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[KnS]

We all need to stop being such Negative Nancy's. >_>

Yes, please. That would certainly be my vote.

There's so much to enjoy about the story and the characters, and I really don't understand all the complaining. It's a shonen manga, written for a young audience. It's not supposed to be the best ninja story ever told, or a feminist manifesto, or... Dostoyevsky. It is what it is. If it's too difficult to enjoy as it is written, then there's always the option of, you know, not reading it anymore.

More than anything, the story isn't over yet. A lot remains to be seen yet, and it seems to me the story is more interesting right now than it has been in a long time.

Anyways guys... What do you think about this? A NH fan said to me that the Two Suns chapter (where Naruto says that his mom and dad are the two suns) parallels NaruHina since Hinata's name means place in the sun and they're going to became soo canon...
What do you guys think about that?

I think Hinata means "facing the sun." And that's perfect, really, since her entire focus is on Naruto -- the guy with the warm, bright chakra and sunny personality who is the "sun" of his world. It's got nothing to with her being an inspiration to Naruto, and everything to do with him being an inspiration to her.

Edited by KnS, 14 December 2012 - 08:14 PM.

[Zatheko]

You know, killing off Sasuke before NS happen will be bad in my opinion. I mean that's basically eliminating one person in the love triangle literally due to his death. The problem is it will leave forever impression of "If Sasuke didn't die, Sakura would never choose Naruto." I know it's those what if stuff, but the one I mentioned will leave that to millions of readers forever. You can say "But what about what if Sasuke never left," but thing is that moment is not the end of love triangle (or so they say) because Sakura still has feelings for him. The resolution of the love triangle must be resolve in a proper fashion. That way nobody would ever say otherwise.

I dont think NS has to be canon before sasuke dies. I think it just must be shown that sakura is sure about her feelings for naruto and that she would also choose him if sasuke would be alive.

In some way i realized that thats very sinilar to what you just said

I feel the same as both of you, she just needs to be sure of her feelings before something like this happens.

[luffyq1]

They do, that's why I'm a little scared and always was. Because I've worked in the domain and I saw how it was...But hopefully Kishi won't fall under that ugly phase called "marketing purposes".

You have every reason to be scared. He's already done it by promoting Rtn in both the cover page of the manga chapter, and by mirroring it in the official trailer. He knows exactly what the fandom wants and he's gonna cash in big on their desires. I'd be doing the same thing too, so I can't really blame the guy.

Money talks? More like the fandom talks

Edited by luffyq1, 14 December 2012 - 08:32 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You have every reason to be scared. He's already done it by promoting Rtn in both the cover page of the manga chapter, and by mirroring it in the official trailer. He knows exactly what the fandom wants and he's gonna cash in big on their desires. I'd be doing the same thing too, so I can't really blame the guy.

Money talks? More like the fandom talks

Give me a proof that he didnt do it because the advertize team asked him to do it oh wait it wasnt his assistant? instead of doing it because he wants.
And moreover "mirroring in the trailer" since when kishimoto started editing videos, nice try dude thanks for destroying this thread.

Kishimoto's duty 2012, scenario writer and character designer.

source japanese wikipedia.

Director Hayato Date
Written by Yuka Miyata and Masashi Kishimoto

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 December 2012 - 08:56 PM.

[swagosaurus]

This is the arc where Hinata's character is resolved; she's not going to be a part of the final arcs, which will revolve around Naruto/Sasuke/Team 7.

Either she gets with Naruto or she doesn't. Her character literally offers nothing besides that.

As for RtN, Kishi is going to pull that in the manga, I bet. He's already done it before, and he's going to do it again. Bait with NH/SS, then shove NS in our faces.

Edited by swagosaurus, 14 December 2012 - 08:58 PM.

[luffyq1]

Give me a proof that he didnt do it because the advertize team asked him to do it oh wait it wasnt his assistant? instead of doing it because he wants.
And moreover "mirroring in the trailer" since when kishimoto started editing videos, nice try dude thanks for destroying this thread.

Kishimoto's duty 2012, scenario writer and character designer.

source japanese wikipedia.

