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[MangaReader]

Exactly my point...
I mean, look at the reactions I've been getting:

I find it funny that you are trying to justify Sakura's disappearance as a coincidence (for artistic integrity's sake). Whether she receives attention or not, a vast majority of readers have come to acknowledge her as a useless character to the story. In just a few short chapters, Hinata has made more of impression on Naruto than Sakura has. I'm not saying the author has nothing planned for Sakura. However, if it isn't something big, it will justify her uselessness as a character.

The moment that they can truly back up their claims is the day I take their responses seriously. Till then, it's just useless writing to help make themselves feel good for whatever reason it maybe.

So again, I guess the old saying "people only see what they want to see" best describes the Naruto fandom

[CynMichi]

@CynMichi - Agree with you except for one thing: Tsunade didn't seal Orochimaru's arms, Hiruzen Sarutobi (3rd Hokage) did. Oro went to Tsunade to ask her to heal his arms.

But the point you made about Tsunade's abillities is what I've brought up before; the tenets of the medic-nin was deliberately introduced by Kishi to provide an appropriate that Sakura needs to overcome. The recipe is there to provide focus for physical development she's lacked since the start of part 2 to balance out her mental and emotional growth in the series so far. If Sakura is to surpass Tsunade, she has to become powerful enough that she doesn't have to be bound by those medic rules.

Haha oops your right ! she did attempt to seal his power though at some point didn't she? My memory is bad lol I have to go back and check

I do agree with you there is nothing more I'd like to see then the Sakura that beat the snot out of Sasori! Only with more power ! I hold out hope though that we'll see this soon! Maybe she took to training underground or had super secret slug training that will be revealed in flashback once we see her new ability....I can dream

[redragon88]

@CynMichi - Agree with you except for one thing: Tsunade didn't seal Orochimaru's arms, Hiruzen Sarutobi (3rd Hokage) did. Oro went to Tsunade to ask her to heal his arms.

But the point you made about Tsunade's abillities is what I've brought up before; the tenets of the medic-nin was deliberately introduced by Kishi to provide an appropriate that Sakura needs to overcome. The recipe is there to provide focus for physical development she's lacked since the start of part 2 to balance out her mental and emotional growth in the series so far. If Sakura is to surpass Tsunade, she has to become powerful enough that she doesn't have to be bound by those medic rules.

I agree.

I'm starting to believe that the reason Kishi introduced the medic ninja rules was for either:

a) Sakura is meant to remain in the background and not do anything significant in relation to Naruto, so Kishi introduced the rules to justify her lack of attention.
b) Sakura is meant to show at a given time that she learned the Rebirth technique which will allow her to break the medic rules and finally fight alongside Naruto as she had wished.

If Kishi was thinking of scenario A then I can say with confidence that he has completely failed in my eyes as a writer. He built Sakura to have the drive to fight in order to help Naruto, but then finishes her relationship with Naruto by not being significant to him in any shape or form in the most important group battle in the history of the manga. This would feel like the highest betray to his own storytelling. I can't believe Kishi would degrade himself to that level. That's why I think has has something important planned for Sakura when it comes to Naruto.

This is not even about cementing Sakura as Naruto's love interest. Sakura is basically Naruto's best friend and most loyal teammate. She's had the most notable change of perspective when it comes to Naruto. You would think that regardless of whether she ends up with Naruto or not that this would be the perfect time to show how far she's come when it comes to caring for Naruto. For Kishi to decide that her role must be as a background healer that can't make a direct contribution to Naruto's battle efforts, it's a complete insult and betrayal to the way he originally developed Sakura.

The reason I believe Sakura will have a role is because for me to even consider the alternative is a completely disgusting concept. If Sakura is meant to be a background healer then why on earth would Kishi make Naruto and Sakura fight together against Kakashi in the beginning of Part 2. Wouldn't it had made more sense to establish that Sakura shouldn't get involved unless necessary and that she would only participate to help heal Naruto?

If Kishi is actually trying to justify Sakura never being involved then I will find him extremely repulsive. That's the only reason I keep believing he has something stored for Sakura, because if that isn't the case then I would find his line of thinking to be extremely horrid.

I hope you guys can understand that I'm not bashing Kishi. The battle is far from over so we can't make assumptions as to what will happen. I'm expressing as to what would be my opinion of him if he truly does end the battle with Sakura doing nothing significant in relation to Naruto.

