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[Codus N]

I'm not saying this just for Sakura. I mentioned before, all of Kishi's female characters seem to be lacking. None of them appear to have nearly as much development as the boys. I'm not picking on Sakura in particular, I'm picking on how Kishi decided to go about women in his manga and I think he could have done a better job. There's so much he could have done in the time span of writing Sasuke's angst arc with other characters, especially Sakura. He neglects them, as I've been saying. It's even worse for Sakura because she's the main heroine.

I want girls to be more than just romantic objects. Hinata is the ultimate romantic object, being nothing more than a girl that has a crush on Naruto. Kishi has made that her character. Overtime, Sakura's lack of development that isn't romance is putting her in that position too. She's much better off because she has been involved in some things other than romance, but we need more of it.

Which is why I criticize Kishi about his writing, particularly relating to Sakura and the role of the other female characters in general.

Luckily, Ino seems to be stepping it up in the next chapters. Funny, it's been shown in the anime that Ino was the one catching up to Sakura, but now it seems to be Sakura who needs to catch up.

BTW, I found this really good post at MH.

One of the great failures of Shippuden was Kishi's insistence on having Naruto always be around adult guardians rather than having him be a leader of his generation. For the past 250 chapters, he barely has interacted with people his own age. Instead, he has mostly been chaperoned around by the likes of Kakashi, Yamato, the Toad Sages, Gai, Kirabi, and now even Kurama.

I believe Kishi wanted to replicate the successful Naruto-Jiraiya relationship from Part 1 and believes Naruto works better around adult figures. But in my opinion, it has ruined a lot of his development. And it has created a disconnect between Naruto and his friends. The character this most effected was Sakura, the one who would most benefit from Naruto interaction. Instead of being there to be Naruto's conscience, her role was tragically filled by others.

And I agree that the Kirabi character started off strong, then petered out, and long ago overstayed his welcome. Not surprisingly he is one of Kishi's favorite characters. I don't think Japanese boys even found him funny since he placed rather low in the popularity polls given his huge amounts of screentime. He was not someone Naruto needed to be attached to for so long. I know Naruto needed to interact with another jin, but his relationship with Gaara is 1,000 times more real than the silly brofist thing he has with Kirabi. And it didn't need to go on this long.

And yeah, now that Naruto's friends are here, connections can be made again and this fight will have so much more meaning than when it was just Naruto, Kakashi, Kirabi, and Gai.

What do you guys think??

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Tsunade can very well be counted, here. She was one of the most powerful ninjas in the world, you can't deny that.

Who defeated pain?
NAruto is way more stronger than her she's not one of the powerfull.
She lose to an akatsuki member.

Even kakashi, Gai is stronger.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 December 2012 - 03:34 PM.

[PhenixElite]

She's there for the sole purpose of being the one that has a crush on Naruto, causing romantic tension. Again, her character is nothing but romance.

Tsunade is definitely someone I consider to be a good female character. It seems like she didn't even follow her own advice *Seriously what was the point of telling Sakura that healers should stay back? I mean, I can understand the purpose, but still*

She had some romance in her past, but it was rarely brought to light in opinion. Every other scene she was in did not relate to her romance with Dan or Jiraiya. I want Sakura to be strong like that, not just in fighting skills, but her actual characterization, stronger even.

Well tge difference is that hinta is not the heros love interest and not a main character, that means she is compared to sakura not by narutos side all the time and shows up only less times to create tension.

Also i think you got that in the wrong ear, i dont think sakura is just an object, the role to be the love interest of the main character is a very important one.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What do you guys think??

He's wrong Sakura cant fill the role as someome that can build up Naruto's mind, because a lot of things, what sakura knows about hatred?
She did not lose anyone who's close to her (yet), she does not know what is have a life without parents being hated by everyone the first thing is no one on naruto's circle of friendship of people at his age knows how he feels and suffered.
She's a complete strange when it comes to Naruto and Sasuke.
She feels an empathy towards Naruto because of his suffering and she is always at his side because for some reason her "i cannot tolerate naruto's suffering" is bigger than "her love for sasuke".
The most close is Sai, but at least there's one who help naruto to build up his mind which was shikamaru who showed things about life like a wife and where the kids come from.

