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[Dark_Nature]

while i agree sawyer is biased when it comes to sakura vj is 20 times worse  i decided to watch his review for the heck of it and man was he all over the place

 

I had the misfortune of watching one. He didn't review a single aspect of the chapter, except going on about how epic Hinata was.      

[pumyte]

Back with the tree, when sakura was struck many people were hoping sakura was killed, she was grazed and to everyone's shock it was shikamaru who was struck. He made it out fine but in the case if now naruto needing minato to transfer dark kurama to him, many fans are just saying sakura will pull a Chiyo. She won't, I hate having to repeat this several times but sakura isn't going to use chiyos technique, not now not ever, again those people only want her out of the way cause they either hate her or want nh to happen.

The only real possibility if any sacrifice related issue is dependent on how minato transfers the dark half of kurama. We know he used the reaper death seal on naruto to seal up kurama into naruto but then minato died as the mechanics of that technique,

The real issue that only makes this a possiblity is dependent on 2 arch things:

First is minato going to use the reaper seal on naruto for the transfer, if it's something else then the second arch factor doesn't come in.

Second is if minato uses the reaper seal, how does this impact him as he is undead, the technique takes the users life away but minato is undead so how will this work?

There are only 3 reasonable possibilities as these subcategories:

1. The perfect situation- edo tensei proves to be a powerful technique once again, minato as an edo does not suffer the negative impacts of the reaper seal when transferring dark kurama to naruto. He will leave later and say goodbye to naruto at some other point.

2. The realistic situation- the reaper seal overrides edo tensei working in edo tensei form the same way as it would on someone alive. Minato disappears after the transfer as the technique is done. He sacrifices his (undead) life for naruto.

3. The sacrifice situation- this is the one many fans are going on about sakura sacrificing herself, basically the setup of this one instead minato can use the reaper seal but the catch is, the jutsu won't work without a living person to take the effects. Basically minato can control the reaper but the effects won't go into effect without a full living body to use or anchor the reaper, basically to save naruto transfer dark kurama, one living person must become a medium and sacrifice themselves so naruto can be saved. While many say sakura, obito is ideal as the sacrifice as it's more meaning in him doing a final act to save naruto as he is no longer a villian and it's his act of leading to madaras defeat. Obito was going to die anyways from the attempted rinne tensei and loss of the gedo statue. His last act against Madara would be much more impactful than if sakura were to go.

This all depends though on the jutsu and mechanics of said jutsu minato unleashes for the transfer, if anything he would want minato and narutos departure to be meaningful and heartfelt. In any other case we need to see how it goes, but I'm not worried about sakura, there's as I said many story reasons going out of balance or just unneeded if she died for good or had a temporary death to be revived a couple chapters later. If any sacrifice was needed obito could be the ideal one as for the simple fact, he is as good as done, he was going to die in any situation on his own or someone else, he even said trying to live to abide by his sins was the easy way out. To him, his death and last act are the hardest things and last acts of redemption. To him it's more like let history know it was Tobi and Madara who committed the dark acts, not obito who died at the kannabi bridge protecting the leaf.

I agree with you, I wouldn't be suprised If Kishi would actually make Obito as a sacrifice for Naruto's life.

[MangaReader]

Yeah, I know. That's why I said I'll take it.

I guess I just wanted to further explain what I meant 

[Toasty Warrior]

ah finally got to read this chapter ( ´ ▽ ` ) I guess Sakura literally got a hold of Naruto's heart (゜▽゜) (If we didn't know Naruto will be ok I probably wouldn't make jokes like this(;´∀`)) Anyway am I the only one who thinks Madara looks like SSJ3 now (・ー・)

 

You're not the only who thinks Madara looks SSJ3, but we all know if a certain Saiyan went SSJ3, he would probably curve stomp Madara.

[pumyte]

 
You're not the only who thinks Madara looks SSJ3, but we all know if a certain Saiyan went SSJ3, he would probably curve stomp Madara.

