actually the ancient weapon Poseidon. I can't believe I didn't thought of that before since it has been clearly told that the ability to control Sea Kings could destroy the world which is essentially what the ancient weapons are capable off. With this reveal, its actually very hard for her to stay in Fishman Island now that her power is fully awakened. The Gorosei would eventually find out and target her. This arc is far from over. Luffy still hasn't destroyed Fishman Island yet.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 07 December 2011 - 03:31 PM.

[harry4e]

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Thank goodness Jimbie isn't joing the crew just yet, think he's too strong to be a member instead of captain at the moment after a few arcs who knows.

Comic genius how Zoro explained the hero thing almost exactly the same way as Luffy even though he wasn't there when Luffy said it, just goes to show Luffy chose the right first mate.

Posieden huh? Wonder if this is an indication of her becoming a crew member? As Darth Krypt said, with that in mind would be difficult for her to remain part on the island, specially if they want to be recognised by the World Government, (They would no doubt know about the prophesy and use it to make her a wanted criminal, we know with Robin and her history how low they can go), with her being locked up all her life it would make sense for her to want to explore the world...and with Luffy understanding the Sea Kings he's likely to be the person the prophesy speaks of, so they probably need to be together when it happens.

Maybe we'll be seeing a Sunny 2.0 combining Noah with Sunny for a bigger ship. Yup this arc is definitely not over yet, though I don't agree with the part of Luffy destroying Fisherman island not being fulfilled, the prophesy probably saw Luffy destroying Noah and the people panicking, and the part about destroying Fisherman island has been fulfilled as he has changed the way things work, the way fishermen think of Humans has changed and ofcourse the slums have been shut off and everyone lives in the light now, so essentially he has destroyed Fishermans Island and a new island with new thoughts and hopes stands in it's place.

[Torxe]

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Too bad Jimbei won't join yet, I don't understand why Luffy and crew couldn't help with this business he has to take care off.
But I'm certain he will join at a later time he looked like he sincerely wanted to join.

A Sunny 2.0 large enough to accomodate a huge mermaid princess..., sounds fitting.
But somehow I don't see Shirahoshi becoming a Straw Hat, which imo would be the only reasonable explanation to need a better sunny go.

Also considering how hard it was for Luffy to damage/try to destroy Noah it is probably also made from adam wood so I don't think Franky would have any objections.

And still no sign of Caribou...

[Phantom_999]

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Thank goodness Jimbie isn't joing the crew just yet, think he's too strong to be a member instead of captain at the moment after a few arcs who knows.

Comic genius how Zoro explained the hero thing almost exactly the same way as Luffy even though he wasn't there when Luffy said it, just goes to show Luffy chose the right first mate.

Posieden huh? Wonder if this is an indication of her becoming a crew member? As Darth Krypt said, with that in mind would be difficult for her to remain part on the island, specially if they want to be recognised by the World Government, (They would no doubt know about the prophesy and use it to make her a wanted criminal, we know with Robin and her history how low they can go), with her being locked up all her life it would make sense for her to want to explore the world...and with Luffy understanding the Sea Kings he's likely to be the person the prophesy speaks of, so they probably need to be together when it happens.

Maybe we'll be seeing a Sunny 2.0 combining Noah with Sunny for a bigger ship. Yup this arc is definitely not over yet, though I don't agree with the part of Luffy destroying Fisherman island not being fulfilled, the prophesy probably saw Luffy destroying Noah and the people panicking, and the part about destroying Fisherman island has been fulfilled as he has changed the way things work, the way fishermen think of Humans has changed and ofcourse the slums have been shut off and everyone lives in the light now, so essentially he has destroyed Fishermans Island and a new island with new thoughts and hopes stands in it's place.

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That'd be the same as saying Zoro's too strong and would be called be captain isn't it? and people used to assume he was. I didn't think it was too bad an idea Oda just needs to make another strong villain for him to fight supposedly

Edited by Phantom_999, 11 December 2011 - 03:17 PM.

[harry4e]

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That'd be the same as saying Zoro's too strong and would be called be captain isn't it? and people used to assume he was. I didn't think it was too bad an idea Oda just needs to make another strong villain for him to fight supposedly

No because Zoro isn't as stong as Luffy, he might be captain level for most crews but he is second in strength after Luffy, Jimbie on the other hand is stronger than Luffy, or atleast there is nothing we've seen so far that suggests otherwise, he was a Shichibukai, and a strong one at that, and also more experienced, until it can be shown that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji have surpassed him, I don't see him joining the crew. They are the monster trio, they always get the big three fights and introducing Jimbie in the mix messes up the balance, just look at the battle now, Jimbie ended up fighting alongside Sanji, and the way things looked neither of them really needed the other to win the fight.