Sakura need a lot of build up to start at least talking with Naruto about serious things maybe if tsunade dies she can start doing it and kishi continue her development but it's not a failure, Naruto had to deal with people of the previous generation to know how not fail.
If we take an example Ino Shikamaru are the ones that can say i understand how Naruto and Sasuke feels.
Even on Pain's arc with a lot of people dying only Kakashi on sakura's circle died, her teacher which is not important as tsunade's role since her parents exist but at same time does not exist.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 December 2012 - 03:45 PM.

[Chatte]

Wow, that's pretty interesting. Guess the loud fans do have some impact after all. And I feel your pain of Sakura. I'm crying on the inside

They do, that's why I'm a little scared and always was. Because I've worked in the domain and I saw how it was...But hopefully Kishi won't fall under that ugly phase called "marketing purposes".

[kirabook]

Well tge difference is that hinta is not the heros love interest and not a main character, that means she is compared to sakura not by narutos side all the time and shows up only less times to create tension.

Also i think you got that in the wrong ear, i dont think sakura is just an object, the role to be the love interest of the main character is a very important one.

Just because Naruto is not interested in Hinata that way and she is not a main charater does not mean she isn't a romantic object. If anything, that means she's more of a object there just for the intention of romance.

I'm not saying Hinata is there for Naruto to love, I'm saying her existence currently consists of nothing other than her crush for Naruto, therefore, she is nothing but romance. Kishi also dropped anything he could have done with Hinata like standing up for herself and doing something to prove herself to her clan and instead just made her a romance object. Hinata is slightly more understandable because she is a side character.

Sakura is the main heroine, her role should never only be for romantic purposes.

[sushi.]

Who defeated pain?
NAruto is way more stronger than her she's not one of the powerfull.
She lose to an akatsuki member.

Even kakashi, Gai is stronger.

Not to mention, she lost to Kabuto
I thought she was really strong, pwning Naruto with one finger, and being Jiraiya's teammate, then she lost to Kabuto, and now she punches Madara. She's okay.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, killing off Sasuke before NS happen will be bad in my opinion. I mean that's basically eliminating one person in the love triangle literally due to his death. The problem is it will leave forever impression of "If Sasuke didn't die, Sakura would never choose Naruto." I know it's those what if stuff, but the one I mentioned will leave that to millions of readers forever. You can say "But what about what if Sasuke never left," but thing is that moment is not the end of love triangle (or so they say) because Sakura still has feelings for him. The resolution of the love triangle must be resolve in a proper fashion. That way nobody would ever say otherwise.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 14 December 2012 - 05:17 PM.

[PhenixElite]

You know, killing off Sasuke before NS happen will be bad in my opinion. I mean that's basically eliminating one person in the love triangle literally due to his death. The problem is it will leave forever impression of "If Sasuke didn't die, Sakura would never choose Naruto." I know it's those what if stuff, but the one I mentioned will leave that to millions of readers forever. You can say "But what about what if Sasuke never left," but thing is that moment is not the end of love triangle (or so they say) because Sakura still has feelings for him. The resolution of the love triangle must be resolve in a proper fashion. That way nobody would ever say otherwise.

I dont think NS has to be canon before sasuke dies. I think it just must be shown that sakura is sure about her feelings for naruto and that she would also choose him if sasuke would be alive.

In some way i realized that thats very sinilar to what you just said

[CloudMountainJuror]

Who defeated pain?
NAruto is way more stronger than her she's not one of the powerfull.
She lose to an akatsuki member.

Even kakashi, Gai is stronger.

I said "one of" the most powerful. She's definitely in the higher tier. She's a Sannin, for god's sake.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I dont think NS has to be canon before sasuke dies. I think it just must be shown that sakura is sure about her feelings for naruto and that she would also choose him if sasuke would be alive.