Maybe I'm just annoyed because I watched Sawyer7mage video. I'm annoyed at his certainty of NH, but he has the right to his opinion so I have no intention of bashing him. He does make entertaining videos from time to time.

[StriderC]

Well, Sasuke might have been missing while others were on the spotligh, however, when he got back, he had all those kick-ass fights. Same with Naruto. Sakura? Nooot...

This. You cant' compare Sakura to Sasuke or Naruto at all saying Sasuke has been out. Ever since he got back into the picture how many fights has he had? Orochimaru, Bee, Deidara, Danzo, The Kages, Itachi, and I think I'm missing one... Sakura has had one fight, and she's been pushed to the side numerous times. Sometimes I wish she didn't learn medical ninjutsu and just went to genjutsu. Maybe then, she'd be used more...

And here's my Sakura spoiler. I'm not done. Gonna finish it tomorrow.


HOPE YOU ALL LIKE IT!

Edited by StriderC, 24 January 2013 - 01:41 AM.

[Qia]

I really doubt Kishi would have Sakura say that they would fight together, and then emphasize that it wasn't only going to be Naruto but everyone else too, and not have her fight (medic rules be damned). Makes no sense to me. That's why I'm being very patient with him right now .

Every time someone ever told me that NH was inevitable, I used to get so annoyed. But now I just find it kind of amusing. . Because, to me, it seems like the total opposite of that. Even when I try to not look at things with NS glasses on...it still seems that way. Like I said on my tumblr once...I don't know if that means I'm cocky or confident.

Edited by Qia, 24 January 2013 - 01:41 AM.

[Baiken]

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/617

I knew, or rather, had a feeling Sakura wasn't going to make an appearance, but what I did not expect, was that Hinata would be shoved down our throats, once again. Okay, Hinata popping Naruto's arm back into his socket wasn't really anything. But I just can't stop feeling that scene was so...Sakura-esque. Actually, imo, everything post 614 is something Sakura would, or should have done. From the reaction of Neji's death, to Naruto saying "You've been by my side all this time, blah blah", and then to this. Hinata in 615 just seemed really out of character. That whole scene felt a little forced. I think it's best if I re-read this as one volume.

And though Sakura didn't even make an appearance, I'm kind of glad. I mean, for Kishi to show freakin' SHINO, but not Sakura, makes me think it was deliberate. I'm guessing/still hoping he has something in store for her. I already know the Sakura haters and NH fans are having a field day with this, I'm just going to save myself the agony of looking at those hate comments. I think you all could imagine it..."Goddess Hinata-himesama doing Useless Sakura's work." My goodness.

Ugh, I'm sorry as cool as it is to heal people and save lives, being a medic-nin and main character at the same time, just does not mix well in Naruto. Not with this fanbase. It developed her character at the beginning of Part II, but that label is starting to hold her character down, tbh. Sakura has this massive strength, but she's obligated to heal fodder nin. It's a shame, really. Either go full on medic-nin, full on kunoichi badass, or actually try to find that...center (I don't know the right word for what I'm trying to say, sorry.) She just needs to be a jack-of-all-trades, that would be perfect.

My thoughts on where exactly Sakura is at:

1.)She's, like previously stated, probably been kamui'd(?) and is waiting for Obito to slip up, all part of the plan. (Nice.)

2.) She's been summoned to Tsunade and the other Kages, for...something. (Interesting, and imo would benefit her the most.)

3.) Probably, healing some fodder ninja. *twitch*

4.) Kidnapped.

5.) Going to Sasuke.

...



I swear if Sakura, thinks about Sasuke in the middle of a war on a battlefield, I am going to facepalm so hard. If she even thinks about having those thoughts thought up, I'm done. No, that's a bit much. But seriously, if that is what's really about to happen, it would just be bad writing. And Sakura being kidnapped is almost as bad. I would absolutely hate for Sakura to regress back into that damsel in distress bs from Part 1.

So yeah, I'm going to re-read this chapter again and try to get a better sense of it, aswell as this volume. And as far as Sakura doing hardly anything for heaven-knows-how-long, just so some side characters could receive character development, Kishi,

Edited by Baiken, 24 January 2013 - 01:41 AM.

[StriderC]

LMAO I just realized I forgot to finish the zipper. I'll have to remember that.

[Qia]

And here's my Sakura spoiler. I'm not done. Gonna finish it tomorrow.

here --Click here to view--

HOPE YOU ALL LIKE IT!