After a couple of arcs we'll have actually seen the whole crew get into some really difficult battles and see how strong they've become and if Jimbie joins we'll have a better idea where he fits in the power levels, and it will make more sense for him to join.

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Kuzan for next crewmate? XD He's no longer a marine so what else will he do now? He had helped the strawhats somewhat so it could be fitting that he joins them because he's certainly against the marines and WG now. This chapter clearly shows that the fishmen can't protect Shirahoshi AT ALL. So there are 2 options, one looks likely but the other sounds like fan fiction.

1) Jinbei stays to protect Shirahoshi. That may be the duty that he's mentioned to Luffy so he can't leave FI to join them. He has to protect the princess because the rest of the fishmen can't.

2) Shirahoshi eats one of the Urashima Casket's pills, become stronger and slightly older. Old enough to split her fins. I know this sounds ridiculous but remember this is Oda. He can make it work if he wants to. Personally its very hard for her to be a crewmember due to 2 problems. Her size and her fighting ability. Her size can be solved with harry4e's suggestion by making a Sunny 2.0 big enough to accommodate her. It would certainly make sense to tie in Noah's role in the story. Her fighting ability can be solved by the pills to make her stronger. Or Oda could just think of something awesome to solve these problems.

Oh also Sanji and Zoro has haki.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 14 December 2011 - 02:09 PM.

[Phantom_999]

No because Zoro isn't as stong as Luffy, he might be captain level for most crews but he is second in strength after Luffy, Jimbie on the other hand is stronger than Luffy, or atleast there is nothing we've seen so far that suggests otherwise, he was a Shichibukai, and a strong one at that, and also more experienced, until it can be shown that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji have surpassed him, I don't see him joining the crew. They are the monster trio, they always get the big three fights and introducing Jimbie in the mix messes up the balance, just look at the battle now, Jimbie ended up fighting alongside Sanji, and the way things looked neither of them really needed the other to win the fight.

After a couple of arcs we'll have actually seen the whole crew get into some really difficult battles and see how strong they've become and if Jimbie joins we'll have a better idea where he fits in the power levels, and it will make more sense for him to join.

Ah but Luffy learned haki didn't he? Can't say where Zoro and luffy are, compared to each other cause the haven't fought each other in the longest time so I guess that argument is stale(although being trained by Mihawk he should be at Luffy's level), BUT I can safely say Jinbe doesn't eclipse Luffy in strength They're pretty evenly matched from what I've seen so far so it's not a BAD idea at this point though yeah the crew should develop some more first before they becomes the monster four

[Torxe]

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Shirahoshi joining the crew would seem to solve some problems for FI but isn't likely to happen due to her fighting power (not counting the seaking thing) and size.
It would be cool to see a sunny 2.0 but I think that's more smthng for fanfiction.

Blackbeard is looking for strong devil fruit powers?
Now that's a surprise.

Looks like the Straw Hats will play a role in protecting FI with their reputation after all....

And just how weak is that 200+ million bounty anyway Luffy can handle him so easily, he doesn't even need a panel to beat that guy.

[Darth Krypt]

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Shirahoshi joining the crew would seem to solve some problems for FI but isn't likely to happen due to her fighting power (not counting the seaking thing) and size.
It would be cool to see a sunny 2.0 but I think that's more smthng for fanfiction.

Blackbeard is looking for strong devil fruit powers?
Now that's a surprise.

Looks like the Straw Hats will play a role in protecting FI with their reputation after all....

And just how weak is that 200+ million bounty anyway Luffy can handle him so easily, he doesn't even need a panel to beat that guy.

Caribou's not weak. Luffy's just hella strong.

[harry4e]

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Shirahoshi joining the crew would seem to solve some problems for FI but isn't likely to happen due to her fighting power (not counting the seaking thing) and size.
It would be cool to see a sunny 2.0 but I think that's more smthng for fanfiction.

Blackbeard is looking for strong devil fruit powers?
Now that's a surprise.

Looks like the Straw Hats will play a role in protecting FI with their reputation after all....