Director Hayato Date
Written by Yuka Miyata and Masashi Kishimoto

As usual, your replies to my post always oozes of butthurtism. You simply can't stand the fact that my post don't have that positive NS feel to it like you and many others in this thread. You're asking such a ridiculous question to give you proof that the "advertize team asked him to do it". You honestly think for a second that Kishi wasn't in the studio with the anime team when it came to the production of the movie? You honestly think he didn't have any part in the revelation of what to include in the official trailer in order to cash in big? Are you serious? LOL!

Edited by luffyq1, 14 December 2012 - 09:14 PM.

[redragon88]

You have every reason to be scared. He's already done it by promoting Rtn in both the cover page of the manga chapter, and by mirroring it in the official trailer. He knows exactly what the fandom wants and he's gonna cash in big on their desires. I'd be doing the same thing too, so I can't really blame the guy.

Money talks? More like the fandom talks

You could be reading too much into it. Not saying you're wrong, but there's the chance.

Kishi could've simply wanted to keep up with the first impressions of the movie: Sasuke flirts with Sakura and she likes it, and Hinata is aggressive towards Naruto.

The movie eventually becomes more than that first impression, but Kishi didn't want to give any of that development away before we actually saw the movie for the sake of keeping the element of surprise.

Think about, all of the promotion for Road to Ninja that involves AU Sasuke either has him alone or together with Naruto and Sakura, but never with Sakura alone. In the same manner AU Hinata never appears alone with Naruto. All of that in itself seems pretty telling that they weren't thinking much about the pairing and more about the mindset that they wanted people to have at the beginning of the movie about how the characters acted. But as we see more of the actual movie we get more of their development and our impressions change for the better.

[Chucky-kun]

As usual, your replies to my post always oozes of butthurtism. You simply can't stand the fact that my post don't have that positive NS feel to it like you and many others in this thread. You're asking such a ridiculous question to give you proof that the "advertize team asked him to do it". You honestly think for a second that Kishi wasn't in the studio with the anime team when it came to the production of the movie? You honestly think he didn't have any part in the revelation of what to include in the official trailer in order to cash in big? Are you serious? LOL!

I think this guy actually takes kishi's trolling seriously.....

[luffyq1]

You could be reading too much into it. Not saying you're wrong, but there's the chance.

Kishi could've simply wanted to keep up with the first impressions of the movie: Sasuke flirts with Sakura and she likes it, and Hinata is aggressive towards Naruto.

The movie eventually becomes more than that first impression, but Kishi didn't want to give any of that development away before we actually saw the movie for the sake of keeping the element of surprise.

Think about, all of the promotion for Road to Ninja that involves AU Sasuke either has him alone or together with Naruto and Sakura, but never with Sakura alone. In the same manner AU Hinata never appears alone with Naruto. All of that in itself seems pretty telling that they weren't thinking much about the pairing and more about the mindset that they wanted people to have at the beginning of the movie about how the characters acted. But as we see more of the actual movie we get more of their development and our impressions change for the better.

I know this will come off incredibly arrogant, but I don't think I'm wrong. I'm taking it at face value, which doesn't require deep thinking as you're doing. Official trailers are what really gets the viewers attention, and I think since Kishi has no animation skills at all, his own way of drawing the viewers in is by creating that Rtn cover page that has Sasuke all over Sakura and Hinata all over Naruto.

As hungry as the NH fandom are for some Naruto & Hinata interaction, they don't care if Sakura is seen in the background, same as the SS fandom. In the official trailer it's a SS clip and then followed up by NH. That says it all.

Edited by luffyq1, 14 December 2012 - 09:52 PM.

[KnS]

In the official trailer it's a SS clip and then followed up by NH. That says it all.

Or it could simply be that SS and NH, as pathetic and one-sided as they are, are the two "pairings" that have been covered in the manga so far. No one disputes that Sakura has wished for a different and interested Sasuke while Hinata has wished to be bold enough to capture Naruto's attention. This is manga fact. This is what the readers know. So the movie trailer reflecting SS and NH, or presenting it as pairings the fandom knows about, should be no surprise at all.