Now that you say it, it makes me wonder if getting dark half of Kurama will make Naruto strong enough to go against Madara (・へ・) If I'm corect Madara is stronger than Obito was.

[Kakashi-Sensei]

And... Does this downplay Kishi's choice of Sakura giving her all to Naruto? No.

If someone could translate what was going on Sakura's head on both situations, it would be like this...

 

Shikamaru Situation = "This is terrible... Shikamaru is Dying... Oh, god, why this have to happen with us? I have to help him! Be strong... You still didn't your best, stand up, please (encouragement)... Naruto needs you, Shikamaru, he need all of us. I will save you, so please, be strong! " = terrible pity, sadness. Right after, hope.

 

Naruto Situation = "WOW oh kitten nononononononononono whatwhatwatwat nonononono waitwaitwait SOMEONE ASNWER ME-- ok,ok, Ishutup, okok letsgogogogogo ok ok ok y y y y yy narutonarutonarto WHY ISN'T WORKIN- WHAAT?! waitwait not he, not he, not nonononononono lemme try this then uuuuuuugh i'm inside him i trained before i'll beok justdowhatyouknowtodo i'mafraid oh nonononono breath go breathgobreathgogogogogo youremedical quickywuickquick" = fear and denial.

 

 

 

This is sad... 

Sakura didin't act like that ? I feel like she is keeping her cool since she knew Naruto was hurt. At least she is not crying like Karin when she knew for Sasuke !

Edited by Kakashi-Sensei, 06 February 2014 - 08:21 PM.

[Kakashi-Sensei]

On an other note, what's up with Bee ? I mean he is a cool character and he is probably in the same situation as Naruto since is biiju got extracted, but no one seems to care about him  

[TouKen4Life3g]

On an other note, what's up with Bee ? I mean he is a cool character and he is probably in the same situation as Naruto since is biiju got extracted, but no one seems to care about him  

Does he have romance? No? Too bad! Priority canceled.

I'm kidding. I don't know, I just assumed he got sucked in, but maybe he's dead. Oh well, Yamato (maybe?) is returning so I'm good with this trade.

[Ausakura]

Sakura didin't act like that ? I feel like she is keeping her cool since she knew Naruto was hurt. At least she is not crying like Karin when she knew for Sasuke !

Inside of her head...

 

If you look good, her reactions dances in waves. When she first saw him, it was a shock. When she boarded Gaara's sand, she was desperated and losing strenght. Then we see her almost leaking tears. Right after, she check his beat and try to be the most focused she can. While doing CPR she looks to his chest, focusing on the heart massage, but again looks to his face, not only to see if he gets a reaction, but this envolved sentment. At the same time she's trying to not lose the control of the situation, she's being destroyed by inside. It's like when Sakura were younger and saw Sasuke's cold body after Haku's fight. She denied his death, trying to rationalize the situation. She repeated to herself how a ninja should act, but surrended to her emotions in the end. In the scenario we are at now, Sakura can do more than just cry, and she's trying her best to not have a real motive to put herself on tears. When she saw Shikamaru, she wasn't all troubled like this. She was dealing with the situation just fine. She wasn't cold, but she was just rationalizing the situation. Naruto's is the reason of this war, if he dies, everything is lost. Not only the war, but her hope, her friend...

 

I was in a conversation with an colleague of mine about moments like this one, when you are close to lose someone important to you. Your head can't just think straight, your toughts will be a mess. You will remember things and this will muddle anything you are trying to do. And it's on the edge of losing someone that you realise how important that person is to you. That's why Sakura didn't had that reaction with Shikamaru, but is having with Naruto. She's way mature now, so she's controlling herself.

 

But yeah, my bad. I've forgot to include "Keep cool, keep calm" on her toughts. 

[Inferno180]

 

I had the misfortune of watching one. He didn't review a single aspect of the chapter, except going on about how epic Hinata was.      

