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[Zatheko]

As an example because you said that sasuke being a bad person cannot be a reason for her to be paired with Naruto, just because you said it would be forced.

SO i made an example, if she didnt had feelings for naruto she would be single because sasuke is a bad person.
But since she has feelings for Naruto, the result will not be "sakura single" this will made her comes to terms with her feelings in other words, sasuke's bad behavior will force her to come with terms with her feelings and she will choose naruto because she acknowledge her feelings for him, leading to a conclusion of instead of being single she will be paired with Naruto.

In other words Sasuke being a bad person will be one of the reasons of why she will choose Naruto over Sasuke directly or indirectly.
It cannot be avoided.

I didn't say that I NEVER once said that, I said having sasuke DIE before she chose naruto would leave the impression on EVERYONE ELSE that she will only choose naruto because sasuke is gone, and people WILL think that way. If she chooses naruto BEFORE anything happens with sasuke then to other people it will SEEM that she really loves him understand?????

[Zatheko]

I have the feeling that she will recognize her feelings during the battle between naruto and sasuke, so that theres also the option that sasuke dies. I could imagine a scene like it was also maybe a bit forshadowed in the anime(not the manga), where naruto and sasuke both are hurt badly and sakura needs to make her decision who shes going to heal.
That would be a good scene to show her change.

This is how i see it happening to, as long as she realizes her feelings before sasukes death.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I have the feeling that she will recognize her feelings during the battle between naruto and sasuke, so that theres also the option that sasuke dies. I could imagine a scene like it was also maybe a bit forshadowed in the anime(not the manga), where naruto and sasuke both are hurt badly and sakura needs to make her decision who shes going to heal.
That would be a good scene to show her change.

But she will choose Naruto, because sasuke is the enemy.
It's different than she awakes one day and realize that she loves naruto, like zatheck pointed out, it will come from a consequence, a people make a choice based on previous facts, that lover-nin proved that she still loves sasuke but on a negative way, it does not make her smile like she did on part 1, she does not have that "i'm concerned about him' she knows that he's evil, and suffer because of it.
It will lead to a decision soon.
Just like i pointed out sasuke dying will not change it.

I didn't say that I NEVER once said that, I said having sasuke DIE before she chose naruto would leave the impression on EVERYONE ELSE that she will only choose naruto because sasuke is gone, and people WILL think that way. If she chooses naruto BEFORE anything happens with sasuke then to other people it will SEEM that she really loves him understand?????

People will say that she choose Naruto because Sasuke is evil it cannot be avoided haters will always find a reason to diminish her character.

I dont care on how it come, if kishimoto shows her as the happiest girl on the village of konoha it's because naruto achieved his dream that is making sakura happy, and paired with her of course.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 December 2012 - 12:48 PM.

[Chucky-kun]

It's not Sasuke being bad but moreso naruto being better

[PhenixElite]

But she will choose Naruto, because sasuke is the enemy.
It's different than she awakes one day and realize that she loves naruto, like zatheck pointed out, it will come from a consequence, a people make a choice based on previous facts, that lover-nin proved that she still loves sasuke but on a negative way, it does not make her smile like she did on part 1, she does not have that "i'm concerned about him' she knows that he's evil, and suffer because of it.
It will lead to a decision soon.
Just like i pointed out sasuke dying will not change it.

Yes normally it should be clear that she wouldnt heal the enemy. But in this anime episode(it was short after the summit) sakura questioned that if naruto and sasuke a hurt badly that shes not sure whom shes going to save first.
I know its not canon cause it was just a scene inserted by the anime team so i dont know.
But i would still like to see a scene like that.

[Zatheko]

But she will choose Naruto, because sasuke is the enemy.
It's different than she awakes one day and realize that she loves naruto, like zatheck pointed out, it will come from a consequence, a people make a choice based on previous facts, that lover-nin proved that she still loves sasuke but on a negative way, it does not make her smile like she did on part 1, she does not have that "i'm concerned about him' she knows that he's evil, and suffer because of it.
It will lead to a decision soon.
Just like i pointed out sasuke dying will not change it.