However, the subsequent content of the film shows that those two relationships (again, as pathetic and one-sided as they are) are empty and essentially irrelevant compared to NS. At this point, at least, I remain confident that the manga will as well by the time it's over.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Not to mention, she lost to Kabuto
I thought she was really strong, pwning Naruto with one finger, and being Jiraiya's teammate, then she lost to Kabuto, and now she punches Madara. She's okay.

That was meant to show how powerful and skilled Kabuto was. He's able to go toe to toe with a Sannin. That was just great foreshadowing for how powerful he'd grow later in the series.

[luffyq1]

Or it could simply be that SS and NH, as pathetic and one-sided as they are, are the two "pairings" that have been covered in the manga so far. No one disputes that Sakura has wished for a different and interested Sasuke while Hinata has wished to be bold enough to capture Naruto's attention. This is manga fact. This is what the readers know. So the movie trailer reflecting SS and NH, or presenting it as pairings the fandom knows about, should be no surprise at all.

However, the subsequent content of the film shows that those two relationships (again, as pathetic and one-sided as they are) are empty and essentially irrelevant compared to NS. At this point, at least, I remain confident that the manga will as well by the time it's over.

That's good to know, really it is.

[KnS]

That's good to know, really it is.

Not sure if you're being sincere or not, but I'll assume you are and that you're not mocking my certainty.

Kishimoto's treatment of the pairings in the manga is classic. Textbook, if you will. He began by estabilishing what's in the hero's heart: Naruto loves Sakura. Meanwhile Kishimoto offers something else -- Sakura --> Sasuke and Hinata --> Naruto. He's saying, "Ooooh! Look at the sparkly sparkly!" (Although I personally don't find NH or SS sparkly in any way, but whatever.)

But in a more subtle way -- almost in the background -- while Naruto's feelings remain constant for Sakura, Kishimoto slowly begins to move Sakura's heart and motivation toward Naruto. The point is, SS and NH are distractions to muddy the waters while Kishimoto develops his final pairing, NS. Typical storytelling technique. Whether he's doing a great job with it is a matter of opinion.

As I said before, the RtN trailer reflects the "sparkly sparkly" while the content of the film reflects the more subtle background direction. It's not a trick or bowing to fans; it's marketing the movie in the same fashion he has marketed the manga.

One last thing... The RtN movie is consistent in another way. The changes to SS and NH, such as they are, that appear in the film are generated from what the girls wish. Sasuke becomes emotive and responsive and acknowledges her, as Sakura has wished, while Hinata becomes bold enough to get Naruto's attention. But in both cases the relationships still fail. Sasuke is changed, but he still doesn't want Sakura. Likewise, Naruto notices Hinata's boldness, but he still isn't interested in her either.

That's the takeaway message to apply to the manga. No matter what might change with Sasuke and/or Hinata, Naruto and Sakura are closer to each other and care more for one another than they ever will anyone else. Sakura realizing the romance of it all is all that's left.

Edited by KnS, 14 December 2012 - 10:53 PM.

[Zatheko]

Not sure if you're being sincere or not, but I'll assume you are and that you're not mocking my certainty.

Kishimoto's treatment of the pairings in the manga is classic. Textbook, if you will. He began by estabilishing what's in the hero's heart: Naruto loves Sakura. Meanwhile Kishimoto offers something else -- Sakura --> Sasuke and Hinata --> Naruto. He's saying, "Ooooh! Look at the sparkly sparkly!" (Although I personally don't find NH or SS sparkly in any way, but whatever.)

But in a more subtle way -- almost in the background -- while Naruto's feelings remain constant for Sakura, Kishimoto slowly begins to move Sakura's heart and motivation toward Naruto. The point is, SS and NH are distractions to muddy the waters while Kishimoto develops his final pairing, NS. Typical storytelling technique. Whether he's doing a great job with it is a matter of opinion.