In some way i realized that thats very sinilar to what you just said

Not saying that's the way. I don't want to be it that way. Again, it will be a bad move. For those who saw Inuyasha, how did you take it? Don't go off-topic, connect it to NS, because yeah, here's hoping for the best possible solution.

[Chatte]

I agree NS should happen when Sasuke is still alive. Because otherwise, it will be in a bad light. The fandom is simple minded, trust me, I have seen it all around.
Look at the sole example... Hinata stepped up to Pain and even though it made him suffer much more, she was considered by the fandom the heroine just because Sakura did her role as a medic and didn't stepped up.
So if NS happens after Sasuke's death they will think that it did just because Sasuke was dead and there wasn't anyone who she could remain with.
That's how simple is in thinking, the fandom. They will basically ignore every development of NS. They are doing it now that Hinata expressed her feelings that she wants to hold Naruto's hand.

It will only be a bad light for NS even though we like it or not, even though we know that it wouldn't be because of that.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I said "one of" the most powerful. She's definitely in the higher tier. She's a Sannin, for god's sake.

i'm saying is she's not amongst of the powerful, if a do a list of the 10 strongest ninjas of all time she will not be on this, if a make a top 20 of ninja she will be not.
She's strong but it's not among the strongest.

Kunoichi are underpowered on Naruto's world.

Tell me one that fight the same style as sasuke,naruto,rock lee, and etc there's none.
I thought hinata could achieve this but looks like she is just "naruto-kun" all the time.

Womans are always "Long-range jutsus, or are medic ninja"
Only Tsunade that went on a close combat but failed hard against madara, she just went in too late after everyone was already exausted because of her rule of being always the last to fight.
Look at Sakura she's good at close range combat but since she's a medic ninja she cant fight. becuase of ( if the medic dies who will heal the team)

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 December 2012 - 06:08 PM.

[narulsaku]

Not saying that's the way. I don't want to be it that way. Again, it will be a bad move. For those who saw Inuyasha, how did you take it? Don't go off-topic, connect it to NS, because yeah, here's hoping for the best possible solution.

for them who see inuyasha. those who dont it wouldnt be unusuall. i think the best sollution is the saving scense. when naruto saved sakura from sasuke. this time with more injury. like sasuke is going to kill sakura. and suddenly naruto jumps like before. but got injured badly. and says i love you sakura. that can be a good moment for devlopments for both narusaku pairing and sakuras devlopment.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

for them who see inuyasha. those who dont it wouldnt be unusuall. i think the best sollution is the saving scense. when naruto saved sakura from sasuke. this time with more injury. like sasuke is going to kill sakura. and suddenly naruto jumps like before. but got injured badly. and says i love you sakura. that can be a good moment for devlopments for both narusaku pairing and sakuras devlopment.

Sounds like fanfic.
I think it's too early to portray the scene i'll wait 10-20 chapters.

[Chatte]

Yeah i realized that too and if yiu go to icha icha narusaku go check i made a thread discussing this go check it out.

Grr, I searched for that and I can't find it... WOuld you happen to have a direct link?
Thanks! ^^

LE: Nevermind, I found it

Edited by Chatte, 14 December 2012 - 06:41 PM.

[swagosaurus]

We all need to stop being such Negative Nancy's. >_>

Edited by swagosaurus, 14 December 2012 - 07:11 PM.

[Chatte]

Anyways guys... What do you think about this? A NH fan said to me that the Two Suns chapter (where Naruto says that his mom and dad are the two suns) parallels NaruHina since Hinata's name means place in the sun and they're going to became soo canon...
What do you guys think about that?

[PhenixElite]

Anyways guys... What do you think about this? A NH fan said to me that the Two Suns chapter (where Naruto says that his mom and dad are the two suns) parallels NaruHina since Hinata's name means place in the sun and they're going to became soo canon...
What do you guys think about that?

I dont even need to answer dat
Something like that can only come from a NH fan.

[Chatte]

I dont even need to answer dat
Something like that can only come from a NH fan.

Oh well, it might be a little something there, still, the two suns were Minato and Kushina... and well, we know who Kushina resembles, heh. ^^