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#6521 SuperSilverStar

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:48 AM

 

You know, it wouldn't surprise me if Kishi originally intended for Sakura to battle Hidan with Shikamaru and Sai (she was sent as reinforcements, after all). In an interview there was reference to Hidan intending to have a greater amount of exposition before editorial influences made him cut back. That would be in keeping with the constant negligence of certain characters who are deemed not important enough to the central plot to warrant greater screen time such as Tsunade and her having a go at God Realm before Naruto returns. 

I've said this in the past but I would love to see things that got changed in the manga because of time constraints or editor's decisions. Like how Kakashi was originally suppose to be introduced in chapter 2 but had to be changed due to his editor telling him it would be better to include him in Chapter 3 along with the rest of Team 7.



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:49 AM

He didn't mean heroine as in female lead here, he meant 'heroine' as in love interest to the main character.



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:50 AM

He didn't mean heroine as in female lead here, he meant 'heroine' as in love interest to the main character.

I still don't believe him.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:51 AM

Can we stop talking about the Assistant please?


The assistant thing is irritating because even Kishimoto admitted Sakura loves Sasuke. In the manga recently we seen her screaming she loved Sasuke. This is nothing new to us.

I still find it odd he is questioned about Sakura and Sasuke's relationship, and in response he brings up Naruto's relationship with Sakura. His answers appear that he is attempting to be deceptive while at the same time attempting to provide something of an answer.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:53 AM

I find it difficult to believe that Base Naruto's hand seal speed would skyrocket to a perfect 5 when his fighting style and characterisation has always emphasised physical perseverance with as little memorisation and technical knowledge as possible. Minato is a seals expert who proved himself to be capable of using the rare gift of one-handed signs. Kakashi could weave dozens of hand movements in seconds. Itachi's are so fast that the Sharingan couldn't follow him. Naruto isn't like these people, however. Jiraiya made note of this when he explained how the lack of a need to formulate any complicated seals for Rasengan was an advantage to him.

A minor improvement to a whole number of 2 sounds reasonable for Naruto.

Genjutsu might be a little too high as well. It was always Naruto's weakest area after hand seals because it requires a specialised knowledge and understanding of principals related to illusions and probably the effects it has on the human senses. Chakra control is directly linked to the usage of genjutsu, but under the parameters of the Databook, it's only one part (albeit a sizable one) of a larger equation. Even Jiraiya admitted to not being all that adept at casting illusions. But his words imply that he has some minor knowledge of how to cast them, whereas Naruto outright admitted in the Pain arc that he didn't know any genjutsu period.

I would give Naruto an average score of 2.5. It's one of those things where I'm guessing the sensei will always maintain a lead over their student, in my opinion.

 

Hand seals aren't just related to the speed weaving of the seals but also moulding the exact amount of chakra, i.e. chakra control. Naruto has greater chakra control feats than any of the characters you mentioned and he's faster than all of them if not most of them in base mode.

 

Naruto was taught how to break genjutsu by Jiraiya. Granted, he failed to break out of one the one time he tried, however, that was against Itachi, who is a top tier genjutsu user. On average, I've seen characters that have never used genjutsu and/or simply aren't the type with 3/5 genjutsu stats, presumably because they can break them. I figured 3/5 would be a fairly accurate guess.

 

 

How did Sakura go from a 3 to a perfect 5 in taijutsu? She's hardly even fought since the battle with Sasori and there's nothing proving that her hand to hand skills have improved that drastically. Ninjutsu and stamina also seem a bit too high (it's a higher score than Tsunade's stamina level). Some of these fields aren't even directly relevant in their fighting styles. Any increase that doesn't see proof in the manga is usually for the principle's sake of growth.

 

Sakura has mastered several S-ranked medical ninjutsu. With the exception of that one jutsu Tsunade against Kabuto, Sakura has displayed all of them.

 

She has also displayed greater strength and speed feats than Tsunade in the war arc.

 

She also healed and maintained the health of the entire shinobi alliance army and didn't run out of chakra until the very end after several days of nearly nonstop healing and fighting.