As I said before, the RtN trailer reflects the "sparkly sparkly" while the content of the film reflects the more subtle background direction. It's not a trick or bowing to fans; it's marketing the movie in the same fashion he has marketed the manga.

One last thing... The RtN movie is consistent in another way. The changes to SS and NH, such as they are, that appear in the film are generated from what the girls wish. Sasuke becomes emotive and responsive and acknowledges her, as Sakura has wished, while Hinata becomes bold enough to get Naruto's attention. But in both cases the relationships still fail. Sasuke is changed, but he still doesn't want Sakura. Likewise, Naruto notices Hinata's boldness, but he still isn't interested in her either.

That's the takeaway message to apply to the manga. No matter what might change with Sasuke and/or Hinata, Naruto and Sakura are closer to each other and care more for one another than they ever will anyone else. Sakura realizing the romance of it all is all that's left.

That was great it helps me be a bit more at ease with how things are going, thank you for this post

[Chatte]

Not sure if you're being sincere or not, but I'll assume you are and that you're not mocking my certainty.

Kishimoto's treatment of the pairings in the manga is classic. Textbook, if you will. He began by estabilishing what's in the hero's heart: Naruto loves Sakura. Meanwhile Kishimoto offers something else -- Sakura --> Sasuke and Hinata --> Naruto. He's saying, "Ooooh! Look at the sparkly sparkly!" (Although I personally don't find NH or SS sparkly in any way, but whatever.)

But in a more subtle way -- almost in the background -- while Naruto's feelings remain constant for Sakura, Kishimoto slowly begins to move Sakura's heart and motivation toward Naruto. The point is, SS and NH are distractions to muddy the waters while Kishimoto develops his final pairing, NS. Typical storytelling technique. Whether he's doing a great job with it is a matter of opinion.

As I said before, the RtN trailer reflects the "sparkly sparkly" while the content of the film reflects the more subtle background direction. It's not a trick or bowing to fans; it's marketing the movie in the same fashion he has marketed the manga.

One last thing... The RtN movie is consistent in another way. The changes to SS and NH, such as they are, that appear in the film are generated from what the girls wish. Sasuke becomes emotive and responsive and acknowledges her, as Sakura has wished, while Hinata becomes bold enough to get Naruto's attention. But in both cases the relationships still fail. Sasuke is changed, but he still doesn't want Sakura. Likewise, Naruto notices Hinata's boldness, but he still isn't interested in her either.

That's the takeaway message to apply to the manga. No matter what might change with Sasuke and/or Hinata, Naruto and Sakura are closer to each other and care more for one another than they ever will anyone else. Sakura realizing the romance of it all is all that's left.

Ah, you said it better than I would.
In my vision, Kishi hits 2 times in a row.
Meaning gives the fans what they want (SS and NH) while doing what he truly wants (NS) but more subtle.

[luffyq1]

Not sure if you're being sincere or not, but I'll assume you are and that you're not mocking my certainty.

Kishimoto's treatment of the pairings in the manga is classic. Textbook, if you will. He began by estabilishing what's in the hero's heart: Naruto loves Sakura. Meanwhile Kishimoto offers something else -- Sakura --> Sasuke and Hinata --> Naruto. He's saying, "Ooooh! Look at the sparkly sparkly!" (Although I personally don't find NH or SS sparkly in any way, but whatever.)

But in a more subtle way -- almost in the background -- while Naruto's feelings remain constant for Sakura, Kishimoto slowly begins to move Sakura's heart and motivation toward Naruto. The point is, SS and NH are distractions to muddy the waters while Kishimoto develops his final pairing, NS. Typical storytelling technique. Whether he's doing a great job with it is a matter of opinion.

As I said before, the RtN trailer reflects the "sparkly sparkly" while the content of the film reflects the more subtle background direction. It's not a trick or bowing to fans; it's marketing the movie in the same fashion he has marketed the manga.

One last thing... The RtN movie is consistent in another way. The changes to SS and NH, such as they are, that appear in the film are generated from what the girls wish. Sasuke becomes emotive and responsive and acknowledges her, as Sakura has wished, while Hinata becomes bold enough to get Naruto's attention. But in both cases the relationships still fail. Sasuke is changed, but he still doesn't want Sakura. Likewise, Naruto notices Hinata's boldness, but he still isn't interested in her either.