People will say that she choose Naruto because Sasuke is evil it cannot be avoided haters will always find a reason to diminish her character.

I dont care on how it come, if kishimoto shows her as the happiest girl on the village of konoha it's because naruto achieved his dream that is making sakura happy, and paired with her of course.

And to me that's fine because at least she is still picking naruto over sasuke. All I want is for it not to seem like naruto is second best in sakuras eyes that's all, and if he were to die that's exactly what I would feel.

[Zatheko]

It's not Sasuke being bad but moreso naruto being better

THIS^ yes this is exactly right!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And to me that's fine because at least she is still picking naruto over sasuke. All I want is for it not to seem like naruto is second best in sakuras eyes that's all, and if he were to die that's exactly what I would feel.

We agree on the matter i'll see that she choose naruto because she loves him but it would not change the view of haters and the other fandom they will claim that naruto was the second best and blablabla.
Nothing will change their views.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 December 2012 - 12:54 PM.

[Zatheko]

We agree on the matter i'll see that she choose naruto because she loves him but it would not change the view of haters and the other fandom they will claim that naruto was the second best and blablabla.
Nothing will change their views.

Yeah lol haters gonna hate

[kirabook]

Sorry to joining this debate but it is flaming, because of something specefic because the fact that people are ignoring those coments, some guy pointed out that kishi did the adversitizin of the RTN like it was his fault that the trailer showed something different from what he really did.
Like he was the chief or the master boss, kishi only was responsible for the script even the director of the movie was a different person.
He was just responsible for the story.
Second it's flaming because i'm already tired of saying that kishi is finishing the development of other characters( he even says this), while this did not include sakura yet you're all raging, the same way that back in 300s a lot of people cried that the manga should be renamed to Sasuke because he got an entire arc, we passed 4 months without any appearance from Naruto.

Let's look a hypothetical situation.

Some disagree that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. Is the one that says Sakura is still in love with Sasuke a hater/troll/flamer? They did nothing but state what we know. Sakura is currently in love with Sasuke, even though she realizes it is not good at all.

You vehemently disagree with that person and in the end, after much discussion it seems you can't change their mind to be your mind, so you then label that person a flamer for even considering something that is in fact true. For a majority of this situation, that is exactly what you're doing. You can't just accept the fact that some people are CRITICIZING Kishimoto about Sakura's development (Not the number of panels her face is drawn in), anyone who engages in the behavior is a flamer.

Your tired of it, so it must be flaming. Just ridiculous. I'm not talking about Sakura's current role in the war arc, I'm talking about her character as a whole and I believe others are too.

There has been enough flaming and trolling in the last few pages so my opinion in that matter didnt change.
Also i still dont see something that proofs that kishi neglected sakuras character in the story.
Just because shes not fighting and has no special power does not mean that she didnt get enough development, thats just bullsh**.

Kishi decided to show her character as one whos based on romance not just fighting.
She got a lot kf development through naruto in the story and is ment to overcome her old feelings for sasuke an realize her feelings for the main character. So i see no point in raging just because shes not shown often during an arc.
She had a lot to do in every other arc till now.

If you read my post AT ALL you would realize I wasn't discussing that she should have gotten some uber special power that made her an uber haxor that would kill enemies in one swoop. I mention the things Kishi mentioned himself in manga about Sakura's potential that was NEVER followed up on, continues to be up in the air, and seemingly completely ignored in favor of a whole arc about Sasuke and his angst.

I'm not talking about her role in this arc. I'm sure she'll get some screentime soon, but IN THE PAST, Kishi could have built up her character to be more than a co-fighter (By that, it seems Sakura is always complementing someone else in a battle, nothing wrong with that) healer. We wouldn't be wondering what she can do to Obito and Tobi other than punch them.