 

I never bother with VJ, he is just insane. As for forneverworld and sawyer, yeah forneverworld can never go a serous moment on Sakura without throwing something NH related at it saying it should be Hinata doing this and that. While Sawyer, for the most part, he is just arrogant. it was like each thing that came up in the war with the ten tails: Herp a derp NH wins, no questions asked, der what is this 631 crap? NH should already win, oh Sakura got hit by the tree she is dead, oh wait she is not, oh Sakura will go to Sasuke, oh what the hell she is going with Naruto? Karin should heal naruto so Sakura heals Sasuke, oh what?" Thats basically his mentality, he just wants Sakura out of the way at any instance so she is nowhere near naruto in anyway shape or form. This is why the credibility to both at times, its just no dice for me. Its hard to take them seriously when they make just plain retarded statements, no I mean it, dead freaking serious, their views when possible stuff come up are acceptable like Yamato being in spiral zetsu, that makes perfect sense. Many including them suspected the Minato kurama transfer thing for Naruto, yeah no issue,

 

but swayer wanting sakura to abandon naruto despite being right there and go to sasuke while karin somehow healed naruto depsite being close to sasuke in proximity, just what the hell was he smoking to think of something like this, what sense did this make?

 

Forneverworld is just as guilty, basically even when sakura is doing something he still refers to her as the flat chested crusty ass b word and says stuff like "It shouldn't be sakura speaking for naruto (in 630) its not NS time, its NH time." Yet I'm personally glad to some extent kishi makes these chapters the way he does and when HInata shows up, its them as NH fans who take his intent as so negative unlike what he is doing. Swayer even said while sakura is helping narutos heart, NH is getting stabbed and should not be. I personally feel glad when this happens to arrogent guys like them, kishi isnt really going the negative intent they are receiving it as but hey if they overblew 615's meaning, I'm not surprised if they are getting overly sensitive to anything with her now even its something as minor as tripping, guess some NH fans are too easily set off.

 

One other deal is, people like swayer have used sakura sacrificing herself as no more than a secret excuse for wanting NH and getting rid of sakura, even using reason like the title of the chapter as no matter the cost (according to mangastream) with sakura saying she will save naruto no matter the cost that its a reason it should happen, he even says the whole fact that kishi's father died was the reason for this recent arc. That much of his life was influenced into naruto

 

Just hold everything up lets back up a bit and hold everything, this statement just personally disgusts me to no end, this is truely a sickening statement, that kishi wrote this current situation because of his father's passing? Can anyone here even believe just how wrong and sickening this sounds? It makes me think like kishi turned his own misfortunine into something only for the auidence to get a reception at for selling more copies of his manga, can anyone seriously believe this? This statement from Swayer literally got me disgusted from him so much, words cannot describe how vulger this statement was, not to mention just how flawed it is.

 

If Kishi really did use parts of his life to create events in the series, then what are we to infer, that him having Hinata confess was just based off some sponanetous confession event in his own life around the time he wrote the invasion of pain? Kishi married in 2003 so how would it make sense in 2009 for this to happen? Are we to believe that he used the events of the 2008 tsunami to make the destruction of the leaf village in the pain arc a year or so later as the basis for that? That would be downright sickening and just plan wrong if he really did that.

 

Just as kishi practically doesn't go out of his way to mess with pairings, or even pay attention or care about the whole fan driven pairing wars, to say he based this current situation off the loss of his father, thats not right at all. If anything, he planned this long before such as near the road to ninja interview when he said the ending was planned out but not the exact details to it, even back during the announcement midway last year that naruto was entering its final phase around august last year. Thats evidence enough he planned this months ahead of time, not recently on his fathers final days. It was just an unfortunate timely occurrence to have a death theme come in naruto with his father actually passing. But to say he based his current events over the death of his real father? That just sounds wrong on so many levels. Personally Swayer saying this almost made me want to vomit and not read a series like this if it turned out to be true.