That's the takeaway message to apply to the manga. No matter what might change with Sasuke and/or Hinata, Naruto and Sakura are closer to each other and care more for one another than they ever will anyone else. Sakura realizing the romance of it all is all that's left.

Oh Kns, I really love you. I just love how you and almost everyone in here boast about your parallels, your hints, your foreshadows, your beautiful development, and much more. It gives me the impression that you think your fandom is better than the opposing ones. But when it came time for Kishi to get big on dat money, oh let me tell you it was certainly a different story. Not to be a douchebag or anyhing, but I didn't even read all of your post. I understood all too well the premise of your argument based on your second sentence. The topics in this thread is like an infinite cycle of tsukuyomi. I get it, the NS fandom is much cooler than the NH fandom. There's no need to remind me bro.

My dedication song

Edited by luffyq1, 14 December 2012 - 11:49 PM.

[Chatte]

Oh Kns, I really love you. I just love how you and almost everyone in here boast about your parallels, your hints, your foreshadows, your beautiful development, and much more. It gives me the impression
that you think your fandom is better than the opposing ones. But when it came time for Kishi to get big on dat money, oh let me tell you it was certainly a different story. Not to be a douchebag or anyhing, but I didn't even read all of your post. I understood all too well the premise of your argument based on your second sentence. The topics in this thread is like an infinte cycle of tsyukuami. I get it, the NS fandom is much cooler than the NH fandom. There's no need to remind be bro.

Oh, come on, no need to get that aggressive... Look, I agreed with you and everything, I do understand from where you're coming, however, in the end we're fighting over something that's a little obvious...
In the end, yes, Kishi did marketing over NH, SS but about who exactly was the entire movie? Yes, NaruSaku...
So see, that's why I said he hits two times in a row, he's a smart guy, knows how to make his money but do his own thing.
If he did it with a movie, what makes you believe he's not going to do it with the manga as well?
He can keep it all along until the end, and reveal it within the last 10 chapters because in the end, losing the money over ten chapters is nothing compared to losing the money over hundreds.
See where I'm coming from?

Edited by Chatte, 14 December 2012 - 11:34 PM.

[Zatheko]

Oh Kns, I really love you. I just love how you and almost everyone in here boast about your parallels, your hints, your foreshadows, your beautiful development, and much more. It gives me the impression that you think your fandom is better than the opposing ones. But when it came time for Kishi to get big on dat money, oh let me tell you it was certainly a different story. Not to be a douchebag or anyhing, but I didn't even read all of your post. I understood all too well the premise of your argument based on your second sentence. The topics in this thread is like an infinite cycle of tsukuyomi. I get it, the NS fandom is much cooler than the NH fandom. There's no need to remind be bro.

I didn't get that impression from him at all.

Edited by zatheko, 14 December 2012 - 11:46 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Oh Kns, I really love you. I just love how you and almost everyone in here boast about your parallels, your hints, your foreshadows, your beautiful development, and much more. It gives me the impression that you think your fandom is better than the opposing ones. But when it came time for Kishi to get big on dat money, oh let me tell you it was certainly a different story. Not to be a douchebag or anyhing, but I didn't even read all of your post. I understood all too well the premise of your argument based on your second sentence. The topics in this thread is like an infinite cycle of tsukuyomi. I get it, the NS fandom is much cooler than the NH fandom. There's no need to remind be bro.

The NS fandom isn't cooler than the NH fandom.
The NS pairing has more support in canon than the NH pairing. That, friend, is the point here.

[swagosaurus]

Yeah...the point about NH/SS milking money is true, but that doesn't mean it's going to be canon. Fanservice? Probably.

But Kishi chose to focus on family, with the added bonus of the NaruSaku interaction. Literally, those two scenes in the trailer were the ONLY NH/SS moments in the movie.

That speaks volumes about how Kishi does things, and how he's already done things, and how he's going to do things.