That looks realllly good so far :O. I wish I had your skills.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I do believe patient is wearing thin, regardless that we established last week that she will come soon. I understand we are in doubt stage, but lets just wait and tally up.

[StriderC]

That looks realllly good so far :O. I wish I had your skills.

Thanks Qia. I actually sort of want her to wear her forehead protecter on her forehead. It'd be cool if she did this for her fighting side by side with Naruto.

[Slextrem]

After thinking about it, I feel a little silly for getting as worked up as I did about Sakura's disappearance. She's only been gone for two chapters, and even though she was only getting minimal panel time beforehand, Kishimoto still remembered to include her in each chapter. Technically, she was in the last chapter too, although it was a flashback... Plus, we also received that awesome color spread. Therefore, I've decided to be more patient about this.

Kishimoto has a plan, it includes all of the rookies, and Sakura's part will come at the end. No, this doesn't excuse the fact that he's ghosting his heroine and downplaying his hero to make other characters look better, but I believe that her role will start to pick up again after the side characters are done "taking turns". From that point on, her role will continue to be prominent. Of course, I'm not saying that with utmost certainty, but look at all of this potential:

573 has led us to believe that she'll do something amazing in this fight
She has potential for development because of Tsunade's death
There's still the possibility of the Obi/Rin Naru/Saku parallel connection
She'll likely play a part in the final Naruto vs Sasuke arc
Finally, whether it's good or bad news for NaruSaku, she'll also play a part in the final pairing development

The potential is there, but before the ball can start rolling, Kishimoto has to push it up the hill. He hasn't quite reached the top of said hill yet, but he'll get there soon enough. I think giving him the next three chapters to screw around with is fair. That's plenty of panel space to lay out this elaborate plan of his before he gets to Sakura. Would I like to see her sooner than that? Very much so, but I like fireandice's theory about the element of surprise. If Kishimoto continues to exclude Sakura during the next three chapters, (assuming the focus will stay on the Alliance), I'll be expecting one hell of a surprise from her. This is my final expectation for Sakura. I pray to God that Kishimoto doesn't screw it up.

That's all I have to say about that.

StriderC, as always, your drawings are absolutely amazing! I can't wait until it's all finished!

Edited by Slextrem, 24 January 2013 - 02:03 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

After thinking about it, I feel a little silly for getting as worked up as I did about Sakura's disappearance. She's only been gone for two chapters, and even though she was only getting minimal panel time beforehand, Kishimoto still remembered to include her in each chapter. Technically, she was in the last chapter too, although it was a flashback... Plus, we also received that awesome color spread. Therefore, I've decided to be more patient about this.

Kishimoto has a plan, it includes all of the rookies, and Sakura's part will come at the end. No, this doesn't excuse the fact that he's ghosting his heroine and downplaying his hero to make other characters look better, but I believe that her role will start to pick up again after the side characters are done "taking turns". From that point on, her role will continue to be prominent. Of course, I'm not saying that with utmost certainty, but look at all of this potential:

573 has led us to believe that she'll do something amazing in this fight
She has potential for development because of Tsunade's death
There's still the possibility of the Obi/Rin Naru/Saku parallel connection
She'll likely play a part in the final Naruto vs Sasuke arc
Finally, whether it's good or bad news for NaruSaku, she'll also play a part in the final pairing development

The potential is there, but before the ball can start rolling, Kishimoto has to push it up the hill. He hasn't quite reached the top of said hill yet, but he'll get there soon enough. I think giving him the next three chapters to screw around with is fair. That's plenty of panel space to lay out this elaborate plan of his before he gets to Sakura. Would I like to see her sooner than that? Very much so, but I like fireandice's theory about the element of surprise. If Kishimoto continues to exclude Sakura during the next three chapters, (assuming the focus will stay on the Alliance), I'll be expecting one hell of a surprise from her. This is my final expectation for Sakura. I pray to God that Kishimoto doesn't screw it up.

That's all I have to say about that.

StriderC, as always, your drawings are absolutely amazing! I can't wait until it's all finished!

I must admit, I was a little shocked to hear from you earlier. I don't blame you guys, but I am slow and easy guy, so I would wait and tally up to reach the full result. I do feel like we got two options: one is going through all the members of K11 or second is only going through 1 or 2 members of a team.