 

Other than that, I mean its true some stuff is based on kishis own life like the village being like how he grew up near a military base or how kushina is based off his wife, but stuff like his father passing with this? Thats just sickeningly wrong to even think like that. Personally Swayer strikes me as the type of fan who has those outrangeous thoughts that make things not only impossible to believe, but downright to the point he doesn't give a kitten about the story, he just wants what he feels is good mainly NH.

[Ausakura]

On an other note, what's up with Bee ? I mean he is a cool character and he is probably in the same situation as Naruto since is biiju got extracted, but no one seems to care about him

Bee's probably not dead.

Hachibi did cut one tail with him inside, so, probably he's with chakra and not dead.

Edited by Ausakura, 06 February 2014 - 08:47 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

615 sure feels like a distant memory...

[MangaReader]

On an other note, what's up with Bee ? I mean he is a cool character and he is probably in the same situation as Naruto since is biiju got extracted, but no one seems to care about him

I miss Bee... he's actually a really interesting character

[Ausakura]

615 sure feels like a distant memory...

To me it feels like it never happened. 

[Verilance]

Sometimes I wonder if other people are reading a different chapter than I am and I don't just mean NHers, people here yesterday were saying there was no emotion from Sakura in this chapter but to me the whole chapter is literally dripping with emotion.

 

what am I seeing that others aren't.... dunno

Edited by Verilance, 06 February 2014 - 09:16 PM.

[Luna]

No one going to mention that Kishi killed off Bee without a second thought? I'm gonna miss his little rap nonsense. poor bee. There is no second half of the 8 tails to save him.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

 

Since when does being a youtube reviewer makes you a certified expert in story analysis?

 

They are just normal people like you and me, and they can make extremely wrong predictions that go completely against what happens later.

 

Did you know that Sawyer predicted some time before Tobi's reveal that his true identity was Sasuke from the future? lol

 

Did you know that KoL predicted that during 2013 we would see progression in the relationship between Naruto and Hinata? double lol

 

Don't put those guys on a pedestal. Their opinion is not superior to that of any other Naruto fan.

 

Amen to that!

 

Sakura's participating a very important moment in the story right now, we can't deny it. Gaara too, they're both trying to save Naruto, and that's a crucial role they're having. I really hope that Kishi is planning more and more for her.

IMO Sakura is not going to die later on, I mean, she's one of the main, even though Kishimoto said that there will be 2 important deaths in this war. One of them was Neji, and I think Yamato may be the other one, or maybe Kakashi, or even Killer Bee, cause he had the Bijuu extraction too in the past chapters, he's probably dying or already dead at this moment.

 

When did Kishimoto say that there were going to be two deaths? 

 

It's interesting to see the difference between the NS fanbase and the NH fanbase when it comes to 615 and 663. The NS fanbase admit that what Sakura is doing is just CPR but they still like the moment. While the NH fanbase say that the hand holding from 615 is romantic, what Naruto said about Hinata being by his side is his way of saying "I love you Hinata. I always did and always will" and try to deny as much as possible that moment was nothing more than chakra transfer.

Interesting.

 

The differences are so noticeable, even non-shippers can tell.

 

Madara is now the Shinju (Ten-Tails) Jinchuuriki, hell yea somebody is gonna die! I wonder who...so, probably he'll take the other eye from Kakashi.
And...who is inside SpiralZetsu? The feet from the last page could be...Madara not cuz he has black feet. Could be Kabuto? Somehow escaped?! That Snake...Someone else who? Who? The other's are dead...it's him!
And of course, the only option they have is to get the other half of Kyuubi from Minato.

 

Madara now looks like Grimjow resurrecion, with the hair and headband, and that defintely looked bada**. 

 

It could be Anko. 

[MangaReader]

No one going to mention that Kishi killed off Bee without a second thought? I'm gonna miss his little rap nonsense. poor bee. There is no second half of the 8 tails to save him.

