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#6561 Zatheko

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:41 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 14 2012, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Holy crap, I actually kinda like Narukarin & NaruIno. Y u know my preference?

Say what?! You're telling me that you got away after making such an obvious claim? I'm just suprised the NH fandom didn't crucify after uttering such words. You're lucky, do you know that?


I actually really like NaruIno, I don't know why exactly but its just... nice, maybe it's because of to much fan fiction that I like it.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:43 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 15 2012, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, to everyone being grumpy-pants about Luffy, there comes a time when we need to stop talking about the positive, obvious aspects of this pairing.

For example, let's take parallels. The only confirmed, not implied, one is Obito/Naruto. Does that branch out to NaruSaku/ObiRin? Are parallels just coincidences, and fabricated from our own longing for this pairing to happen?

Parrallels are defenitly not coincidence. You could say that if there where only one, but thats not the case.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:50 AM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Dec 15 2012, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Parrallels are defenitly not coincidence. You could say that if there where only one, but thats not the case.


There's no romance os SS just saying
this is one of the reasons

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#6564 luffyq1

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:01 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 15 2012, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like NaruIno and NaruKarin as well. NaruHina just irks me. It's so unbearable I can't even. I think my preference towards those pairings stems from my preference for NaruSak; all of those girls can knock Naruto on his ass. Tsundere archetypes ftw.

It's not even the fact that NH has a chance of becoming canon that rustles my jimmies. It's so one-sided, it's awkward.


That actually makes perfect sense. Never thought about it like that. Good stuff.

You know, I've gotten into an argument with this NH fan a couple of years ago that lasted a few days. I mean we were just cursing each other out to no end. It was truly embarrassing and everyone was laughing at us. His last resort to support NH was along the lines of: NH should happen because Hinata deserves to be with her man. She's just so innocent, pure, caring, perfect, strong, and kawaii desu.

I didn't know much how to debate back then as I've mentioned the argument consisted of cursing. So when he said that to me I admitted defeat.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:03 AM

At times, it's best to retreat when you face the undefeatable enemy that is the NH fandom.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:04 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 14 2012, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's three reasons I want NaruSaku to become canon:

One, because it's a stellar pairing, and it's just...blah. It's good kitten.

Two, though this may be arguable, but it fits with the manga. The parallels, the foreshadowing, the themes; it's all connected.

Three, the rage of every other fandom this manga has to offer. I feel like we're against the world, and just the fact that we, out of all pairings, became canon, would be hilarious.

Perfect comedy indeed. If Kishi pulls a RtN, I'm going to weep tears of joy and puke rainbows.


Word up. The bolded - just icing on the cake. xD

About the parallels - I agree with PhenixElite, they're definitely not a coincidence. Maybe if it was just one instance of a parallel, but because there are so many, and that Kishi actually makes these parallels himself (like the Sannin and Team Seven, they're mentor and pupil, etc.), we're not just pulling stuff out of our ass, lol.

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#6567 luffyq1

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:11 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 15 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At times, it's best to retreat when you face the undefeatable enemy that is the NH fandom.


If I remember correctly, the reason why I admitted defeat was because the thought of Hinata not getting with her man would cause her to lose her sanity (yandere switch). Because apparently, Naruto is pretty much her life, her rolemodel, and her energy drink. She'd pull another Tobito if Naruto rejected her. I wonder how her mask would look?

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:15 AM

Probably a fox mask, because her Naruto-kun is her kawaii-desu kitsune.

I'd actually ROFL hard if Kishi did that as a cliffhanger. Never going to happen, but still.

Just to shut down the Sakura haters, he should transition Hinata into a true Yandere character.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:24 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 14 2012, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh Kns, I really love you. I just love how you and almost everyone in here boast about your parallels, your hints, your foreshadows, your beautiful development, and much more. It gives me the impression that you think your fandom is better than the opposing ones.

*sigh* I'm not responsible for other people's erroneous impressions. I said "my certainty" -- which indicates I'm aware it is my own personal opinion -- which I am allowed to have and express the same as any other poster. If you or anyone else doesn't like or agree with it, that's life.


QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 14 2012, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not to be a douchebag or anyhing, but I didn't even read all of your post. I understood all too well the premise of your argument based on your second sentence.

Only the first sentence of that post was directed at you anyway, so no great loss to either of us if you didn't bother to read the rest before you formed an opinion on the content.


QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 14 2012, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I get it, the NS fandom is much cooler than the NH fandom. There's no need to remind me bro.

I never said that or even implied it.


QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 14 2012, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When you lurk on this site for as long as I have, you'll get a basic understanding on how the lovely Kns operates.

Wow, way to make this unnecessarily personal.


QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 14 2012, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, to everyone being grumpy-pants about Luffy, there comes a time when we need to stop talking about the positive, obvious aspects of this pairing.