[BabyVee]

i don't know if this has been brought up but i read the chapter and noticed that naruto didn't even acknowledge hinata popping his shoulder back into place. so that's a plus right? for all we know, that was one last 'yay hinata' moment. and it gives naruto reason to talk to her afterwards like

'thank you for healing my arm. but i don't love you like that '

(and that's assuming he knows it was her)just a thought. over and out now!

[Qia]

Thanks Qia. I actually sort of want her to wear her forehead protecter on her forehead. It'd be cool if she did this for her fighting side by side with Naruto.

I doubt it, but yea it would be. I actually like the way she'd put her hair in one like that. Suits her really well. Can you do one like that some time? Btw guys...I was wondering if it would be okay to share that other dimension possibility with others on tumblr. Or is that a bad idea?

[rikakim94]

[quote name='StriderC' date='Jan 23 2013, 05:38 PM' post='432759']
This. You cant' compare Sakura to Sasuke or Naruto at all saying Sasuke has been out. Ever since he got back into the picture how many fights has he had? Orochimaru, Bee, Deidara, Danzo, The Kages, Itachi, and I think I'm missing one... Sakura has had one fight, and she's been pushed to the side numerous times. Sometimes I wish she didn't learn medical ninjutsu and just went to genjutsu. Maybe then, she'd be used more...

And here's my Sakura spoiler. I'm not done. Gonna finish it tomorrow.


HOPE YOU ALL LIKE IT!


its good so far! nice strider

[luffyq1]

Kishi is really trying to develop the Hyuuga clan lately. My biggest problem is that he seems to be forgetting about Sakura, and just Sakura. He's almost made her character completely pointless, shes not seen in the fights, and doesn't heal Naruto because Hinata can do that.

I think its time for a 5 week break from Naruto, give it some time to work itself out cause right now, its not even about the story, its about the Hyuuga clan.

Though I really liked the part with Lee.

Whether he forgot her at this point or not is irrelevant. She's not in here. She's not in this chapter, or the last one, while almost everyone else is.

And Hinata healed.

Therein lies the problem.

Sakura is way too awesome for Kishi . She will get her moment to shine but until I see how and when it's done I won't hold my breath that Kishi becomes a decent writer again.

Beautiful posts!

[Hiraishin]

What if
The reason Sakura "disappeared" these last two chapters isn't because Kishi is saving her for something big. What if he just forgot about her, and soon she'll show up like she never disappeared and will have the same role as any other ninja in the war.

/pessimism

On another note, I really hope that a) Sakura's genjutsu ability is brought up again and becomes important, because I don't see why it had to be mentioned at least three times if it wasn't going to be and b) Sakura acquires (or even is shown to already have it?) slug sage mode (though this is more unlikely). Not only would she get a huge power-up, which I think she needs, but it would also show us the last of the sage modes after seeing Toad and Snake.
At the very least, I think she should sign a contract with Katsuyu. :U

Also, I've always wanted Sakura to put the forehead protector on her forehead once she got ready to SERIOUSLY fight side-by-side with Naruto. It would be epic.

[AzureWaters]

What if
The reason Sakura "disappeared" these last two chapters isn't because Kishi is saving her for something big. What if he just forgot about her, and soon she'll show up like she never disappeared and will have the same role as any other ninja in the war.

/pessimism

I feel like he hasn't planned for her to have an important role yet. As she isn't the focus Kishi may have forgotten to add her this chapter. Likely she will show up in the group soon, but by the way things have been going she's not gonna get a big moment right now.

Although one thing I won't make an excuse for is Naruto not sharing chakra with her, at least not being depicted as doing so. Most of the rookies were seen gaining Naruto's energy, yet last chapter no Sakura. There's not even a possibility of that happening again cause Naruto's finished sharing. -___-

Edited by AzureWaters, 24 January 2013 - 02:38 AM.

[4000TMNT]

I don't get the out rage, she just pop his shoulder back in place, and neither responded to it. She new his shoulder was bad because of her Byakugan, so I don't see any problems. It does not make Hinata more Heroine than Sakura just because she did something that 90% of the ninja army(that are not medical ninjas) can do.

What Hinata did in this chapter will never come close to these moments.

http://www.mangapand...hapter-297.html

http://www.mangapand...hapter-343.html

http://www.mangapand...hapter-343.html

http://www.mangapand...hapter-343.html

Not even this one.

http://www.mangapand...hapter-342.html

[luffyq1]

Maybe I'm just annoyed because I watched Sawyer7mage video.

I highly recommend you do not watch his videos.