And just how weak is that 200+ million bounty anyway Luffy can handle him so easily, he doesn't even need a panel to beat that guy.

As Darh Krypt said Caribou is not weak but compared to a person who had 400 Million Beli before he completed his training, he looks weak, Caribou is below what Luffy was two years ago, before he realised how much stronger the other side of the Grand Line really is.

BTW: looks like the Monster trio are all capable of using the sensing Haki, if MangaStream translation is correct Mangareader wasn't as clear.

[Codus N]

Well, Zoro had been implied to have had the Haki of Observation since waayyy back in Arabasta arc. I wouldn't be surprised through the minimal knowledge Mihawk had about Haki (I'm sure he knows a bit about Haki since he's a fellow Shichibukai, meaning he knows about Haki from Hancock), Zoro was able to figure it out on his own too.

Ivankov might have told Sanji about it, but I kinda doubt Sanji is actually smart/talented enough to be able to figure out how it works.

I've always thought that if we were to rank their Haki proficiency between Zoro and Luffy, it would be like this:

Observation Haki

Armor Haki

Conqueror's Haki

Zoro-->Luffy

Zoro=Luffy

Luffy-->Zoro

[Darth Krypt]

Well, Zoro had been implied to have had the Haki of Observation since waayyy back in Arabasta arc. I wouldn't be surprised through the minimal knowledge Mihawk had about Haki (I'm sure he knows a bit about Haki since he's a fellow Shichibukai, meaning he knows about Haki from Hancock), Zoro was able to figure it out on his own too.

Ivankov might have told Sanji about it, but I kinda doubt Sanji is actually smart/talented enough to be able to figure out how it works.

I've always thought that if we were to rank their Haki proficiency between Zoro and Luffy, it would be like this:

Observation Haki

Armor Haki

Conqueror's Haki

Zoro-->Luffy

Zoro=Luffy

Luffy-->Zoro

Yup Zoro has better OH since he can sense not only living things like most Haki users do, but non-living things as well. He can hear the rocks coming down on him and was able to know which spot is safe from getting crushed. But I'm still confused about Asura.

I won't underestimate Sanji's intelligence though. He has helped the straw-hats out of a pinch alot of times now. The Mr Prince incident in Arabasta. Tailing Robin in Water 7. Opening the Gate of Justice in Enies Lobby. His foreshadowing abilities is superb. I kinda think that Sanji would be an AH specialist because of his Diable Jambe. He is able to withstand intense heat on his leg. Seems like Oda gave alot of hints on the Monster Trio.

[Torxe]

As Darh Krypt said Caribou is not weak but compared to a person who had 400 Million Beli before he completed his training, he looks weak, Caribou is below what Luffy was two years ago, before he realised how much stronger the other side of the Grand Line really is.

BTW: looks like the Monster trio are all capable of using the sensing Haki, if MangaStream translation is correct Mangareader wasn't as clear.

Following this reasoning would imply Luffy is also stronger then Jimbei atm. I mean Jimbei had a bounty of over the 400million beli. And he didn't train for whole two years in mastering a skill that augmented his already over 400 million beli worth of skills.

[harry4e]

Following this reasoning would imply Luffy is also stronger then Jimbei atm. I mean Jimbei had a bounty of over the 400million beli. And he didn't train for whole two years in mastering a skill that augmented his already over 400 million beli worth of skills.

It's not just how high Luffy's Bounty is but how they got their bounty as well, from everything we've seen, he's as ruthless if not more so than Eustass Kidd with no trouble whatsoever to kill anyone who gets in his way, and Kidd had a Bounty of 315 Million, which was explained as only being higher than Luffy's because of he killed civillian. I would have put Luffy higher than Kidd, and if Caribou who got his bounty for similar actions (Though mainly killing marines, though I doubt he spared Civillians_) is less than Kidd then it would make sense he was weaker than Luffy was two years ago.

I'd still say Jinbie is at the same level or higher than Luffy, mainly down to experience. He had a bounty of 250 Million before he became a Shichibukai and that was over a decade ago, his bounty went over 400 Mill so is still higher than Luffy, and I don'y think the bounty goes that much higher to the 500 Million mark, but we've not seen what the top tier like Shanks, and Dragon have their Bounty as.

[Phantom_999]

Dragon's bounty SHOULD be the highest, cause isn't he the most wanted by the marines man in the One Piece universe?

Edited by Phantom_999, 17 December 2011 - 10:42 PM.