I really don't understand why. This site was created as a place for people to support NS. If we wanted to dwell on and talk about the negative, uncertain aspects that exist we could go just about anywhere else in the fandom.

It does get pretty dull going over the same shipping stuff in the absence of anything fresh, but is the only alternative to be negative and resort to questioning the reading comprehension and integrity of anyone who chooses to be positive on a site that invites you to be positive? Really?




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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:27 AM

QUOTE (Otaru @ Dec 14 2012, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Kishimoto defend Sakura because she's like his wife.
A friend a Kishimoto said once that his wife was very like Sakura.

I think Naruto is created from Kishi's soul.
I think Naruto soul is like Kishi's soul.

It makes so much sense that Naru and Saku are meant for each other.



QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Dec 14 2012, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The one who made the comment of Sakura looking like Kishi's wife was Oda the mangaka of One Piece. He said that to him on the day of Kishi's wedding.


Yes.... was Oda who said that.

"Kishimoto-san's wedding was fantastic. The priests's broken Japanese during the ceremony was a thing of beauty. I see your wife looks just like Sakura."


source: http://www.thegrandline.com/odatoc.htm ( just scroll till 296)


It reminds me of Bakuman, the way some mangakas create their heroines based on their loved ones. It's just anww wub.gif



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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:32 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 15 2012, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds like fanfic.
I think it's too early to portray the scene i'll wait 10-20 chapters.

agree . actually i thought that XD. haha

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:38 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 15 2012, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chatte, you're my girl and all and I respect you, but you gotta understand how this site works. Like you stated, in the end Kishi did cash in big by putting NH & SS as the poster of the pairings, and while that is true, the movie is definitely centered around NS. But, this site was in an uproar upon the release of the official trailer, and they only started to celebrate months after the spoilers came to light and it was the NH & SS fandom in an uproar. It's the role reversal game that both NS & NH/SS love to play.


I understand from where you're coming, again.
But still, let's be honest, NS is nothing like NH/SS.
I've walked this path my own and that's why I say it out and "loud" and NS is not like NH and SS.
Yes, we ll may have the reaction and disappointment which belongs to every fandom, but overall, NS is not like the others.
At least I didn't saw this fandom to rub it in the face of the other fandom that NS is so cannon and here I mean the real fans, not the ones who like it because they need to rub something in the face of the opponent.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:11 AM

QUOTE (KnS @ Dec 15 2012, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*sigh* I'm not responsible for other people's erroneous impressions. I said "my certainty" -- which indicates I'm aware it is my own personal opinion -- which I am allowed to have and express the same as any other poster. If you or anyone else doesn't like or agree with it, that's life.

In this case, you're responsible for the impression you've left on me. I feel as though it was the fact that I brushed off your beautiful and well thought-out NS post by simply replying like so - "That's nice, it really is." Which caused you to go on an adventure of why NarSaku this and why NaruSaku that. I didn't think five simple words would trigger you to go all analytical on me.


Only the first sentence of that post was directed at you anyway, so no great loss to either of us if you didn't bother to read the rest before you formed an opinion on the content.

Didn't look like it to me. It looked like you wanted to put me in my place by educating me on NS, which I've gotten enough from the users in this thread to put me to sleep.

I never said that or even implied it.

Oh Kns sweetie, you didn't have to say it or imply it. It's just that with all the users cramming it in my head on why NS is the ultimate couple, and then to add more rambling from you was what caused me to say that.

Wow, way to make this unnecessarily personal.

Relax, it was a complement. I, for one, think your arguments for NS are deeply rooted. It help raised my spirit when I was a lurking a while back.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:19 AM

Wow you guys really need to cheer up. sad.gif

Sure, fandom can sometimes be overwhelming but at times like this we should be fanboy/fangirling about the pairs we love not sulking under the pressure.

Whenever I say I like NejiHina I get rushed by NH fans calling me incest loving freak with comments like "Omg, Neji and Hinata are half-siblings! That's gross!" and "Ew incest!" etc etc. And while I can blatantly prove them they are wrong (about them being siblings), I choose not to because it's not worth it - unless someone asks me of course ( and not out of spite either. I mean I answer people who are innocently curious, not trying to attack my ships).

Same with when I say I like LeeTen or ShinoTen, I get lectures that I just shrug at about how Tenten belongs with Neji and how she likes Neji and it's stupid because Lee likes Sakura or that Shino and Tenten have never spoken and is weird. Well, I could prove them wrong about Tenten>Neji but same with NejiHina, I choose not to. Not my responsibility.

ChouIno's probably the more 'decent' of my ships I guess. If you like ChouIno it's almost like people instantly assume it's my sideship for ShikaTema. It's always funny when I explain to people that I'm not a ShikaTema fan and they're like O_O but that's about all I ever say.