He's not axed off, Gyūki cut off one of his limbs. If Bee did get sucked up though, he could very well still be alive, cause Kishi would make it so

[DattebayoXShannaro]

The Naruto fandom is the cancer who helped to destroy the series.
In fact is that it doesnt matter, if she will get hated or not, i think the point is that how Sakura will react if she knows that Sasuke is dying that's the question, i doubt that Kishi will shown because his intention is to hide her feelings to the very end, even the recent two chapters doesnt give the impression she loves Naruto romantically now.
In a way it was less impactfull than Sasuke's death was to Karin, she rushed crying and asspulling Kushina's jutsu on a statue that not even the third was capable of beating it.

I think the author already give the impression he's not writing a good story just by the recent interview that he reassured once again that he's focused on giving a conclusive ending, already shows that he knows that the current arc is not making any sense at all.
We got yet another Sage of Six Paths wandering around which is stronger than Obito who already beat Naruto and Sasuke but was defeated because he gave up.

I dont think he's a good writer either, he's a bad writer and sums this with a fandom like Naruto, part 1 Naruto was a plagiarism of Hunter X Hunter.

I think both, the author who cant write a decent story because is more concerned of giving fanservices and at the same time afraid of it's own fandom to a point that he cant even finish Hinata's character.

Sasuke just killed the story.

 

Correction: It's  the English-speaking Naruto fandom that is terribly self ignorant to the the point everything is taken out of context.  The Japanese fandom don't have the amount of problems to us English-speaking counterparts.  I believe the primary reason is cultural differences.  The reason why Sakura gets as much as hate in the English-speaking fanbase is because she "abused" Naruto.  That's because most didn't know her character archeotype as a Tsundere, and how those moments were meant to be taken as comedic.  It's the same in another anime Inuyasha, with the "sits" Kagome does.  She gets plenty of hate for that, because we consider it abuse, when it's not, because it's never portrayed in a serious manner.

 

People put Hinata on a pedestal, because she blushes around Naruto and was nice to him since the beginning.  It's one of those situations where the main character is treated cruelly, and the first character of the opposite genre that is nice to him/her deserves to be the MC's love interest.  That's how this popular duality of NaruHina and SasuSaku basically came about.  The problem is that it's left a complete mark on the fanbase that it's basically stagnated.  It's a problem because the story wasn't.  Events kept progressing.  Characters developed and changed, and new plotlines were introduced while old ones were expanded.  It's obvious things are not the same as they were in the beginning.  Naruto is the prime example of this, grew up isolated by his own village, and now, is someone vital to the survival of the world.   However, those who want to remain in their own ignorance don't want to see any of that, especially in the pairing disputes.

 

I don;t agree with what your saying about Kishimoto either.  From the same interview, he says it hasn't hit him that his manga is popular.  That should be proof, that whatever he does isn't influenced by the fans.  He's writing the story he wants to write, not concerned with the popular opinion, and the popular opinion in Japan isn't the same as the popular opinion (or most vocal opinions) in the English-speaking countries.  Whether he's a bad author or not is subjective.  You might say he's a bad one, but I say he's a good one.  The war arc, despite popular opinion, hasn't struck as the worst thing he's ever written.  I don't think it's that bad, as others say it is.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 07 February 2014 - 01:44 AM.

[Inferno180]

Bee is unaccounted for, there will be more with him, I mean he isnt any uzumaki but he should have a healthy amount of stamina like naruto, Gyukui having one of his tails cut off, maybe it was to intend a survival attempt like when they faced sasuke and taka. Though Madara got Gyuki, maybe that tail had a signficant amount of chakra to preserve bee, its possible it could be a trait only capable to the 8 tails, as his tentacles are his tails.

 

Bee will be accounted for, I mean everyone is just going to assume with how he died being a non-uzumaki jinchurki but even for him its possible to be alive after a bit, but some people have put this theory that a gyuki funneled a good portion of his chakra into the tentacle to save and support Bee.