We would assume she'd use a strong genjutsu, since you know, she's supposed to be great at that. (Have you seen any sign of that? Not me) We would assume that maybe she could take Obito on by herself. (But what are we worried about? Her becoming a damsel in distress too easily)

At the beginning, Kishi laid out her character very nicely and didn't follow through. That is neglecting a character and showing extreme favoritism for others. I'm not talking about her being in a lot of panels, I'm talking about what we expect of her character. We can't seem to expect much other than her healing and mega strength. I care about Sakura more than just the development she's been given for her love life. Her character is just so barren of anything I would call a true heroine other than her screentime and connections to other characters. She IS the heroine because Kishi said so, so he should've treated her like one.

Edited by kirabook, 14 December 2012 - 01:35 PM.

[redragon88]

Yeah lol haters gonna hate

And that's the reality of life.

But as many of us have said before, Sakura should choose Naruto because of him alone. It shouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Sasuke is evil.

If Sakura gets together with Naruto as it is now it will leave the impression that she only chose him because Sasuke isn't the great guy she wanted him to be. That would establish Naruto as her silver medal and will forever leave the impression that if Sasuke had remained good then Naruto would've never had a chance with her.

It needs to be indicated that regardless of who Sasuke could've been, or could be, that she would truly love Naruto instead of him. Regardless is the magic word here.

I'll give a lame fanfictiony example:

Let's say the infinite tsukuyomi is activated, Sakura is then given her supposed perfect world. In that illusionary world Sasuke is her boyfriend and maybe Naruto is the Hokage, the point is that she got her wish: Team 7 together again and Sasuke loving her the way she always wanted. But in this world Naruto is not in love with her anymore (maybe even together with Hinata), and doesn't even use the suffix -chan with her name as before.

At the beginning she might feel oblivious but then feels something is off. She starts to slowly realize that even if this is what she always thought she wanted that in the end it just doesn't feel right. She starts remembering reality and how her relationship with Naruto truly is (how much he loves her). Thus, not wanting Naruto's feelings for her to disappear makes Sakura realize how much she truly loves him despite her feelings for Sasuke.

[PhenixElite]

Let's look a hypothetical situation.

Some disagree that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. Is the one that says Sakura is still in love with Sasuke a hater/troll/flamer? They did nothing but state what we know. Sakura is currently in love with Sasuke, even though she realizes it is not good at all.

You vehemently disagree with that person and in the end, after much discussion it seems you can't change their mind to be your mind, so you then label that person a flamer for even considering something that is in fact true. For a majority of this situation, that is exactly what you're doing. You can't just accept the fact that some people are CRITICIZING Kishimoto about Sakura's development (Not the number of panels her face is drawn in), anyone who engages in the behavior is a flamer.

Your tired of it, so it must be flaming. Just ridiculous. I'm not talking about Sakura's current role in the war arc, I'm talking about her character as a whole and I believe others are too.



If you read my post AT ALL you would realize I wasn't discussing that she should have gotten some uber special power that made her an uber haxor that would kill enemies in one swoop. I mention the things Kishi mentioned himself in manga about Sakura's potential that was NEVER followed up on, continues to be up in the air, and seemingly completely ignored in favor of a whole arc about Sasuke and his angst.

I'm not talking about her role in this arc. I'm sure she'll get some screentime soon, but IN THE PAST, Kishi could have built up her character to be more than a co-fighter (By that, it seems Sakura is always complementing someone else in a battle, nothing wrong with that) healer. We wouldn't be wondering what she can do to Obito and Tobi other than punch them.

We would assume she'd use a strong genjutsu, since you know, she's supposed to be great at that. (Have you seen any sign of that? Not me) We would assume that maybe she could take Obito on by herself. (But what are we worried about? Her becoming a damsel in distress too easily)

At the beginning, Kishi laid out her character very nicely and didn't follow through. That is neglecting a character and showing extreme favoritism for others. I'm not talking about her being in a lot of panels, I'm talking about what we expect of her character. We can't seem to expect much other than her healing and mega strength. I care about Sakura more than just the development she's been given for her love life. Her character is just so barren of anything I would call a true heroine other than her screentime and connections to other characters. She IS the heroine because Kishi said so, so he should've treated her like one.