 

 

I agree with Sasuke's stats for the most part. The only changes I would make would be to stamina and taijutsu. He's shown very little in the way of improvement in basic hand to hand skills outside of this recent fight with Naruto. Although that speaks more for Naruto because he was going toe to toe with the Sharingan's precognition while successfully landing attacks (a sharp contrast to their first fight in Part 1 where Sasuke had the advantage in taijutsu, even when Kurama's chakra was increasing Naruto's strength in 0TK).

Itachi had a 4.5 in taijutsu and he successfully held off the same onslaught from Bee's swords which knocked Sasuke on his butt. An advanced scoring like that seems decent for someone who doesn't specialise in that field.

 

Sasuke spams high ranked jutsu almost as much as Naruto. His stamina is ungodly. There is no way he isn't 5/5 in that area.

 

Itachi and B barely fought, so that's hardly a fair comparison, and B wasn't going all out since they were still talking. Since fighting B, he's faced off against A, Madara and Naruto, all of whom possess strong taijutsu.

 



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:53 AM

The assistant thing is irritating because even Kishimoto admitted Sakura loves Sasuke. In the manga recently we seen her screaming she loved Sasuke. This is nothing new to us.

I still find it odd he is questioned about Sakura and Sasuke's relationship, and in response he brings up Naruto's relationship with Sakura. His answers appear that he is attempting to be deceptive while at the same time attempting to provide something of an answer.
 

 

Obviously he tried to be discreet because he can't give direct answers in case of giving out spoilers. It's also clear from him deleting these right after-- he thought twice and considered that even this gave away too much.



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:54 AM

Right now I just believing in four things:

 

Chatte's  theory, James podcast, Notradamus  convictions and Jill positivism.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:55 AM

Kishi know he can't make NH canon with what happened in manga . Every one will say how Naruto end up with strange girl , just three times talked her in the whole manga hahahahaha .. Naruto and Sai/Tsunade have much developments than NH , Karin has more screen time than her loool
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Naruto never interact or talk to her like normal conversation unless hyuuga member involved ( Neji fight in part 1 , Neji die and now Henabi kidnapping)
If Naruto has ZERO interest to talk with her how about he will end up with her looooool
This just asspull if nh happen lol

6 times, not 3 xD but still xD


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:56 AM

I am glad to see that half of everyone on here is having positive attitudes about NS



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:56 AM

 

You know, it wouldn't surprise me if Kishi originally intended for Sakura to battle Hidan with Shikamaru and Sai (she was sent as reinforcements, after all). In an interview there was reference to Hidan intending to have a greater amount of exposition before editorial influences made him cut back. That would be in keeping with the constant negligence of certain characters who are deemed not important enough to the central plot to warrant greater screen time such as Tsunade and her having a go at God Realm before Naruto returns. 

 

I really do suspect that editorial constraints prevented Kishi from exploring some things as much as he'd hoped. I'd heard rumors of a Sakura arc from a friend, but, well, it didn't come to pass, sadly, although I still think that she'll be heavily involved in the film which will somewhat mitigate it. Somewhat. 

 

I really doubt the authenticity of these tweets, even if the account may be legitimate. The tone of these posts is somewhat unprofessional, and they definitely don't seem to be a part of the marketing plan used for something this big, which one expects would require that everyone work cohesively. They simply don't add up with what has been released thus far, by way of marketing. I don't know. Plus, didn't these tweets in question get deleted?

 

It's kind of like those tweets that SJ allegedly released about Naruto and Sakura ending up together in the film, which they later confirmed were false. They look legitimate, but, in hindsight, there was no reason for them to make such a statement, especially when it was at a point when the manga itself had more ground to cover. 


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:57 AM

Whatever happens happens. I realize that we shouldn't be too hopeful because anything can happen.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:59 AM

I am glad to see that half of everyone on here is having positive attitudes about NS

Why wouldnt we , were the ones that will get the last laugh :)
Also the others i think are just angry at the obvious shiptease going on by SP and everyone

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:00 AM

I'm sorry to talk about that idiot assistant


but it seems like he's trying to give excuses!

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:05 AM

Obviously he tried to be discreet because he can't give direct answers in case of giving out spoilers. It's also clear from him deleting these right after-- he thought twice and considered that even this gave away too much.