Point is, no human being on this earth can tell me I'm wrong for liking anything (and I wouldn't do that to anyone else). I may not like NaruHina, or SasuSaku, or KibaHina but I would never tell anyone their ship is wrong.

None of these ships are wrong. While SasuSaku has a lot of suggestive messages behind it, I will not say they're wrong for shipping it. It's a girlish hope and love - some people like that stuff. That's fine. Had this been another series, I might not have minded the two.

NaruHina is the one I dislike the most of all but some people think it's cute. It's all good. I'm not about to go on and on about how NaruSaku is better because I already know how I feel about NS and it's not my job to convince ANYONE to convert to anything. It's a choice to like something or not.

I may have digressed here but my main point is just that there's nothing wrong with liking NaruSaku! There's NOTHING wrong with liking anything.

It's only wrong when we let the world convince us it's wrong.

If you believe NS will be canon, flourish in it. Do not wilt.













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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:23 AM

QUOTE (Otaru @ Dec 14 2012, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Kishimoto defend Sakura because she's like his wife.
A friend a Kishimoto said once that his wife was very like Sakura.

I think Naruto is created from Kishi's soul.
I think Naruto soul is like Kishi's soul.

It makes so much sense that Naru and Saku are meant for each other.

I think this is a lovely post, and so tremendously true!

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:34 AM

QUOTE ({Jade~Rabbit} @ Dec 14 2012, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow you guys really need to cheer up. sad.gif

Sure, fandom can sometimes be overwhelming but at times like this we should be fanboy/fangirling about the pairs we love not sulking under the pressure.

Whenever I say I like NejiHina I get rushed by NH fans calling me incest loving freak with comments like "Omg, Neji and Hinata are half-siblings! That's gross!" and "Ew incest!" etc etc. And while I can blatantly prove them they are wrong (about them being siblings), I choose not to because it's not worth it - unless someone asks me of course ( and not out of spite either. I mean I answer people who are innocently curious, not trying to attack my ships).

Same with when I say I like LeeTen or ShinoTen, I get lectures that I just shrug at about how Tenten belongs with Neji and how she likes Neji and it's stupid because Lee likes Sakura or that Shino and Tenten have never spoken and is weird. Well, I could prove them wrong about Tenten>Neji but same with NejiHina, I choose not to. Not my responsibility.

ChouIno's probably the more 'decent' of my ships I guess. If you like ChouIno it's almost like people instantly assume it's my sideship for ShikaTema. It's always funny when I explain to people that I'm not a ShikaTema fan and they're like O_O but that's about all I ever say.

Point is, no human being on this earth can tell me I'm wrong for liking anything (and I wouldn't do that to anyone else). I may not like NaruHina, or SasuSaku, or KibaHina but I would never tell anyone their ship is wrong.

None of these ships are wrong. While SasuSaku has a lot of suggestive messages behind it, I will not say they're wrong for shipping it. It's a girlish hope and love - some people like that stuff. That's fine. Had this been another series, I might not have minded the two.

NaruHina is the one I dislike the most of all but some people think it's cute. It's all good. I'm not about to go on and on about how NaruSaku is better because I already know how I feel about NS and it's not my job to convince ANYONE to convert to anything. It's a choice to like something or not.

I may have digressed here but my main point is just that there's nothing wrong with liking NaruSaku! There's NOTHING wrong with liking anything.

It's only wrong when we let the world convince us it's wrong.

If you believe NS will be canon, flourish in it. Do not wilt.













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Wow, very excellent post there!!

I agree with pretty much everything you said, and I also support chouino and nejihina smile.gif, there has been a lot of negitivity on here lately and it's good to see a post like this!


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:40 AM

^Thanks. Glad to see another NejiHina and ChouIno lover. th_glomp.gif

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:47 AM

Let's spread some love

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:55 AM

besides love we need a good topic and new chaptes . i mean last chapter of the year 2012. and some ns moments . and i like sasuhina. nejihina is good. but slialings. so it would be a little odd. and great post jade rabbit. really cool.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:00 AM

QUOTE (narulsaku @ Dec 15 2012, 04:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
besides love we need a good topic and new chaptes . i mean last chapter of the year 2012. and some ns moments . and i like sasuhina. nejihina is good. but slialings. so it would be a little odd. and great post jade rabbit. really cool.


Ah true... this waiting is a killer, lol.

Btw, guys, this is my first year reading the manga, before I used to watch the anime because I didn't exactly knew about stuff like manga, anime inspired from manga etc.
The manga will go on a break on Christmas and New Year?
I know it's logical and a silly question, however, I just felt like asking. ^^
Maybe you have a schedule or something. smile.gif

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