Thats just the difference between us. You want to see her whole potential, maybe want to see her fight sometimes and learning new skill or something like that.
I dont care about something like that on her character, i like it exactly the way it is, she is the romance in this story and i like that.
Its also fact that i dont prefer woman fighting in action storys. I prefer to see the men fighting to protect the girls.

So also, just because kishi decided to not show sakura learning some new skills, or often showed her fighting, then just healing others doesnt mean that shes not the main character anymore, or that he started to dislike her character.
Some people just want to see her in action since shes one of their favourite characters, but i like to take a look at the whole manga and story, to find out whats the whole development and message of the story, not just a single character.

@redragon: Would love to see that in the manga.
@Dαrkrєrsŧ: Agreed!

Edited by PhenixElite, 14 December 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Let's look a hypothetical situation.

Some disagree that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. Is the one that says Sakura is still in love with Sasuke a hater/troll/flamer? They did nothing but state what we know. Sakura is currently in love with Sasuke, even though she realizes it is not good at all.

You vehemently disagree with that person and in the end, after much discussion it seems you can't change their mind to be your mind, so you then label that person a flamer for even considering something that is in fact true. For a majority of this situation, that is exactly what you're doing. You can't just accept the fact that some people are CRITICIZING Kishimoto about Sakura's development (Not the number of panels her face is drawn in), anyone who engages in the behavior is a flamer.

Your tired of it, so it must be flaming. Just ridiculous. I'm not talking about Sakura's current role in the war arc, I'm talking about her character as a whole and I believe others are too.

No, the person disagree but does not post why she does not agree with you say that she has feelings for naruto and then when you wait for a response of why he things that sakura s still in love to sasuke and that person simple forget and start another debate based on another stuff.
Resuming.
If i say that naruto loves ino, you will ask to me what this is based off, then i simly forget what you said and start with another claim.
In other words the person does not care about your point of view because she thinks she's right and everyone is herd for no believing in it but the worse thing is where are the proofs in which this is being based?
This is flaming.


I can say Ns will be canon and shows my arguments and what this is based is different than i telling you that NS is canon because i re-read the manga, and the main argument is i dont care about your point of view.

2-> saying that kishi is poor writing simply because the story is not following the course that i desired.
3-> saying that sakura is not the main heroined of the story simply because the recent chapters kishi decided to finish the development of the other characters to finish everything and focus on naruto sasuke and sakura.

Yep this is flaming.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 December 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[kirabook]

Thats just the difference between us. You want to see her whole potential, maybe want to see her fight sometimes and learning new skill or something like that.
I dont care about something like that on her character, i like it exactly the way it is, she is the romance in this story and i like that.
Its also fact that i dont prefer woman fighting in action storys. I prefer to see the men fighting to protect the girls.

So also, just because kishi decided to not show sakura learning some new skills, or often showed her fighting, then just healing others doesnt mean that shes not the main character anymore, or that he started to dislike her character.
Some people just want to see her in action since shes one of their favourite characters, but i like to take a look at the whole manga and story, to find out whats the whole development and message of the story, not just a single character.

@redragon: Would love to see that in the manga.
@Dαrkrєrsŧ: Agreed!