Do you also agree that how the conversation on twitter shifted to Naruto and Sakura was odd?

It was to me, and his answers read from the obvious(like Sakura's love for Sasuke) to his own observations that he gained from working with/under Kishimoto. This Thursday I am confident that we will finally get to really see Naruto pursue Sakura.

It also is a fact, we really have seen Naruto quite pursue Sakura in quite some time. From there I guarantee what the assistant was really attempting to slyly say that we just have not quite observed Naruto actually trying to get with Sakura. His comments were not negative whatsoever. This future movie will be all about closure for Hinata.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:05 AM

Right now I just believing in four things:

 

Chatte's  theory, James podcast, Notradamus  convictions and Jill positivism.

:wub: But you forgot an s in my name. :D

 

To be honest I can't wait until those two chapters come out so everyone can shut up and then start talking again because if NS is canon then what's with all the NH advertising in the trailer. Ahhh it never ends does it.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:07 AM

 

On the subject of the assistant's twitter, one of the people if I can remember asked him: "So Sakura is just for Sasuke's use?"

 

At that point he responded on the grounds of Naruto despite getting a question in regards to Sakura's relationship with Sasuke.  Stating something along the lines of "We haven't really seen Naruto pursue Sakura since Pain." 

 

Translation, like many of the things in and out of the series that we have read can quite often be taken two ways.  The editors response could be that he is pointing out in a way "No, she is for Naruto's use..but we have not just yet really seen him go for her."  Which may be an attempt to imply that we will finally REALLY see Naruto go for her. Or, he could be implying that the main character has stopped really going for her and will not go for her any more.

 

The latter of the two options seems strange.  Again, he was asked a question in regards to Sasuke and Sakura's relationship, and he instead brings up Naruto and states we haven't really see Naruto pursue Sakura in quite some time.  For some reason people are taking this more as a negative versus the potential positive of us finally really getting to see Naruto go for Sakura.  

 

hmm that's one of of looking at it~ Kishi is confusing I don't see why his assistant wouldn't be either XD


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:08 AM

lol @ people worrying about tweets.

 

You deserve the headache you're giving yourself.



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:10 AM

lol @ people worrying about tweets.
 
You deserve the headache you're giving yourself.

Yeah People are panicking over an assistant who is lying about Sakura not being a heroine.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:12 AM

Meh. Honestly I'm not going to believe anything until the movie comes out unless of course 700 is really a future chapter. How many times have we been led towards one conclusion when looking at the manga only to be rewarded with another. The only thing that any of this proves is that Kishi is a great artist but a terrible writer. NH lacks true development. Ppl don't just fall in love, it has to be two-sided. Also in SasuSaku's case, no girl stays in love with a guy who treats her like crap. Especially when it started out as a crush and somehow "Evolved" into love despite years of separation and complete rejection from one side to the point of attempted murder.

 

Finally, when your hero doesn't even accomplish his main goals in a believable manner than what does that say about your story? With Sakura's affection, Naruto to gets a pass. Girls aren't something to be won over if you catch my logic. You can be nice and try your luck of course but some things are out of your control. 

 

However, as much as I love Kakashi becoming Hokage he should not be hokage after the war. Naruto has won the respect of all the other Kage as well as Konoha and won the war almost singlehandedly. Yet he is not hokage.

 

And no matter what anyone tells me Naruto has not yet proven that he is stronger than Sasuke. At best that fight was a draw. They were both left alive in the same condition. Both missing an arm and yet still conscious. A draw.

 

I wouldn't worry about anything. If chapter 700 is truly a future chapter ahead of the movie and NS is made canon in it then the movie doesn't matter at all. But honestly NS and the nostalgia is the only reason to stick with the series at this point. If NH does happen it will just be another thing that drags the series into the dirt.  


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:12 AM

lol @ people worrying about tweets.
 
You deserve the headache you're giving yourself.


Interviews from Kishimoto has caused this much drama in the past, especially when he also danced around Naruto and Sakura's true relationship and stated that Sakura loves Sasuke.

Yet we still some how continued received scenes and parallels that emphasized Naruto x Sakura. I do not know how people so quickly forget the past.

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