Huge difference I guess, seeing Sakura only as a romance option rather than a ninja that can hold her own like any guy could. :/

[PhenixElite]

Huge difference I guess, seeing Sakura only as a romance option rather than a ninja that can hold her own like any guy could. :/

Yeah views are different. I personally just dont know a reason why he should show her to be something more than that but thats just me.
I mean most of the lovestories are like this. The girls in there are also only there for romance.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Huge difference I guess, seeing Sakura only as a romance option rather than a ninja that can hold her own like any guy could. :/

tell me one single kunoich that does not depend on the others, simply tell me.
Tell me one kunoich badass that can be among the strongest shinobi of the world.
All the kunoichi were support ones always behind a man and a strong guy, naruto's mother, hashirama's husband, tsunade behind jyraia and orochimaru, mizukage just look at how she fights with long range jutsus, she's not good at taijutsu either, the answer is no.
I do not expect to Sakura to do a role of a man, she only fights when there's no one to fight like sasori it was only she and chyoo, until we have naruto,bee and a lot of people in condition to fight she will continue with her support role is her job.

If you play moba you will understand what i'm saying.

[kirabook]

tell me one single kunoich that does not depend on the others, simply tell me.
Tell me one kunoich badass that can be among the strongest shinobi of the world.
All the kunoichi were support ones always behind a man and a strong guy, naruto's mother, hashirama's husband, tsunade behind jyraia and orochimaru, mizukage just look at how she fights with long range jutsus, she's not good at taijutsu either, the answer is no.
I do not expect to Sakura to do a role of a man, she only fights when there's no one to fight like sasori it was only she and chyoo, until we have naruto,bee and a lot of people in condition to fight she will continue with her support role is her job.

If you play moba you will understand what i'm saying.

I'm not saying this just for Sakura. I mentioned before, all of Kishi's female characters seem to be lacking. None of them appear to have nearly as much development as the boys. I'm not picking on Sakura in particular, I'm picking on how Kishi decided to go about women in his manga and I think he could have done a better job. There's so much he could have done in the time span of writing Sasuke's angst arc with other characters, especially Sakura. He neglects them, as I've been saying. It's even worse for Sakura because she's the main heroine.

I want girls to be more than just romantic objects. Hinata is the ultimate romantic object, being nothing more than a girl that has a crush on Naruto. Kishi has made that her character. Overtime, Sakura's lack of development that isn't romance is putting her in that position too. She's much better off because she has been involved in some things other than romance, but we need more of it.

Which is why I criticize Kishi about his writing, particularly relating to Sakura and the role of the other female characters in general.

[PhenixElite]

I'm not saying this just for Sakura. I mentioned before, all of Kishi's female characters seem to be lacking. None of them appear to have nearly as much development as the boys. I'm not picking on Sakura in particular, I'm picking on how Kishi decided to go about women in his manga and I think he could have done a better job. There's so much he could have done in the time span of writing Sasuke's angst arc with other characters, especially Sakura. He neglects them, as I've been saying. It's even worse for Sakura because she's the main heroine.

I want girls to be more than just romantic objects. Hinata is the ultimate romantic object, being nothing more than a girl that has a crush on Naruto. Kishi has made that her character. Overtime, Sakura's lack of development that isn't romance is putting her in that position too. She's much better off because she has been involved in some things other than romance, but we need more of it.

Which is why I criticize Kishi about his writing, particularly relating to Sakura and the role of the other female characters in general.

Hinata is not there for romance, shes there for tension.

[CloudMountainJuror]

tell me one single kunoich that does not depend on the others, simply tell me.
Tell me one kunoich badass that can be among the strongest shinobi of the world.

Tsunade can very well be counted, here. She was one of the most powerful ninjas in the world, you can't deny that.

[kirabook]

Hinata is not there for romance, shes there for tension.

She's there for the sole purpose of being the one that has a crush on Naruto, causing romantic tension. Again, her character is nothing but romance.

Tsunade is definitely someone I consider to be a good female character. It seems like she didn't even follow her own advice *Seriously what was the point of telling Sakura that healers should stay back? I mean, I can understand the purpose, but still*

She had some romance in her past, but it was rarely brought to light in opinion. Every other scene she was in did not relate to her romance with Dan or Jiraiya. I want Sakura to be strong like that, not just in fighting skills, but her actual characterization, stronger even.

Edited by kirabook, 14 December 2012 - 03:21 PM.